Kane...What happened?

[WrestlingDude]

At the end of tonights episode, Kane was pinned by Batista and got rly pissed. Afterwards he goes on a rampage screaming "is he alive or dead?"

Kane has problems, we all know that. Despite everything thats happened him, the only person in my mind he might be talking about is big brother, the Undertaker. Who else can either be dead or alive. But wth is he talking about. Undertaker was banished from WWE, not "killed"...again.

Im not rly sure about this one but wth. Another guess might be Vince Mcmahon. Is he alive or dead, did he survive or not? Rumors has it that Undertaker is coming back and this accident was his first warning. But why would Kane care about this.

This rampaging, muttering words Kane actually reminds me of last year and May 19. This cant rly work now due to Festus but hey, you never know.

[Simply Ravishing]

Im kinda in the lines of thinking Paul Bearer. Like if everything is falling apart for him and he needs help. The Bearer character was killed off. And who knows, way Percy has been blogging and all the past year, he might want to jump back into wrestling full time.

[ch46745]

I think it is either Paul Bearer or a new character will debut and say that he is someone from Kane's past. It could be some kind of alter ego thing also. I don't think that it will be the Undertaker because it just won't make sence right now with the banned from wwe storyline.

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

As I stated in the "Martial Law/Raw" thread, it seems to be about McMahon and not the Undertaker. Both Shane and Stephanie have come out to say that they won't release any information, so it makes sense for Kane to be asking about Vince.

But.....why?

Why does Kane of all people care about Vince? Lol. Would he have a purpose for causing the "accident" that I'm just not seeing...or does he stand to lose something with Vince out of action that I'm not seeing.....??? I have no clue what type of storyline they could do with Kane as he isn't someone that they'd want to "push to the next level".

The only thing I can think of (even though I hope its not the case) is that they are planning on having Kane become Raw's "monster heel" instead of Batista. We'll have to see...

[FromTheSouth]

If they're making Kane a heel, having him attack Cole is not going to turn him.

I think it's either Vince or Paul Bearer. I am more likely to think it's Vince but I don't know what the motivation would be.

The Paul Bearer idea is intriguing, but it isn't something that needs a set up because a new manager isn't a big angle.

[Sparky]

Why are people saying Its going to be Paul bearer? Bringing a manager in wouldnt have this much Hype. if it was to be paul it would of bound to of leaked onno the net or somewhere. the WWE cannot keep a secret like that look at Jericho for instance. Its simply a way to bring kane back to Heel status. He is obviously talking about Either the undertaker as a way to bring him back, Or vince Mcmahon and something to do with the whole vince Angle. the latter is the most obvious reason i think they will say Kane has something to do with the accident. Maybe he was pissed becouse he got transfered to raw. i think he is trying to make sure he did the job or not.

[The Ghost Of Monkey]

This is intriguing. The sensical side thinks it has to do with Vince McMahon. As per reasons everybody has stated before.

Then there is the crazy part of me thinking it's Paul Bearer, but also with a side of McMahon. Maybe Vince wasn't yelling out Paul because it was Triple H's real name. Maybe he was calling it out because he was the last thing Vince saw before the stage collapsed. Making Kane wonder why he would call out Paul's name. Hence why he is suddenly gone crazy again. If I remember correctly Paul Bearer is Kane's daddy, but they also didn't part on the best of terms.

I know. Its fucking crazy right? It will more than likely end up having to do with Vince and the Undertaker. But this has led me to some wack ass thinking.

[Sparky]

Then there is the crazy part of me thinking it's Paul Bearer, but also with a side of McMahon. Maybe Vince wasn't yelling out Paul because it was Triple H's real name. Maybe he was calling it out because he was the last thing Vince saw before the stage collapsed. Making Kane wonder why he would call out Paul's name. Hence why he is suddenly gone crazy again.You have a point there monkey, I didnt think of that, That actually makes sense He might not of been breaking Kayfabe he might of seen Bearer and was trying to tell People about it. If it is the case its the WWE's best kept secret since the internet was created.:lmao: If I remember correctly Paul Bearer is Kane's daddy, I Dont know about that I thought that Kane's Parents got murdered in the fire that started by the Undertaker. but then again they change the storyline all the time. but they also didn't part on the best of terms. I cant even remember Paul bearer leaving the WWE or how they parted.
I know. Its fucking crazy right? It will more than likely end up having to do with Vince and the Undertaker. But this has led me to some wack ass thinking.
It's the WWE most of the storylines are crazy its the only reason i watch it. Even if the storylines i get are boring i still get a laugh at how far fetched they are. If it does have anything to do with bearer Itl either be the way they bring the the Undertaker back or for Paul to become Kanes Manager.

