Originally Posted by SacredMesa
You see there is this thing called momentum. It can make a talentless hack who has no business being in the ring seem awesome to casual fans, see Ryback, but when squandered it can also make people stop caring and result in and entire push becoming a waste, see Ryback.
Frankly Ryback has been a picture perfect example of this. He was originally Skip Shefield(sp?) in the Nexus went no where and no body cared frankly because he sucks. Then he got repackaged as Ryback, still continued to suck, but was given a huge push allowed to win a ton and create some buzz. Then he loses to Punk, and last night after Survivor Series he tries to lead a feed me more chant and I'm pretty sure I heard crickets cherping. Momentum means something and right now these 3 have it, but if WWE jobs them out to quickly they will lose it and the angle will die.
The NWO in WCW didn't become big because they invaded and then lost matches. It became huge because they invaded, got huge momentum, and then they where pushed to dominate the hell out of WCW and be seen as unstoppable, only really showing weakness against Sting who was being built as the savior, until the angle ran it's course with Sting coming back at Starcade. The momentum being used correctly allowed for the NWO to transend genera and become main stream. I'm not saying that will happen with these guys but to ignore the potential that momentum has so much so that you think it doesn't matter is simply ignorant.
Did you not read my post before you replied? Your examples consist of a Goldberg clone (i.e. Ryback) -
[see this part of my previous post:]
You guys all crack me up. You think the only way to get someone over is to have them make an impact and then become undefeated for the next five years. Guys, wrestlers have to lose sometimes. Other times, they have to lose BADLY. That doesn't completely put them out of the picture forever. Just look at Daniel Bryan... or the Miz... or Dolph Ziggler. They all went through it. Hell, Daniel Bryan was looked at as being "hopeless" for the longest time. They he won MITB and the rest is history.
..and the nWo - which has really never been successfully duplicated in any promotion, regardless of the method they used with other modern factions.
Getting back to your point about "momentum"... it doesn't need to happen from the day that a wrestler debuts. Momentum can begin at any time and be carried as far as the individual is willing to take it (see my previous post about Daniel Bryan again
Just because Ambrose, Rollins and Reigns debuted at Survivor Series in an impactful way doesn't mean they need to be shot to the moon in their first WWE run. Off the top of my head, I can only name enough wrestlers with one hand that support your version of momentum; shooting wrestlers to the moon starting the day they debuted. Every other wrestler that became popular did so by receiving an initial run and got dummied down for a while as they honed their craft and learned the ropes (Randy Orton, Mick Foley, Stone Cold before he was Stone Cold, Rockie Maivia a.k.a. The Rock, etc.) That's how the WWE brass can assess if a wrestler has longevity or if they've "got the goods" to rise to the top.
This is my point. Internet wrestling fans and smarks always bitch and moan because they believe that pushing a wrestler to the moon from the day of their debut is going to miraculously "save the business" of professional wrestling and create a superstar overnight. But the audience rarely swallows that pill. Newcomers are normally not accepted by the audience. For some reason, acceptance by the audience must be earned. That's why there is a "system" in place that's been working since the beginning of time forutting wrestlers over and jump-starting their careers. Shooting newcomers to the moon does nothing but piss people off who aren't willing accept them as an invincible force.