Will Edge be a more decorated champion than HHH?

[Showtime 24/7]

HHH, tuning 40 this year, has won 13 Heavyweight championships (8 WWE titles, 5 WHC titles), is a 5-time IC champion, 2-time European champion, 1-time tag champion, KOTR 1997, and the 2002 Royal Rumble. He won his first heavyweight title 9 1/2 years ago and has been wrestling with the WWE for just shy of 14 years. HHH has a very good chance of surpassing Ric Flairs 16-world heavyweight championships, and it's really no surprise why he's won so much, it shows it really does pay to be married to the bosses daughter, especially when she herself has almost as much power as her dad Vince.

Edge, turning 36 this year, has won 8 Heavyweight championships )4 WWE titles, 4 WHC titles), is a 5-time IC champion, 1-time WCW US champion, 12-time World Tag Team/WWE Tag Team champion, KOTR 2001, and won MITB in 2005. He won his first heavyweight title just over 3 years ago and has been wrestling with the WWE for almost 11 years. Edge wrestled for near 8 years before he won his first WWE title and now has 8 title reigns in the last 3 years. At that pace he will reach 16 before he reaches 40, surpassing what HHH currently has at age 39.

So will Edge be a more decorated champion than the bosses own son-law?

The answer is, yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean he will be viewed as the greatest WWE champion ever, or even as being better than HHH. What Edge lacks over HHH (aside from a Royal Rumble win, but I'm sure Edge will still pick one up) is something my numbers don't show. Edge has never had very long title reigns of any kind save a couple of longish tag title reigns. His average world heavyweight title reign for his first 7 ones is 49 days, his average IC title reign is 34.2 days, and his average tag team title reign is 30.5 days. HHH in his first 12 heavyweight title reigns has an average reign of 90.5 days, and his average IC title reign is 49 days. What Edge needs right now to really make the comparisons a lot closer is a long title reign, one that lasts well over 100 days. So to cap it off, Edge will most likely have more world title reigns and more championships in general than HHH, but HHH will be viewed as the more dominant champion of the two.

Now what does everyone else think of this matter?

[Buford]

Right now I would have to say no, based on the way that Edge's title reigns have gone. Seriously, take a look at all of them.

First title reign- MITB after the EC (3 Weeks)
Second- Triple Threat, he actually won that somewhat fairly. (2 months)
Third- MITB on Undertaker. (2 months)
Fourth- Triple Threat with the whole switch-a-roo with Hawkins & Ryder. (4 months)
Fifth- TLC with 4 people interfering on his behalf. (About a month)
Sixth- Survivor Series with the last minute arrival. (3 weeks)
Seventh- Royal Rumble with Matt helping him. (3 weeks)
Eighth- EC taking out Kofi. (?)

So to me, even though he is considered "The Ultimate Opportunist" he hasn't had a title reign last longer than four months. His title reigns add up to less than a year. Whether it remains to be seen what happens in the future, we'll have to wait and see. But right now I'd have to say Triple H would be.

[NightShiftLoser]

If you're asking about number of title reigns, then yes. Without a shadow of a doubt. With the way the title has been jumping around, I wouldn't be surprised if he passes him by the end of the year.

Triple H is a far better champion, and is heads and shoulders above Edge in the ring, but he started his career as part of a different era, and his number of reigns will "suffer" because of it, but the quality won't. He's won the title in bigger matches, from bigger superstars, and carried the WWE, whereas Edge hasn't had more than 1 or 2 legit title reigns.

Triple H will always be the better champion, but Edge will retire with more titles.

:disappointed:

[Blade]

I don't think so...
He'll be remembered in the future as a guy who did anything to get titles.
While the WWE will promote HHH as a huge mega warrior type character who was brave and determined and blah blah blah...

But if we're talking outside WWE's propaganda... well HHH still wins =/ By the end of both guys careers, I think HHH will be the only one to have surpassed Flair's amount of reigns, but Edge will be a close 3rd. And for sheer length, well surely HHH has held it for at least 2 years if you add all the time with a world title together. Edge has held his world titles for about a quarter of that.

They're both good champions, but HHH will be more decorated.

[kenvin100]

This is why WWE should really consider measuring the number of days a superstar holds the title. I personally find it ridculous that Edge is a 8 time champ already in 3 years! This surely has to be some record of some sort!

In the end, Trips over Edge anyday! Even if Edge surpasses Trips and overcomes Flair's 16x title reign, he will never be respected as well as the Game, or given as much respect as the Game. Say what you want about Trips banging the McMahons for supremacy, he will always be on top of Edge!

[PlayTheGame]

No. It wont happen, and I dont see why you think it will. I realize that the titles have been chaning hands alot lately, but Edge will never surpass HHH in world title wins. He might best Flair's number down the line, but HHH will set the standard for quite some time to come (the only one I can possibly see besting HHH's final record is Cena- and thats only a maybe).