[Ptd]

I honestly think there is no other obvious answer to this then it being Vince McMahon that he is referring to, if you think about it, it makes a whole lot of sense. The point that Sparky brought up made a lot of sense about Kane being mad that he was drafted to Raw. I think that the heel turn is good. You have to admit everybody misses the old Kane, the one little kids loved because he looked like a "monster". Vince knows when they have an interesting storyline going on with Kane that it will indeed bring in ratings.

[klunderbunker]

I've been thinking this over, and I have no clue who it is. There's no obvious solution to this question. The first two guesses are the two that were already said: Vince and Paul Bearer. Taker didn't die this time (where else can you make a statement like that and have it make sense other than wrestling?) and Vince is badly injured, and the only one that makes sense is Paul. THe thing is, with the way WWE is going lately, I can't imagine it being him. Something just doesn't feel right about that to me. My guess is that it'll be something that hasn't been explained yet, and that this could lead to a major angle in the coming weeks and months. Either way, it has people talking, so it's working.

[Ptd]

Did anybody else notice during the CM Punk interview the light falling down, and the crew members hurrying over to pick it up. Do you believe this is an accident, or could this purposely been done? I think the WWE creative team has a good thing going on here, if that was indeed on purpose, I am liking this whole angle going on with Kane, if this angle does in fact have to do with Vince and these falling objects.

[Simply Ravishing]

I dont agree with what you said up there Sparky. The "Bringing a manager in wouldnt have this much Hype." part. Paul is a legend, That first appearance he would receive a monstrous pop. And it would all be worth the buildup and hype to see that Kane isnt going to be (once again) a Raw jobber to all the big name heavyweights.

Reading how deep yall are looking into this. It will prob be one of these things where every little kid in the world will have it right and be talking about it at school with their friends. While all the adults over analyze it to pieces and end up miles off.

Positive its not Vince or Taker. Why would Kane care about Vince? When has he ever shown that hes cared about anything but Taker and Paul really. (not counting the women) If Kane could get Paul (or even Brother Love who Id actually prefer) and start some type of Ministry faction. He could truly take over as a dominating enough heel that the WWE wouldnt have to tinker with their face guys and flipping them to heel.

[lionheart01]

well i was thinking, someone else said something about vince saying paul referring to paul baeur and not HHH. Then kane wanted to know what vince was trying to say about paul but the family wont realease any info. and kane snapped

kinda out there but its possible

[rony31]

only problem with it being about Vince is that he grabbed Michael Cole of all people, who happened to be at Smackdown at the time of Undertaker's banishment. it would make a lot more sense if he was talking about Vince though.. maybe the stage collapse was Undertaker's doing and he's using Kane as his puppet to get information since he cant due to his banishment? whatever happens though, I'm liking these mysterious angles that RAW's implementing

[DJ]

Monkey has really freaked me out.That idea/Theory makes so much sense.Did anyone notice when Vince fell down he got up.He looked back at the stage and his face looked kinda shocked.Then the MDM Sign fell on him.Maybe he saw Paul Bearer?

I'd love if this led to the return of masked kane.Not the 2002-2003 crap but the 1990's version.That would get Kane over like heck.And the camera falling over?Anyone remember Undertaker/Orton feud?Where everything started getting creepy and things going off and on?;)

[a7xoff]

Guys I for one doubt that this whole thing has to do with Vince. I mean really cannot think of any reason why Kane of all people would care as to if Vince is dead or alive. Do I think that the Vince storyline could have something to do with it? Yes. I'm still thinking that the obvious return of the Undertaker is coming up soon. To avoid having to face Edge again he'll probably show up as a Raw guy. Kane and Taker obviously have history, both good and bad. It could be Taker, or it could be Paul. I just do not see it being Vince. What would Kane's motive be in asking if he was dead or alive? We're just going to have to sit tight and see. Again... I don't see how it can be Vince, and I sure don't know why Cole of all people would know if Vince is dead or alive, Taker on the other hand....

[Tastycles]

I'd love if this led to the return of masked kane.Not the 2002-2003 crap but the 1990's version.That would get Kane over like heck.

