Kane or John Cena: Who's done more for the WWE?

[Milenko]

Lets take a look at both men.

On one hand you have Kane. He had a short run as Dr. Isaac Yankem who had a few matches with Bret Hart on behalf of Jerry Lawler. He hit it big when he was repackaged and debuted at Badd Blood: in your house costing The Undertaker the first ever HIAC match. since his debut he has won countless titles including the WWE title for only 24 hours. He has continued to feud with as well as team up with The Undertaker winning the Tag titles together. Most new fans see him as A jobber but is that really a bad thing? Odds are he could have not renewed his contract at some poin in the past if he wasn't happy but he's still here putting over the younger talent. He may not have done much recently but beating Kane, a former WWE Champion, is a big deal and he willingly jobs on an almost weekly basis.


On the other hand you have John Cena. He's been groomed for big things since day one. He won the US title from Big Show at WrestleMania XX and has been on a HUGE roll ever since. A year later at 'Mania 21 he won his fist WWE title from JBL and has been in the Main Event Scene ever since.


To answer my own question Kane has done more for the WWE than John Cena. He puts over young talent all the time and he enjoys it. I'm not saying Cena hasn't done a lot for the WWE because he has. He's made them money with Merch & ticket sales as well as PPV buys. The one thing he has not done that Kane does all the time is put over younger talent. Yeah he loses but most of the time it's to other Main Eventers and when he does lose yo the younger guys its due to a feud he's having with another Main Eventer. (Imay be missing something so feel free to correct me.)

I don't want anyone to think this is an I hate Cena thread becasue it isn't. I'm a fan of Cena and will always defend him.

[Coco The Monkey]

So being a jobber means Kane has done better for the company? I call shenanigans.

Cena has done BUSINESS for the company. Cena has been money. Kane has not. Cena helped the business rebound a bit while he was on top after it shrunk in the early half of the decade. Cena has put on some of the most entertaining and important matches of the last four years while Kane has grown old, fat, bald, sloppy, and unimportant. How in the world the biggest homegrown legend the company has seen since Rock and Austin is below Kane on the scale of importance to the history of the company, I know not.

To say Cena was going to make it since day one is a lie as well. He was floundering until he was allowed to go on TV on the Halloween SmackDown and rap in front of Steph. From there he took off. Orton was pegged as the guy from day one. Cena worked for it. Those are the facts. Cena earned the respect of a locker-room who didn't think he was any good. Cena did more to learn his craft and become better than Kane ever did. Kane was happy to flounder in the midcard and collect money. Cena has a drive and uses it to turn profits for the WWE. Kane is a nobody and is lucky he got the gimmick he did. Nobody would care about him if he was not Undertaker's "brother."

[Champycakes]

See, the thing is, beating Kane doesn't mean anything anymore. He could lose to every young star on the roster and he still wouldn't be doing much for the business. While he remains over, the fact remains that the guy is a glorified jobber. He's never been a top star, he was WWE Champion for exactly one day, and every time he gets pushed, booking manages to screw it up. While that last one isn't really his fault, Kane's been nothing more than a jobber to the stars for most of his career, and I don't see how that's helping the company.

Cena, on the other hand, is the biggest star wrestling has had since Austin and Rock left. He's main evented two WrestleManias, had high profile matches in three more, sold merchandise, sold tickets, made his opponents look like a million bucks, and put on countless awesome matches. He is basically the company spokesperson and he's a damn good one. He has a great attitude about everything, and he does his job well, which is to be a role model for kids and keep making Vince money. And Vince loves him because he makes money.

Let me ask you a question. Let's say Kane's released from the WWE tomorrow. In about a month's time, does anyone really care? It would cause a decent shock at first, but the guy wouldn't really be missed. He was just gone for a while before he came back at the Bash, and the product didn't miss a beat without him. But then if Cena left, would people care? Absolutely. Positively or negatively, it doesn't matter. People would notice that he was gone. And eventually, most people would be wishing that he would come back. Especially Vince, who would be missing out on all that dough and one of the most reliable superstars that he's ever had.

[TheTruNoLimit]

Cena has done more for the business, in terms of making the WWE a financial success. Cena is the top dog in the company when it comes to business which explains his never ending push. It doesn't explain Randy Orton's never ending push, but that's another story.

As far as Kane is concerned, here on the internet we know that Kane jobs practically twice as much as he wins. However, as I've said in the past, the announcers who call the action put Kane over as a force. He is still the Big Red Monster and every opponent he faces is usually referred to as an underdog even when he's facing top level main eventers. For that reason, as far as beating Kane is concerned, it certainly means something in the world of the WWE, although not much for us on the internet.

The fact of the matter is, there's never been a point in his career where anyone's had an easy fight against Kane. Kane dominates most matches and loses only at the end. Kane will put over anyone the WWE asks. Kane put Kofi Kingston over. Would John Cena have ever put Kofi over for a victory? Probably not. Kane welcomes the opportunity and the fact that the announcers after Kane's match with Kofi referred to it as a huge upset and a win that was probably the biggest win of Kofi's career means that in the WWE, beating Kane still gives you clout.

Therefore, John Cena has done more for the WWE really than anyone currently in it. However, Kane has done more for the talent in the WWE who need to look good.