There are many reasons why I feel this way:
-WWE, despite their actions as of late, does value its big titles and how many times each superstar has won them, and how many world title wins in general each superstar is amassing
-Knowing this, WWE basically controls/has a monopoly over who will go down in history as the top champ holders
-Thus, they will make sure they have it be someone worthy, someone who's a company man, someone respectable and has true name value (its been Flair for awhile, but soon it will be Hunter, and Edge will not then trump HHH just a few years later.. it just wouldnt look right)
-HHH is very deserving of this feat, and Flair would want it to be him. It would also look rigth for him to have this feat under his belt if he plans to stay with the company in some fashion after he retires, which he prob will (prob an on-air role of some sort too); there's also his creative control/ties with the McMahons that also make him a shoe-in for it

Enough evidence?

["Cool Guy" Jensen]

All I want to say is that as long as Edge maintains the moniker of the ''Ultimate Opportunist'', he will continue to have these very brief, pointless title reigns. Edge has shown that he could be a good champion in the past, with all his Intercontinental Championships, but so far, WWE is not allowing Edge to be as dominant of a champion as they do Triple H. Three years after Triple H won his first World Title, he was only a 6-time champion, whereas Edge, after 3 years from winning his first World Title, he is now an 8-time champion.

The WWE will always promote HHH as more of a decorated champion than Edge. That is whether you agree or not (I for one do not), but that's how it will be. The problem is that HHH, whether he is physically able or not, will continue to wrestle well into his 40s and continue to add more World Championships to his resume. He is determined to destroy Ric Flair's record and turn it into nothing more than an afterthought. Edge on the other hand will probably retire younger than Triple H, due to the fact that he is a little more injury-prone. Even though Edge has had 7 very short title reigns, you do not hear him complaining and asking for longer ones, he has more class. But the truth of the matter is, Triple H will always be considered a more decorated champion than Edge, though if you look at it closely, you'll see that Edge is slightly more decorated in my opinion.

[Phoenix]

Did you know Edge is currently the one superstar who holds the most combined title reigns (hardcore 24/7 & kotr excluded) in the WWE, I think he has 26 reigns to his name, so he has cemented his place in history already!

I think he has more title reigns in him, but if I had to be honest, when Triple H retires from the ring, he will still pull power to prevent Edge from being the top guy with more World Title reigns than anyone else, he may let Edge surpass Flair's record, but Triple H will always want the top position, unless something bad happens to him. But what Edge needs is a good long title reign that is more than half a year, because where he is the opportunist, he does need some longer lasting title reigns that aren't based on feuds with Batista and Taker alone!

[Showtime 24/7]

No. It wont happen, and I dont see why you think it will. I realize that the titles have been chaning hands alot lately, but Edge will never surpass HHH in world title wins. He might best Flair's number down the line, but HHH will set the standard for quite some time to come (the only one I can possibly see besting HHH's final record is Cena- and thats only a maybe).

There are many reasons why I feel this way:
-WWE, despite their actions as of late, does value its big titles and how many times each superstar has won them, and how many world title wins in general each superstar is amassing
-Knowing this, WWE basically controls/has a monopoly over who will go down in history as the top champ holders
-Thus, they will make sure they have it be someone worthy, someone who's a company man, someone respectable and has true name value (its been Flair for awhile, but soon it will be Hunter, and Edge will not then trump HHH just a few years later.. it just wouldnt look right)
-HHH is very deserving of this feat, and Flair would want it to be him. It would also look rigth for him to have this feat under his belt if he plans to stay with the company in some fashion after he retires, which he prob will (prob an on-air role of some sort too); there's also his creative control/ties with the McMahons that also make him a shoe-in for it

Enough evidence?

Hardly, I figured evidence was facts and proofs, not opinions. Although your evidence does ring true on a few notes, I don't understand how Edge could not be considered a likely candidate to surpass HHH in heavyweight title reigns. While HHH does have ties to the McMahon and everything you said about him accurate, it's not like Edge is Orton or Jeff Hardy. Edge has been with the company almost as long as Trips, is just as much a "company man" as HHH or Cena is, doesn't have a lot of backstage heat, is as talented a performer as the WWE has, and has the gimmick of the ultimate opportunist, a person who is not concerned at all about how long he holds the belt, but is firstly concerned with just having it. 8 reigns in 3 years, that's all I really need to say about Edge. He's one of the companies top two heels (with Orton) has feuded with every big star, and is four years younger than HHH. If they both wrestle to the same age, I don't see how he doesn't have a shot a winning more heavyweight titles than HHH. He already is in a way a more decorated champion than HHH, having almost as may tag title reigns alone as HHH has world title reigns. In short, it's no fluke that Edge has 8 reigns already, the company wouldn't out the title on him 8 times if they didn't believe in him or if they didn't want him to succeed. HHH already looks invincible enough and doesn't need to hold every record in the WWE, whether he wants to or not. Edge will win more world titles than HHH's and I stand by that statement. HHH will forever be viewed as a more dominant and better champion and that's fine, but Edge will go down as the most decorated superstar the WWE has ever had.