I was just thinking this myself. They are obviously trying to get Kane over as being insane, and he might return to the mask to seek solace. Although he'd probably have to work as it'd look rubbish if he was bald. I don't think there's anyone who'd disagree that the monster heel, masked enigma Kane is better than the "he's a face because he's been there for ages" Kane. Also, he can fill the role that has been left empty since Umaga was drafted.

I certainly think that this is building up towards a big Undertaker return. I think the reason that Edge and Vickie's wedding was postponed was because it was the original intention that The Undertaker would crash it, but then they come up wth a better story arc for 'Taker to return to Raw, and they're running with it.

I imagine that all of the backstage problems we saw this week -the light, the fan mocking Batista (I think he'd have reacted differently if this was unplanned) are all The Undertaker's work, and that they will continue for a few weeks, before building up into something big, setting up a Summerslam return.

They've shown lots of times before that 'Taker can get into Kane's head, like the year he eliminated himself from the Royal Rumble when the gong sounded, and that the same thing is happening now, and he's using Kane to find out about Vince's condition, hence the whole Kane segment.

In an aside, they really needed Jerry Lawler to be the one that was beaten down, otherwise he'd have become a bigger face than he was before, if he just attacked Cole. They should have had him go after Cena too, as I think that would've put him over further as a heel.

[rookie]

if it is undertaker and he coems back to raw i think it will be his biker gimmick . because he says is he dead or alive. the undertaker says deadman walking as his "death" gimmick as a biker he is the bad ass. so when vince buried him he thought he killed him . but this is sort to be undertakers dead form isn't it. so i ebt when vince comes back biker taker will to

[Joepjr92]

Personally, I hope they don't waste such an interesting angle on Vince. Undertaker doesn't seem to make sense for this angle. Paul Bearer could be a possibility, depending on whether or not he's on good terms with WWE.

I had a wacky idea. What if Kane were going crazy because of someone important from his past, possibly his son. They could have a "Son of Kane" angle and maybe bring in the newly released Rellik to play the role. They can bring him in, explain that he was the one behind all of these strange occurences, and have him feud with his "father."

[CDR]

I have no clue where the heck they are going with this. If I had to guess I would say he was talking about Vince. Why would he care about Undertaker because he's got a feud with Edge. I really hope not, but I think he's talking about Vince. And maybe Vince would bring back the whole bastard son angle and Kane could be his son. That's why he's so worried.

[Joaquim Akaem]

I am now officially confused, and used to call myself a smart fan too.

Truth is I havn't really got a clue about anything anymore, What is happening to Kane, where is Taker and what about Mcmahon? You've really got to assume that all three are connected, then again they could all be unrelated, and Taker isn't even involved.... my head hurts. I just made a post in the Vince thread, which i could have put here... because basically i thaught it was all the same thing.

I will say this. Whatever happens, i hope that Kane comes out as the heel monster that he plays best. I remember the feuds with RVD, Matt Hardy and ShaneOMac, all classics, Kane was a raving pshycotic monster in all of them.
He has been working with CM Punk in ECW in recent months, this could all be a World title feud.

I admit, this is getting too much hype to just turn out to be a mediocre thing, foe example just introducing Paul Bearer would not be shocking news. It HAS to be important and exciting.

[Suneeboy]

The whole "Kane has a son" angle wouldn't work as it wouldn't go over with the crowd. WWE is developing too many characters right now to bring in a son for Kane which wouldn't draw any heat because no one would know who the "son" is.

It can only be Paul Bearer or Vince. He won't go over well as a monster heel if it isn't someone extremely recognizable with the fans. It can't be someone new.

It can't be Taker because his feud with Edge needs closure - so write him out of it.

Whoever it is, I hope he comes back and does something to Kane's face so he brings the mask back. The whole angle is a waste in my opinion if the mask doesn't make a return and the old Kane is back on the scene.

[kbrill21]

I think he is talking about his other personality. The dark demented Kane. Speaking of managers for Kane, wouldn't recently released James Mitchell be cool as shit for him.

[tap-out]

If Kane could get Paul (or even Brother Love who Id actually prefer) and start some type of Ministry faction. He could truly take over as a dominating enough heel that the WWE wouldnt have to tinker with their face guys and flipping them to heel.

Excellent point it would be nice to see the ministry but with a twist, Kane nstead of undertaker. This could be when the new Elijah Burke then comes back and all of a sudden you have a great start to something with Paul Bearer Kane and Elijah Burke. However if this was the case it is a shame there are the brand splits because this would be a nice angle to have on every show like the last one years ago.