[Milenko]

So being a jobber means Kane has done better for the company? I call shenanigans.
Being a jobber means putting someone over and John Cena has never jobbed to anyone ever. Yeah he's lost but Like I've said it's usually to other established stars. Kane has jobbed and it's usually to up and coming talent. His feud with MVP is what put MVP on the map and while Kane won the inferno Match a rookie MVP got the best of him most of the time.
Cena has done BUSINESS for the company. Cena has been money. Kane has not. Cena helped the business rebound a bit while he was on top after it shrunk in the early half of the decade. Cena has put on some of the most entertaining and important matches of the last four years while Kane has grown old, fat, bald, sloppy, and unimportant. How in the world the biggest homegrown legend the company has seen since Rock and Austin is below Kane on the scale of importance to the history of the company, I know not.
I never denied Cean didn't make the WWE money or wasn't good and entertaning what I said was Kane is above him because he puts more new stars on the map than Cena.
To say Cena was going to make it since day one is a lie as well. He was floundering until he was allowed to go on TV on the Halloween SmackDown and rap in front of Steph. From there he took off. Orton was pegged as the guy from day one. Cena worked for it. Those are the facts. Cena earned the respect of a locker-room who didn't think he was any good.
When did that happen a month into his career? Okay not day 1 day 7
Cena did more to learn his craft and become better than Kane ever did. Kane was happy to flounder in the midcard and collect money.
Kane is happy putting people over that is what makes him better than Cena in my eyes
Cena has a drive and uses it to turn profits for the WWE. Kane is a nobody and is lucky he got the gimmick he did. Nobody would care about him if he was not Undertaker's "brother."
I never said Cena didn't make money for the WWE. In fact I made it a point to say he did.
See, the thing is, beating Kane doesn't mean anything anymore. He could lose to every young star on the roster and he still wouldn't be doing much for the business.
Bullshit, No matter what he's done recently Kane is still one of the verents in the WWE locker room and a former WWE, IC nd Tag Champion. If beating him wasn't a big deal tell me why MVP skyrocketed after their feud?
While he remains over, the fact remains that the guy is a glorified jobber.
I never said he wasn't, I've mentioned Kane being a jobber a few times actually
He's never been a top star, he was WWE Champion for exactly one day, and every time he gets pushed, booking manages to screw it up.
He was a top star during the attitude era. He may not have been in the Main Evet Scene all that often but the some of the biggest feuds that weren't for a title involved Kane.
While that last one isn't really his fault, Kane's been nothing more than a jobber to the stars for most of his career, and I don't see how that's helping the company.
Jobbing to the stars doesn't help at all, it's the jobbing to the nobodies he does that helps the company

Cena, on the other hand, is the biggest star wrestling has had since Austin and Rock left. He's main evented two WrestleManias, had high profile matches in three more, sold merchandise, sold tickets, made his opponents look like a million bucks, and put on countless awesome matches. He is basically the company spokesperson and he's a damn good one. He has a great attitude about everything, and he does his job well, which is to be a role model for kids and keep making Vince money. And Vince loves him because he makes money.
All this I mentioned

Let me ask you a question. Let's say Kane's released from the WWE tomorrow. In about a month's time, does anyone really care?
I'm sure people will care.
It would cause a decent shock at first, but the guy wouldn't really be missed. He was just gone for a while before he came back at the Bash, and the product didn't miss a beat without him.[/quote]
The Product doesn't center around Kane than'ts why
But then if Cena left, would people care? Absolutely. Positively or negatively, it doesn't matter. People would notice that he was gone.
All this proves is he's popular not.
And eventually, most people would be wishing that he would come back. Especially Vince, who would be missing out on all that dough and one of the most reliable superstars that he's ever had.

OK lets put it this way

Kane: Better for the company in terms of putting new stars on the map

Cena: Better for the company in terms of money.

All in all I would say somoen that puts new stars in the map is more important than someone who makes money. If Cena left Vince would still make money. If Kane left Vince would lose his one Veteren that doesn't mind putting new stars over and that would be worse for WWE in the long run.

[Coco The Monkey]

TruNoLimit: John Cena probably would put over Kofi to be honest. I've never seen any sign of Cena using his power to get himself put over at any point in time. He lost the world title in three minutes clean back at No Way Out. Even if it's the wrong move, Cena agrees to it. For the last two years, Cena has taken backseat to Orton and Hunter's feud while he should be the top guy and has accepted the company's decisions that he should be playing with scrubs like Miz and JBL. If this was Hunter, he'd have flat out said no to such frivolity. Cena, for the good of the business, really doesn't pull rank often enough for my taste. He should be the champion. He should be the headliner. He should not be misused like he is right now.

Saying Cena would refuse to do something that he hasn't is a lousy way to attack him.

[Coco The Monkey]

Being a jobber means putting someone over and John Cena has never jobbed to anyone ever. Yeah he's lost but Like I've said it's usually to other established stars. Kane has jobbed and it's usually to up and coming talent. His feud with MVP is what put MVP on the map and while Kane won the inferno Match a rookie MVP got the best of him most of the time.
Where to begin...

Cena's put over Khali clean on Saturday Night's Main Event. Cena went down for Umaga in Umaga's first few months in the company and didn't get the win back for quite a while. But more important, Cena's association put Christian and Jericho over as top guys in 2005, a ride Christian is still on today. He had Michaels look better than he had in years. Same with Show this year. He allowed Miz to take him down with in their feud. Things he didn't have to do.

Additionally, because they're established they don't count? Yeah, okay. Let's take the top star in the company and book him to lose to Yoshi Tatsu. :rolleyes: Him givng Michaels his best work in years doesn't count 'cause Michaels didn't need the rub. And he definately didn't make Orton look amazing in their feud.

Putting over main events helps too.

But most importantly, when has Cena ever refused to do what the company wants?

For the record, Kane did nothing for MVP. Benoit made him. Nobody was sold on him after the Kane feud.

