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rge2010 11-27-2017 05:38 AM

Royal Rumble - Womens Edition
 
Looks like the rumour mill is saying that a womens Royal Rumble will take place in January. With the quality of the womens edition improving drastically over the last year or two I firmly believe it is time we had one!!!

30 competitors over at 1 minute intervals and open the show with it!!! There needs to be as much time as possible between the womens and mens rumble matches.


Raw
Alicia Fox
Asuka
Bayley
Dana Brooke
Mandy Rose
Micky James
Nia Jax
Paige
Sasha Banks
Sonya Deville

Smackdown
Becky Lynch
Carmella
Lana
Liv Morgan
Naomi
Natayla
Ruby Riot
Sarah Logan
Tamina

NXT
Billie Kay
Ember Moon
Nikki Cross

Surprises
Alundra Blayze
Beth Phoenix
Kharma
Layla
Lita
Michelle McCool
Nikki Bella
Sara Del Rey
Trish Stratus

Lots of pops, surprise returns, some good spots - it doesn't need to make sense. The Rumble is mean't to be fun and I think with these 30 ladies it would be!!!

ComeOnVince 11-27-2017 09:13 AM

I really like the idea of them trying a women's rumble. I think it should be 20 max, though. Two full-length Rumble matches on one card is going to be tiring. I really don't think a women's rumble is going to resonate well with the majority of fans, but I do like the idea and I want them to try it. I think it needs to be faster-paced and shorter. I hope that it is successful. While many think it won't be, there's no way to find out without trying it.

I would love to see a quick spot by some of the former women's roster members. Maybe not all in one year, but that's just a matter of preference. I think all of them would overshadow the current roster very easily. But like OP said, it doesn't have to make sense.

Macho Mans Beard 11-27-2017 09:29 AM

I love the idea of a Womens Royal Rumble Match. But the problem lies with eliminations. Very rarely do we see women go over the top rope. In fact most arent tall enough to go over the top. So what do you do? 2nd rope elimination kinda cheapens the match.

Also having 30 women in the match is way too much. I like the idea of 20. Have 2-3 return spots MAX. Have 2 NXT max. That gives 15 spots to Raw/Smackdown. Which the debut of NXT women on both shows already, you really can negate the NXT spots. Have them come out in 1 minute intervals. It makes the match around 25 min, which is actually perfect for a opener.

Again with the eliminations: The match actually would favor Nia Jax and Tamina. Those are really the only two I can see actually throwing the others over the top rope. Trying to imagine all the other women trying to toss them over the ropes is actually quite comical.

HeenanGorilla 11-27-2017 11:03 AM

Though my fandom has waned over the years, I almost always watch the Rumble and Mania. I still look forward to Mania, but the Rumble has become terribly predictable and boring. 30 men...3 of which might win. Why is this still interesting? They need to take the title stipulation away to make it possible for most, if not all, contestants to have a legit shot at winning. It's a tradition that has run its course.

I used to look forward to returns like Honky Tonk Man or someone like that...no chance to win, but good for some nostalgia and a funny moment perhaps. But with these guys having longer and longer careers, even the "surprise" entrants haven't been away long enough for it to matter. Example: "Oh my God! It's Alberto Del Rio!" Ok...that's a surprise. ...and now it's over. Fast forward one day later and it's "Oh look...it's Del Rio on Raw again...which I've seen 1,000 times...and he's as boring as ever."

Also, a lot of the suggestions on this board assume that most people watch NXT. That is not true. Last year's Rumble had..I believe it was #10..some NXT guy who had a gimmick that had something to do with #10. "Of course he was #10..nice touch." ...."of course" to those who watch NXT. "Who the hell is this?" to most people. Same as "Who should end Asuka's streak?" Asuka has been on the main roster for 5 minutes. Her "streak" was not seen or known about to many viewers. Therefore, most people don't care how it ends...or even know that it needs to end.

A Rumble of 30 women? Have you seen the lack of creativity in booking the women's division? It's already the same matchups over and over. Oh look...4 women came out and said they want a title shot. Ok, just throw them all in the ring at once and get a new #1 contender. What?? A Rumble of women would be...ok? But isn't it just more of the same? All of the women thrown in the ring at once with a "who cares?" result. I agree there is a lot of women talent these days; but, the way they are handled, this Rumble would be boring at best. "Wow! Becky is #12...or #4...or #17...who cares because they're all just randomly running to the ring for no reason." There are PPVs between Rumble and Mania anyway, so even the title match "prize" doesn't mean anything at that point...unless you are admitting the other PPVs before Mania are throwaways.