[nthomas504]

Edge will never be as decorated as Trips as a champion because his title reigns are eye blinks longs. There's a reason why as well. When you look at Edge, do you see a dominating champion (Trips, Cena, Taker). I didn't think so. Edge's character is a coward and when you put triple h vs a coward, who you think is gonna win. Also, Edge is not as built as a Game, Cena, Batista, so he can't be expected to hold that title for long anyways. Example, CM Punk had a short title run, JH had a 1 month run, Chris Jericho had a 2 monther. Lets face it, when the WWE looks at smaller sized wrestlers, they are most mid-carder, and some low level main eventers. With Edge they tried a different approached, instead of making him seem tough, they make him a coward, and they cowardly give him the Title.

With The Game. He's a warrior. He fights for the title, and when he gets it, he is dominant with it. He's not meant to be a transitional champ like edge is. Edge might get more championships than Trips in the end, but Trips will be remembered as the next Ric Flair.

[Phoenix]

I think Triple H could be remembered as the guy who goes up to Vince and says "Give me 5 more World Title reigns and I'll give you another grandchild!"

[mauihaole69]

The problem with Edge is that he has never been considered a dominant superstar. I know he's supposed to be the ultimate opportunist and as a heel, he's supposed to be a slimeball weaseling his way out of situations. But even the best heels have to win a match cleanly occasionally and thats something Edge never really does. Its always interference by someone or Vickie altering the rules. These are the things that make his character great but also what will prevent him from being remembered as one of the more decorated superstars ever. As for who will win the most world titles, I think in the end HHH will hold the most. HHH seems to be building the legacy of being one of the greatest ever when all is said and done. While some argue thats because his is the boss' son in law (that might have a little to do with it), he is also one of the hardest workers who has loyalty to the company and has a profound understanding for the wrestling business. Edge will be a top player for the next 4-5 years, but his title opportunities will lessen as his relationship with Vickie eventually falls apart.

[drondog]

PLEASE GOD WAKE ME AND TELL ME NO!!! If Edge beats Ric Flair's record it only shows WWE has NO RESPECT for there titles. Which is obvious because they let Edge steal every title he gets. He can claim he's great but when he can win a title w/o help from whoever including his fake ugly nasty wife!I'll believe it. But stay tuned to WWE because your gonna have Edge on Smackdown with Vickie and HHH on Raw w/ Steph! You can bet your gonna see HHH be pampered on Raw! Haha Too obvious!!! Your gonna see Stephanie BLAME HHH costing him to loose the title at WM25 because he couldn't get there fast enough to save her!!! Therefor making you watch the same "program" you have on Smackdown for a year! Same old dumb McMahon crap! It worked with Austin & Rock! Those 2 aren't close! They can't cut a promo like them two! And Edge will loose to Cena where Vickie will make his life miserable and you'll see another YEAR of 2 on 1, 3 on 1, handicap matches,and Vickie help give Edge the title back every chance he gets & every lame thing you've seen since Vickie was made GM, I'm glad I don't get MyNetwork TV. Smackdown would just waste space on my DVR!

[PlayTheGame]

Hardly, I figured evidence was facts and proofs, not opinions. Although your evidence does ring true on a few notes, I don't understand how Edge could not be considered a likely candidate to surpass HHH in heavyweight title reigns. While HHH does have ties to the McMahon and everything you said about him accurate, it's not like Edge is Orton or Jeff Hardy. Edge has been with the company almost as long as Trips, is just as much a "company man" as HHH or Cena is, doesn't have a lot of backstage heat, is as talented a performer as the WWE has, and has the gimmick of the ultimate opportunist, a person who is not concerned at all about how long he holds the belt, but is firstly concerned with just having it. 8 reigns in 3 years, that's all I really need to say about Edge. He's one of the companies top two heels (with Orton) has feuded with every big star, and is four years younger than HHH. If they both wrestle to the same age, I don't see how he doesn't have a shot a winning more heavyweight titles than HHH. He already is in a way a more decorated champion than HHH, having almost as may tag title reigns alone as HHH has world title reigns. In short, it's no fluke that Edge has 8 reigns already, the company wouldn't out the title on him 8 times if they didn't believe in him or if they didn't want him to succeed. HHH already looks invincible enough and doesn't need to hold every record in the WWE, whether he wants to or not. Edge will win more world titles than HHH's and I stand by that statement. HHH will forever be viewed as a more dominant and better champion and that's fine, but Edge will go down as the most decorated superstar the WWE has ever had.

