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Old 04-09-2010, 06:20 PM
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Stage One

October 17th, 2009:
Arthur Abraham vs. Jermaine Taylor - Arthur Abraham defeated Jermain Taylor by knockout in 2:54 of round 12.
WBC World Super Middleweight Championship: Carl Froch vs. Andre Dirrell - Froch defeated Dirrell by split decision.

November 21st, 2009:
WBA World Super Middleweight Championship: Mikkell Kessler (champion) vs. Andre Ward - Ward defeated Kessler by technical decision in 1:42 of round 11.

Stage Two

March 25th, 2010:
Arthur Abraham vs. Andre Dirrell - Dirrell defeated Abraham by disqualification in 1:13 of round 11.

April 24th, 2010:
WBC World Super Middleweight Championship: Carl Froch vs. Mikkell Kessler

June 19th, 2010:
WBA World Super Middleweight Championship: Andre Ward (champion) vs. Allan Green

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TBA:
Andre Dirrell vs. Andre Ward
Carl Froch vs. Arthur Abraham
Mikkell Kessler vs. Allan Green

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Okay, so this awesome tournament was developed by Showtime back in October, in order to bring attention to, in my opinion, the best weight-class in Boxing: The Middleweights.

The way it works is simple:

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The competition starts with a group stage where each boxer will fight three times. A boxer is awarded three points for a win by knockout or technical knockout, two points for a win on points, one point for a draw and 0 points for a loss.

The top four from the group stage will continue to the semifinals, matching the leader against no. 4 and no. 2 against no. 3. The winners of the semifinals proceed to the final, for the tournament.

The WBC Super Middleweight Championship and WBA Super Middleweight Championship will be on the line for each of the champions' fights. The winner of the Super Six World Boxing Classic will also be unified champion of the super middleweight division.

In the event of a fighter being unable to continue in the contest, a reserve boxer will enter in his place continuing from the previous fighters points.
There you have it. It's easy to keep track of, and above you can see all the dates of the next fights. I'll make sure to update the OP with each passing fight, just in case you end up missing any thing.

Anyway, the tournament started off with an absolute classic between Arthur Abraham and Jermaine Taylor, in which Artur Abraham won in the last round by a BRUTAL knockout. Check out the video below:



That was followed the same night by not a very exciting fight, and one with a very controversial decision. Andre Dirrell has easily established himself as the "heel," if you will, of the tournament because of his whining and fighting style. I too felt like he won his fight against Carl Froch; however at the same time I thought his bitch fit was unwarranted, especially considering his style of fighting, which is running away, holding, and overacting on "illegal" shots. So, while I would have gave him the fight on points personally, I still wasn't disappointed Froch won.

In the third fight, we saw my favorite in the tourney, Andre Ward, completely dominate Mikkell Kessler in a fight that seemed like no one was giving Ward a chance of winning. But, he showed up in perfect shape, and as his training partner Nick Diaz would put it, laid down that ass whoopin' on Kessler. It was beautiful to witness.

And the last fight we saw Arthur Abraham vs. Andre Dirrell a couple of weeks ago, which unfortunately was just a complete embarrassment to the sport, with both man's actions. Dirrell is just such a piece of shit, and while you can call it "smart" I guess, he made sure to walk away in this one with his hand raise. But man... I cannot wait to see the douchebag get his ass kicked.

The next fight will be on next Saturday (April 17th) between Andre Ward and Allan Green. It's Allan Green's first fight in the tournament, replacing Jermain Taylor, who had to withdraw due to injury. I fully expect Andre Ward to successfully defend his title and put on another great performance, continuing to solidify himself as the next great in the Middleweight Division.
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Wow, so your like, actually a real Boxing fan huh JMT? I can't even express by bewilderment. I am actually sitting beside myself watching me type this,lol.

