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Old 10-31-2014, 01:06 PM
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Bret\Anvil were at the top in WWF, but despite what Vince wants us to think- the wrestling world is much bigger than his Connecticut based empire.
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Clearly you have no clue what you are talking about when you call my stance 'anti-WWE bias' just because I was on the other side of this discussion. WWF\E has been my favorite promotion out of them all.
Yes... clearly.

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Understanding & appreciating what happens outside of Vince's empire hardly makes me biased.
I don't know that you do understand what happens outside of Vince's 'empire' (seriously, it's kinda funny how you can refer to the WWF like that, and still not understand how anyone could think you have an anti-WWF bias).

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The Hart Foundation were good in one promotion, but never considered the best in the world- you said so yourself.
Yeah, and I also said that by the time the Steiners were considered best in the world, the tag team landscape had changed and there weren't nearly the number of quality teams that existed during the Hart's run. You ignored that part (kind of what I'm talking about when I say you like taking what I say out of context, and present a dishonest argument).

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Beating a handful of good teams in one promotion is not as impressive as beating good teams from all over wrestling's landscape. Good in one place is not as important as great everywhere. Spin it how you want & defend it with contract status, but it is what it is. A team who is good at beating division rivals in the NFL may be great, but if they never make it to the playoffs it dont mean shit when comparing legacy against teams who win the conference. Using the defense of 'well they never got to play there so it dont count' is a silly ass argument.
Haha. So now the Steiners are conference champs, and the Harts are a team that can win a few games, but can't even make the playoffs?

I love your 'good in one place is not as important as great everywhere' line though. It's still real to you, isn't it?

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As far as your comment about a dishonest debate? Hilarious. At no point did I lie or cheat in arguing my stance. You are just irritated that I refused to engage\respond to every little brick in your pink & black word fort.
I don't think you get the concept of an 'honest' debate.
  • to start off, you presented the Hart Foundation as a short term team that meant little in the grand scheme of things, who only had good matches when paired up with better teams. That was such bullshit that it needed to be addressed
  • you overhyped the US to World to IWGP run, providing zero context behind it... then got salty once I did explain the back story behind that
  • you conveniently refuse to acknowledge the real working differences between WWF wrestlers and WCW wrestlers, because this didn't help your argument. You claim that 'you don't know' how the Harts would have faired in Japan because it never happened? First... do you know a single thing about how the business works? The Steiners got pushed in Japan because they drew. WWF wrestlers drew HUGE in Japan whenever they got the rare chance to compete there. The Hart family already had a good working relationship NJPW (both Bret and Jim did several tours, Owen was made their Jr. Heavyweight champ, Bulldogs worked there extensively, ect). Had the Hart Foundation, a popular WWF tag team whom their fans wanted to see, been available... they would have had the same type of accolades... if not greater, than what the Steiners had. Anyone who doesn't believe that... is either kidding themselves, or just doesn't understand. I'm guessing you just don't understand


No one's asking you to engage/respond to 'every little brick in my pink & black word fort'. But for fucks sake... when you do choose to engage/respond to something... get the fucking context right and don't twist it to suit your agenda. Because otherwise...

that's being dishonest.

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I did not need to deconstruct every sentence that you wrote in order to point out that Rick\Scott were a better team overall than Bret\Anvil. Clearly others agreed with that fact. I chose to point out that The Steiners were an overall better team with a better career, had a big run with 3 titles at once & were more than capable in taking down your team in the ring. You chose to further the misconception that The Hart Foundation were a better team than they actually were. There was no need for me to multi-quote you or construct a rival wall of text in order to show who should win the matchup.
Others are more than free to think whatever they want. But just like you were, I also had the right to make the argument that I wanted to make for this matchup (if not, then what's the fucking point?)

You chose to point out what you wanted... I argued it. That's what we call a debate. Like I said, you just weren't capable of actually debating my points, so you chose to take what you could out of what I said out of context.

And I'm calling you on it... only because it appears that a few people actually got fooled by you

Felt good. Now I can move on.
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