The title match stipulation has handcuffed a once-revered tradition. They NEED a new reason to make people care about watching the Rumble. If you know what the Mania plans are, why is the Rumble entertaining? To see how Kofi will not touch the ground this year? To see if the rumors and spoilers you have read for the past year, for some reason, have come true? It's just a very anticlimactic event.

What woman would actually surprise you, by the way? If Lita came out for the inaugural women's Rumble, would you really be surprised? I mean come on.

wrestlingmasters55 11-27-2017 12:50 PM

I read somewhere that if they are going to do a women's royal rumble that it's going to be a modified version of the match. So i don'T know what this means really but i'm guessing that they won't do a 30 woman's match and it's probably going to be everybody from the roster except for the champions.

Personally, i wouldn't mind if they do this match as a way to set up the women'S title match at the rumble itself. Whoever win the match at the beginning of the show or even on the pre-show gets a title shot at the end of the show.

Also i feel while they want to be a equal opportunity company and everything, i think having 2 rumble matches on one show is overkill unless you modified the women's one so that it doesn'T look and feel the same as the men'S rumble. i don't know how you can do that but you need to make it different so that the fans don't get burned out after seeing the women's rumble match and just stop caring about everything else on the show afterward especially the main rumble match.

HeenanGorilla 11-27-2017 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wrestlingmasters55 (Post 5766627)
I read somewhere that if they are going to do a women's royal rumble that it's going to be a modified version of the match. So i don'T know what this means really but i'm guessing that they won't do a 30 woman's match and it's probably going to be everybody from the roster except for the champions.

Personally, i wouldn't mind if they do this match as a way to set up the women'S title match at the rumble itself. Whoever win the match at the beginning of the show or even on the pre-show gets a title shot at the end of the show.

Also i feel while they want to be a equal opportunity company and everything, i think having 2 rumble matches on one show is overkill unless you modified the women's one so that it doesn'T look and feel the same as the men'S rumble. i don't know how you can do that but you need to make it different so that the fans don't get burned out after seeing the women's rumble match and just stop caring about everything else on the show afterward especially the main rumble match.

Put it on first, so people who couldn't care less can tune in at 8 and ignore its existence.

Jack-Hammer 11-27-2017 02:15 PM

It's up in the air at this point. Earlier this year, there was said to be heavy talk about doing the match then, a few weeks ago, Meltzer reports that there currently aren't any plans to announce the match while the UK Sun says the exact opposite.

I'm not against the idea but, as of right now, it strikes me as more of a novelty than anything else but that's not necessarily a bad thing. It could be fun to see some returns, if WWE can get them, such as Lita and Trish Stratus and I see this could be another opportunity to showcase Asuka as, let's face it, she's the automatic favorite to win such a match and rightly so. Start her off at #1, have go the distance, let her have 7 or 8 eliminations and be the last woman standing. It's simple, it's effective and it's ultimately giving the majority of fans what they want, so it's probably not gonna happen.

HeenanGorilla 11-27-2017 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack-Hammer (Post 5766643)
I see this could be another opportunity to showcase Asuka as, let's face it, she's the automatic favorite to win such a match and rightly so. Start her off at #1, have go the distance, let her have 7 or 8 eliminations and be the last woman standing. It's simple, it's effective and it's ultimately giving the majority of fans what they want, so it's probably not gonna happen.

What is effective about this? The inaugural woman's Rumble just happens to have the big star draw #1 and go the distance? How would this look like anything but set up? I mean, obviously, the matches are all predetermined, but isn't this a little too "what was the point of that?", even for a kayfabe believer? It would be a slap in the face to the fans to have such a one-reason mission thrown at them. Anyone who knows who Asuka is will see it for what it is and anyone who doesn't will realize what was just pulled in front of them. This is a horrible, horrible idea. How could any fan get ANYTHING out of seeing this happen?

It's like a best of seven series where one person wins the first three and then it goes seven anyway...who walks away from that thinking that it was anything but a poorly-written best of seven series? Come on, man. You've obviously been a fan a long time. Why do you support such insulting writing?

Rulk25 11-27-2017 03:25 PM

Yeah I agree a better option would be to have Asuka win at the Rumble over Bliss and have the Rumble to see who faces her...Maybe if Char drops the title to Caremlla vis cash in you could see Char win and challenge Asuka or have a suprise return winner like Trishif they want Asuka's streak to last a little longer
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Originally Posted by HeenanGorilla (Post 5766645)
What is effective about this? The inaugural woman's Rumble just happens to have the big star draw #1 and go the distance? How would this look like anything but set up? I mean, obviously, the matches are all predetermined, but isn't this a little too "what was the point of that?", even for a kayfabe believer? It would be a slap in the face to the fans to have such a one-reason mission thrown at them. Anyone who knows who Asuka is will see it for what it is and anyone who doesn't will realize what was just pulled in front of them. This is a horrible, horrible idea. How could any fan get ANYTHING out of seeing this happen?

