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The Best At What I Do
12-15-2009, 12:46 PM
This is a very serious question. It's been bothering me a lot lately. Isn't it strange that our WWE Champion Sheamus barely ever wrestles a match? Let's take a look at his tenure on RAW:

Beats professional jobber Jamie Noble
Takes a week off
Wins a battle royal to become #1 contender
Beats comedy jobber Santino
Takes a week off
Beats John Cena to become WWE Champion
Takes yet another week off

Note: When I say he takes a week off, I am aware that he still wrestles but the fact is we the viewers never see it so it almost doesn't count (house show mentality)

This guy is holding the top title in all of professional wrestling and we don't even get a chance to see what he is capable of in the ring. I've heard of his past 7 years of wrestling but I (and the majority of fans) can only go by what we have seen from him on RAW and that isn't much. He has yet to wrestle any legit contender on RAW outside of when he won the title.

The only reason I can think of is that the WWE doesn't want to crush any other up-and-comer's momentum by having Sheamus squash him. But that doesn't even make sense because they had him go over their top guy so they must already have a lot of faith in him. So can someone please tell me why the WWE Champion doesn't get any real ring time? Wouldn't beating anyone who is at least midcard level help show why he should be champion?

Rich the UK WWE Fan
12-15-2009, 12:53 PM
The only reason Sheamus won is to shut the Internet smarks up who constantly bitch about Cena being Champion, however Cena will get "his" belt back either at the Royal Rumble or not long after, Vince isn't dumb enough to keep the belt off his number 1 Star for all that long.

When Cena's back from making The Marine 2, he'll be back in the title picture, I guarantee it, although even I don't want HIM to be the one to end the famous Undertaker streak at Wrestlemania, especially given that if I win enough money on the Lottery between now and next March, I plan to be there.

JayMiine
12-15-2009, 01:07 PM
Vince does not cater to the IWC, maybe to HHH,HBK and his own interests in wrestlers(Sheamus, Mcintyre) but thats a different story.

Cena isn't in the Marine 2, Dibiase is and its already filmed, hence the preview of it last night on Raw.

As for your question, I don't get this Sheamus thing either. I am a big fan of the guy, love the accent and all, but I dont understand why he was not FEATURED on last nights show. This is one of the "biggest nights in the WWE" and your WWE champion is on for about 2minutes. Sheamus should have opened the show or interrupted Miller. He needs the face time right now.

captainalaric
12-15-2009, 01:10 PM
The only reason Sheamus won is to shut the Internet smarks up who constantly bitch about Cena being Champion, however Cena will get "his" belt back either at the Royal Rumble or not long after, Vince isn't dumb enough to keep the belt off his number 1 Star for all that long.

When Cena's back from making The Marine 2, he'll be back in the title picture, I guarantee it, although even I don't want HIM to be the one to end the famous Undertaker streak at Wrestlemania, especially given that if I win enough money on the Lottery between now and next March, I plan to be there.

Okay, okay. First of all, The Marine 2 has already been filmed. Secondly, Cena didn't star in it, Ted DiBiase did. Cena is off filming another movie very soon, but The Marine 2 isn't it.

Anyway, it looks to me that Sheamus isn't "wrestling" because he's being put over as the "unstoppable monster heel". Heel wrestlers have a characteristic of not using very many wrestling moves at all. The crowd gets bored of seeing rest hold after rest hold and punch/kick after punch/kick, which is why heels do it. Sheamus is no exception, and with his size included in the picture, he plays this type of character very well.

ANT-MAN87
12-15-2009, 01:21 PM
Easy response to that, He is green, he only got called up from the minors earlier this year. He has no skill or ring savvy and his mic skills are terrible. I guess also they want him to look like a threat, however if he wrestled more than he would look more like a force to be reckoned with than carrot tops big brother. Point is like they said in "the Wrestler" the guys who politic run this business, Gaymus work out buddy is Triple H that says a lot. To me he is a over rated Irish version of sid vicious and fit finely combined. His title reign is the same shit Vince did in the early 90's with Yokozona making a new comer champ and having the fan favorite job to him until mania. These are the reasons why the WWE needs competition so they don't do dumb moves like this.