I never denied Cean didn't make the WWE money or wasn't good and entertaning what I said was Kane is above him because he puts more new stars on the map than Cena.
I don't believe you. Miz and Morrison beat Kane on ECW.

Cena has done more for him than Kane ever did.

When did that happen a month into his career? Okay not day 1 day 7
Try several. He had his win over Jericho and then vanished onto Velocity for the rest of the summer and stayed there until October.

He would be released now if he never got that 30 second chance.

[48/7]

To say that Kane has done more for World Wrestling Entertainment is laughable, to say the very least. Kane has had a great run. I'd give it all to have his career. That being said, if Kane were to never have been, nothing changes. Someone else could have stepped into a similar role. He's a quick filler. If you need a one-month, throwaway feud, Kane is your guy. If you need someone to fight in RAW's main event, Kane can do it. He's a monster that can beat guys up. He does nothing further than that. Dozens of big men could have stepped into a role like that and been believable. As for putting people over, I don't think he does as much as you say. A win over Kane really doesn't mean anything, where as a competitive match with John Cena can put you on the map.

I won't discuss the business aspect of this, because it's obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that John Cena is the biggest draw in the wrestling industry. No one sells more t-shirts, backpacks, pillows, action figures, hats, arm bands, etc. The "CENATION" signs outnumber all others in the crowd and not a soul gets more people to stand on their feet and make noise when their music hits. When Cena returns from injury or time off, the rating for RAW jumps a couple of tenths of a point. Will Kane's return send SmackDown up from the 1.7 they got last week?

Wrestling is no where near where it was in the eras of Hogan or Austin. This isn't a boom period. But where is the WWE without their figurehead, John Cena? I doubt we'd be pulling 3.0's for RAW. Without Kane, we're exactly where we are now.

Edit: I've thought of another point. How many people did Hulk Hogan put over himself? He never lost to anyone in his prime, clean, except for The Ultimate Warrior. You never saw Hulk Hogan going down and taking an up-and-comer and making him into a star. Austin never did it and The Rock never did it. Cena, Austin, Hogan, and The Rock are, arguably, the greatest draws, in my mind, the greatest superstars of all time. Kane has put over more young guys than any of them, but he is multiple rungs below them on the ladder.

If John Cena was asked to put over Evan Bourne, you can bet your bottom dollar it would happen. But John Cena is the shining star of the company. He's the guy. It would be illogical for him to be putting young superstars over himself. Superstars get an incredible rub by simply being in the ring and going toe to toe with John Cena, no matter the outcome. I'm sure in eight years time that Cena will be the veteran in the locker room, still a star, that will build for the future. But, now's not the time.

[HypnotizedHero2010]

for me, i'd have to say cena because i started watching wwe about 3 months after be debut. i kinda grew up with cena. i've always been a fan of kane but i've never see him win the title. although cena has gotten stale. i just realized stone cold and the rock were never babyfaces, not when they were at there best. cena needs a change. maybe a heel turn?? who knows. but in my eyes cena has done more for the company, and cena ain't gone.

[shafe_41]

I don't love John Cena by any means but this is pretty cut and dry in my eyes. Who is more in the public eye through their career? Cena. Whose merch sales are comparable to Austin, Rock, Hogan? Cena. Who does more movies? Cena. Who has more public appearances? Cena. Who has brought in more money in the last 4 years than Kane in the last like... 13? Cena.

I don't mean this in a demeaning way to the OP... but Cena has brought in money, fans, more money, more fans.... and more fans that spend more money. I'm not even sure how this is an argument? The ONLY argument I see for Kane is that he's been used to put other superstars over because his career has just simply... been longer as of right now. But it takes a hell of a lot more than putting people over to do something for a company. Granted Kane's movie was better than either of Cena's... but that means nothing. Cena has done more for the WWE even 2 years ago than Kane ever has done and will ever do. Not cutting Kane down even though I don't like him at all, but it's just simple. It's almost like asking who did more for the WWE in the past? Hogan or Koko B. Ware? I mean c'mon man.

EDIT: I just wanted to add that I agree with someone above. Beating Kane means nothing anymore. In fact, beating Kane hasn't meant anything since about the time he was a tag champ with X-Pac. Beating Kane now is just about in the realm of beating Dolph Ziggler. Except Ziggler can move up. Kane's effed in that department. Kane will never ever ever ever ever ever ever be credible again IMO and I just really think people need to let this Kane thing go. Since he lost his mask, he's been nothing to me. I truly truly do not understand why so many people are hung up on Kane. A win over Kane is like... a fat kid eating more than his 2 yr. old sister at a buffett. It means nothing.

[The Sign Guy]

Well, let's look at both wrestlers here.

Kane: Kane is a veteran, and he is willing to put over anybody and everybody that the WWE asks. If WWE wanted Kane to job to Hornswoggle, I guarentee It would happen. He is a locker room leader in his veteran role and by putting over young talent like Kofi Kingston (and kind of in Rey), he is building up stars for the future. Now Coco said he is a glorified jobber, and while he is right on that part, he also said Kane is over, where he is also right. Coco has now contradicted himself. Kane is over when he plays his gimmick which is a dominating monster. So when he puts future stars over by jobbing, they can someday claim they scored wins over Kane, a dominating monster, one of the best big men in the business. And people will but that, because, once again, Kane is over. Plus, Kane arguably has better ring skills than Cena. While neither of them are mat technicians, Kane has more moves in his set than Cena does, which I can show proof of.