It's like a best of seven series where one person wins the first three and then it goes seven anyway...who walks away from that thinking that it was anything but a poorly-written best of seven series? Come on, man. You've obviously been a fan a long time. Why do you support such insulting writing?


Jack-Hammer 11-27-2017 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeenanGorilla (Post 5766645)
What is effective about this? The inaugural woman's Rumble just happens to have the big star draw #1 and go the distance? How would this look like anything but set up? I mean, obviously, the matches are all predetermined, but isn't this a little too "what was the point of that?", even for a kayfabe believer? It would be a slap in the face to the fans to have such a one-reason mission thrown at them. Anyone who knows who Asuka is will see it for what it is and anyone who doesn't will realize what was just pulled in front of them. This is a horrible, horrible idea. How could any fan get ANYTHING out of seeing this happen?

Please, all the "it's a slap in the face to the fans" nonsense gets brought up so often that it's become a crutch much along the lines of hardcore Cena haters claiming he can't wrestle. When you look at the landscape of WWE, exactly how many compelling Women's Championship matches for WrestleMania are there? The answer is not too damn many.

Sasha vs. Bayley? A year ago, I'd have salivated at the notion of them in a title match at WrestleMania but WWE has butchered their credibility as champions, especially Sasha. Even if they didn't face each other, their credibility as champions is shot at this point so either of them going into WrestleMania as champion or leaving just isn't all that much to talk about.

As for the rest on Raw, Nia Jax isn't ready, Alicia Fox is a joke, Dana Brooke is dead weight, Mickie James is a nostalgia act & there'll be plenty of those for WrestleMania enough as it is, neither Mandy Rose or Sonya Deville is anywhere close to being ready. As for SmackDown, Natalya & Naomi are both really good in the ring but are about as 1 dimensional as it gets, Becky Lynch is a possibility though we've seen a lot of her against Charlotte already, Ruby Riot MIGHT be a viable possibility but Sarah Logan & Live Morgan aren't, Tamina is the least over woman in WWE history, Lana can't wrestle and Carmella already has the MITB briefcase. Nikki Bella is a possibility, though there'd definitely be a backlash to some degree as it'd be nothing more than a part timer who hasn't wrestled since WrestleMania this year getting a prime spot because she's John Cena's fluff toy. If Alexa Bliss is set to have a long run lasting to WrestleMania, then there aren't many genuinely exciting options and Asuka is one of them.

The thing about "insulting writing" is I've learned very much that fans, especially internet fans, don't consider it "insulting writing" if it means they get what they want. WrestleMania XXX and Daniel Bryan's WWE Championship win was "insulting writing" in the sense that it was obvious what was going to happen to anyone who'd been watching. He beat Triple H earlier in the night, had the hell beaten out of him by Orton & Batista during their match, was being carted out on a stretcher and pulled himself off said stretcher to continue the match. Did fans know what was about to happen? Absolutely and they sure as hell didn't sound like they felt they were being insulted because they were getting a payoff they wanted.

Me personally, I don't want some Vince Russo moment in which they do something unexpected just for the sake of it being unexpected regardless of whether or not it's stupid. For instance, I mentioned Alicia Fox so just imagine if she won the first women's Royal Rumble to earn herself a title shot with her current gimmick. The internet would blow up with criticism from fans to dirt sheet writers to even some mainstream publications that report on WWE and you'd have a hard time finding a credible argument to in support of WWE's reasoning. Asuka is fresh, Asuka is over and I've little doubt a lot of fans would applaud Asuka winning the Rumble; she doesn't have to decimate everyone, doesn't even have to be the first one in, what's important is that she'd win if she's set to be in the match because, as I pointed out, WWE doesn't really have a whole lot of viable options; I suppose it's possible that they could have someone else win and spend the next few months really building said winner into a credible opponent, an opponent that fans want to see in a title match. However, I don't really have all that much confidence in Vince's stability during WrestleMania season to put the necessary effort into building up this winner. Asuka comes with built in credibility in her undefeated streak and as the most dominant champion, male, female or tag team, in NXT history. I'm just of the opinion if they intend to put Asuka in this match, if the match even takes place in the first place, that not having Asuka win won't be well received by a lot of fans.


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