I thought the SSWBC was a great idea, and I've enjoyed the fights so far. Jermain Taylor was my sentimental favorite since he did take the middleweight division away from B-Hop in 2 decisions. I also like Froch a bit, but I will admit I was pretty pissed off about that decision he got over Dirrell. I thought Dirrell won the fight easy, frustrating Froch the whole time. That fight looked like the boxer against the puncher if you ask me, and Froch didn't like that Dirrell was too smart to fight his fight, on his turf, in front of his crowd. Froch wanted Dirrell to stand in front of him like a heavy-bag with eyeballs so he could just pound on him, but Dirrell kept moving, kept making him miss, tying him up, and using his speed to outpoint him the whole fight. I thought it was a good showing by Dirrell who also in my view Dethroned "King" Arthur Abraham. Loving or hating him has nothing to do with his ability, and he has a lot of it.

I am with you about Ward though too, I like him a lot in this tournament. I think he has a good shot, and at this point they all do. This is probably the best pairing of fighters I've seen in a long time. All these guys have such different strengths and weaknesses it really makes the whole thing interesting. The different styles are represented as well.

You've got Froch with that tough British style, not the most technical but technical enough, and ready to bang. Then you've got Dirrell and Ward who represent the American style with the emphasis on technical boxing with speed and footwork. You've got Abraham who is just your straight up power puncher. Also you've got Kessler who is more of your traditional upright European boxer. A blend of styles that make for good fights.

Think of this too, Carl Froch is defending his title in every one of these fights, and these guys are the top competition. So much for boxers not taking on the best available opponents. Froch is giving the sport a little bit of it's dignity back in being a fighting champion. I think most of these guys do bring so class to the sport, and also help put the respect and dignity back into the sport a bit.

The one place where I disagree is that I think the welterweight division is obviously the best division in boxing, that's just my thoughts as a fan and everything though. The super middleweight division is obviously making a big impact, and over all I'd say those two divisions are the best. I just think you've got to put the welterweights at the top because seriously, you've got Manny Pacquiao who IS the P4P king, Floyd Mayweather who is the top competitor for that title, Shane Mosley, Miguel Cotto, Andre Berto, Joshua Clottey, Antonio Margarito, Kermit Cintron, the up and coming Edwin Valero, etc... and let's not get into the list of guys in the past. Just my personal favorite division. I do love seeing the bigger super middleweights duking it out still.
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I thought it was a good showing by Dirrell who also in my view Dethroned "King" Arthur Abraham. Loving or hating him has nothing to do with his ability, and he has a lot of it.
Oh, don't get me wrong... I know Dirrell has a ton of ability. He's lighting quick, especially for a guy his size. However, I just cannot respect the way he goes about things. I can admit it's smart to find a way to win fights, but someone winning a fight will not make me respect him or her. They have to actually fight that fight, not avoid the fight.

Take Jon Fitch in MMA for example. Great, great record and seems unbeatable against anyone but GSP, but I cannot stand watching him fight, because all he does is take someone down and lay on top of him for 15 minutes, while never trying to improve his position to put the guy away. I respect the fact that Fitch has the ability to win fights like that, but it does not make me like him or want to watch him fight. And it's the exact same way with Andre Dirrell. It's great he knows how to use speed as the only means to win a fight, but I will not be a fan of someone like that, because that's not a true fighter in my mind. Sugar Ray Robinson is a true fighter. He used his speed to once compile a record 128 wins and 1 loss, but at the same time... he still fought his opponents. He didn't run away from fights; no, he looked to put people away. You just can't say the same for Andre Dirrell, and I think that's a shame because I do believe he could be a very exciting fighter if he wanted to be.

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The one place where I disagree is that I think the welterweight division is obviously the best division in boxing, that's just my thoughts as a fan and everything though. The super middleweight division is obviously making a big impact, and over all I'd say those two divisions are the best. I just think you've got to put the welterweights at the top because seriously, you've got Manny Pacquiao who IS the P4P king, Floyd Mayweather who is the top competitor for that title, Shane Mosley, Miguel Cotto, Andre Berto, Joshua Clottey, Antonio Margarito, Kermit Cintron, the up and coming Edwin Valero, etc... and let's not get into the list of guys in the past. Just my personal favorite division. I do love seeing the bigger super middleweights duking it out still.
Oh yeah... currently, there's no argument that the Welterweight Division is the most stacked in boxing. No argument. But I think if you look all throughout history of the sport, the Middleweight Division has remained the most consistent out of every division you could mention. From the days of Sugar Ray Robinson and Jake Lamotta to Sugar Ray Leonard and Thomas Hearns to the Roy Jones/Bernard Hopkins era to today's Super Six Classic (plus Kelly Pavlik, who I really wish could have been apart of this thing)... to me, it's just the best division there has been and ever will be. Today I admit that the Welterweights have an awesome core of guys (and shit, you forgot a lot of names to be honest, lol), but I think no matter what the Middleweight Division will always remain my favorite.
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I think if you look all throughout history of the sport, the Middleweight Division has remained the most consistent out of every division you could mention. From the days of Sugar Ray Robinson and Jake Lamotta to Sugar Ray Leonard and Thomas Hearns to the Roy Jones/Bernard Hopkins era to today's Super Six Classic