Kane:
European Uppercut
Sidewalk Slam
Big Boot
Dropkick
Flying Clothesline
Hangman's Powerbomb (used to use it)
Tombstone Piledriver (used to use it)
Body Sicssors (used in a match against Batista on SD once, which tells me he can pull it out.)
Snake Eyes (May be wrong here, but I think he has used this move also, not just Taker's move.)
Chokeslam
Corner Clothesline
DDT (used as Issac Yankem)

Now there is 11 moves he has proven to either use regularly or be able to use throughout his career. Now for Cena:
Five Knuckle Shuffle Move
FU
STFU
Spinning Side Slam
Sliced Bread
Shoulder Block
Running One Handed Bulldog

There's 7 for Cena.

So Kane puts over future stars which will give them credibility, while working with Kane will also help them learn as he is a veteran. Plus he is a better wrestler.

John Cena: Cena is a multiple time WWE Champion. He made plenty of money of his draw power, movie roles, and appeal to fans. He is arguably the biggest star since Rock, Austin, and Hogan, yet does not put over younger stars hardly over and cannot wrestle as well as Kane, or some others. But he has held titles and gave them credibility, especially the WWE.

Now, let's look at what does more for a business.

Having draw power, charisma, and being reconigzable, which earns the company tons of money. Being loyal also helps the company, which lets them know you can trust them. Putting over younger, future talent, so they'll have credibility. Being a leader and giving younger guys experience. Holding titles, especially the bigger ones, giving those titles cred and drawing ability. These all do good for the business. Kane and Cena each do three of these, yet Cena is the bigger name.

Therefore John Cena does more for the business in terms of marketing, being a good champion, and making money. Yet the way Kane puts over young talent who will make future stars, who will most likely excel at what Cena does now, makes him more important in the long run. So, the conclusion I have come to, is Cena does more in terms of being a big moneymaker, and being another future Hall of Famer who will be a mhousehold name and marketing ability like Stone Cold, but Kane will end up doing more in the long hall by creating more main eventers by putting them over, leading them, and giving them more experience, who will make more money combined than Cena probably will soley, and may even create another Cena.

So therefore, if want do say who's done more for the WWE in the present, it would be Cena. But if we want to look at it like we should, and say who Will do more eventually, it would have to be Kane.

[The Sign Guy]

To say that Kane has done more for World Wrestling Entertainment is laughable, to say the very least. Kane has had a great run. I'd give it all to have his career. That being said, if Kane were to never have been, nothing changes. Someone else could have stepped into a similar role. He's a quick filler. If you need a one-month, throwaway feud, Kane is your guy. If you need someone to fight in RAW's main event, Kane can do it. He's a monster that can beat guys up. He does nothing further than that. Dozens of big men could have stepped into a role like that and been believable. As for putting people over, I don't think he does as much as you say. A win over Kane really doesn't mean anything, where as a competitive match with John Cena can put you on the map.

I won't discuss the business aspect of this, because it's obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that John Cena is the biggest draw in the wrestling industry. No one sells more t-shirts, backpacks, pillows, action figures, hats, arm bands, etc. The "CENATION" signs outnumber all others in the crowd and not a soul gets more people to stand on their feet and make noise when their music hits. When Cena returns from injury or time off, the rating for RAW jumps a couple of tenths of a point. Will Kane's return send SmackDown up from the 1.7 they got last week?

Wrestling is no where near where it was in the eras of Hogan or Austin. This isn't a boom period. But where is the WWE without their figurehead, John Cena? I doubt we'd be pulling 3.0's for RAW. Without Kane, we're exactly where we are now.

Edit: I've thought of another point. How many people did Hulk Hogan put over himself? He never lost to anyone in his prime, clean, except for The Ultimate Warrior. You never saw Hulk Hogan going down and taking an up-and-comer and making him into a star. Austin never did it and The Rock never did it. Cena, Austin, Hogan, and The Rock are, arguably, the greatest draws, in my mind, the greatest superstars of all time. Kane has put over more young guys than any of them, but he is multiple rungs below them on the ladder.

Yes, many other people could fill in the role that Kane does as jobber that puts future talent over, but honestly, how many would? That's what I thought. Only HBK, and he is usually in a high profile fued. And while I have to agree with you saying a match with Kane might not put you career on the map, a victory over him could give you credability, as I said before, because Kane is in fact still over, and he is over as a monster who dominates, and if you get a victory or two over a monster who dominates when your an up-and-comer, that is good credibility for you when you reach ME status.

[48/7]

Yes, many other people could fill in the role that Kane does as jobber that puts future talent over, but honestly, how many would? That's what I thought. Only HBK, and he is usually in a high profile fued. And while I have to agree with you saying a match with Kane might not put you career on the map, a victory over him could give you credability, as I said before, because Kane is in fact still over, and he is over as a monster who dominates, and if you get a victory or two over a monster who dominates when your an up-and-comer, that is good credibility for you when you reach ME status.

The Big Show is currently doing well at Kane's job, losing to everyone. Mark Henry could have stepped into the role that Kane was given. Quite simply, no one's career is very much for the better because of Kane. A win over any monster does the same for a person's career as does a win over Kane, which isn't much. A superstar gets over on talent, not on beating a big man.

[Champycakes]

First off, I've never seen a Kane match that can top Cena's work with DX, Orton, Lashley, Umaga, etc. I really don't care if he has more moves, because I've always hated the argument that more moves makes you a better wrestler. People like Rock and Hogan had limited movesets, and yet they were part of some of the greatest matches of all time. Coincidence? I think not. Wrestling is about so much more than the number of moves you can do.

And really, Kane jobbing to all those guys isn't really doing a thing for them. Whose career was made because of a win over Kane? Who did Kane help make? Who benefited from a win over Kane so much that it propelled them to superstardom? The answer is nobody. Beating a guy who hasn't been on top for years doesn't mean enough to give someone that kind of boost.

