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hArdymAriomArk
05-05-2009, 07:26 AM
Do you think anyone could or will debut into the main event? Kind of like Kane or Lesnar. What are your thoughts on the idea of trying to do this with someone or think the WWE ever would?

Blade
05-05-2009, 08:05 AM
It would need to be someone who was big in TNA or absolutely massive in the indys or posssibly japan.
I don't think fans would accept a rookie in the main event these days due to their loyalty for the current main eventers, they wouldn't want a guy they haven't watched the evolution of shoved down their throats. Hell, they didn't even like Cena being shoved down their throats after only 4 years in the company. In 2002, there was very few clear cut, reliable main eventers, so the fans accepted Lesnar. So today it would only happen if WWE found an extremely talented guy who has already become become big elsewhere and they put effort into promoting him with vignettes or a viral ad campaign. Then it's up to the fans whether they accept some new guy who is being presented to them going toe to toe with and possibly going over some of their most beloved wrestlers.

The_Phoenix
05-05-2009, 08:32 AM
I think they could have pulled something off with Hade Vansen if that angle didn't get scrapped after one promo. From that one promo I feel like the character would actually have suited some sort of viral marketing campaign. I heard rumors he was supposed to work with Taker right off the bat, which is a massive rub to get if booked properly. I could have seen Vansen doing well considering that his promo proved he had mic skills.

As for someone coming over from TNA, Hernandez. If he were ever to jump ship, he's got the look and the move set to be pushed as an unstoppable force for damn sure. The guy has charisma (which Lesnar lacked) and is shockingly fast and agile for a big guy (which Kane hasn't been in a long time). Just a thought.

Indies? Eh, would have to be a heavyweight for sure. Matt Sydal/Evan Bourne is an indy legend and even he started out on the "C" show. As did CM Punk. Colt Cabana from what I understand at least has a decent indy following. My point is that indy reputation isn't really something that Vince particularly cares for. He likes homegrown WWE talent. Which is why, IMO, he takes prime indy competitors and starts them out in the basement below the ladder to the main event. It makes casual fans believe and makes the performers look like they have grown as athletes on Vince's terms, not their own.

Y 2 Jake
05-05-2009, 08:51 AM
I don't see it happening again. WWE just don't trust any of those new guys coming up. Even Lesnar didn't work straight away. It was a match with The Rock in which he won the title that made him look like world title material. Without Hayman he probably would have been a total failure.

The best option has always been mid card Undertaker. It would have worked for Hade Vansen and it would have worked for Mordecai. Heidenreich? Fuck you, I'm making a point here.

The D-Man
05-05-2009, 10:26 AM
It all depends on if the WWE gets their hands on a freakish talent like the Undertaker. Someone who has wrestled on the Indy circuit and has amazing size, agility, wrestling ability, mic skills, and a great look. (Or if some movie star or professional athletic figure crossed over and had some phenomenal skills.)

When we look at the current WWE roster, they have a lot of amazing wrestlers, but most of them are missing one of those elements. So, they need to be brought in, cut their teeth in the business, and work their way up the totem pole.

So, my answer is that I can see it happening again, but not anytime soon.

Debisibmania
05-05-2009, 11:13 AM
They tried doing this pretty recently with a few guys... Umaga debuted as a jobber squasher but within months he was being used to destroy the main eventers at Vinnie Macs suggestion.

How bout koslov? HE was immediately thrown into the main event... he squashed then got moved to fight the big guys. If you move into the main event as a rookie it just doest work...

They are building up theyre stars now cuz they see the failures they tried to do this with... LESNAR LEFT, LASHLEY BECAME USELESS, KOSLOV GOT DEMOTED TO ECW... and umaga has just been injured for so long that we dont knoww bout him rly... but he did fight for the WWE title within months of debuting against Cena... it happens...
it just doesnt rly work

RKO18
05-05-2009, 01:19 PM
I think Umaga's push worked pretty well. maybe he went for the world title too fast but he has had some amazing matches with Cena at RR07 and with Jeff Hardy at GAB 07. What made him work was that he was put over CLEAN by numerous upper mid-carders for months and before long he was looked at as legitimate.
With Kozlov the bottom line is that he has ZERO charisma and he had no mouthpiece to back him. That was the biggest mistake that they could have made because he is a great talent. Now he is on the farm show and it wont be long before he is putting Christian over.
The next instant main eventer will come from FCW and will most likely be another monster heel

mkaisking
05-05-2009, 02:30 PM
I think the main event scene is too populated for anyone to come straight in and smash the shit out of it like big show (1st time) Kane or anyone else did qwhen htey first debuted. Can you honestly see the wwe ending the orton/trips story line with a new superstar, or any other current wwe storyline? iuts not hte way it works anymore people have to work their way to hte upper mid card and wait....

S prince
05-05-2009, 03:10 PM
debuting into the main event puts too much pressure on that wrestler to perform. if he doesn't live up to the hype or expectations from the people back stage, and the fans don't buy into it right off the bat..strong change he'll flame out within 3-4 months.

bxbigshow
05-05-2009, 06:51 PM
Just keep in mind, Kane/Taker/Umaga were not rookies when they debuted for Vince. Taker and Kane had a great story to go along with their debut. DiBiase and Paul Bearer were the mouthpieces. Youmainga (thanks Regal) was already respected for his 3 Minute Warning stuff as Jamal, but they couldn't talk (Bich was they're m.piece). So for him to do the 3MW squash stuff and NOT HAVE to talk...worked.

Lesnar + Heyman + Sqaushing a well beloved Hardy x 2= MONSTER PUSH!!!

I think with the sucess of ECW, WWE doesn't need to throw someone into Raw/SD! brand spankin new anymore. Look at CM Punk, Morrison, Swagger (especially). You can throw them into that fire for a year and see if they can prove themselves. If so you'll move up. I honsetly think Swagger will be a major part of Raw next year.

The Deejish Invasion
05-05-2009, 07:06 PM
Just keep in mind, Kane/Taker/Umaga were not rookies when they debuted for Vince. Taker and Kane had a great story to go along with their debut. DiBiase and Paul Bearer were the mouthpieces. Youmainga (thanks Regal) was already respected for his 3 Minute Warning stuff as Jamal, but they couldn't talk (Bich was they're m.piece). So for him to do the 3MW squash stuff and NOT HAVE to talk...worked.

Lesnar + Heyman + Sqaushing a well beloved Hardy x 2= MONSTER PUSH!!!

I think with the sucess of ECW, WWE doesn't need to throw someone into Raw/SD! brand spankin new anymore. Look at CM Punk, Morrison, Swagger (especially). You can throw them into that fire for a year and see if they can prove themselves. If so you'll move up. I honsetly think Swagger will be a major part of Raw next year.

This is a sound statement if i ever heard one, the fact is that main eventers in other companies are not main eventers in the wwe anymore, Vince sees the WWE as the be all and end all of professional wrestling (Sports Entertainment in his mind) he will not push anyone that hasnt been developed by the WWE themselves, look at guys such as marcus corvon or CM PUNK both debuted in seperate companies, both repackaged to work the WWE style, they wouldnt allow them to do what they did in the indies that made them famous, Punk will always be super over no matter what and the marks always mark out but Punk had to prove himself, and ECW allowed him to do that, same for Morrison who was a tough enough champion beforehand but still was sent to developmental and made tow appearences in the main roster as Johnny Nitro, the wwe wont allow anyone to just come in and squash their guys because they may just do a goldberg and leave and to tell you the truth you dont want an ego like that dominating your company just to make a paycheck.