I agree Edge will have more titles overall (including all possible titles), but he will not beat HHH in world title wins. And btw, your argument is based off of your opinion as well, there are really no facts involved, as this is just pure speculation on both of our parts. But, I really cannot see Edge, a guy who's stolen pretty much all of his world title wins, best HHH's final record, which we all know will surpass Flair's. Do you know how bad it would look if Edge beat Flair in title wins due to his underhanded tactics??? WWE isnt that stupid. They will draw the line somewhere... and even if he does surpass Flair's, we all know no matter what the HHH will surpass Flair's before Edge does (if he does).. This, IMO, proves that Edge then will not go on to beat HHH's record in such a sort amount of time right after HHH set the new record (Do you know how long Flair's record stood/still stands???). Like I said, Edge is a great superstar, and a pretty good champ, and is the most decorated.. but not in terms of world title reigns overall when all is said and done.

[tyler.durden]

the number of title wins don't matter to me anymore. i mean flair is 16 time champ, but he's really not in the same league as stone cold or hogan, which are arguably two of the biggest stars in wrestling. therefore i don't think edge is better than anyone that are 7 times champ or less... i forgot who said it (i think cena), but an 8 time champ only means that you lost the title 7 fricken times.

[Showtime 24/7]

I agree Edge will have more titles overall (including all possible titles), but he will not beat HHH in world title wins. And btw, your argument is based off of your opinion as well, there are really no facts involved, as this is just pure speculation on both of our parts. But, I really cannot see Edge, a guy who's stolen pretty much all of his world title wins, best HHH's final record, which we all know will surpass Flair's. Do you know how bad it would look if Edge beat Flair in title wins due to his underhanded tactics??? WWE isnt that stupid. They will draw the line somewhere... and even if he does surpass Flair's, we all know no matter what the HHH will surpass Flair's before Edge does (if he does).. This, IMO, proves that Edge then will not go on to beat HHH's record in such a sort amount of time right after HHH set the new record (Do you know how long Flair's record stood/still stands???). Like I said, Edge is a great superstar, and a pretty good champ, and is the most decorated.. but not in terms of world title reigns overall when all is said and done.

True, I think 95% of all things on here are opinion. I never stated mine was more than opinion, but I used numbers and prior facts to give my opinions. Any who, to stay WWE isn't stupid and knows where to draw the line is like saying Jeff's always been clean. No, there not WCW stupid, but they still don't know where to draw the line sometimes. They beat into us who to cheer and who to boo, rather than listening to the fans, and they have no regard for the records at all, only to get those who didn't contribute their life to the WWE out and the ones who will in EX: Orton becoming youngest champion ever to move Lesner out of that title, and Punk being the fastest Triple Crown to move Nash out of that one. WWE has no real care about Flair or what his history meant, which is why HHH and Edge will pass him. If they drew the line somewhere, neither would pass him and Flair would still stay as the most decorated champion in wrestling, but enough of that. Edge won 8 titles in 3 years, to say he won't win at least 8 more in the next 5-10 years is foolish. HHH is winding down in his career and just about everyone from the IWC, to up and coming wrestlers, to live event fans are all calling for him to start stepping aside a bit and start putting over others. Looking at the last few years prior to 08 he has been slowing down. From 05 to 08 he had just 2 title reigns, one that was even shorter than any of Edge's reigns, lasting less than 3 hours. I imagine that he will continue to have that kind of pace of title reigns in the next 5 years, so I don't count on HHH surpassing 17 title reigns, maybe he'll get 18, but definitely not more than that. Now, 9 plus title reigns is still a very lengthy mountain for Edge to climb, but if just averages 1.5 over the next 8 years or 1 over the next 10, he will match or surpass HHH's mark. I'm not saying it's a sure thing, or even an easy thing for Edge to do, but it is in the realm of possibility.

[PlayTheGame]

True, I think 95% of all things on here are opinion. I never stated mine was more than opinion, but I used numbers and prior facts to give my opinions. Any who, to stay WWE isn't stupid and knows where to draw the line is like saying Jeff's always been clean. No, there not WCW stupid, but they still don't know where to draw the line sometimes. They beat into us who to cheer and who to boo, rather than listening to the fans, and they have no regard for the records at all, only to get those who didn't contribute their life to the WWE out and the ones who will in EX: Orton becoming youngest champion ever to move Lesner out of that title, and Punk being the fastest Triple Crown to move Nash out of that one. WWE has no real care about Flair or what his history meant, which is why HHH and Edge will pass him. If they drew the line somewhere, neither would pass him and Flair would still stay as the most decorated champion in wrestling, but enough of that. Edge won 8 titles in 3 years, to say he won't win at least 8 more in the next 5-10 years is foolish. HHH is winding down in his career and just about everyone from the IWC, to up and coming wrestlers, to live event fans are all calling for him to start stepping aside a bit and start putting over others. Looking at the last few years prior to 08 he has been slowing down. From 05 to 08 he had just 2 title reigns, one that was even shorter than any of Edge's reigns, lasting less than 3 hours. I imagine that he will continue to have that kind of pace of title reigns in the next 5 years, so I don't count on HHH surpassing 17 title reigns, maybe he'll get 18, but definitely not more than that. Now, 9 plus title reigns is still a very lengthy mountain for Edge to climb, but if just averages 1.5 over the next 8 years or 1 over the next 10, he will match or surpass HHH's mark. I'm not saying it's a sure thing, or even an easy thing for Edge to do, but it is in the realm of possibility.