[Milenko]

Quite simply, no one's career is very much for the better because of Kane.
I do believe I've mention MVP a couple times. His first big feud was with Kane and it put him in the public eye. They had a series of matches with MVP getting the better of Kane most of them time. If not for fighting and going over Kane the wasy he did I would argue MVP's career would not be what it is today

[Champycakes]

Did MVP even go over Kane? All I really remember from their feud is MVP running like a bitch after Kane lit his ass on fire. And that definitely didn't help get him over. On the contrary, it made him look like a joke and like he couldn't compete with Kane.

I still can't think of anyone else who Kane's truly put over. He's jobbed to a lot of guys, but it really hasn't done anything for them. Kofi Kingston pulled off an "upset" over Kane earlier this year, and he's still in the same spot now that he was back then. Hell, Kane squashed Chavo Guerrero in eight seconds last year at WrestleMania. I'm sure Chavo appreciates that.

[48/7]

I do believe I've mention MVP a couple times. His first big feud was with Kane and it put him in the public eye. They had a series of matches with MVP getting the better of Kane most of them time. If not for fighting and going over Kane the wasy he did I would argue MVP's career would not be what it is today

And what, pray tell, is MVP doing lately? He hasn't won a match since he lost the United States championship and he only makes every other show. What a spectacular thing he's doing since he's beaten Kane. No, Chris Benoit got him over more than Kane ever could, and MVP got himself over against Matt Hardy. Nothing about his feud with Kane is even remembered by most of the casual audience. Besides, if you're banking on this questionable elevating of MVP as you're reasoning for why Kane has done more for the company than John Cena, then I'm sure you'll come to see that you are wrong.

[Chill]

Nobody would care about him if he was not Undertaker's "brother."

I would just like to point out that I would care about Kane if he was not Undertaker's "brother". Yes, Kane started out in WWE and was majorly involved with 'Taker at that time (and at other times) but he has also done a lot of things independent of his "brother". I'm just saying that his initial gimmick is what made me a Kane fan, NOT the fact he is 'Taker's storyline brother...

As to the point of the thread, it's difficult enough to answer. It is hard because on one hand you have John Cena who is in the prime of his career and is the company's top star while Kane is not in his prime and serves a much different purpose than Cena.

I would probably have to say that since Kane has been around longer that he has done more in terms of pure (largely uniterrupted) service to the company but still I cannot deny the moneymaking machine that John Cena has become and will continue to be in the future.

I think people should also remember that Kane has never been a permanent top flight main eventer, he is in actual fact a very popular mid carder who has visited the main event on more than one occasion and who doesn't look out of place when in the main event. Therefore, Cena and Kane have very different positions on the card and I think it's fair then to say (and I say this as a Kane fan but it's the truth) that John Cena has or at least will do more for the WWE in terms of money and bringing in the revenue....again, I'll admit people pay to see Cena in the marquee matches, NOT Kane returning to interfere in a Dolph Ziggler/Khali match. But then again, we don't know if Kane can truly draw money as a champion/main eventer as he's never been given a sustained chance...

But what annoys me is people saying that Kane is worthless or that he wouldn't be missed or noticed if he were to leave tomorrow, because I would miss him...people have mentioned how Kane is still over to this day, well that is because people obviously care about him. It's simple, if you are over then people care, if you are not over then people don't care. Kane is over and that means people care. Therefore, if Kane were to leave I think the people who currently cheer for him would care.

Kane has put a lot of people over during his time, I would say that at this junction in his career he is basically a very popular enhancement talent (not a jobber, a jobber is someone who is paid to lose and doesn't win...Kane wins so is not a jobber) who picks up the odd significant big win here and there. In fact, Kane actually wins a fair percentage of his matches whilst still being willing to put people over...so he's more than an enhancer.

He has put over Umaga (he even gave Umaga his monster role on RAW while he left to the "lesser" show, Smackdown), he put over Khali as a threat at Wrestlemania (Kane was established as WWE's monster then and so when Khali beat the established monster...surely that helped get Khali over as more dominant than Kane at that point), Kane did put MVP over in their feud whether that was in singles matches or in cage matches...the inferno match was the only match Kane won during their intial feud. By the way, I'm NOT trying to say that working with Kane made these guys careers but it prepared them for bigger things and gave them experience from working with an established veteran star.

All in all, I have tried to make it clear that Cena and Kane are on completely different levels at this stage of their careers. As a fan of Kane I will happily admit that Cena is doing more for the WWE at the moment in terms of drawing numbers but to say Kane is worthless or that nobody cares is simply untrue imo and unfair to Glen Jacobs who does work hard despite what people say...he busts his ass and sacrifices his star in order to put guys over, surely even non fans can in the least respect the man. When Kane returned at the Bash he got a great pop further showing that people still care. Kane mightn't be making the same impact as Cena in terms of cash flow, but he still serves an important function in preparing the stars of tomorrow, he is setting aside his own ego for the good of the business and that ultimatley to me is a positive thing which makes him a valuable talent.

[4th Face of Foley]

It it comes down to who has done more FOR the WWE, a corperation. Its the same as saying who has made more money for the corperation.

Unfortunatly, Thats John Cena.

Kane is underrated, and should've been given a chance to make money for the business, but was never given that shot.

John Cena, brings in $$$ and ultimately thats what the WWE, and any corperation looks at.

Cena puts $$ in ticket sales, merchandise sales, ratings everything.

Its unfortunate, but Cena has done more for the WWE.

Who has done more for the WWE fans who can recognize talent and potential? Kane.

