[Official] Team Canada Discussion Thread

[Coco The Monkey]

Originally Posted by The Todd

So after reading the match ups, Team Canada picks itself.

Ironman match? Bret Hart. Yes, he lost the one he appeared in, and it wasn't a spectacular match, but there is no one better suited to the concept than him in the tournament.

Falls count anywhere? Edge. One of the finest gimmick wrestlers in history. He's been in just about every one, and his sick and twisted mind will not hold back. He will do whatever it takes.

I support both of these picks. Edge has won Last Man Standing matches, hardcore matches, ladder matches, TLC matches, and cage matches against some of the baddest in the game and going long won't be an issue for Hart. My support goes to both picks.

Submission? Chris Benoit. One of, if not the, most ferocious looking submission finishers of all time. HHH even tapped out to it at WrestleMania.The man beat Kurt Angle in an ultimate submission match. He fits the bill perfectly.

Not only that, but he's made motherfucking Kane and Brock Lesnar submit. Benoit is a machine. Fuck, he may choose to drop someone on their head Sabu style before locking on the crossface. This is a great pick.

Ladder? Chris Jericho. He created the MitB match. He has beaten Shawn Michaels in a ladder match.He beat Chris Benoit in a fantastic ladder match in 2001. It's Chris Jericho's playground, the ladder match.

He's also won a TLC match and has beaten Christain in a ladder match. Another stellar pick from The Todd.

As for our myster fifth member, I say we pick Christian. The man is as popular as anyone in the IWC these days, and that could really be a help to us. But I am open to suggestions.

[wewanttables]

McClure, the description of the falls count anywhere says its ", it's anything goes for anyone" so I hope it means its a hardcore match. I thought it was so I recomended Foley for the US team. For team Canada I would recomend:

Iron Man: Bret Hart because it is hard to think of the Iron Man match and not think of him.

Submission: Killer Kowalkski is a proven winner an used with success the Kowalski Claw.

Falls Count anywhere: Abdullah the Butcher is a hardcore legend.

Ladder Match: Edge has been in TLC 1 and 2 and has won MITB, so what else can this guy do on a ladder.

The 5th member is the hardest because the Royal Rumble style match but Chris Beniot was a winner in 2004. That would give Canada two former Royal Rumble winners.

[Tenta]

Look, while everyone's permutations of teams they've assembled is great, I can't help but notice something. True, this team is laden with great technicians, and very athletic men. All that means, however, is that once it comes time for team events, such as the Battle Royal and Survivor Series, these small men will eventually be worn down, and eventually dismantled. Sure, Bret Hart and Chris Benoit have durability out the wazoo. But I don't particularly view either Lance Storm or Chris Jericho, two oft mentioned wrestlers, as particularly durable, nor do I think they're able to take that much of a beating. Edge? Please. The fact of the matter is a large gust of wind can take him out.

No, this team is missing beef... A lot of beef. This team misses a guy who specializes in brutalizing others, and dealing out great amounts of punishment, and a guy who specializes in both surviving and Royal Rumbles. And what better man to represent any of these lots than this guy...



Yes, you may not realize it, but did you know that the guy has a giood habit to stay in Rumbles for very long periods of time? in 1991, the guy stayed in for 28:54 Seconds, only last being elimninated by Hulk Hogan. In that process, he wound up eliminating five guys by his own. The guy also has a habit of taking many men to get off the ground. In his three appearences in Royal Rumbles, the big was eliminated by:

1990: Smash, Jimmy Snuka, Ted DiBiase, Haku, and Jim Neidhart. It took five guys, which at the time was unheard of, just to get the guy out. Not even The Great Andre The Giant received such treatment, only being dumped out by Ax and Smash. No way Team Canada will allow that many men to gang up on one of their own, and even if they do, they'd all better be power lifters if they hope to get The Quake up.

1991: Eliminated by Hulk Hogan. No shame to being beat by The Hulkster.

1993: Eliminated by Yokozuna. Again, no shame in this at all.

Look, say what you will, but in Battle Royal matches, Earthquake has a habit of plainly fucking shit up. He throws out men in droves, and tends to wreak general havoc on the match. I don't know about you, but that's the kind of guy I want, especially considering that all of the other men representing Team Canada are prone to elimination at a moment's notice.

As for Surivior Series matches? Here's The Quake's record:

1989: Sole Survivor on a team including Randy Savage, Dino Bravo, and Greg Valentine. Eliminates Hercules

1990: Second to last member eliminated from The Natural Disasters, A team he captained, on account of a double count out, caused by that lumbering oaf Tugboat. Eliminates the Bossman

1991: Eliminated after escorting his partner, that damn Tugboat again, to the back after he got hit with a metal briefcase. Again, Earthquake is cost a match by that fucking Tugboat.

1992: Never eliminated from the match, and wound up eliminating some guy. (Beverly Brother?)

So what should you gather here? Simply enough, the guy never gets eliminated by himself. He's never actually been eliminated from a Survivor Series Match, and merely suffers the sins of an Oafish partner (Cough.... Fed Ottman). Plus, the guy is statitically always good to at least eliminate one wrestler from the opposing side's team. Usually, this occurs at an earlier part of the match, which would clearly put Team Canada in a great position to win the match.

Look, you can choose to saturate your team with technicians, and that's great. But what happens when you run into legitimate siz in the tournament. Think the Undertaker's going to fall for Lance Storm's Sinlge Leg Crab? Hell to the no! The fact is adding in too many technicians puts your team at a distinct disadvantage. This team is in dire need of reinforcements from the strength department. And who better to represent that strength than a guy who, at his debut, was actually named The Canadian Earthquake. The guy can take a pounding, still stay around for an impressive amount of time, and deal out plenty of punishment to place his Canadian Cohorts in a clear position to win.