To say that WWE doesnt care about Flair or his history is very wrong my friend. If they didnt, why would they have given him such a send-off at WM24 and the Raw after, one that has never been seen before? Because hes a living legend, thats why, and the WWE, especially Vince, will be very careful as to who they actually let surpass him in world titles.

And, addressing Edge's longevity... I see HHH wrestling longer than Edge will- theyre only a few years apart, and Edge has had alot worse injuries (such as a broken neck) in his career- if he ever gets another neck injury again, his career could be over. Either way, his career has been shortened by it, wheras HHH, besides having bad quads, has been injury free, and he has said that his quads are better than ever. I also see HHH holding on longer than Edge, as I dont see him retiring ANYTIME soon, and I think HHH will end up being in the ring longer than Edge. But, neither of us can really state any of this for sure, as one horrible injury could end either of their careers at any point, which is a sad but true fact.

I really think that HHH's backstage politicking might have a play in all of this true whether anyone likes it or not- this is actually a huge aspect to it, wheras Edge has never really been the one to interfere with creative.

HHH has always been Flair's mentee, and I just see it as being proper for HHH to eventually go over him and win 17 and stop there. I think Edge will probably end up with 14 or 15. And as to your point about Edge speeding up and HHH slowing down in winnings, this fact can easily turn around and become a converse of itself, so know that.

[hArdymAriomArk]

Hardly, I figured evidence was facts and proofs, not opinions. Although your evidence does ring true on a few notes, I don't understand how Edge could not be considered a likely candidate to surpass HHH in heavyweight title reigns. While HHH does have ties to the McMahon and everything you said about him accurate, it's not like Edge is Orton or Jeff Hardy. Edge has been with the company almost as long as Trips, is just as much a "company man" as HHH or Cena is, doesn't have a lot of backstage heat, is as talented a performer as the WWE has, and has the gimmick of the ultimate opportunist, a person who is not concerned at all about how long he holds the belt, but is firstly concerned with just having it. 8 reigns in 3 years, that's all I really need to say about Edge. He's one of the companies top two heels (with Orton) has feuded with every big star, and is four years younger than HHH. If they both wrestle to the same age, I don't see how he doesn't have a shot a winning more heavyweight titles than HHH. He already is in a way a more decorated champion than HHH, having almost as may tag title reigns alone as HHH has world title reigns. In short, it's no fluke that Edge has 8 reigns already, the company wouldn't out the title on him 8 times if they didn't believe in him or if they didn't want him to succeed. HHH already looks invincible enough and doesn't need to hold every record in the WWE, whether he wants to or not. Edge will win more world titles than HHH's and I stand by that statement. HHH will forever be viewed as a more dominant and better champion and that's fine, but Edge will go down as the most decorated superstar the WWE has ever had.

I have to agree with PlayTheGame.

Triple H will surpass Flairs record and retire. Edge will not beat what Trips sets. Triple H has been gunning for Flairs record for ages and will not want someone like Edge beating his record after he retires. No matter what anyone says, Hunter has ties and pull behind the scenes and he will make sure his record stands until someone like maybe Cena can take over, it will only ever be the main guy, the company man that will hold those records.

Edge is definatley a company man and a loyal employee, that's why they havnt hesitated in giving him 8 title reigns in 3yrs. But no matter how good Edge is to WWE they will not have him retire with more reigns than Hunter, just not gonna happen. Edge might beat Flair's, he might get close to Trips, but he will never hold a record for most title reigns.

Having the boss's daughter in your pants does have it's benifits, no one can deny that.

[Frank White]

This is a pointless arguement becasue simply NO MAN WILL EVER DUE WHAT FLAIR DID in the 80's. who cares about how many time the belt was around your waist. Oh and by the way Flair is a 22x heavyweight champ ( 6 are unreconized by wwe for reasons unknown )

lets play the numbers game in the 80's thgere were 3652 days Flair didnt win his first Heavyweight title till Sept 17 1981 and still held the strap for 3097 days in the 80's ( that includes 1980 and most of 81 when he didnt have it ) and that was 6 reigns i believe that were " official ". And 8 or 9 if we include "unofficial".