[sports_fan_2007]

ok i couldnt find it the second time but i read tha ppl like HHH would put over a younger talent....do you guys not remember shelton benjamin when he beat H 3 weeks in a row when he went over from smacckdown in the first draft....i mean benjamins push didnt last long but it got him one so to say HHH wont put ppl over is wrong

As for the current debate hands down cena does more for the company....to be in a match with cena basically means in some way ur gettin a push so in order to get a push on the show hes on u have to go through him to get it

[YoYoYumba]

I'm not a Cena fan at all but I will agree that in terms of selling tickets, merchandise etc and getting more kids to tune in which is obviously what the WWE wants at the moment, hence the PG rating, Cena has brought in the money money money. So as far as business goes, which is what Vince Mcmahon is all about, Cena has done more for the WWE and that's why you'll always see him in the main event picture. Now from my point view as a fan, Kane is clearly the better wrestler, his more entertaining, his promo's (when his done them) are alot better and overall to me I like seeing him on WWE tv alot more. Anyway I know this isn't about who you like more so as much as it pains me to say it, Cena done more.......ugh....hated saying that.

[therocksaysyo]

This really gets my blood boiling!!!!!

KANE has done more for WWE than most superstars COMBINED!!!!!

Cena may be the "face of the WWE" right now, but that in NO WAY exceeds all that Kane has done for the company!!!!

Kane is popular as a face or a heel....DESPITE WWE's LACK of CONSISTENCY with his character!!!

Kane has been with WWE in all the ups and downs. He ALWAYS PUTS TALENT OVER. He is a GREAT CHARACTER!

Cena is a nice guy, and he's good at selling merchandise to the kids, BUT KANE has done more for WWE !!!!

[KKarvox]

I'm just going to say this since i'm the obly one who seems to think it, Kane isn't a jobber. He wins a majority of his matches, and when he loses, it's never a squash, even against cena or HHH even, a jobber is someone who is constantly squashed in my opinion, and kane is never squashed, except in his last wrestlemania against Taker, which was a badly worked match. And when he loses to up and comers, it's usually by a. rollup, or b. countout, or even c. dq. Plus, he wins matches all over the place against upper-midcards, MVP, Shelton B., Booker T, CM Punk, Chavo, Mysterio, and he was even put over in his fued against edge, and the list goes on. At least Kane is willing to lose to put people over once in a while, as oppossed to Cena, who has extremely limited in ring abilities, and still wins all over the place. Kane is extremely athletic, and much more convincing in his promos, and has far more in ring ability, and he is a veteran, where Cena isn't any of those. Cena is a great monetary draw, but kane in his hayday drew way more money with his masked memorabilia, everyone i knew had a kane mask including myself. Not discounting cena's draw for the company, because he is the face of the company currently, but in who is better for the bussiness, Kane is definitly the better worker, he more well liked in my opinion, he is by far a better wrestler, and he is better for the company. Cena is a better draw, but honestly he is more of a cancer on the company, with him and HHH on raw, no one else will get a title shot, no developing talent will move up, and people are gonna get sick of this superman gimmick.

[KKarvox]

Plus, after over 10 years of wrestling, Kane is still a far better performer than cena, and can do way more than Cena in the ring. I respect Cena, but him along with HHH and Batista are the new Hogan, Flair, and Warrior of the bussiness, not talented in the ring, but are way over with the crowd, and get special treatment because of it. Where real in ring competitors like Kane, Swagger, Lashley, Shelton B., etc. have and had to deal with short reigns on mediocre titles. I'm not a fan of TNA, but at least they award their great workers with title reigns as oppossed to people who can't wrestle all that great.

[lamo78]

John Cena is okay, but Kane is the man. His feuds with Taker were some of the best feuds in years. When he lost the mask, that was giant. So Katie Vick may not have been the best idea for an angle...

But Kane works every house show there is, and I mean every. He never complains and is one of the best big men in the business as far as athleticism is concerned. How many other big men fly off the top rope with a clothesline?

[TheGreatSPAMbino]

Ok how is this even a fucking question. Clearly John Cena has done way more for the company, Cena has drawn way more money and is much much more over. He is the top guy through and through. Sure Kane has been around for awhile but that doesnt make him more important than the top draw, especially when he has been consistently shoved in the stupidest angles imaginable. Once again, John Cena is more important by far. Another wya to measure this is to look at how much of a business impact there would be if Kane were to end his career right now...little to none, but imagine if Cena ended his career...that would have a hugely negative impact on business in the wwe and don't bother pretending otherwise.

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Kane: He has been with the company since 1995 wrestling under different gimmicks such as Dr. Isaac Yankem and his current gimmick right now. I admire him for his loyality and the awful angles they have put him through and how he managed to stay relatively healthy for the majority of his career. In terms of putting put over, I guess I consider that to hinge on the long-term success of the people he puts over. I can't really name one guy that he has put over. MVP comes to most people's minds but Chris Benoit helped MVP way more than Kane did. He has had many title reigns, most of which are forgettable and he will always be known as "Undertaker's little brother" with half the success of his brother. Kane will probably get into the Hall of Fame (still on the fence about that one) and will be remembered for his place in the company.

John Cena: I loved Cena's rapper gimmick when he first debuted. He put on decent matches with Lesnar, Angle, and Jericho. His popularity began to rise when he turned face around the beginning of 2004 and that is when he won his first singles title. After winning the world title at WM 21, he began to soar. Sure he was criticized for not knowing how to wrestle but he has proved the doubters wrong. He was the man at Hammerstein Ballroom at ONS 2006 and has performed great matches with different wrestlers who work different styles. He is a merchandise machine and his work ethic and determination to be the best has always been praised about by past and current superstars. He has started to elevate younger talent such as Swagger and The Miz and since he is relatively young, there's no telling how much he accomplish and see where he will stand in WWE history when he retires.