[ROHDude]

It's got to be Vince.

I'm thinking Kane is pissed off for some reason and was attempting to kill Vince when the stage collapsed. The E haven't told us Vince's condition yet and Kane is hoping he'll die. I don't really have any reason why Kane would do this, but it has to be Vince.

[simeon63]

This is an interesting post, one person talked about Vince saying Paul, and of course Triple H was there and Paul is his real name, but we all know this is a story line and Vince said Paul for a reason. Eventhough Vince was hurt it was clear he was in no danger of dieing, so there's more to this then we expect. Could it be theres a third brother ? Or could it be The Undertaker reuniting with Paul Bearer and doing this things to the McMahon family. If this is an attempt to turn Kane as a heel, then they haven't learned there lessons. Kane is a character people like, even when he catches good old JR on fire, it is almost impossible to have the fans turn on Kane. It is good to see the WWE use Kane is a major story line again.

[kingrko]

Monkeymania referred to Vince actually not breaking kayfabe when he called out "Paul... Paul..." At first we all thought he was just trying to sell the accident by calling out to HHH by his first real name. Now, that might still be true, but I think there is the possibly of him referring to Paul Bearer, as mentioned in the posts before mine. The other two options would be Vince himself or the Undertaker. I could see why Kane would be talking about the Undertaker, he's gone crazy about whether 'Taker's dead or alive before. He could've been talking about Vince, probably because Kane took him out.

[simpsons_fanatic742]

This is awesome, I love when the WWE does this. To be honest, I didn't once think about Paul Bearer and I'm still not sure why people think it could be him, I just don't see it. When I first heard Kane say that line, I thought Vince McMahon right away. It makes the most sense. Undertaker and Paul Bearer haven't been talked about in a long time so to just spring this on doesn't make alot of sense. I think it's about Vince and Kane wants to know if the "job" was done to McMahon.

Wait I just got another thought...Why would Kane ask if Vince is dead when Vince was talking after the accident? Clearly he was injured, but not dying. I'm just confusing myself now.

[CDR]

Alright the more I've thought about it I've come to this conclusion- I have no clue whats going on but it can't be Taker because he's involved on Smackdown, can't be Bearer because why would they even do that?, and it can't be Vince because..well nobody cares about him. So its gotta be either someone we don't know or we're just forgeting about someone.

[CDR]

I think he was talking about Vince. With all the chaos going on lately, it's eating him alive inside that he doesn't know.

I know everybody thinks its Vince but why. But what connection does Kane have to Vince? None. The last time was at Survivor Series 2003 when he helped Vince bury Taker. I don't think its Vince. I bet its someone who has yet to debut.

[image1986]

Its vince mcmahon he is talking about because it makes sense. Kane could of tried to kill vince for some odd reason and wanted to know if he was successful. Being paul bearer wouldn't even make sense at all because taker "killed" him with cement on a episode of smackdown 4 years ago. Having kane psycho is great but he needs the mask back it added to the evil look. If kane has nothing to do with the vince thing this will be the stupidest storyline wwe can ever produce cuz none of it makes sense just like the "my son is a midget" storyline last year

[CelticPride101]

well it mostly likley has too do with vince and i think kane will go on this big ass rampage and destroy anyone in his path like just squashing oppenents and then it would lead up too like "oh there is only one person who can stop him"= the undertaker so thats when the undertaker returns they have there little feud and raw becomes great because undertaker will be joining the brand well thats my idea of what i think will happen hopefully it does this could lead to a good storyline

[extreme22]

I am starting to like this storyline but it has to make u wonder,
why Vince would call out Paul Paul, and we all know Vince hates when wrestlers break face....
So did some thinking and i must say that this has to do with Paul B and the Undertaker Vince and Kane. if u think about it there was talks to start a new ministery.

But if u pay close attention Vince was screaming for Paul infact he was calling for HHH
if u look closely u can see Vince reaching for HHH hand.... so no it is not Paul B.

so take it for what itis worth... this is the Hand of the Undertaker and Kane with Maybe Vince together in some way or another i have watched that clip over an over again and u can see Vince is calling for HHH... who knows lol

[MarkMaddenSuperFan]

The Kane heel turn was a joke. We've seen him as a "crazy" monster so many times now - no one cares. Did anyone else notice that his punches on Lawler looked pretty stiff? I saw Lawler covering his face on the ground.