So why was he soo successful??? Cause he was doing what Edge was doing but in reverse. He was heel beat Dusty. turned Face and chased Race around for 2 years. they exchanged titles once after starrcade ( unofficial ). Lost to Kerry at a Von Erich memorila then won it back 2 weeks later. Lost to Dusty at GAB then beat him at Starrcade. Lost it to Garvin in a shocker than beat him at Starrcade what a month later. Lost it to Steamboat then beat him at wrestlewar. Flair gave the belt away a handful of times to A) get it to a face when he was heel and B) turn him face in times of need C) to give a territory a taste for a second and D) to prove without a shadow of a doubt he would always win the war even if he lost a battle or six

Edge is the most popular transitional Heel Champ in history at first i thought the WWE was just making up for not giving him the title sooner but point blank people just love seeing edge lose the title it fills the seat ( i for one am a huge edge fan an wish he would play the good champ role just once to prove hes really one of the greatest performers in history ) No Way Out was genius, you had the top heel lose the title and get a huge pop then in a swerve won another title and well got a pop fot that now back to back ppvs you get to see edge lose and cry about it.

Edge will prob not surpass the title reign record simply because he is def injury prone and is getting older soo hes not going to wrestle well into his 40's imo and this winning and losing and winning it back will not continue at this pace. Edge will eventually turn face and ( prays to god ) have a long title run.

Now i also dont think Trips will take Flairs " record " he fucking respect the hell out of him and knows Flair gave more to the business than 2 HHH's 3 Shawns and 4 Undertakers. The only way i see this ending is with them possibly tying with Rics blessing of course.


On a side note Does anyone ever remember Flair actually winning the title with his patent Figue 4 ????? i remember rollups some underhanded tactics a body cross or 3 but the FF has lost him more titles on counter rollups they one him . Just some food for thought

[pepentorresHHH]

lets compare the facts:
-Triple H is a 13 time world champion( 8 wwe titles and 5 world heavyweight titles) while Edge is an 8 time world champion (2 wwe titles and 4 world heavyweight titles)
-Triple H is a 2 time european and a 5 time IC champion while Edge is a 1 time US champion and a 5 time IC champion
-Triple H is a 1 time tag team champion while Edge is a 12 time tag team champion
-Triple H is a former Royal Rumble winner in 2002, king fo the ring winner in 1997, 2nd grand slam champion, 7th triple crown champion while Edge is a former king of the ring winner in 2001, 2 time Mr. MITB
-Triple H got a slammy award for best hair in 97 and edge for the the best couple in 08..... ok irrelevant.
-ProWrestling Illustrated has given various awards:Triple H: Feud of the year twice, match of the year once and wrestler of the year in 08 and ranked # 1 in PWI 500 in 2000 while Edge had the feud of the year twice, match of the year twice and in o7 he was named #2 in PWI 500.
-Wrestling observer newsletter Awards: Triple has had the feud of the year 3 times, has been wrestler of the year once and was inducted in its hall of fame in 05 while Edge has been given the match of the year once and tag team of the year once.

of course Edge is younger by 4 years and Triple H debuted in the WWE two years earlier than Edge
both resumes look pretty solid with Edge been a whole slower at the start of his career but he has ceirtanly picked up in the last few years while Triple H has been in top of the company for a solid decade.

Triple H has got up to 5 more years before he retires if he can keep himself injury free while Edge cant see himself for 10 more years because he s more injury prone and he has injured his neck which has proven to shorten carrears by many years so you got to wonder how many years are left for Edge on top.

their gimminicks are differente as Triple H is built as a more credible champion than Edge that has a lot more longevity in his title reigns than Edge whos gimminick focuses in getting the title not keeping it.

i personally thing both man will surpass Flairs record but will tie in reality but of course Triple H will be remember as the most condecorated of the two.

[GNR8701]

First the question: Yes he will be more Decorated because the 12 times with the tag titles will really help his numbers. He will finish one wwe/world championship behind triple H but the tag titles push him over the top.

secondly - about having more titles than flair:

Even though we are talking about 13 time and 8 time champions, it is in name only. Being champion means that you are the best in that company at that time. Now that there are two titles and two bests in the company at every given time It should be viewed as a 0.5 title reign because you are virtually co-champions of wwe with the guy who is on the other show. I would say that HHH would then be a 9 time champion. being that he has 5 titles before 9/2/02 when the heavywieght title was introduced, and 8 titles after that and 8 x 0.5 = 4 and 4 + 5 = 9. This would leave Edge as a 4 time champion. Niether one of them will be close to flair and it would be rediculous to put them in the same category. Not to mention the fact that flair has won titles in at least 4 different companies that I know of and outside of a few matches in wcw in the beginning of thier careers, HHH and Edge have stayed in the same company for thier entire careers and if you stand in one place long enough there will be enough turnover (quitting/firing) that titles will find you.

[NbR1Ch]

All I'm going to say is, when its all said and done. Trips will have tied Flair at 16 and Edge will have had 15. Trips has said in the past that he doesn't want to beat Flair's record, but I'm sure at he will at least tie it. Mark my words.

[RBH]

I believe that Trips will end up having the better appeal based on the length and quality of his title reigns. Basically, Edge has only had short reigns and his longest was 3 months so I don't see how that will make Edge more decorated unless he gets a long title reign like 6 months. Triple-H has had several long title reigns both as a face and a heel so that is one reason why I believe Trips will end up having the better career in the aftermath when all is said and done. Edge is still good, he is just not that damn good.