The Best At What I Do
12-15-2009, 02:38 PM
Anyway, it looks to me that Sheamus isn't "wrestling" because he's being put over as the "unstoppable monster heel". Heel wrestlers have a characteristic of not using very many wrestling moves at all. The crowd gets bored of seeing rest hold after rest hold and punch/kick after punch/kick, which is why heels do it. Sheamus is no exception, and with his size included in the picture, he plays this type of character very well.

1st off, I like how you put the word wrestling in quotes hahaha. Anyways, you claim that he isn't "wrestling" because he's being put over as the "unstoppable monster heel". Wouldn't that be portrayed easier if he were to say actually beat someone down instead of not getting in the ring at all? Other "unstoppable monster heel" pushes were at least fed jobbers on a weekly basis to show dominance. This guy rarely even gets in the ring.

As for your question, I don't get this Sheamus thing either. I am a big fan of the guy, love the accent and all, but I dont understand why he was not FEATURED on last nights show. This is one of the "biggest nights in the WWE" and your WWE champion is on for about 2minutes. Sheamus should have opened the show or interrupted Miller. He needs the face time right now.

My point exactly. As WWE Champion he is technically the face of the company. It doesn't make sense to only give the champion 2 minutes of talk time, no ring time or no show of dominance on a 3 hour broadcast. It seems like the only reason we saw him at all last night was due to his slammy win

shanners_03
12-15-2009, 03:09 PM
Off topic - haha ANT-MAN87 i have the feeling that you are a bit bitter about cena losing "his" title? by any chance are you another of the boring pathetic cena followers in which case your opinion wont mean jack shit.
yes he is HHH training buddie and if that got him the title well he doesnt care what you think aslong as he has been shot to stardom! he has good technical skills from what ive seen but i will give you that he has terrible mic skills and needs to better himself there but he does look like a dominant force i mean that bicycle kick and his crucifix powerbomb are beautiful so he has a good chance in this company as far as im concerned.

Right now onto topic i agree i mean i was going "what the hell this dude has been doing fuck all apart from retiring Noble" and thats not saying much i mean im surpirsed hornswoggle hadnt done it sooner haha but yeah he seems dominant and yet we only get to see short moments of him besides his title match this past sunday which i enjoyed apart from the running from cena every few minutes. i for one would love to see more of this powerhouse and see him face some actual competition. If HHH is such a good mate of his im sure he would job to him but then again we are talking about HHH here who doesnt care who it is really.

The S#cial Sector
12-15-2009, 03:15 PM
I'm not sure exactly why he's not wrestling, but if you ask me, I kind of like it.

Here's a guy who has yet to demonstrate just how truly powerful he really is, yet he's the top guy in the industry. That right there will get the common wrestling fan to think "If he did that this way, then how would he fair doing it this way?"

And plus, as a heel, you want to be the guy who studies your opponent. You want to be the guy who can outsmart the face and take the victory as fast as possible. Vice versa, you want to be the one who isn't studied by your opponent. You want to be the guy who everyone is wanting to see more of, but not getting.

Personally, I think this would work better if he had a team to fight for him. However, this angle right now is working and I must say it's pretty nice to see something new from WWE.

Stuntz
12-15-2009, 03:17 PM
Easy response to that, He is green, he only got called up from the minors earlier this year. He has no skill or ring savvy and his mic skills are terrible. I guess also they want him to look like a threat, however if he wrestled more than he would look more like a force to be reckoned with than carrot tops big brother. Point is like they said in "the Wrestler" the guys who politic run this business, Gaymus work out buddy is Triple H that says a lot. To me he is a over rated Irish version of sid vicious and fit finely combined. His title reign is the same shit Vince did in the early 90's with Yokozona making a new comer champ and having the fan favorite job to him until mania. These are the reasons why the WWE needs competition so they don't do dumb moves like this.

First off, no one the WWE brings onto RAW is that green. The man has 7 years of wrestling experience. If he could'nt wrestle he wouldn't be on RAW or the champion for that matter. Apparently creative and booking see some type of potential for him to get the title that quick. Perfect example of an unstoppable force getting a belt quick.....Bill Goldberg. The man could not wrestle to save his life, however he was one hell of a mean son of a bitch and could tear everyone apart. As far as Sheamus goes, he put on a good show at TLC. 15 minutes in the ring with Cena and it didnt look horrible. We will see more of his wrestling ability in the future and as this plays out further I am looking foward to the change in Main event matches.