[lostsoulforever]

The Paul Bearer idea is an interesting one. It would mean Vince saying 'Paul, Paul' thinking he's seen Paul Bearer, then 'I can't feel my legs' because he is delirious.

But I don't see Paul Bearer returning any time soon, there doesn't seem to be any real reason for it. It would be very difficult for WWE to turn Kane or indeed Undertaker heel, because fans would be reluctant to boo either (particularly Taker of course).

In terms of Kane trying to kill Vince, the only reason I could see for it would be so that Kane, presumably alongside someone else, could assume control of WWE (or at least Raw). Explaining how that came to be would be a bit difficult I imagine however.

[SeriphinX]

I've always liked the Kane. Plus he's a Tennessee boy so I have to root for him.

In regards to the storyline, I love it. I like when Kane is involved in a major storyline, especially when he is back to being maniacle. Some of the best matches I have seen were the Kane vs. Shane feuds..the Ambulance Match in particular.

It sets up well for me since I got Raw Tickets for Knoxville here in a few weeks, the story should be going strong by then.

[incrediblesim]

It's a strange one. Looking at Kane's character in the past and it's not obvious who he was talking about. Vince?? I don't think so because even if WWE really wanted Kane to be at the centre of who tried to kill Vince then it's hard because Kane and Vince don't have a particularly striking history. Something along the lines of the return of The Undertaker is more possible. As someone suggested it could be like a "He is out of control- there is only one man to stop him," wouldn't be so bad. Kane is hard one to turn heel because fans know of his loyalty and his willingness to put younger guys over. But if he goes up against Taker the fans will always side with Taker. I think it will lead to Taker on RAW. Paul B could be involved somewhere in the story but a full return I don't think will happen.

[Manjmonkey]

I dont think paul bearer is in the shape or feeling like coming back so my guess is that kane is the one who cause the stage to fall on mcmahon and for two weeks they've just left people wondering and kane is sick of it and wants to know is mcmahon DEAD OR ALIVE

[DeadmanInc.]

It can't be Undertaker because he didn't "die" this time, he was simply fired. It would make no sense at all for him to "rise from the dead" when he didn't "die" in the first place.

Paul Bearer is interesting idea but I doubt it's him. This storyline looks like it's going to be one of the main event storylines. Would fans really care about Paul Bearer? Secondly, I remember WWE clarifying that Paul Bearer wasn't "killed" in the concrete crypt, just seriously injured due to the controversy surrounding it.


The most logical thing right now is the Vince McMahon angle. Shane & Steph have been rather secretive these past two weeks. Maybe Kane was the one behind the stage collapse and he wants to know if he got the job done or not.

The other thing that comes to mind is the whole Impostor Kane angle that flopped a few years ago. They axed the storyline prematurely because people just didn't care about it, especially after their horrible match. Maybe they're giving it a second chance? (I hope not.)


Anyways, I love it when WWE pushes Kane as an insane monster because he makes the role believable. I actually liked it when they unmasked Kane because he was psychotic. Everything he did was shocking and unexpected from Chokeslamming Bishoff of the stage, Chokeslamming Austin, and Tombstoning Linda on the stage. I hope this angle leads to a main event push for Kane. He has deserved one for a long time now and I think he should have gotten one when he was unmasked.

[Miko]

This looks like it could be good, I didnt much care about Vince McMahons Limo explosion and I didnt much care about the stage collapse, but now I am interested, because lets be honest who suspected Kane (provided it is Kane after all), this could be yet more proof that the WWE is starting to shake things up, and it could be really good for Kane. Whatever some people think of his wrestling abilities you cant say that Kane isnt WAY over.

Whatever the storyline is at least it shows that WWE still has some love for the Big Red Machine, especially seeing how this angle took precedence over the main event this week.

I agree with Deadman Inc. Kane deserves a main event fued, and this could be it.

[Davi323]

Umm, if I remember right, wasn't Paul Bearer last seen on WWE TV being buried in a block of cement? Could that be a possible motivation for Kane wondering if he is alive or dead? I kinda think its a gonna be someone completely different, if only for the fact that there is no established storyline with Kane/Vince, Bearer has been gone so long its not even relevant anymore, and as mentioned before, Taker didn't actually "die" this time before going on his break. Maybe Kane is really referring to himself, just in 3rd person, namely, the "monster" that he was for the first half of his career in the WWE...A dual personality kind of thing. Perhaps the Big Red Machine is gonna go nuts, put the mask back on, and have a huge push as the invincible monster he originally was, instead of the current tame Kane...So, essentially, he could be asking himself if the monster inside him is alive or dead...

