As Long As HHH Is Around, A Cena/Hardy Feud Is Inevitable

[τδιγλε]

Congratulations, WWE! You have impressed this cynical and grouchy fan by doing what I thought impossible: making the Road To Wrestlemania "Must See TV." Well, honestly, I'm not that happy with the Cena/Edge feud, as I feel it was just a slapdash effort to put the pieces back together after having to dismantle your rosters for the sake of the HHH/Orton feud. However, the HHH/Orton feud is looking to be magical; it was perfectly and logically planned and it is being built up slowly and smoothly while at the same time remaining extremely intense. Oh, the payoff's going to be wonderful!

But, what's going to happen after Wrestlemania? What are you going to do about Jeff Hardy, the guy you had to put the WWE Championship on just so his diehard fans (of which, judging from the live audiences, there are quite a few) wouldn't become disillusioned with your product? Sure, you have appeased the masses for the time being, but what happens when his feud with his brother is over? I only ask this because, based off the recent history of your treatment of mid-card feuds, the Hardy Brothers feud will probably be over by Backlash.

So, what then? Will you finally make HHH lie down for Hardy? No, I can't imagine you doing that. More than likely, the HHH/Orton feud will last for the better part of this year, and will thus require HHH to move back to RAW. But, with HHH almost surely going back to RAW, won't that require Cena, the posterboy of your company, to jump to Smackdown! for the sake of being able to actually have some airtime? I'll say yes, that it will require him to go to Smackdown!

Uh oh, but we have a problem! Now, you have Hardy and Cena, the two most popular wrestlers of the company, on the same brand! Furthermore, they are both uber-babyfaces! And, don't tell me you'll just have Cena do away with Hardy like he did this past year once Hardy came back from his suspension; even after a demotion of sorts (that is to say, even after being moved to Smackdown!), Hardy maintained his popularity and wouldn't be denied the WWE Championship. Furthemore, you can't just have these guys have alternating feuds with Edge, as it would give Edge too many championships and that may hurt HHH's ego. Thus, I can only come to one conclusion: with HHH still in the main-event, Hardy and Cena will inevitably have to face off. And, given how popular they both are, something tells me that this won't just be a one-off match; it will be a nasty feud.

[Hillmania]

Wow. That was the most elaborate thread starter I've ever seen.

Simply unreal. But I like all the jabs at Triple H.

I really hope the move to Raw isn't as permanent as it sounds. Raw needs Edge, not the Game.

[Arrynboot]

I concur, that was one hell of an intro, I personally just want to see good matches, I don't care for Cena, I know the guy equals ratings and is a great role model for the company but im just not interested. Same deal with Jeff Hardy, im only ever interested in Jeff when its extreme rules because he just isn't that good in the ring. I really hope we never see a Cena vs Jeff feud coz together I think they would have the most boring matches possible. But that's just my opinion

[boz_supernova]

What's stopping them from moving Jeff to Raw thus ending the Matt V Jeff feud after Wrestlemania?

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

Uh oh, but we have a problem! Now, you have Hardy and Cena, the two most popular wrestlers of the company, on the same brand!

Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah! Sorry tdingle, but i can't accept someone suggesting that Jeff Hardy is one of the two most popular guys in WWE. Jeff Hardy isn't in the top three ANYTHING when it comes to pro wrestling. Personal preferences aside, you can't seriously be suggesting that Jeff Hardy is more popular than HHH or HBK? That if the fans were to vote for Cena's opponent out of Jeff and the Undertaker, that people would rather watch Jeff than the Phenom against the Dr. of Thuganomics.

I'm fairly certain that you're right, in regards to a fued between the two. I doubt however it'll be anything more than Jeff getting a title shot and they square up to each other repeatedly for a month, and then when Jeff loses after attempting a Swanton and Cena locks in the STF in mid air or some shit, that that will be the end of, next challenger please.