All in all, I respect Kane for his loyality and dedication to the business but I would say John Cena has done more for the company. He attracts more of the target audience than Kane and has been a better performer than Kane. John Cena is the best wrestler in the company and Kane has never been anywhere close to that. Kane will be fondly remembered when he retires but more will remember Cena when it is his time.

[GSM]

Who has done more for the WWE ?

That is an easy question which I could answer just as easy but first I´ll try to explain what in my book a worker can do for the WWE.

A worker can actually wotk hard and bust his ass off for the WWE and the entertainment but that doesn´t necessarily mean that he is helping the WWE in any way.

A worker that jobs for the mainevent talent may be someone who can take tih skind of treatment and be what they call a company-guy but is this person really helping the WWE ?

Has Funaki done anything for the WWE that any other wrestler couldn´t have ?
No, he hasn´t.

So what can a worker do ?
He can draw audience and with the audience comes the money.
And who is drawing more money ? Kane or Cena ?
Without a doubt Cena, he is the face of the WWE even if he isn´t around as long as Kane he really has done more for the company than Kane.

[Cheech 72]

I am no John Cena fan by any means but I will say that he is the Hulk Hogan of the new generation. I love Mr.Perfect and he was definetly a better athlete then Hulk Hogan but never achieved Hogan status. The same thing goes with Kane, he may be the veteran and has done alot more in his career then Cena but Cena is the face of WWE now. Like it or not he sells tickets and is the Mega Superstar that Hogan, Austin and Rock once were. I'm not saying he's better then them or Kane but he is currently the Mega face right now on Raw just like Orton is the Mega Heel. Beating Kane now is almost like beating The Great Khali, yeah they are both monsters but pinning them doesn't mean jack. I don't want to compare the two but that's pretty much how it is. 10 years ago beating Kane would be huge because he was a main eventer. Now its different just like I'm sure in 10 years Cena will have the same role.

[Black Snow]

I like Kane much more than I do Cena but I can't in good faith say that Kane has done more. The answer has to be Cena.

All the points made about Kane are valid but at the end of the day he hasn't generated near as much revenue for the company as Cena. A win over Kane just doesn't mean much anymore either. While I appreciate Kane's overall attitude and results in the ring more than I do Cena's Cena is still the big name in WWE and he has been for years.

Cena has done the most for the WWE. Kane has done the most for the business in general. How's that for a compromise?

[The Sign Guy]

There seems to be something here you don't understand, well most of you don't at least. Cena is a drawing power. He has better promos. He gets titles. He is the face of the WWE and is making tons of money. So, Cena must do more for the WWE. Wrong. Cena does more fo them at the moment. Overall, Kane will end up doing more. Who do you think is sown on the mid-card enhancing talent, busting his butt, putting over talent, giving them veteran leadership experience, preparing them for bigger and better things, making them better and more prepared. That would usually be two people. Kane and Shawn Michaels. Two true, loyal, hardworking men who are a testament to this business. Yet HBK is usually in a high-profile fued. That leaves kane. Kane, a man who has paid his dues in this business, who was a star, a champion, probably before Cena ever started training, and has proven to be very over, pretty good on the mic, and most likely a big drawing power. he payed his dues first, has been loyal for a longer time, and has put over talent like crazy, the latter which Cena has not done. Kane should be in the upper-mid card/main event fueds, against people like Triple H, Edge, and Jericho on one show, while Cena should be on the other show in the same spot against Orton, Punk, Miz, Hardy. The fact that creative doesn't use good, over, main event talent is one reason why people look at him at the way they do. But, yet, Kane is happy where he is. Big Nose and You Can't See Me would turn their backs and go off to TNA or ROH if they ended up in Kane's position. Well, maybe not HHH, but you get the idea. And while competitive matches with Kane might not get your career on the map, a fued with him will prepare you for bigger and better things, for the fued(s) that will end up putting you career on the map, plus he'll teach you some stuff, as a veteran lead you, and will give you some credibility because he is over as one of the bigger stars in history, wether any of you want to like it or realize it. Not to mention he can lead the locker room if needed, and probably does, considering his veteran status. So while I will agree with everyone who says that John Cena does more in the present and probably will in the coming years, Kane will mean more in the long run, because Cena isn't the one who wrestled them, put them over, gave them credibility, gave them leadership and veteran experience, and prepared them for future fueds and better things. Kane is.

[slimmshady]

Personally, I feel as though kane has done more for the wwe than cena in terms of laying the platform for making what wwe is today. During the olden days, wcw almost destroyed the wwf in every way in terms of the ratings and overall match popularity. Ever since the introduction of the nWo, wcw was living its prime days. But even through these hard times, a small group of talented wrestlers stood by the wwe and arguably, single-handedly made wwe into a global phenomenon. Kane, undertaker, HHH, the rock, austin, angle are just a few that stood by the wwe in the really bad times. Their popularity caused the birth of a new age for the wwe - the attitude era. In this period ratings sky rocketed and vince's life long dream was finally accomplished. So really, if it wasn't for the likes of kane and the others, cena would have never been as successful as he is till this day. And I feel that the current wwe has forgotten that. Don't get me wrong, I fully respect the amount of hard work cena has done to get to this position, but he wouldn't be making this much revenue for the company if it wasn't already established in the world.
Having said that, what really pisses me off is that we hear several interviews with cena in which he has a go at the rock. He says how the rock has betrayed the company and that he would never do that. But the fact of the matter is, he would have left the company years ago if he wasn't as successful as he has become. Now I could understand he mentions this topic once or twice but he constantly babbles on every time he is asked the question. So really cena is doing nothing but picking the fruits from a tree that has already grown from its roots.

