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thelcon21
04-12-2009, 08:36 PM
Is it me or was this the worse sibling rivalry yet? Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart, Undertaker vs. Kane and Edge vs. Christian seemed to have something that the Matt vs. Jeff match didn't and I can't put my finger on what.
Bret vs. Owen you felt the real hatred and jealousy in Owen and how Bret really didn't want to wrestle him. They wrestled a great match at Wrestlemania and a cage match later that summer for the WWF title.
Undertaker vs. Kane had a few good matches at Wrestlemania and even though they're not really brothers in real life the storyline made this into a real rivalry. Even though Undertaker always beat Kane.
Edge and Christian (also not really brothers) was weak compared too the other two I just mentioned but at least the storyline had a purpose. The two of them wrestled as a tag team for years and their feud was used to make them legit singles wrestlers. I would say this worked because Edge is the best heel in the WWE.
Jeff vs. Matt really was lacking something. Their two matches were okay but not great. Was this feud used to make Matt a main eventer, because Jeff is already one? I'm really hoping they separate them with one going to Raw and one staying on Smackdown. Any thoughts?
colalella2891
04-12-2009, 09:42 PM
I disagree I like it. Also it's rising both Jeff and Matt closer to the top as contenders, especially Matt..
Rorschach
04-12-2009, 09:49 PM
While this did help Matt Hardy rise a little in card status, this storyline wasn't meant for him, it just sort of happened because it was originally suppose to be for Christian, but the Vinnie Mac thought the IWC spoiled too much and that Christian would not fit in the main event scene. That's the reason it sucked, for lack of a better term. There wasn't much real build; a rivalry of this magnitude needs a long and slow uprising, just like Undertaker Vs Kane, Christian Vs Edge, and Bret Vs Owen. It was not spontaneus nor a temporary thing. Something along those lines.
"Cool Guy" Jensen
04-12-2009, 10:17 PM
I like the fued, but I understand why you think it's lacking in something. If Vince McMahon had wanted Matt Hardy to be the culprit of all of Jeff Hardy's attacks from the beginning, then the fued could have gradually happened, but it didn't. Due to the fact that Christian was supposed to be the culprit, but it kept leaking onto the internet, the Matt vs. Jeff fued was just rushed and not thoroughly planned out.
You can actually compare the Matt vs. Jeff fued with the Bret vs. Owen fued. Matt and Owen both felt jealous of their brother's success and just wanted to take all their frustrations out on them. Also you had Bret and Jeff not wanting to fight their brother, but then got pushed to do it... same with Undertaker. I can actually see some similarities between this fued and other brother vs. brother fueds. But I did lack a little of the build-up it needed.
Many we can see a good Cody Rhodes/Goldust fued or maybe we can have one or both of Ted DiBiase's brothers come to WWE and fued. Even Evan Bourne has a brother who's a wrestler, but sibling fueds... not always good.
jamesland77
04-12-2009, 10:48 PM
I think a lot of the problem is this is a main event level feud, but Management is giving it Mid-card level time. When a match, especially an extreme rules match, which needs time to build is only given 13 minutes...its going to feel rushed and dead. If WWE wants to fix this, they need to start having real weekly promos (a la a title match) (obviously they can do that cuz they did it for Jericho) and than give the match at a PPV some serious time to work with.
rowdy ruben
04-13-2009, 01:03 AM
i tottaly agree. i think its due to the fact that wwe has had so many brother rivals that we are tired of them. the hardy's are no bret nd owen hart nd this feud is pointless nd awful to watch
Scott Free
04-13-2009, 08:06 AM
Jeff vs. Matt really was lacking something. Their two matches were okay but not great. Was this feud used to make Matt a main eventer, because Jeff is already one? I'm really hoping they separate them with one going to Raw and one staying on Smackdown. Any thoughts?
I've always said this feud was to take Jeff down and not bring Matt up. According to the angle, Matt assaulted, attempted to maim, burned his house down and killed Jeff's dog, I'd call those more heinous actions than merely hurting someone's wife. Yet, the Hardy's feud is not worthy of a PPV main event, how logic. Now they had Matt bury Jeff twice, and I say bury because they made it clear that it is Jeff's reckless style that caused his loses, with a possible payoff of yet another mid-card match between them at Backlash where I predict Matt will again go over. The feud is a waste of time. After it is done, Jeff will remain popular and Matt will go back to being his own uncharismatic self in mid-card unless they have him get some wins over someone other than his brother, which I believe they won't.
