Wrestlemania XXXIII: General Discussion & Reviews
Since WrestleMania is just about 3 weeks off and we have several matches already made official, let's keep all future discussion regarding the event, card, fantasy matchups, etc. all here.
Confirmed for the card right now:
WWE Universal Championship - Goldberg vs. Brock Lesnar
WWE United States Championship - Chris Jericho vs. Kevin Owens
WWE Raw Women's Championship - Bayley vs. Sasha Banks vs. Charlotte Flair
Likely matches based on what we saw on Raw:
WWE Cruiserweight Championship - Neville vs. Austin Aries
WWE Raw Tag Team Championship - Luke Gallows & Karl Anderson vs. Enzo Amore & Big Cass vs. Cesaro & Sheamus
Singles Match - The Undertaker vs. Roman Reigns
Matches that are rumored to be going down:
WWE Championship - Bray Wyatt vs. Randy Orton
Singles Match - Shane McMahon vs. AJ Styles
Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal
They could always go the route of having the Cruiserweight Championship match be some multi man sort of match, but I'm thinking that there's a strong possibility of it being just between Neville and Aries considering that Neville has soundly beaten the top, more established guys in the division.
The Raw Tag Team Championship match may damn well be a real snoozer if they don't alter the usual paint by the numbers formula Vince likes for tag team matches. WrestleMania is the biggest show of the year, it's become the show of the triple threat, fatal fourway, etc. sort of match so that everyone can be on the card.
Taker delivered a chokeslam to Roman Reigns after Reigns declared that it was his "yard now" so their match is all but official at this point.
Given how it's looking right now, they're definitely gonna have to make the kickoff show feel like a bigger deal. Even if the match line ups for the three possible matches I named don't look quite like that, they'll still be on the card and that'll give Raw 6 matches and the rumored matches make a total of 9. Last year's WrestleMania went almost 5 hours, not including the 2 hour kickoff show, so if they're gonna keep that strategy then they might want to consider, in the future, making WrestleMania a 2 day thing because it's just too damn much wrestling for one day.
This'll probably be the first Mania that I just read about and just completely skip watching. It really baffles me how they have a good roster this year, yet it looks nearly as bad as last year.
Kickoff: Triple Tag Team Match for the WWE Raw Tag Team Championships
Enzo Amore and Big Cass def. The Club (C) & Sheamus and Cesaro.
Kickoff: 4th Annual 30 Man Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royal
Luke Harper won by last eliminating both Rusev and Jinder Mahal.
Kickoff: Ladder Match for the WWE Cruiserweight Championship
Neville (C) def. Austin Aries.
Opening Match: Triple Threat Match for the WWE United States Championship
Samoa Joe (C) def. Sami Zayn and Braun Strowman.
My only "wilde" card. I really think Strowman, Joe and Zayn deserve better than the battle royal. Joe defeats Jericho on RAW by distraction from Owens to win the title. Strowman is put into a table by Joe. Joe then makes Zayn faint to the the coquina clutch to retain.
2.Fatal Four Way Match for the WWE SmackDown Womens Championship
Alexa Bliss (C) def. Becky Lynch, Mickie James and Natalya.
3.Falls Count Anywhere Match for the WWE Intercontinental Championship
Baron Corbin def. Dean Ambrose (C)
The Big Show def. Shaq
A.J. Styles def. Shane McMahon
6.Mixed Tag Team Match
John Cena and Nikki Bella def. The Miz and Maryse
7.No Holds Barred Match
Kevin Owens def. Chris Jericho
8.Singles Match for the WWE Championship
Randy Orton def. Bray Wyatt (C).
9.Triple Threat Match for the WWE Raw Womens Championship
Bayley (C) def. Sasha Banks and Charlotte.
Bayley pins Banks to retain. Banks heel turn on Bayley after the match.
Seth Rollins def. Triple H
I will actually attempt to have Rollins beat Triple H in quick fashion. I actually think that they should have the match and announce it as Unsancionted. Then HHH's "friends" - Owens and Joe should come down, and then have Finn Balor return, and him and Rollins clean house. Balor does almost all the work, allowing Rollins to pin HHH after like 10 minutes of storytelling almost without coming to blows. This will defend Rollins, and also will give a reason for a future 1 on 1 rematch between Rollins and Trips, with Rollins healthier.