RockNWag
12-15-2009, 03:20 PM
Sheamus..is a bit annoying, but I understand where the WWE is coming from by doing his character like they are, although I don't really agree with it. And for the dude that said something about "lame Cena followers"....Look dude, Cena is VERY highly ranked in the WWE, and a lot of people see that as....He's just got a good figure, and a good personality....and a lot of charisma, so he's going to be the top dog...but watch him wrestle sometimes, hmm? He hits his moves PERFECTLY...how often have you seen him botch a move? Anyway....The reason for the post is this question... Why didn't Cena get a rematch? There was NO mention of the rematch clause on raw, and I'm a little confused by it...Anyone care to explain?

Toroc102
12-15-2009, 03:30 PM
Last nights show was just a clusterfuck, I wouldn't judge it too much as an indicator of future things to come, except for certain parts.

Anyhow, I don't think its a bad thing that Sheamus doesn't wrestle too much after becoming champ(he should've gotten more action on Raw beforehand though, I will admit that). I remember back in the old days the champs wouldn't wrestle on every single show, it'd make me want to see a PPV so much more. I know HBK was injured but I don't think he wrestled to many matches between Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania 14, he even skipped the No Way Out(or its equivalent) ppv, when Hogan was in WcW he rarely wrestled on Nitro. I don't think its neccesary, tbh for the champ to wrestle more than ever other show, and tbh I'd be okay with them wrestling at most once between ppv's, beacuse the more your champ wrestles the more you have to make them look good at other peoples expense.

Mitch Myers
12-15-2009, 04:00 PM
I think this is WWE's way of trying not to make Sheamus look too dominant. Yes, he did destroy Jamie Noble, but Noble isn't really a threat to a man of Sheamus' size. Cena brought this up during the contract signing.

WWE is probably trying to make his win look like a fluke. So when Cena or Orton win the belt, it won't make them look weak. Sheamus will probably just be cutting promos for a while, until Cena(the most likely person to win the belt) beats him.

minoru808
12-15-2009, 04:46 PM
he doesn't wrestle often because wwe writers are morons and we all have to live with it. i don't even watch any more because of this. i just look up results online. they call it sports entertainment so why they hire guys who can't script out entertaining story lines is beyond comprehension. :banghead:

losmariachi
12-15-2009, 04:46 PM
Now, I'm a "smark" if you will, however I feel I really pay attention to the business aspect of this business.

You all complained that the WWE isn't "building" future main events. That they leave promising young stars in stagnancy.

TNA has signed Hulk Hogan, the virtual end all, be all of large scale professional wrestling. TNA as of late has been surging to push the newer stars of pro wrestling. Homicide, AJ Styles, Elijah Burke (yes I know his name is D'Angelo Dinero now, but who fucking cares?) and Nigel McGuinness (yes I know, name change.) And with Hogan's endorsement they appear to be making a surge to Monday nights.

For WWE this is bad. VERY bad. They haven't built anyone new in roughly 3 years. The WWE universe is calling for more "new guys." So WWE realizes that some of these guys would be believable as champ. Enter Sheamus.

He's got the McMahon look. He's got the McMahon intensity. He's got the heat. (You don't believe me? Look at last night's brief appearances.) So why not Sheamus?

This is simply for BUSINESS. WWE needed an instant star, so they got one. They just didn't get the one you wanted.

John Morrison as champion after everything? Is that who you want? He's been suspended before. He's only over mainly because of acrobatics. He's been lost in the shuffle for seven years and just NOW hit his stride. Note that he had to go backwards in order to go forwards. He started out in a tag team, went solo, failed, got repackaged, starts out in a tag team, goes solo, fails, repackaged, tag team, goes solo. That is NOT a good track record.

WWE wants someone who only goes higher, example, Kofi Kingston. That guy's NEVER been stagnant. He's always at full capacity.