RawIsRamsey
04-13-2009, 08:13 AM
I think the problem with this feud is that it isn't over a title. Bret/Owen eventually turned into a feud for the title, Edge/Christian was over the IC title, Taker/Kane eventually went into title territory...this feud was just rushed at the end, but had a great slow burn to the actual match. I guess it's leaving a bad taste in my mouth because the babyface never got his comupance...Jeff took two straight losses in gimmick matches withing a week and it's looking as if the feud is being blown off that way...no babyface triumphant at any point. This does, however, put the spotlight on the better Hardy, so I can't complain as far as that goes, but for a feud, it started kinda cold, then went white hot, then crapped out at the end. Neither a hit nor a miss.
Oh, and is it me, or does it look like Mattsy-Poo has been hittin' the juice? He's been noticably bigger the last few shows...maybe it's him switching to actual ring gear instead of cargo pants and a t-shirt that's just throwing me off.
Uncle Sam
04-13-2009, 08:19 AM
For me, this the best sibling rivalry yet. Is it a classic? No. But classics are few and far between. If they weren't, they wouldn't be classics. Actually, they might be. Probably not though.
Sure, Matt Hardy can't cut a promo without using the word "extreme" about 72 times. Yeah, Jeff is a massive spot monkey. However, for me Hardy/Hardy was the match of WrestleMania. The Stretcher Match was also highly... highly... uh, awesome. The spot where Jeff missed the Swanton was sick. Best Stretcher Match I've ever seen. Shame Todd Grisham can't call a match for shit.
Sibling rivalries are usually shit, but this one actually entertains me. It's actually sold me on both brothers - and that's quite something.
PhoenixBuster
04-13-2009, 12:56 PM
This feud COULD still turn out to be great. However, with it being apparently nipped in the bud, it kills all purpose of it. The build was weak, the time between their gimmick matches was nonexistent, Jeff has lost both of them. Really, they billed the 'Mania match as this big grandiose event and then, as said before, the match was given a mere 13 minutes. I'm sorry, but you've got to be much bigger stars than the Hardys to make a classic feud culminate in 13 minutes. I really wanted to see this be another of the good sibling rivalries, but WWE dropped the ball and it turned into a disappointment. I'd love to see it continue and actually get somewhere but apparently that isn't the situation with those backstage. Mildly upsetting to me.
Scott Free
04-13-2009, 01:36 PM
This feud COULD still turn out to be great. However, with it being apparently nipped in the bud, it kills all purpose of it. The build was weak, the time between their gimmick matches was nonexistent, Jeff has lost both of them. Really, they billed the 'Mania match as this big grandiose event and then, as said before, the match was given a mere 13 minutes. I'm sorry, but you've got to be much bigger stars than the Hardys to make a classic feud culminate in 13 minutes. I really wanted to see this be another of the good sibling rivalries, but WWE dropped the ball and it turned into a disappointment. I'd love to see it continue and actually get somewhere but apparently that isn't the situation with those backstage. Mildly upsetting to me.
I thought it was a match that wasn't wanted by many fans, it didn't get heat, it got revulsion. Worse of all, they advertised an EXTREME match, and at the first drop of blood from Matt, they had someone clean it up immediately, gee, I don't seem to recall anyone toweling Orton's blood off during his match with Shane...well, anyway, I'd be glad as hell if they dropped the whole thing already, only WWE apologists approved of that feud, apparently, to them, after Matt buries Jeff to go on and feud with Hornswaggle it's a step up for him.
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Uncle Sam
04-13-2009, 01:41 PM
People seriously don't like the feud? No, wait, that doesn't surprise me. What surprises me is that people are saying it's terrible.
It really isn't. At least it isn't lately. Yeah, it started off slow. We got an incredibly obvious heel turn (although some people claimed to be incredibly surprised - go figure). We then got a few weeks of OKish Matt Hardy promos and him just interfering randomly in Jeff's matches. I still wouldn't call that bad.
We had a much bigger pay-off than expected at WrestleMania. Jeff tried his best to kill himself and didn't fail by much. More importantly, Matt somehow put himself over. In the process, I was actually sold on both brothers. I have been immensely cynical about them in the past.
If the Stretcher Match is the last match we see between them for a while, I'll be satisfied with the feud. Matt went over, but Jeff didn't look weak in the slightest.
