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Old 11-07-2009, 05:36 AM
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It's not patented, but it is his move. The other ones were all a result of the Monday Night Wars, with WWE and WCW trying to one up each other. The bottom line is, you don't steal someone else's finisher while they're using it regularly. The Styles Clash is his move. Once he retires, feel free to use it.
So it isn't perfectly OK for Lacey von Erich to use the Chokeslam as a finisher, since 'Taker and Kane aren't retired? It wasn't OK for Cena to use the F-U before Brock retired?

McCool isn't that bad in the arena, mic skills could use some work, but overall she's pretty good.
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Old 11-07-2009, 06:05 AM
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Actually, no, there is another way to look at it. She is a good heel champion on Smackdown, and got the title.


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If by possible, you mean she performed the Sausage Disappearing Act for her talent portion, then yes, by all means, she earned her spot. She certainly wasn't impressing anyone with her in-ring skills. Not many Divas now started as wrestlers anyway. A lot started as pieces of meat for us to lick our chops over from week to week. Eve, Layla, Kelly, Bellas, Alicia...I can go on.
And if any of those girls you listed were dating a veteran superstar, you would be up in arms about it as well. If it were Jillian dating HBK, right before winning the title, people would say it's because of that. But no, it's just because it the title off of Mickie James. Rational reasoning prevailed. It's ludicrous to say she wouldn't have a job if she weren't dating Taker, as she is FAR better than a lot of divas on the roster currently.


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She's not really that entertaining. If anything she's an injury risk to herself, and eventually, to other people. They've fired guys over repeated injuries, why not women? Oh, I forgot, because she's keeping 'Taker happy during his "vacations".
Just like Batista is an injury risk. They've fired guys over repeated injuries, why not women large men?

The bottom line is that while she is not the greatest, she is passable. Divas only make up a small part of the show, and take even less spotlight now that there are two champions. Her being bad on the mic does not justify her being released. I think everyones just jealous they can't get in the Phenom's pants.


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It's not patented, but it is his move. The other ones were all a result of the Monday Night Wars, with WWE and WCW trying to one up each other. The bottom line is, you don't steal someone else's finisher while they're using it regularly. The Styles Clash is his move. Once he retires, feel free to use it.
I'm sorry, what does it matter if it was during the monday night wars or not? People still stole moves. And gimmicks. Get over it. It's wrestling. I don't understand whats so offensive about it. Or are all the AJ Styles fans going to stop going to see his shows if another wrestler in another company in another division has his move?
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Old 11-07-2009, 06:23 AM
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1) Beth Phoenix is the best performer on the WWE's women's roster. Bar none. Period. I find her incredibly entertaining both in the ring and on the microphone. I hope WWE gets past its ridiculous need to have a Playboy Bunny as champ and put the belt back on a real competitor. That said, McCool is still light-years ahead of Alicia Fox, who's not being boned by anyone (that we know of) yet is still getting a massive push.

2) Seeing people bitching and moaning about McCool using the Styles Clash amuses me. In pro wrestling, people have used the same finishers throughout history. While "The Nature Boy" had the figure-four, many others also utilized it. The piledriver was Jerry Lawler's finisher, but it was also a fairly common move used by many. Jake Roberts created the DDT, but nobody bitched about it when the IWC's precious Raven stole it. Or the million other people who've used the DDT. Every fat wrestler...ever...has used the splash, but I don't hear people complaining that they're infringing on a copy right.

It's a wrestling hold. They're pretty much fair game. Only wrestlers in the same organization might want to refrain from using the same holds. Last I checked, she was not only in a different federation but a different gender division. I think AJ's career will survive.
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Old 11-07-2009, 10:34 AM
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You know, I've always thought she was bad, but in recent weeks the vast improvement shown by everyone else makes her look so much worse. She's not attrocious in the ring, but she certainly isn't very good, and in mic skills and acting, she's amongst the worst. I'm not sure she'd be out of a job if it wasn't for the fact she's Undertaken from behind every night, but she certainly wouldn't be the focus of a Smackdown's women's division which isn't really that bad.
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Old 11-07-2009, 10:40 AM
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Personally, I don't like McCool at all. She is just an annoying, skinny blonde that really brings nothing extraordinary to the table. She may be decent in the ring, but isn't any better than most Diva's in the WWE. Her mic work is obviously bad as well and she really hasn't been that good of a champ. What has she done for the women's division on SD? Nothing at all. Hopefully Beth will get the belt soon enough.

