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Spunky
05-17-2009, 07:18 AM
Now some of you may think " WHAT THE FUCK?".

The reason being is apart from the "Mark out" moment, What do we, Or the company get for giving them both a huge pay day?

Right so I know the PPV would get extra buy rates, But would Vinnie Mac reap the seed he would sew? Probably not, I bet both of them would get at least a high end 6 figure sum. So the buy rates would cover one of the salaries.

On the PPV we would get the entrances, And then the 15 minute show/pose down (markout).

Then we would get a crappy match between a + 50 year old man, And a semi cripple, That would last all of ten minutes, Probably because neither could last the long without puking out their lungs.

Then there would be an empty feeling, Because no one would be put over, As neither of them would be with the company after the match. So it probably isn't the most logical thing to do.

Blade
05-17-2009, 07:28 AM
I totally agree. A match between the 2 would be utterly pointless for the fans. 2 guys who are past their prime and have screwed up bodies, 1 hilariously so, going at it just doesn't scream "classic" to me.

There'd only be 3 parts of it worth seeing, the stare down which would be shorter than everyone thinks due to the fact that Austin never liked stare downs and would just start hitting Hogan after a minute of staring, Austin kicking out of the Leg Drop and the inevitable 7-years-in-the-making stunner. Those would be the only mark out worth moments within the match, and they total to about 2 minutes out of something that would be at least 15 minutes long.

What would be better is Hogan doing a promo on Raw, Austin coming out, the have a verbal battle for a while, Hogan says something bitchy, Austin hits him, they go at it for a minute or so, and it ends with a stunner. That would be infinately more enjoyable than watching a full match between the two.

The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh
05-17-2009, 09:52 AM
I agree as well. The match wouldn' be good in any way, shape or form and it Vince would be paying out the ass for both of them to do it, and then you'd have all the bullshit about how it goes down.

Randy Orton may be happy to lose to Hogan when the guy can barely walk, but SC definitely wouldn't.

The only Hogan match i've enjoyed since he returned to WWE qwas him and Vince at WM19 (although i've not seen Hogan v HBK), and i wouldn't want to watch him wrestle against Austin who obviously wouldn't be 100% and has nearly 5 years worth of ring rust to shake off.

Yeah, there's no way i'd pay to watch that match

FallenAngelV2
05-17-2009, 11:52 AM
What would be better is Hogan doing a promo on Raw, Austin coming out, the have a verbal battle for a while, Hogan says something bitchy, Austin hits him, they go at it for a minute or so, and it ends with a stunner. That would be infinately more enjoyable than watching a full match between the two.

I like your idea, but why not make a buyrate off of it. Here's an idea. Similar to when Roddy Piper hosted Piper's Pit at Wrestlemania 21 with Austin. Have Piper or somebody else with an in-ring show (Carlito, Edge, Christian, MVP, ect.) set-up a show at mania with Austin and Hogan as their guests. Then you could get the entrances, the verbal throwdown, then the short physical beatdown. Fans get all they want and don't have to sit through a terrible match. I know an in-ring interview segment might not do as well as a match drawing wise, it would still do pretty well imo.

The Deejish Invasion
05-17-2009, 12:12 PM
The fact is that people could have seen this during the start of the brand extension Austin and Hogan where around on different brands but the WWE chose The Rock vs Hogan instead, this was at the time where austin could have had one match and Hogan could have had a good run against austin but either way the WWE did not choose to go that route (I have no idea why).

At this point Hogan vs Austin cant happen, neither man is in the right shape to actually wrestle, Hogan and Austin are both really banged up and both have no business in the ring, so either way I guess its best just to let the WWE go the route that they need to and establish young stars instead of attempting to live in the past.

rko2779
05-17-2009, 01:30 PM
I'm pretty sure Austin-Hogan would suck ass. Neither of them would be willing to do the JOB, so we would get some cheap shitty ending to the mach. Plus I don't want to see Hogan in the ring any more anyway. Way past it.

Esteban Ochocinco
05-17-2009, 01:35 PM
The reason why you do Austin vs. Hogan, simple, people care about it.

People that grew up in the 80's, and watched in the 90's see wrestling as these two guys. There is a reason the business has declined since these two have disappeared, because the business has failed to create stars taht were as polarizing as these two.

What happens when you put Steve Austin vs. Hulk Hogan on pay per view, you hope to hell that the WWE is competent enough to build a solid under card around that match, showcasing the best of the company and cut out on all of the filler bullshit. Austin vs. Hogan is going to draw, regardless of what today's fan feel about those two wrestling. The hope would be that the WWE is able to keep the people that are tuning into watch Hogan vs. Austin interested in the modern stars.

Greenlight13
05-17-2009, 01:53 PM
It would be pointless because no-one in the world would buy any result that differed from Austin slapping the piss out of Hogan and kicking his ass in 5 minutes flat. I know Austin is a "semi-cripple", but no move Hogan is still capable of doing would harm Austin's neck, so he'd be more than able to run rough-shot over Hogan without breaking a sweat. A few years ago maybe, but now? Hell to the no.

Gabbo
05-17-2009, 03:06 PM
The fact is that people could have seen this during the start of the brand extension Austin and Hogan where around on different brands but the WWE chose The Rock vs Hogan instead, this was at the time where austin could have had one match and Hogan could have had a good run against austin but either way the WWE did not choose to go that route (I have no idea why).