11.Singles Match for the WWE Universal Championship
Brock Lesnar def. Goldberg (C)
Goldberg kicks out of an F5. Lesnar kicks out of a jackhammer. Then hits a 2nd F5 to pin Goldberg clean.
12.Singles Match. If The Undertaker loses he must retire.
Roman Reigns def. The Undertaker
They should have Roman officially turn heel, by cheating to defeat Taker. Then give Taker his final moment with the audience to cap off WrestleMania. He will be announced as the first inductee into the 2018 HOF the next night on Raw - coming full circle - being inducted in the place the streak ended.
It might be a fine match, as last year's triple threat was great; but, was there any doubt Sasha would win last night to create the triple threat this year? So lazy and predictable. Again, she may very well be as deserving or more deserving than Charlotte or Bayley--I don't watch much--but the way WWE uses the triple threat option as a way out of making tough decisions bothers me. I'll certainly look forward to seeing what they do, but creative-wise, it seems lazy.
Also, must EVERYONE point to the WrestleMania sign? We get it. You're going to WrestleMania. The Rumble winner straight through....how many times does that sign get pointed to? Haha!
Just some pet peeves... I am looking forward to the show itself.
Based on everything rumored we have a 15 match card. I'm not even including the Shaq/Show match which apparently may be back on? Plus the obligatory 20-30 minutes that are gonna be given to The New Day. When you take into account everything that makes WrestleMania, WrestleMania (the video packages, special entrances, musical performance, etc.) I don't see how this doesn't end up being a 5-6 hour main show unless they keep the matches at around 7-10 minutes. Or they cut out a lot of the talky talky BS in the pre-show and just stack it with matches. But then you run into a scenario where you might see guys like Dean Ambrose, Braun Strowman and Samoa Joe on the pre-show and that's not good. The WrestleMania pre-show is another one of those things where WWE views it as a big thing when in reality the fans view the pre-show as exactly what it is... the show before THE SHOW.
Honestly, a best case scenario for this year may just be to cut the traditional pre-show entirely. Open the doors up at 3-4, have everyone in their seats at 5 and just start the main show then. In the two hours that the pre-show would have taken up, you'll be able to knock out most if not all of the undercard and use the traditional 4 hours to focus on the "main event" matches.
If you're so desperate to get a pre-game type show in, then put one up a few hours before Mania or even the day before where it's just a few people giving their analysis of the matches at some studio in Stanford... you know like an ACTUAL pre-game. People can choose if and when they wanna watch, whether it's Saturday night or an hour before the show starts. And if they choose not to watch at all, it's okay because they won't miss anything.
I have to give it to them. I got a little bit hyped. My hype level, as far as RAW goes, is as follows right now:
1) Y2J vs Owens
2) Aries vs Neville
3) Goldberg vs Lesnar
4) Undertaker vs Reigns
5) HHH vs Rollins
I still haven't gotten behind the Rollins vs HHH feud. Rollins missing from TV really hurts that one. Maybe a stipulation like No DQs will do it for me. I also didn't like how Undertaker vs Reigns began. But it's still early to judge that one.
Neville vs Aries was unexepted and it got me hyped. The F5 to Goldberg really did the job for me and got me back on track for this feud.
Owens vs Jericho is the biggest match on RAW for me. Entertaining build-up. Will be a great match and two amazing performers. What else can you ask?
I'll come back for Smackdown after tonight.
Smackdown didn't really hooked me with their matches last night and failed to deliver compared to RAW. Where was Bray? There are only 3 shows left until Wrestlemania..
Miz/Cena needs to get more personal. Styles vs Shane just doesn't feel right and needs something behind it, like a stipulation, because it's Shane.
Also, why would Bray Wyatt just let Orton win the match after what he did? Some logic gaps here.
And as for what you said about letting Orton win, shouldn't he want to face Orton? Is Bray a coward now? He should want revenge on Orton for burning down the compound. I half expected Bray to show up and actually help Orton win just to guarantee he would get Orton at WrestleMania. It would've been another nice turn in the story. I was kind of disappointed with how it actually went down.
This Wrestlemania card looks stacked at the moment. Quite a few will appear on the pre show no doubt but below there are 15 matches that will very likely happen.