And if you're really trying to pin this on Triple H's friendship, you're so prejudiced you can't see straight. Yeah the man's got stroke. But not THAT much stroke. The WWE title in 6 months because you're friends with the only guy to hold it 8 times? Triple H looks out for himself. Not anyone else.

Reverend Doug Crashin.
12-15-2009, 05:04 PM
This is simply for BUSINESS. WWE needed an instant star, so they got one. They just didn't get the one you wanted.

You make a good point there my friend. However, what they're doing with Sheamus is exactly what they should be doing. They're building Sheamus as the company's next big star and what better way to do it then making us want MORE by having him give us very little week in week out. this is a good decision in my honest opinion.

school-of-hard-knocks
12-15-2009, 05:55 PM
I am not sure to be honest. He is a very solid in ring worker, a big man who can move and has some devastating looking moves other than the ones we have already seen. I really think that WWE needs to establish him as a champion. I'd like to see him get a couple of wins over possibly DX and a couple of upper midcard wrestlers (MVP/Kofi).

Also, even though I am one of the few people in here who likes John Cena I do believe that Cena should not win the title back at the Royal Rumble. I would think that him winning by DQ but Sheamus retaining the belt would work just fine. Then WWE could work on a rubber match in between the 2 at WM for the championship.

Bad News Lariat
12-15-2009, 07:47 PM
Less is more. That's the only explanation that I have for that. Sheamus is the Goldberg of Raw. Wrestles very little and when he does, he makes it count. Just short bursts of rage and a win. That's all they want from him at this point. Sheamus will get to wrestle in due time, but if they want the dominance to continue, have him dominate foes constantly. It's the only way to get him over at this point and to match the intensity that Cena possesses.

Celtic Tiger
12-15-2009, 08:13 PM
I am delighted sheamus is the champ not cause he a fellow dubliner from ireland cause raw needs the shake up..he is the new monster heel that does what he needs to do, come out kick ass look mean and walk away like kane many years ago..his time will come to wrestle and as i seen over here he has potential and will make it

DirtyJosé
12-15-2009, 08:21 PM
This is one of the "biggest nights in the WWE" and your WWE champion is on for about 2minutes. Sheamus should have opened the show or interrupted Miller. He needs the face time right now.

I am all for the Sheamus push, all for his title victory, and all for the trend it sets. But even I can't defend Sheamus not being featured on Raw at least a little more than he was last night. Perhaps it will be rectified next week? Regardless, all last night did was cement the focus on Cena, with Sheamus on the stage looking like some baddie at the end of a video game level. This goes into the "stop protecting Cena" topic, but that's for another thread.

I have been doing some looking back at his FCW tapes, and anything I can get of him before that. He's not bad. Videos are hard to find because it seems WWE has sucked them from the internet the moment they decided to push him. All that's left on a previous official website is some intro videos and pics.

This, along with the nature of the push and how he's being used on Raw, tell me that there is still more to this plan/angle/push, and possibly some bigger cog of the story that we likely won't see until 1/4/10. I don't think he's too green to work TV, even if he isn't amazing. There has got to be a creative reason why he's not featured in competition more often.

CenaFan
12-16-2009, 01:36 AM
I think the reason why WWE is not letting Sheamus wrestle is because WWE is trying to portray him out to be a monster. If you really think about it the guys that are like Sheamus (Ex: Kahli, Kane, Bigshow etc) never wrestled either. They were portrayed out to be a monster, so that was there gimmick. I also think it’s because WWE is not concerned with the wrestling when they get these big guys, they are more concerned with the entertainment aspect of what they can do.

God for bid that Sheamus can actually wrestle but then that would put a damper in the whole thing. lol

JBK2008
12-16-2009, 08:37 AM
Anyone that saw that TLC match with Cena knows there's something with Sheamus. That said, I'm glad Vince is taking a risk on him and also not having Sheamus wrestle very long. That's what the monster heels do! His abilities and what not will be shown as time progresses, but right now this is fine. The guy has been wrestling for a long time now, and he was a great choice to leave ECW so soon and go to Raw. When he left and joined Raw, I thought in my head "Yeah, this guys about to do something." He's got the talent, now it's time to see if he can run with it.