Austin was being a dick stage and throwing his weight around, so he got punished with the match with Hall whilst Rock got the big match with Hogan at 'Mania.

People moaning about no-one being put over is silly, smarks need to stop worrying around new stars being made constantly and just enjoy the match for what it is. The crowd reaction and atmosphere would carry them to a decent match IMO.

snowdogg438
05-17-2009, 03:23 PM
The reason why you do Austin vs. Hogan, simple, people care about it.

People that grew up in the 80's, and watched in the 90's see wrestling as these two guys.

I've been watching wrestling since 85 and I don't care about either of these men, and I certainly don't see wrestling as these two guys.

To boil down an entire era to one man is incredibly short sighted and misguided. There was more to wrestling in the 80s and early 90s then Hogan. Hogan didn't draw me to wrestling, and Hogan didn't make me want to watch wrestling, if anything Hogan made me want to watch less when he was around.

As far as Austin, I gave up on him as soon as he morphed into Stone Cold Steve Austin. He stopped being a wrestler and started playing to the crowd for their support. You can say he was an anti-hero but everyone knows he was trying to get the fans backing from the beginning.

Hogan wasn't the 80s to me, and Austin wasn't the attitude era for me, so no I wouldn't want to see this match because even if they were still in there prime a 20 minute brawl back and forth with both men hitting their finishes would bore the crap out of me.

This is along the same lines of the misguided marks that keep pushing for a Rock vs. Cena match

DhA
05-17-2009, 03:41 PM
This match would also requirea ridiculous suspesnison of belief - how are we supposed to believe these two guys are legitametly fighting each other, and how are we supposed to believe Austin can't beat a much older man? Not to mention Hogan's over the top babyface characetr against Austin's "badass" one - cross generational matches still need to be believable - can you imagine Ultimate Warrior fueding with a realistic guy like Cena or Orton?

The Deejish Invasion
05-17-2009, 04:09 PM
Austin was being a dick stage and throwing his weight around, so he got punished with the match with Hall whilst Rock got the big match with Hogan at 'Mania.

People moaning about no-one being put over is silly, smarks need to stop worrying around new stars being made constantly and just enjoy the match for what it is. The crowd reaction and atmosphere would carry them to a decent match IMO.

So according to you, youd have A card full of old timers who cant wrestle and forget about building stars of tomorrow, yeah that sounds tempting :lmao: the fact is that It would of been a good idea back when the brand extension flourished because neither austin or Hogan where doing anythng that important and a big payday for both would of been great.

Also Austin was not dicking around, he stated nurmerous times that he didnt want to wrestle and do the job to Lesner on free tv, which is something i agree on the fact is Austin could of put lesner over on PPV instead of for free would have helped elevate Lesner more instead of one match on Raw like it was nothing, with no build, no promos nothing, next time do some research.

Blade
05-17-2009, 05:49 PM
Austin was being a dick stage and throwing his weight around, so he got punished with the match with Hall whilst Rock got the big match with Hogan at 'Mania.


Excuse me? Where did that twisted version of events come from?

Simply put, Austin by that point was practically untouchable. He was too high profile for them to punish him, even with a punishment as lame as having a match with Hall instead of Hogan. If anything, WWE would've been trying to do anything they could to keep Austin in the company (i.e. not punishing him) because he was thinking about leaving then.

What everyone else says happened is that Austin was supposed to take on Hogan, but said he didn't want to because of Hogan's refusal to put people over years ago. This version of events makes alot more sense, since it would imply that WWE changed the match to appease Austin so he'd stay.

Also, a match with Scott Hall doesn't sound like much a punishment at all to me. Alot of people would've loved to wrestle Hall before he ended up like he has.

ECDublegend
05-17-2009, 08:20 PM
I think this match would depend on the way people want to see it. I understand that both men are completely past their primes, but they are two of the biggest legends and well-known names in the history of wrestling. whether or not you like the idea of the match, I think I can speak for a lot of people when I say that I'd still buy the PPV that the match would be on, due to names that would be going against each other. We've already seen SCSA vs. The Rock numerous times and The Rock vs. Hogan, but SCSA vs. Hogan is one match that people would still want to see. The ringwork would probably suck and creative would have to think of a finish that wouldn't piss off either of them, but with a good hype and lots of promos, I could see this match providing one the biggest buy-rates that WWE has seen in a longtime, and Vince is known to be all about the money, so I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to convince both men to work the match. I'm a big fan of both these men and I think they helped carry the WWE through decades of wrestling and have left their mark in the wrestling world, and I think the fans should see this match before both men get to old to even walk out to the ring

MetaphoriK
05-18-2009, 12:55 AM
I think it would be a terrible match the only thing that would hold it together is the nostalgic feel and the two eras looking each other in the eye, hogan flexing and doing his poses while austin just flips him off.

maar130
05-18-2009, 03:55 AM
If this match had possibilities at Wrestlemania XIX, And either guy would be willing to" just have a great match does not matter who wins" attitude, I would have love to see it. But right now it will be shameful for both of them, Hogan can barely move on his own and well, Austin neck is still fucked up. Personally I won't like to see Hogan breaking his butt attempting that pathetic leg drop of his.

The time has passed a long time ago, so this match would suck big time.