Semi-Final - The Hart Foundation vs. Edge and Christian

[Mighty NorCal]

This, would be a LOT closer than people will think. People will look and say "Hart Foundation" without thinking of it, but honestly, this is closer to even in so many aspects. Honestly, E&C are EXACTLY the kind of cunning cheaters the Hart Foundation seemed to always loose to. You say the Harts did more for tag wrestling, but really, did they? Comparable in tag title accomplishments (I say that, knowing how different the scene was either time, and the hot potato mentality..but still they won the tag belts a fuck ton of times) and revolutionized the game, as far as gimmicks go. Since I take more than Kayfabe fantasy land matches into account, for now, ill be taking The Harts, but a fucking cunt hair.

I probably wont be able to vote anyhow, but still. Feel free to sway me.

[alex-awesome]

Edge and Christian for me simply because I still haven't watched a Hart Foundation match yet, also Edge and Christian have taken on bigger guys than themselves and beat them so that takes Neidhart out, without the power advantage Hart is essentially by himself, hee's good but not that good

[NightShiftLoser]

I'm voting for the Harts...They're simply too good, and have done too much to lose here. E&C were great, but I don't see how either of them can beat either of their opponents. Just try and spear Neidhart. Go for it. I want to see him swat you aside and break your leg for Bret to lock on the Sharpshooter.

It'll be a close match, but the Harts win it by a nose...

[jmt225]

Bret Hart is one of my all time favorite wrestlers, and as a singles competitor... I honestly don't believe there was ever a wrestler better than him. However, his tag run with Jim Neidhart was hardly anything special. Those two had a couple of great matches against The British Bulldogs, but outside of that... they did nothing worth noting. Their feud/matches with Demolition were okay, but nothing special, and everything else they did was mediocre at best.

Edge and Christian, on the other hand, had one of the greatest tag runs in wrestling history, as far as I'm concerned. They held as many championships, and were apart of as many 'classic' matches, as ANY tag team in the history of professional wrestling. That is simply a fact. Moreover, you could also claim they were innovators, both in the ring with their creativity and unbelievable excitement, AND on the mic with their comedy.

As far as kayfabe is concerned... seriously, what could the Hart Foundation do to Edge and Christian to keep them down for the 3 count? Bret Hart didn't use the Sharpshooter while in the Hart Foundation, so that move is irrelevant. Really... the Hart Foundation lived and died off the Hart Attack, which was really nothing more than a lariat takedown from Bret. That would never finish Edge or Christian. Never. However, both E&C have plenty of shit in their arsenal that could finish off Jim Neidhart, and they would do just that.

E&C wins here anyway you look at it. Vote for them.

[Theo Mays]

Holy match of greatness Batman! Two of my all time favorite tag teams squaring off in the Semi-Finals of this bad boy. I really don't know who to vote for. On one hand there is my all time favorite wrestler in Bret Hart and on the other hand there are two of my favorite superstars in modern wrestling. This match is really close and I have no idea who I'm going to grace my vote with. Right now leaning towards the Hart Foundation, but that could be easily changed.

[Tenta]

I'm picking the awesomeness that is Edge and Christian,Sure, Bret Hart is fantastic, and Jim Neidhart was steady, but Edge and Christian are simply too fast, and too good for the likes of a Bret Hart that wasn't even a fraction of the star he'd become, and a Jim Neidhart that really wasn't all that fantastic. Those of you expecting to find Bret Hart of the mid 90s, I'm sad to say that isn't the case here. Sure, Bret was still technically sound, but he lacked the charisma and polish we'd see in later forms of Bret.

E&C won more tag titles in a division that was far and away better than what The Harts wrestled. This is exactly what they do... Manipulate a match that otherwise looks very difficult for them (and don't get it twisted folks, this is going to be a difficult match), cheating the faces out of the match, and running to the dressing room to bask in their awesomeness. While The Hart Foundation was a solid team, Edge and Christian were legitimate draws for a main event, just as a tag team. The matches they took part in are better than anything the Foundation's done. Tell me one defining moment about The Hart Foundation's reigns. All of the ladder matches that E&C have been a part of trump anything the Hart Foundation has done in theie run as a tag team.

I'm going to sway my vote for The British Bulldogs, so Stampede Wrestling won't get shut out of these finals. Still, It's Edge and Christian moving on here.

[Little Jerry Lawler]

To address JMT's point on how can Edge and Chrisitan possibly be put down for a three-count? They have won the titles X amount times so they have lost the titles X-1 amount of times and I'm damn sure that most of those losses were by pinfall. If Edge and Christian can't be put down by your logic, then they would have been champions from the first time they've won it until 2005 when Christian left the company. Lesser teams have pinned Edge and Christian so I don't see why Hart and Neidhart can't. All you can remember about them is whenever they won a title and they lost them so quickly you barely rememeber any one of their reigns. I know I don't.