This has been a great feud.
smalltownfan
04-13-2009, 02:38 PM
I read a report that the Stretcher Match this past week on Smackdown between the Hardys will wrap up this storyline which is sad and I hope it's not true. This feud just got started and I think will hit its peak in the future if WWE allows it. I want this to go on a lot longer and maybe end at Survivor Series (how fitting) with the two going at it in either a Hell in a Cell match or a loser-leaves-town Ladder match. Either way, if it is indeed over, it ended way too soon.
I.R.S was ace
04-13-2009, 02:52 PM
I was happy with most of the feud and thought Matt came out looking good. He cut some decent promos after his heel turn and showed a mean streak.
The match at Wrestlemania whilst not great wasn't garbage, perhaps a bit to much high spots but it gave Matt a much needed win whilst letting Jeff not look weak.
The stretcher match between the two was a good match and if it is the blowoff to the feud it means they will be on other shows after the draft.
Depending on where the brothers go once the feud is finished will say whether the WWE got the feud correct, however I feel as though Jeff should have got the win in the final match (Despite the fact I think Matt's better) as he is supposed to be the person who has been wronged. So having Matt screw Jeff over then for Jeff not to get any revenge doesn't make any sense.
Yeah, you're not the only one who feels this storyline isn't as good as previous sibling storylines. It was rushed and happened too soon. A Matt/Jeff feud wouldn't be bad later on down the road, but not right now. Matt's not over enough. And a lot of people find Matt Hardy just boring. I know I used to. So, that's one issue. Another thing is that it was rushed. Things came together fine, but they just happened too soon and didn't have time to gain steam. It had all the things you need, just the timing was off by a little bit.
Phoenix
04-13-2009, 04:32 PM
I think the part that did make it fall abit was that their match at Wrestlemania wasn't a standard singles match. Yes, the Extreme Rules match was great, but the feud would have a longer lasting feel had the match been one-on-one.
Additionally, they messed up the first Hardy feud with Vengeance, so they made up and feuded with Undertaker and Brock Lesnar.
They're had two great matches so far, I just think because the matches are usually feud enders, it kills the momentum. What could be done is a possible break-away for now and then resume later? Prob fail anyway.
schaeffershawn
04-13-2009, 06:24 PM
Matt came out looking like gold, but what this storyline has lacked was the emotion it takes to carry a match. I know people will disagree but Jeff even after a title reign is a glorified spot monkey. Matt is a better story teller and that has shown, but It takes a lot to bring jeff to a great feud. Yeah he can have good one off matches, but his feuds for whatever reason, be it poor booking, poor opponents, or lack of ability never carry their weight.
Jason Riptide
04-13-2009, 06:37 PM
Matt came out looking like gold, but what this storyline has lacked was the emotion it takes to carry a match. I know people will disagree but Jeff even after a title reign is a glorified spot monkey. Matt is a better story teller and that has shown, but It takes a lot to bring jeff to a great feud. Yeah he can have good one off matches, but his feuds for whatever reason, be it poor booking, poor opponents, or lack of ability never carry their weight.
Maybe Jeff himself is that X-factor that makes none of his own feuds work...
ulimate123
04-13-2009, 06:56 PM
I think everything was done right up until the Wrestlemania match. It was a good match but I doubt anyone will talk about it in the future unlike Undertaker/Kane and the bret brothers. I think the reason why the match was not a 'classic' is because it wasn't given enough time and also because of the fact that it didn't really tell a story in the ring. This was supposed to be the first time Matt and Jeff really got their hands on each other and all what the match was, was a spot-fest and thats it. Although it was a good match it wasn't a classic that we will be talking about in the future. Also the stretcher match was awesome for a smackdown! match but apprently creative have decided to end this angle and TBH it could have been one of the best rivalries of the year.
Chris in SC
04-13-2009, 07:56 PM
This feud had alot of potential, but just didn't generate the heat for me that it could have.
I think alot of it had to do with the fact that WM was over-booked and the match was rushed. As noted earlier, there was no real story-telling in that match to keep this thing going. The stretcher match was entertaining, but again didnt' have the intensity that a feud like this should.
I think that since this was a stop-gap feud, creative went straight to the extreme and stretcher matches to wrap it up quickly. Basically short-cut to the end.
Considering that it was put together hastily as a reaction to the IWC catching on to the Christian plan, it was ok. The feud did what it was supposed to do, it kept both guys busy until the draft and new storylines are launched. Plus, even though the score is 2-0 Matt, Jeff didn't get buried by this.
I just wish we could have gone without Kid Rock and the diva battle-royal to allow this (and HHH-Orton) to have been worked better at WM.
Overall, it's been decent but not great.
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