The choice is simple, ladies and gentlemen.... The Canadian Earthquake for your fifth member of Team Canada.

[xfearbefore]

I like me some John Tenta just as much as the next guy does Tentzilla, but considering the insanely high quality of wrestlers coming out of Canada, there are simply far better candidates to go with. I mean you've got Bret Hart, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Owen Hart, Roddy Piper, Edge/Christian, and many others.

I don't really care about the last few members of this team, so long as Bret Hart, Benoit, and Jericho are all locks on this team, because all three deserve to be, easily.

[Tenta]

Originally Posted by xfearbefore

I like me some John Tenta just as much as the next guy does Tentzilla, but considering the insanely high quality of wrestlers coming out of Canada, there are simply far better candidates to go with.

Again, at some point, you can only have so many great wrestlers, X. You're going to need a brawler, somebody that's able to give a diverse feel to this team. Otherwise, when you face wrestlers that have impactful manuevers (Hogan, Taker, etc.) something's going to have to give. I love me some technical wrestling as much as the next guy, but at some point, you have to call for the big guns. And Canada's biggest gun seems to be The Quake, especially in both Rumbles and Survivor Series.

I mean you've got Bret Hart

Agreed, he's my captain.

Chris Benoit

Submission match

Chris Jericho

Ladders

Owen Hart

I won't lie.... I can't see putting Owen in here. for as great a worker as he is, I find him less an asset to the team, compared to the Quake. Besides, Owen and Bret just don't mesh well tagging up, especially in the Survivor Series.

Roddy Piper

See, I'm not sure where Roddy's going to qualify. Yes, he's Canadian, but I'm not sold that he wouldn't be a member of a Scots team.

Edge/Christian

Why Christian? I mean, Edge I surely get, but do you really find Christian to be a better asset to the the team than Earthquake.

As for Edge... Simply enough, if you have Chris Jericho for your ladder match, why do you need Edge? Maybe for a Hardcore match, a la Falls Count Anywhere, but I don't see why we need two ladder specialists on the team.

and many others.

I've heard people say names like Test and Vampiro. Woo.

I don't really care about the last few members of this team, so long as Bret Hart, Benoit, and Jericho are all locks on this team, because all three deserve to be, easily.

Oh, I don't think you're going to get much debate when it comes to this. I'm just looking for something to round out the complexion of the team.

Another name I'll happily take on the team right now is Abdullah The Butcher. I've heard it mentioned, and if you ever wanted someone for a Falls Count Anywhere, Abby's your guy. Again, I'm not completely looking for the flat out best wrestlers, just guys to give a diverse feel to the team, and to make sure that not all the wrestlers on Team Canada suffer from typcasting.

It's almost like pokemon. Would you throw in an all fire team to face water pokemon? I wouldn't. You'd have to throw out a pretty diverse team. Same logic goes for this, in my opinion.

[xfearbefore]

Originally Posted by Tenta

Again, at some point, you can only have so many great wrestlers, X. You're going to need a brawler, somebody that's able to give a diverse feel to this team. Otherwise, when you face wrestlers that have impactful manuevers (Hogan, Taker, etc.) something's going to have to give. I love me some technical wrestling as much as the next guy, but at some point, you have to call for the big guns. And Canada's biggest gun seems to be The Quake, especially in both Rumbles and Survivor Series.

Eh, there are quite a few better brawlers than Earthquake. Benoit and Bret for example. Just because they're technically skilled doesn't mean they can't brawl with the best of them.

See, I'm not sure where Roddy's going to qualify. Yes, he's Canadian, but I'm not sold that he wouldn't be a member of a Scots team.

I don't see why he would be, he played up his Scottish ancestry but he never put on an accent and pretended he was from Scotland.

Why Christian? I mean, Edge I surely get, but do you really find Christian to be a better asset to the the team than Earthquake.

I certainly do. For that matter I think Christian is a much more talented wrestler than Edge. I'd put Christian in here over Quake. Have Christian in the ladder match, Jericho in the submission match, Bret Hart in the Iron Man match, and Chris Benoit in the battle royale. Shit, Benoit has won the Royal Rumble, he'd be perfect for it.

As for Edge... Simply enough, if you have Chris Jericho for your ladder match, why do you need Edge? Maybe for a Hardcore match, a la Falls Count Anywhere, but I don't see why we need two ladder specialists on the team.

Well first off Edge is a better ladder specialist than Jericho, by far. But again, I'd rather have Edge in there in your falls count anywhere match than Earthquake, who had little to no experience in a hardcore environment.

I've heard people say names like Test and Vampiro. Woo.

Lance Storm would be on this team if it were up to me. One of the most underrated wrestlers ever.

[General Disarray]

I think team Canada will be relatively easy to pick. Sure, there are a lot of great Canadian wrestlers, but 5 rise to the top.

Bret Hart - Looks to be the unanimous choice for captain. Incredible at everything, there's a reason he was "the best that ever was." There should be no argument here.

Chris Benoit - He'd be one of the best in the world today if it wasn't for the whole dead thing. Obviously will be helpful in the submission match and is just all around a great wrestler.

Chris Jericho - Most entertaining guy in wrestling at the moment, has had great matches when buttloads of people and has had a ton of success throughout his career.

Edge - 92 time World Champion, great on the mic, solid heel, and someone who has a lot of support on here. He can't be left off this team.

Christian - Part of the greatest tag team of the 21st century with Edge. Multi time NWA champ in TNA and currently tearing it up as ECW Champion.

I guess Storm should be considered, but I don't really care for him at all. Don't see the love affair. Also, with his recent Legend's Championship win, EY should be in the conversation, not on the team though.