I wouldn't pay to see Cena v Hardy. A lot of people probably would, but not me.

[orlorr85]

I think it would be interesting 2 see cena vs hardy. I think they would have good matches but u never know. remember how the wwe started the cena vs batista feud. so I hope they build it up before they make them face it other.

[The Madrid Slam]

It might be a bit extreme to say that Jeff Hardy is the 1st or 2nd most popular wrestler in the WWE today. I think, at one point during these past few months he was over HHH in popularity. Now if it was my choice of Cena or Hardy for a fued against Taker... I honestly think I would prefer to see Jeff vs. Cena and I'm sure I'm not the only one, but yes, the majority would rather see Cena vs. Taker.

If I have to rank Jeff Hardy in popularity... Probably 3rd. Cena and HBK above.

And, I would be interested in seeing what Cena and Jeff can do in a ring together.

[Criss Hardy]

Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah! Sorry tdingle, but i can't accept someone suggesting that Jeff Hardy is one of the two most popular guys in WWE. Jeff Hardy isn't in the top three ANYTHING when it comes to pro wrestling. Personal preferences aside, you can't seriously be suggesting that Jeff Hardy is more popular than HHH or HBK? That if the fans were to vote for Cena's opponent out of Jeff and the Undertaker, that people would rather watch Jeff than the Phenom against the Dr. of Thuganomics.

I'm fairly certain that you're right, in regards to a fued between the two. I doubt however it'll be anything more than Jeff getting a title shot and they square up to each other repeatedly for a month, and then when Jeff loses after attempting a Swanton and Cena locks in the STF in mid air or some shit, that that will be the end of, next challenger please.

I wouldn't pay to see Cena v Hardy. A lot of people probably would, but not me.

I agree about Jeff poularity, even though I love Jeff hes deffinately not even in the top 5 most popular, but I think that a Cena/Hardy fued would be really good, it dosent matter that they have different styles, I think that will make it better, look at the HHH/Hardy fued that went well and they put on some good matches and theyre style is nothing alike.

[jds121212]

Wow. That was the most elaborate thread starter I've ever seen.

Simply unreal. But I like all the jabs at Triple H.

I really hope the move to Raw isn't as permanent as it sounds. Raw needs Edge, not the Game.

That is probably the least intelligent thing i've ever heard. Let's have all three of the best heels on raw together so that smackdown becomes so unentertaining that it becomes unbearable to ever watch again.

[BigDaddyKewl]

I think it would be decent they had a solid match on Raw a few months and they have not feuded yet.

[CenaSux4Life78]

Wow! Simply put Wow! What an intro. I know its already been said, but I still have to say it. With that asside, this is my imput and why.

HHH vs Orton
Give me a break! How many times have we seen this match before? Yes, I know that the stakes are a bit higher and the game is raised too. (No pun intended on the game line) I was really hoping for an Orton/Edge fued. It would have made more sense to me, and I think would have been a better match. As for my reasoning behind it. Well it is simple. Both Orton and Edge are the top heels for there respected brands. They both draw a butt-load of heat, and know how to work a crowd better then most. I think if they made it a no DQ, it would be just that more intense.

Cena/Edge
Once again, we have seen this before. As much of a fan of WWE I am really disapointed in them creativly wise. They are a laundry list of people to face both men, but they are not looking at anything new. Though yes, I would LOVE to see a WM rematch between Taker and Edge, that match was just increadible. I would still like to see something new. Perhaps MVP and Edge. Hell, Funaki even. lol

As for the concept of Cena/J. Hardy. I dont like it. Not that I am a big fan of both. Given my handle you can tell I dont like Cena. Jeff is one of my personal favorites, and although I think they could work a good match together, a good fued would probably not work. Jeff would have to carry them through the entire thing. Given that anybody who really pays attention to Cena understands he has little ring skill. Now, if they made it a TLC match, that could prove interesting. I did enjoy Cena when he did it against Edge a few years ago. But as for a story line fued between Cena/Hardy....I just dont see it working to well. It would fly over with the fans like a bomb.