[DeadmanInc.]

Why are people so quick to bash Edge for having short reigns while completely ignoring all the short ones Triple H had?

Triple H WWE Title Reigns

#1 22 Days
#2 49 Days
#3 118 Days
#4 35 Days
#5 35 Days
#6 0 Days (No Mercy. Held it for a few hours)
#7 210 Days
#8 3 (Current reign)

Triple H World Title Reigns

#1 76
#2 280
#3 91
#4 85
#5 85

Yes, Triple H has definitely had a lot of long reigns but he has had his share of short ones too. Now, how many of those long reigns were memorable? The only one I actually enjoyed was his 3rd WWE Championship because of his feuds with Cactus Jack and The Rock.

While Edge may have had a lot of short reigns, the majority of his wins have at least been shocking or some sort of swerve. People may forget his reigns but they'll definitely remember his wins while I'm sure the same cannot be said for Triple H.


As for passing Triple H, I don't think Edge will ever pass him. Triple H has been aiming for Flair's record for a while now while I'm sure Edge is just enjoying his success one step at a time. I don't think he planned on becoming an 8 time champion where as this was Triple H's goal for quite some time.

[MisterRob]

I think its kind of short sighted to see either of them as decorated champions. Champions mean nothing anymore, as the belts are just props now. Number of title reigns hold absolutely no value in the current era, compared to what they meant in past eras. Its not the number of championships, or the number of reigns, a wrestler has anymore that is a valid judge of their success or legacy in wrestling, its a great deal of other things now that matter. Not the props they're given. Regardless of whether Triple H and Edge both reach Flair's numbers or even surpass him, that fact won't be seen in the same light as when Flair did it. Back then the title wasn't thrown around so easily, it wasn't scene as a PROP, it was the centerpiece of feuds and storylines. But, between Triple H and Edge, I think Triple H's championship legacy will be remembered more then Edge's, as he's been made out to be what a CHAMPION stands for and there's been great emphasis put on that. So I think his legacy will be better remembered because of certain intangibles that Edge doesn't have going for him.

[f_roEDGE]

What the WWE has inadvertently managed to do is to make Edge only able to shine in the championship picture.

Excluding Hell in a Cell at Summerslam, Edge has not been in a non-championship match on pay-per-view since Wrestlemania 23!!! Yup, that's 17 of his last 18 pay-per-view matches. Also, Edge not being in a title feud would draw less money for the WWE, and they know it.

Therefore, I am pretty sure that not only will Edge surpass Triple H, but blow him out of the water. WWE, for the time being, cannot afford to have their money-maker Edge not in the main-event. WWE went so far as to make Edge lose the WWE Championship and win the World Heavyweight Championship on the same night, just to keep him main-eventing Wrestlemania.

Will Edge ever have a long reign?? Maybe if he turned face, but as a heel, I highly doubt it. He will lose it, and then quickly win it back again for the next six months, until they find a non-title rivalry for him after Summerslam '09. After that, it's only a matter of time before the Rated-R Superstar wins gold again.

[GameOver]

Right now I would have to say no, based on the way that Edge's title reigns have gone. Seriously, take a look at all of them.

First title reign- MITB after the EC (3 Weeks)
Second- Triple Threat, he actually won that somewhat fairly. (2 months)
Third- MITB on Undertaker. (2 months)
Fourth- Triple Threat with the whole switch-a-roo with Hawkins & Ryder. (4 months)
Fifth- TLC with 4 people interfering on his behalf. (About a month)
Sixth- Survivor Series with the last minute arrival. (3 weeks)
Seventh- Royal Rumble with Matt helping him. (3 weeks)
Eighth- EC taking out Kofi. (?)

So to me, even though he is considered "The Ultimate Opportunist" he hasn't had a title reign last longer than four months. His title reigns add up to less than a year. Whether it remains to be seen what happens in the future, we'll have to wait and see. But right now I'd have to say Triple H would be.

Agreed, having lotsa titles
To paraphrase RVD
"Dude you've won 7 World Titles, that just means you've lost 8 times"

All his title runs, much like Undertakers are really short in the scheme of things

But saying that, thats how the titles runs are this generation, nothing lasts for long as people get bored

For me Edge will be remembered as a TLC guy and one pasrt of the Hardy's vs Edge and Chrisitan Vs The Dudleys that stole the show for a few yrs, who went onto main event status, and is a damn good wrestler,
not as an multi-time World Champ.

Oh and the monkior the Ultimate Opportunist.

Triple H has still more title runs in store you just wait and see, he's far from retired and IMO is always in Main Event league. He'l atleas past Ric Flair or equal it only 3 more to go. With the way titles are thrown around that will be less than a yr LOL

The biggest difference is Triple H didn't get stuck in the Tag scene and the 2nd tier title scene for long. Had he been on that level longer he no doubt would've acquired more IC Titles or Eruo Titles etc.