To address Tenta's point...
Sure their ladder matches have been memorable and all that but that's exactly what they were: ladder matches. I don't see how excelling at something that doesn't even factor into this match is going to give them the edge over the Hart Foundation. The Attitude Era was full of gimmicks and Edge and Christian faced mainly gimmick teams (not really counting the Dudleys) in gimmick matches. What's some of Edge and Christian's defining moments during their title reigns and I'm not talking about when they won them but between when they won them and when they lost them which was plenty of times.

Mostly the arguments I'm seeing for Edge and Christian are facts that are totally irrevelant to this particular contest (gimmick matches) or illogical statements (Edge and Christian can't be possibly put down for a three count).

[xfearbefore]

Originally Posted by Little Jerry Lawler

To address JMT's point on how can Edge and Chrisitan possibly be put down for a three-count? They have won the titles X amount times so they have lost the titles X-1 amount of times and I'm damn sure that most of those losses were by pinfall.

Incorrect.

They lost their first tag titles to Too Cool after interference by Kid Rock's midget buddy Joe C. who hit Edge with a damn hockey stick, they lost their second tag titles to the Hardys in a cage match (Hardys climbed out of the cage), they lost their next tag titles by Mick Foley stripping them of the titles for dressing up as Los Conquistadores, their next tag title reign ended from pinfall when they were defeated by The Rock and The Undertaker (hardly a bad loss), wow this is getting tiring, so I'll just tell you how many pin losses they had with their tag titles. 3, and those are losses to The Rock/Undertaker, Kane/Undertaker, and The Dudley Boyz once.

That's a grand total of 3 times they were pinned for the tag titles in a fair match. Every other time was in a gimmick match or from outside interference or both. So your statement that "most of their losses were by pinfall" is incorrect.

There's no reason E/C couldn't defeat the Hart Foundation.

[Tenta]

Originally Posted by Little Jerry Lawler

To address Tenta's point...

Hi, LJL. Been a while, hasn't it?

Originally Posted by Little Jerry Lawler

Sure their ladder matches have been memorable and all that but that's exactly what they were: ladder matches.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but a win is still a win, no matter how it's done, right? Sure, you can argue that ladder matches have no effect here, but, like in any other contest, the better team is going to win the match, regardless of the rules involved with it. Edge and Christian have beaten both The Hardys and The Dudleys plenty of times without ladders, my boy.

Originally Posted by Little Jerry Lawler

I don't see how excelling at something that doesn't even factor into this match is going to give them the edge over the Hart Foundation. The Attitude Era was full of gimmicks and Edge and Christian faced mainly gimmick teams (not really counting the Dudleys) in gimmick matches.

You do realize matches happened in the Attitude Era outside of ladder matches, right? Edge and Christian have fought plenty of matches without tables, ladders, and chairs. As a matter if fact, Edge and Christian only won one of their Tag Team Championships via ladder match. All of the rest have usually come in regular tag team, triple threat tag, and fatal four tag team matches.

How about this, LJL... Let's put it this way. Edge and Christian beat The Rock and The Undertaker. Let's just say that once, we were going to put The Hart Foundation up against Hulk Hogan and The Ultimate Warrior. Not even on the flukiest of flukes would The Harts pull off that win. Simply put, not only did Edge and Christian beat the tag teams in their divisions, they'd usually beat main event wrestlers put into teams. I'm certain at another point they beat the Brothers of Destruction. The point being, while the Hart Foundation were a great team, Edge and Christian were a superstar team, capable of carrying a main event, and no one even flinching at the idea. I can't say the same for The Hart Foundation.

Originally Posted by Little Jerry Lawler

What's some of Edge and Christian's defining moments during their title reigns and I'm not talking about when they won them but between when they won them and when they lost them which was plenty of times.

How about the spear off the ladder at Wrestlemania 17? That perfectly defines Edge and Christian... Opportunistic, and always able to wind up one step ahead of the opponent, in the long run.

Originally Posted by Little Jerry Lawler

Mostly the arguments I'm seeing for Edge and Christian are facts that are totally irrevelant to this particular contest (gimmick matches) or illogical statements (Edge and Christian can't be possibly put down for a three count).

I'm not saying Edge and Christian couldn't be put down for a three count. I just don't think it's going to happen here. No frickin way.

[Esteban Ochocinco]

On the flipside, how many Tag Team Championships did the Edge and christian Connection win via pinfall? I mean, pinfall is something you have to do in this wrestling match as I don't happen to see a ladder or cage match stipulation anywhere. Most of their title wins either came from winning confusing fatal 4 way matches, Ladder matches, matches dressed as other wrestlers, or matches where Kurt Angle was the special referee, lucky for the Harts, none of that is going on in this match.

Edge and christian were a great gimmick match tag team, but other then that, incredibly mediocre if not poor in regualr wrestling matches. The Hart Foundation win this match because this match is basic wrestilng, the type where you either make your opponents submit or you pin them, something neither of which Edge or Christian could do to the Harts.