However, I don't think you can simply say that she's the champ because of Taker. Sure, that may have something to do with it, but it's not like she's that bad, Taker just gave her the push she needed to get to the top. Really, it's nothing new, I'm sure this happens in all kinds of different businesses.
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Old 11-07-2009, 12:40 PM
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McCool is good in the ring and all, but her mic skills suck and she's boring to watch during her promos. The sooner she loses the belt, the better. Then she can try to improver her mic skills.
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Old 11-07-2009, 01:03 PM
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It's not patented, but it is his move. The other ones were all a result of the Monday Night Wars, with WWE and WCW trying to one up each other. The bottom line is, you don't steal someone else's finisher while they're using it regularly. The Styles Clash is his move. Once he retires, feel free to use it.
So, the monday night wars were going on during the 80's? Because, I am pretty sure Sting was using that move back then. The book end was developed during Booker''s feud with The Rock on WWE programming.

Seriously, if this is your best argument for McCool's sucking, then you lose.

She is one of the most athletic girls on the roster. Her matches are better than onyone else's. She tells the heel story very well in the ring. She draws better heat than most of the men. What more do you want from her?

I don't think she is that bad on the mic either. Her persona is one of arrogance. She doesn't add much tone to her voice because nothing excites her character except herself. Whether intentional or not, it fits her character.

I think a lot of you are just jealous because Taker is fuckiner her and not you.
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Old 11-07-2009, 02:44 PM
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Michelle sucks on the mic. She has the voice of an 80 year old smoker, but that doesn't change the fact she is solid in the ring and has a solid character. She rarely has a bad match, rarely botches(same can't be said about Melina, Mickie, Maryse), and this year was probably involved in the best divas match of the year(Melina/Michelle NOC).

I honestly don't know how people can bash Michelle's in ring skills, and than praise Maryse. Maryse is hot, has amazing charsima, and is beyond fierce, but in the ring she's a clutz and very sloppy.

It's not like McCool is a Maria or The Bellas in terms of in ring performance. She's one of the top tiered divas in the ring, she just has the charisma of a paper bag. In the end McCool was getting pushed long before her and Take started going out(once Ashley left for Raw, McCool became top face, and this was before the McTaker relationship), and even after the diva search she got a immidiate role as a valet, and even when her tag team were disbanded and fired, she still got to stick around.

And how is Michelle anymore of an "injury risk" than WZ faves Melina & Maryse. Both have had numerous injuries too, and lately have been a botchy mess(well Maryse has always been but,,,).
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So, the monday night wars were going on during the 80's? Because, I am pretty sure Sting was using that move back then. The book end was developed during Booker''s feud with The Rock on WWE programming.
Yes, I believe Sting started using the Scorpion Deathlock during the late '80s feud with Ric Flair. It was more or less his answer to the Figure-Four Leglock. Before adding that to his arsenal, he just had the Stinger Splash and the Press Slam. Adding a submission hold really pushed him to another level.

As for The Book End, that came before Booker's feud with The Rock. I think he started using it toward the end of WCW, when he became the World Champ. I know for a fact he used it in the match where he beat Jeff Jarrett for his first WCW World title. I can still hear Tony Schiavone over-selling it when Booker landed it on Jarrett to pick up the win and his first Word championship. Ugh!

Whereas about 4 posts ago, I shrugged off McCool using the Styles Clash, I remember my response to "The Bookend." It helped make Booker T seem like a blatant knock-off of The Rock. WCW wanted so badly to have a character like that, and since Booker was the only prominent African-American on the WCW roster, I felt like they moved him along to fill that role. It made me sad, because Booker IS capable. He just didn't get the kind of build-up to becoming World Champ that would have made him seem more credible.

In my mind, that credibility didn't REALLY come until five years into his WWE tenure, when he won King of the Ring and went on to become champ there. THEN he finally felt like he'd gotten the proper treatment to be champ.

Anyway, in defense of McCool using the Styles Clash, obviously WWE isn't trying to turn her into a clone of AJ. She's just using a wrestling hold as a finisher, and that's perfectly fine by me.

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When McCool opens her mouth it makes me want to kick little babies and puppies. Ok, maybe I’m exaggerating but she is pretty terrible on the mic. I can’t stand listening to her speak. But that’s the only thing that bothers me about her aside from pretending she didn’t know AJ Styles uses the Styles Clash as his finisher. She isn’t all that bad in the ring and is a solid heel.

Anyways, I don’t think she should thank Undertaker for her still being employed. Like X said, she’d probably still be employed even if she wasn’t ‘Taker’s girlfriend. Now, what she should probably thank him for is her getting pushed. For some reason, I doubt Michelle would get pushed if she wasn’t dating Undertaker.
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