Edge had alot more time to garner Tag Titles, IC Titles b4 he weas even considered for World Champ.

[Legendary_Undertaker]

Did you know Edge is currently the one superstar who holds the most combined title reigns (hardcore 24/7 & kotr excluded) in the WWE, I think he has 26 reigns to his name, so he has cemented his place in history already!



I was just about to post that exact same info phoenix but I think you're off by two. I heard that right before the royal rumble so that would put his count at 28. excluding the hardcore chmpionship

Bottom line is Edge will go down as the most decorated person in WWE history wether we like it or not but in my opinion HHH will always be considered the better champion! Edges titles come with his gimmick and all of HHH's titles came off of shear talent.. HHH will always be ranked #1 and edge mightnot even make the all time greats list.

[Blade]

First the question: Yes he will be more Decorated because the 12 times with the tag titles will really help his numbers. He will finish one wwe/world championship behind triple H but the tag titles push him over the top.



You simply can't count the Tag titles, not when they mean so little.
Sure, the WWE will try to pass them off as important, and sure Edge help them at a time when they were important, but really if the tag title devaluing keeps going the way it does, the tag team titles won't mean anything by the time Edge retires, it'll be all about the World titles and he won't be remembered as a 12 time tag champion.
In which case HHH will win.

[Savage1]

I would have to say no. I think Edge is destined for te HOF in the future and he is one of the most talented performers of this era and I have nothing but respect for him...but I don't think WWE will allow him to surpass HHH in this catagory. I know everyone says that Trips is where he is because he is married to the boss' daughter. I can agree to an extent that he does get some special treatment from this but if you really think about his career you have to recognize his true talent. Trips paid his dues when he was the blueblood from CT and when he was 2nd to HBK in DX. He is a truly gifted wrestler who loves the business. He earned his spot and has kept it partly because of his dedication and partly because he is married to Steph. I just can't see Edge winning more world titles than HHH. I can see HHH winning more than Naitch though. Im being a little repetitive now so Ill stop babbling but thats my honest opinion. 2 great wrestlers of the last 10 yrs and regardless of who wins more titles in the end they are both going to the HOF someday.

[Tastycles]

Edge will probably not win as many titles as Triple H, in my opinion. Yes he was won 8 in three years, and 3 in 4 months, but it unlikely that he will continue doing so. It is true that Edge has caught up with Triple H's number relatively quickly, but the reason for that is quite self evident.

Edge has won both titles to get his figure, whilst HHH was winning titles in the days when there was only one. However, now there are two titles, and HHH is clear of the injuries he had whilst Edge was winning his first few titles and with them seemingly being back on different brands, I expect that their numbers will increase again at a similar rate.

If we assume this to be the case, Edge will be about 5 titles behind HHH when he retires, which we will assume will be 4 years before Edge, given their age difference. Edge will have to win 5 titles in 4 years, which doesn't seem like much, but it is.

The reason the title is changing hands s much now is that we are in a transitional period where the main eventers are changing. People like Punk and Hardy are winning titles to see if they can handle it before dropping them back to experienced hands like Edge and HHH.

This is a historical fact:

For WWE heavweight titles.

Remember that a long reign now is shorter than a long reign in the late 80s early 90s.

Average Reign 1988 - 1990: 343 days
Average reign 1991/2: 95 days - This is a transition period
Average reign 1993-96 - 154 days (without Yokozuna and Bob Backlund, this is 198)
Average reign 1997-2002: 59 days - (transitional period)
Average reign 2003-07: 122 days
Average reign 2008-9: 53 days

This would suggest we are in a transition period right now. Triple H's career has spanned 2 of these periods, which is why he has so many reigns. As each period is between 3 and 5 years long, it seems unlikely that either Triple H or Edge will see another. Edge will have a couple of long reigns after HHH retires, but he ultimately will not beat him in the end.

[bigfan0508]

i don't think he'll get more titles than HHH, simply because HHH wants to go down in history as the man with the most title reigns. and buford, he didn't win that triple threat for the 2nd title fairly, he used a chair. But the way he wins titles is perfect for his character. I HATE watching him on tv, but that just show he's doing his job right. But to answer the main question, no, i do not think he will be a more decorated WORLD champion than HHH, however he's more decorated when it comes to the other titles. All he needs now is a RR win.

[StInGeR-HBK]

To answer the question, Edge will not have more title reigns than Triple H. Triple H will go down in history as the best and most decorated champion in WWE. Cena might change that later on down the road but looking at things right now, Triple H hands down goes down in history as the most decorated. One thing I'm confused about though is why nobody has mentioned Kurt Angle. (Sorry if someone has, I didn't read all the posts.) Isn't he like a 12 time champion himself? Or are we only counting championships in WWE? Cuz Flair won his championships through the course of his career which means you're adding all championships won in every company he's been in. So why isn't Kurt Angle considered as a possibility to beating Flair's record first?