Oh inarguably. Going through the time line you can't deny the middleweight division it's credit one bit. Just the name Robinson seals the deal as most boxing experts consider him the greatest fighter ever, even over Ali who is so commonly hallowed as the G.O.A.T. by the media.



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Oh, don't get me wrong... I know Dirrell has a ton of ability. He's lighting quick, especially for a guy his size. However, I just cannot respect the way he goes about things. I can admit it's smart to find a way to win fights, but someone winning a fight will not make me respect him or her. They have to actually fight that fight, not avoid the fight.
I totally get where your coming from there, I often hold the same thing against Floyd Mayweather. The style is not aesthetically pleasing, or as fun to watch as the guys who really go in there to bang. I thought in the case of Dirrell he was really just outsmarting the bigger stronger Froch who wanted to stand and exchange, but Dirrell was not going for it. I was pretty disappointed by Froch in this fight myself because of his somewhat roughhouse tactics. I can't say Dirrell responded in a fashion becoming of a champion either though.

Going further on about fighting the fight, rather than avoiding the fight, I have to get into Mayweather on this one. If anyone I ever saw was as guilty of that as Mayweather I would be shocked. Unless it's a smaller guy he figures he can move around like Marquez, he does anything he can to do as little as possible. The bastard wins fights with defense and almost non existent offense, and it makes me sick. For instance, I thought De La Hoya beat him in their fight. Mayweather started to get at Oscar late in the fight but Oscar had the fight up to the 8th round. 8 out of 12 rounds wins the fight doesn't it? You could have given him the 9th round as well simply because he made the fight. If he'd of left it up to Mayweather nothing would have happened. That is a prime example of what you are talking about I think, and I totally agree on the disapproval.
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I think this is an absolutely brilliant idea to really put out the greatest of these 6 people which are most definitely the 6 greats in todays the super middleweight class.

I must admit I haven't been able to properly follow it, because I've.. well quite honestly been very bad at picking up the dates for fights, but I'm planning on following Kessler as he takes on Froch this month.

Personally being a big Mikkel Kessler fan (my favorite, I'm very nationalistic when it comes to boxing, very focused on watching danish wrestlers box, although I'm incredibly saddened that I missed the match he had vs Joe Calzaghe) and I must admit on a biased point I would love to see Mikkel grant Froch's first defeat.

Although I sadly don't see the biggest possibility in this happening, as Froch from my view point appears to be the better man in this tournament, standing out incredibly well, and don't ask me why, just looking at the stats across his career and seeing to the fact that he enters this tournament as champion (now I know Mikkel did that too, but sadly lost to Andre Ward, but I didn't count Mikkel to win this tournament anyway) I think Carl Froch is the odds-on-favorite for this tournament, although they all seem fairly able to pull off a "lethal" fist, especially the one you linked JMT.

So in the end, even though Carl Froch isn't in the lead right now (also taking into consideration that he has only fought once, entering his 2nd fight with Mikkel in this month) I still see Carl going through this rather cleanly, but things can change, it's only a knockout punch away.
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I recently started noticing that the Danish television stations are starting to advertise Kessler vs Froch, shame although that they actually had Kessler utter the words "this is the fight of my life" seeing as it's by far not if you ask me, Kessler's fight of his life was the unification match between him and Joe Calzaghe back in 2008 ( at least I believe it was considered an unification match?)