Now, as I was typing this I did have a good idea for WM. HHH vs Edge. Yes, I know its been done before. But that was before Edge became who he is today. I think that it would be a great match. They are both God knows how many times Champions. I think Edge is sitting at something like 10. If I am wrong, please correct me. HHH is 13 times now I think as well. They are the top 2 guys in the company for title reigns, and I think could put on a clinic as JR would say.

I would really like to get input into what I said. I dont always remember to check the threads, so feel free to leave me a message in my inbox.

[ad21k]

Cena/Jeff will happen at some point as it would be a huge draw for WWE very much in the way Batista/Cena was. They will probably save it for one of their bigger PPV's such as Summerslam or Survivor Series, but there is no rush to do it. Jeff is still in the process of been transformed into a legitimate main eventer, and needs a couple of decent feuds and matches under his belt before he can even step into Cena's league.

[Sportsperson411]

I think it would be good if Cena came to Smackdown, this way we could have a fresh feud like Matt Hardy vs. Cena for the title with Jeff somehow interferring. Heck, they could bring Kozlov and Big Show to the picture too. I don't think it'll hurt moving Cena to Smackdown, since SD is to me, the brand for the younger fans, plus you're basically trading HHH for Cena, one face to another face, not a big deal to me.

[Captain Charisma.]

First of all, Jeff Hardy is above HBK in popularity.
Jeff Hardy gets massive pop. HBK gets almost none. Or at least his pop isnt audible.

I would love to see a Edge/Orton feud. We have all seen that Edge can play face and that would appease HHH who wants to be heel.

Have Edge/Orton
AND
Triple H/Jeff Hardy
AND
Cena/Taker

[JohnnyTheAlphaMale]

Based on current storylines everything makes sense. I am excited about Cena/Edge as it is a true rivalry that provided Edge with his 1st world title and started him on the current path of greatness. Orton/hhh Im not to bothered about. I dont think their chemistry is great when they are faceing each other.

I think the best way to get the most out of the draft would be to swap the top heels, Edge and Orton. However, they will not be innitially traded. Steph and Vickie will be swapped. They will then make a talent trade. Vickie wants her man Edge to be on Raw with her and Steph wants Orton for triple HHH. Because Vickie is so desperate to move Edge over she could throw in Legacy also if they are not traded through the draft. They could then debut the muscle of the group, Harry Smith.

I would personally also trade Taker for Shawn.

Send Rey to ECW and try to milk the hisppanic fan base by sticking the ECW title on him.

I would probably move Christian, Matt and Jeff to Raw while trading Jericho, Punk, and Kingston to Smackdown.

[Esteban Ochocinco]

I personally have a real hard time believing that John Cena is leaving Raw. Cena is simply too big of a draw on Raw, and the numbers prove it. When Cena is on Raw, ratings go up, when he is out from Raw, ratings plummet. This happened with Triple H on Raw and Triple H on Smackdown. Triple H isn't the draw he proclaims or thinks himself to be, it's John Cena.

Jeff hardy won't move back to Raw either. Waaaay too much for him to do on Smackdown, plus he needs the edited television to make himself actually decent. The WWE can do wonders in three days with a Jeff Hardy match in post production to actually make it look decent.

While I whole heartedly believe the Game will be back on Raw, I don't see either Cena or Hardy moving from one show to the other.

Now will it happen. Eventually. There's too big of a money aspect to be made with it. While I think Cena will probably have some in grown stories for him over the next year with the Return of Batista, a Rey Mysterio mini feud, and otehrs, Hardy could be in the mix. Maybe a possible Summerslam match for brand supremacy. Could the match be good, probably. Cena has gotten good matches out of Bobby Lashley and Batista the last couple of years, and this shouldn't be any different.