At the moment Samoa Joe, Brawn Strowman, Dolph Ziggler, Sami Zayn, Luke Harper, Rusev do not have matches. 3 of these will probably end up in the Battle Royal but Joe and Strowman you would think have matches planned.
American Alpha vs The Usos, Alexa Bliss vs Smackdown Roster and Andre Battle Royal all look most likely for the Pre Show.
UNIVERSAL TITLE - Goldberg (c) vs Brock Lesnar
WWE TITLE - Bray Wyatt (c) vs Randy Orton
US TITLE - Chris Jericho (c) vs Kevin Owens
RAW WOMENS TITLE - Bayley (c) vs Sasha vs Charlotte
SD WOMENS TITLE - Alexa (c) vs Smackdown Roster
ANDRE THE GIANT BATTLE ROYAL
Likely to happen
SINGLES MATCH - The Undertaker vs Roman Reigns
SINGLES MATCH - Shane McMahon vs AJ Styles
SINGLES MATCH - Triple H vs Seth Rollins
SINGLES MATCH - The Big Show vs Shaq
IC TITLE - Dean Ambrose (c) vs Baron Corbin
CRUISERWEIGHT TITLE - Neville (c) vs Austin Aries
MIXED TAG MATCH - John Cena/Nikki vs The Miz/Maryse
SD TAG TITLES - American Alpha vs The Usos
RAW TAG TITLES - Gallows/Anderson vs Enzo/Cass vs Cesaro/Sheamus
I find myself hoping against hope that Show vs. Shaq is off, I just don't give two shits about it and I don't think a ton of other people do either. Between Goldberg and Lesnar, WWE already has more than enough people on the show who aren't very in-ring capable. I'm of the opinion they may be better off moving the weaker or, at the very least, less interesting matches to the kickoff show. After all, I don't really see the point of spending 2 hours recapping everything that's happened during WrestleMania season as there are so many potential matches on the card. For instance, the blue brand's tag team scene has kinda gotten lost in the shuffle this year so far, so I see it being on the kickoff show. Alexa Bliss defending against the blue brand's entire female roster, as of right now, gives the impression of a clusterfuck waiting to happen, so the kickoff show might work best. The Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal is primarily designed to have mid-card and lower card wrestlers take part in the WrestleMania payday, so the kickoff show is a perfect spot. I'd say that almost the entire Cruiserweight Division will be there as well so it'll save the need for a useless multi-man match. The Cruiserweight Championship match might go on the main card, depending on how the build continues to go in the next few weeks; so far, it's off to a good start but it could easily wind up on the kickoff show as well.
WrestleMania Kickoff Show
WWE SmackDown Women's Championship - Alexa Bliss (c) vs. All
WWE SmackDown Tag Team Championship - American Alpha (c) vs. The Usos
Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal
WrestleMania Main Card
WWE Universal Championship - Goldberg (c) vs. Brock Lesnar
WWE Championship - Bray Wyatt (c) vs. Randy Orton
WWE Intercontinental Championship - Dean Ambrose (c) vs. Baron Corbin
WWE United States Championship - Chris Jericho (c) vs. Kevin Owens
WWE Raw Women's Championship - Bayley (c) vs. Sasha Banks vs. Charlotte Flair
WWE Raw Tag Team Championship - Luke Gallows & Karl Anderson (c) vs. Enzo Amore & Big Cass vs. Cesaro & Sheamus
Singles Match - The Undertaker vs. Roman Reigns
Singles Match - AJ Styles vs. Shane McMahon
Singles Match/Confrontation Segment - Seth Rollins, Triple H & Samoa Joe
Mixed Tag Team Match - John Cena & Nikki Bella vs. The Miz & Maryse
In my opinion, that looks like a pretty strong card overall. I have little to no hope for Goldberg vs. Lesnar, but it is what it is. I'm also dubious about Taker vs. Reigns just because I wonder how Taker can hold up in the ring this year. While I think Styles could be used much better, I have little doubt that Styles vs. Shane will be a much better match than Taker vs. Shane was last year. My gut instinct tells me that this will not be one of the all time great WrestleMania events, I'd very much like to be wrong about that but the main event of WrestleMania carries a lot of the energy for the show as a whole and I expect little to nothing from Goldberg vs. Lesnar.
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