Anyway, I must honestly say I'm pretty hyped on this match, seeing as if you noticed my reply earlier I see Carl Froch doing great in this tournament, again don't know why, because there's just something about it, so well basically it's my favorite boxer (Kessler) vs Froch.

And while I do agree with you guys that all of these competitors does have their own thing to back themselves up, and I do see that everyone of them has a potential to go on and win this thing, and as much as I would like to see Kessler in the winning end of it (top 2 or something) I must probably give this tournament to Froch or Abraham, looking at Froch entering with perhaps the best statistics (other than Kessler, seeing as he's had almost more knockouts than the rest of the competition has had matches, just on the edge with Arthur and Jermaine Taylor, but he doesn't really count anymore cause of his withdrawal) and sadly the only reason why I don't see Mikkel Kessler going in there and winning it all, is because of the fact that he also stands on the side of having the most losses as opposed to the fact that yes he has had more fights and really went undefeated for a longer amount of matches than these guys has had in total, I see the thing that Kessler has lost twice in the past 5 matches as a sign that he might slowly be loosing what he had going in his career prior to 2007.

Edit: but in the end, looking at the statistics I see Froch or Arthur doing this to the end, but as I've said so many times, I'm leaning mostly to Froch, especially with the statistics of no losses, entering as champion, and having a fair percentage of knockouts as opposed to his amount of matches (26 matches 20 knockouts)
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I actually just watched the Andre Ward/Mikkell Kessler fight last night. I know I am late as fuck with a reaction to that fight but better late then never right? Andre Ward looked awesome. He had an answer for any and everything Kessler threw at him. Ward dominated Kessler from the opening bell until the fight was stopped. Seeing as he is the only fight in the tournament I have seen so far he is my favorite to win. The dude looked like a beast, plain and simple.
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This tourney is a great idea to eventuallt unify the division,the standout performer in the 1st round was Andre Ward,who totally outthought and outboxed Kessler.I think the Froch/Dirrell fight was close and in this situation you always favour the champ,nobody will ever look good against dirrell,so froch done well to eke out a SD.I am looking forward to froch/kess a week on saturday,the trend so far has been that the home fighter has won 4 out of 4 so far and i feel that could change come fight 5 on the 24th.

Also Ward/Green is in june as far as i know,to give Green more prep time JM.
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As Caps pointed out, Andre Ward vs. Allan Green is now scheduled for June 19th, rather than this Saturday like originally put in this thread. They thought it would be fair to give Green another good 2 months to prepare.

I see the logic behind it, but it's still disappointing. I was very much looking forward to watching Strikeforce this weekend, and right afterward flipping to Showtime and catching the replay of this fight.

Regardless, highly doubt the two months helps Allan Green. He doesn't stand a chance against Ward, who like I mentioned early is my favorite in the tournament, and if you ask me... he has so far had the best showing out of everyone thus far.
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So tonight it happens, Mikkel Kessler vs Carl Froch.

I ordered the pay per view myself yesterday, Denmark is currently airing a 5 hour count-down to this event, following up with interviews of the people involved, looking back at the event, and interviews with the celebrities showing up.

I have to admit I am HYPED.
Boxing being the only sport that I'm actually patriotic about, the only sport where I whole heartedly support my own country, as opposed to football, where I normally end up supporting some other country cause I know they have a bigger chance.

I think Kessler is in for a tough fight tonight, as I've said all the time, I think Carl Froch could win this one, and while my patriotism wants me to see Kessler knock the living hell out of Froch tonight in (as he said himself, in a cocky manner obviously) 2nd round, obviously I prefer him to fight for at least a few rounds, just for the sake of not wasting the pay per view money, but I really hope he'll pull it off to regain his WBC championship, but I have to admit although Kessler has a home field advantage, and the fact that he has never lost in Denmark, I sadly have to face facts and say I think Froch will be the one to end the chapter for Mikkel Kessler, seeing as he's said "it's over" if he doesn't win tonight, because people will slowly loose faith in him he believes, and I can follow it, he has a lot to prove tonight, and I'm ready to mark out like a little boy like back when other danish greats would be boxing on a regular basic on television.

And just for the sake of showing my hype.. *starts clapping* lets go Kessler *claps* let's go Kessler *claps* etc.. etc..
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