[Champycakes]

One thing that I think a lot of people overlook is that a win over a guy that jobs all the time isn't really going to do anything. Let's look at Triple H, for example. Everyone always whines and complains about how he never puts anyone over, he wins all the time, blah blah blah etc. etc. But look at the few times he has put people over. He solidified John Cena as a true star and a fighting champion. He put over Randy Orton's punt as truly devastating, and to this day, Orton is one of only two men who has ever put Triple H on a stretcher. Not to mention the fact that he basically created Batista. All these losses really helped these guys to get to the level they're at now, and they meant something in the long run.

Now, when Kane puts someone over, when has it had an effect like that? I really want someone to give me an example of when Kane has helped make someone's career. The thing people have trouble seeing is that Kane really can't make anyone's career, because he's just not a big enough deal to do so. The guy's over and pretty respected, but honestly, he's never really been a main eventer. And until you get to that top tier level, you're not doing as much for the company as a Cena.

[JKO]

Cena has definitely done more than Kane. Kane isn't worthless to the WWE, but he hasn't done more than Cena. Cena has made the WWE money, and he can definitely make the younger talent look good (see Swagger and Miz). Kane has done alot for the WWE, but nowadays it really isn't a big deal to get a victory over Kane. Cena basically carried Raw for a year, and has come back from injury early to entertain. Cena has sold tickets, merchandise, and pay-per-view buys, and has helped the WWE in ratings. I'll just put it this way: When it's time for them to be inducted into the Hall Of Fame, Cena will be Steve Austin and Kane will be Koko B. Ware. Cena is one of the hardest-working indivuals in wrestling, but so is Kane, however Cena have just helped the company out overall more than Kane.

[TheTruNoLimit]

Did MVP even go over Kane? All I really remember from their feud is MVP running like a bitch after Kane lit his ass on fire. And that definitely didn't help get him over. On the contrary, it made him look like a joke and like he couldn't compete with Kane.

I still can't think of anyone else who Kane's truly put over. He's jobbed to a lot of guys, but it really hasn't done anything for them. Kofi Kingston pulled off an "upset" over Kane earlier this year, and he's still in the same spot now that he was back then. Hell, Kane squashed Chavo Guerrero in eight seconds last year at WrestleMania. I'm sure Chavo appreciates that.

Kane didn't turn MVP into a John Cena level star, but that's not Kane's fault. MVP just isn't a John Cena level star, and yes, MVP went over Kane numerous times during their 3 month long feud a few years ago. MVP beat Kane in a street fight and in a steel cage. MVP at the start of the feud was a little bitch who people mocked and jeered and chanted "Power Ranger" at. By the time the feud was over, sure they might have still been calling him a "Power Ranger" but MVP was solidified as a VERY legitimate mid-card THREAT that pushed him to a feud with Benoit. The feud with Benoit would've never happened had he not gotten so over thanks to Kane. Add that to the fact that the Kane/MVP rivalry was hyped just as much as the Undertaker/Kennedy rivalry, and it led to MVP not just being in the ring with Kane but also with Taker and I think that Kane was definitely the superstar who put MVP on the map.

Also, Kane was THE catalyst for pushing Khali. Kane gave Khali the biggest push of his life. Khali isn't a huge star, but Kane was the one who put him over at Wrestlemania. After that, that was the win the pushed him into dominating Raw and a main event run against Cena, and eventually a World Title win. And after Khali won the World Title, Kane was the one who LEGITIMIZED Khali as World Champion. He took the fall to put Khali over in the triple threat match at the Bash. Batista certainly didn't. Kane put Khali over cleanly again in a Smackdown! main event over the Summer, where again, Batista never put Khali over cleanly and then Batista just wound up winning the title from him.

So that's 2 guys in the last few years who I can say Kane really benefitted. Kane put MVP on the map. Kane gave Khali the best run of his life.

[TheTruNoLimit]

One thing that I think a lot of people overlook is that a win over a guy that jobs all the time isn't really going to do anything. Let's look at Triple H, for example. Everyone always whines and complains about how he never puts anyone over, he wins all the time, blah blah blah etc. etc. But look at the few times he has put people over. He solidified John Cena as a true star and a fighting champion. He put over Randy Orton's punt as truly devastating, and to this day, Orton is one of only two men who has ever put Triple H on a stretcher. Not to mention the fact that he basically created Batista. All these losses really helped these guys to get to the level they're at now, and they meant something in the long run.

Now, when Kane puts someone over, when has it had an effect like that? I really want someone to give me an example of when Kane has helped make someone's career. The thing people have trouble seeing is that Kane really can't make anyone's career, because he's just not a big enough deal to do so. The guy's over and pretty respected, but honestly, he's never really been a main eventer. And until you get to that top tier level, you're not doing as much for the company as a Cena.

HHH puts over his buddies, it's well documented. That's why he's put over Orton and Batista and Michaels and he put over Cena because it just HAD to be done because Cena is a bigger star than HHH. When it comes to putting over someone that isn't close in HHH's circle, we all know what happens. Other than Shelton Benjamin and Chris Benoit 5 years ago, when was the last time HHH put over anyone that should've went over? He has made a career of burying guys who are on the verge of breaking out or who are needing a big win.

[Raw Power]

Why should Cena have to put people over atm? Hogan and Austin, at the top of their games, never did. It defeats the point of having a top star if they job - you need a couple of people to be booked as the best - otherwise everyone just looks average.