[τδιγλε]

I personally have a real hard time believing that John Cena is leaving Raw. Cena is simply too big of a draw on Raw, and the numbers prove it. When Cena is on Raw, ratings go up, when he is out from Raw, ratings plummet. This happened with Triple H on Raw and Triple H on Smackdown. Triple H isn't the draw he proclaims or thinks himself to be, it's John Cena.

I definitely do not think Cena is indispensable to RAW. You could attribute RAW's tepid ratings this past summer and fall to many things besides Cena's injury. This is not to say that Cena doesn't have an audience, but it is to say that his taking time off to heal came at a very opportune time, as ratings more than likely would have gone down even with him still active. But, this is only half of the problem WWE faces.

We are in agreement that HHH is coming back to RAW. If we assume that this is going to happen, let's look at the possibilities. With HHH coming back to RAW, he will almost certainly continue his feud with Randy Orton. If they don't pull an "Edge/CM Punk" with this year's MITB winner on whichever one of these wrestlers (i.e., HHH and Randy Orton) currently has the WWE Championship, then it is also very likely that this feud will continue with the WWE Championship at stake. Thus, Cena will not be able to get his hands on the WWE Championship for some time should he stay on RAW.

However, given that HHH and Orton will feud over the WWE Championship, there is another option: keep Cena on RAW but have him win the WHC at WM 25, thus having both championships on RAW. But, assuming that championships spark interest in storylines and that Smackdown!, given its taped status, needs such interest in order to get people to watch it instead of just reading spoilers, this would not be a smart move. If anything, having both championships on RAW would only marginally help out RAW while virtually destroying Smackdown! Thus, if Cena stays on RAW, I think it is safe to say that he'll be staying on sans a belt. Furthermore, this implies that his feud with Edge won't go beyond Backlash, and that Edge will be coming out on top to keep the WHC on Smackdown!

Thus, in the end, if WWE wants to keep Cena on RAW, then it will have to be without the belt; and, in my opinion, last summer showed that Cena without the belt doesn't work so well. On the other hand, moving him to Smackdown! will allow him to taste gold once again sooner. And, while it may hurt RAW a little bit, it will be a mutually beneficial move for Cena and Smackdown!

In conclusion, given HHH coming to RAW, should Cena stay on RAW, his role will be marginalized to such a degree that he won't be able to affect ratings. But, moving him to Smackdown! will still allow him to work the magic you believe he has.

Jeff hardy won't move back to Raw either. Waaaay too much for him to do on Smackdown, plus he needs the edited television to make himself actually decent. The WWE can do wonders in three days with a Jeff Hardy match in post production to actually make it look decent.

While I whole heartedly believe the Game will be back on Raw, I don't see either Cena or Hardy moving from one show to the other.

Now will it happen. Eventually. There's too big of a money aspect to be made with it. While I think Cena will probably have some in grown stories for him over the next year with the Return of Batista, a Rey Mysterio mini feud, and otehrs, Hardy could be in the mix. Maybe a possible Summerslam match for brand supremacy. Could the match be good, probably. Cena has gotten good matches out of Bobby Lashley and Batista the last couple of years, and this shouldn't be any different.

I respect your dislike for Hardy because of his past drug use and poor work ethic. But, your assessment of Hardy as a bad wrestler, as you hint at in this post, is totally unfounded. You may not enjoy high-fliers, and that's cool; but, Hardy, love him or hate him, is a very talented performer.

[Leeds Guy]

Jeff hardy won't move back to Raw either. Waaaay too much for him to do on Smackdown, plus he needs the edited television to make himself actually decent. The WWE can do wonders in three days with a Jeff Hardy match in post production to actually make it look decent.


Yeah because when he is live on PPV all his perfomances suck.........oh wait no they dont. I think your so blinded by your hate for him that you cant appreciate how good he actually is. Im not saying he's the next Benoit or Hitman but he is entertaining. Perhaps you could give him a chance? maybe you will be suprised.