[smackdown27]

One thing is for sure that The Undertaker is going to return to SMACKDOWN whenever he's ready because WWE is not going to finish his storyline with Edge with Taker at the loosing end.

If Kane really was referring to Taker, they would then take this angle to SMACKDOWN and finish it there and involve Edge and ultimately perhaps Triple H in it. If they do, the ratings would go through the roof.

I don't understand some guys here saying that Kane is not going to turn heel if he attacks Cole. I mean, Cole is the best announcer available and has always been a face with Tazz and later on JBL doing the heel commentary with him.

While Cole has always been the more enthusiastic announcer, the fans always liked J.R. better just because he has been involved in angles with Vince McMahon and others. Does Cole too need to join the Kiss My Ass Club to prove to some silly fans that he is better?

[simeon63]

Guys this is the WWE, Kane is not referring to VIncent, as they would not tip us off this early in the storyline. At first I thought the Paul Bearer remarks where plain silly, then if you place the clues together it is possible. I would not be suprised the WWE reveals a new monster, a brother to kane and the Undertaker. I am suspecting the person behind the Vince accident will be William Regal getting even for being fired as general manager of RAW.

[stuie123]

well, if you check percypringle.com (paul bearer's official site), he is dropping subtle hints, with "Sorry, but I can't answer that one. Interesting storyline, isn't it?" underneath of 2 pictures in which he is depicted as rising from the grave. so that storyline may just have partial pieces of truth behind it.

the undertaker/kane storyline would be, at this point in their careers, a great way for them both to retire, facing each other in a final match. however i don't believe either man is ready to retire just yet..

the trying to kill vince angle is a no brainer, the most basic storyline, but still it would be quite interesting.

[Golden Standard]

I think this is a way to turn Kane heel again. Hopefully the mask can be put back onto him again and make him that dominate wrestler again. I would love to see Paul Bearer back in wwe. I doubt if this has anything to do with the Vince angle.

[DeadmanInc.]

Putting the mask back on Kane isn't going to suddenly make him into the monster he was years ago, it doesn't have magic powers. Kane doesn't have the same physique anymore. He's become old and sluggish. Plus, there would be no curiosity about what he looked like. The mask worked back then because his face was "horribly scarred". Everyone knows what he looks like so there would be no point.


But I agree, the more I think about it, the more the Paul Bearer idea sounds possible. The falling camera incident during the CM Punk/Snitsky promo or the crazed "fan" backstage, there could be something "supernatural" behind all this. I still think the Vince McMahon storyline is the main cause for Kane's reaction on RAW but it's possible that Paul Bearer played a part in it.

I don't really think that the Undertaker is involved. Like I said in my previous post, he didn't "die" and he still has his feud with Edge to conclude. I don't think WWE is going to throw it away just like that after building up the feud for over a year.

[Taker316]

Really, Vince's *incident* might not even have ANYTHING at all to do with the whole Kane storyline. Vince's lil accident coulda been Regal tryin to get back at him for firing him. Makes sense. WWE could go in many different directions with this, that i cant even be sure wtf is goin on lol... i LIKE it! Sure seems like its workin too, 5 pages within 24 hours, and i know I for one sure as hell aint missin next week's RAW after seein all that happened at the end last night!

[Mighty NorCal]

I dont think it has anything to do with The Vince angle at all really. I mean, he was obviously still alive when they took him out on a stretcher, and with all the face time of the mcmahon family on TV, if he was dead ("") then they would have said something to that effect. I honestly think he really may be talking about Noble :lmao:. In any case, I am a fan of the heel turn. Kane is much better as the phsycho heel, and the character from the movie he played is an excellent direction to go. I think they should have him dragging around that huge ass meat hook, doing creepy shit. When you hear the sound of that hook, everyone needs to get fucking SCARED. Make him an extension of the movie character. They need top flight heel help on RAW, and this would do it.

[BaconBits]

Maybe he was talking about the Undertaker. If he's alive, he's the American Badass (he's far too tan to be a dead man anyways, haha), if he's dead, he's the classic Undertaker character.

Or maybe he was talking about Vince. Maybe he's going to start a feud with the McMahons. Although, I don't think a McMahon would be the one doing the fighting in the feud, I think it would be a returning Randy Orton.

Or maybe was talking about Paul Bearer. That would be cool, I suppose, I always kinda dug Paul Bearer. He would get cheap crowd pops for a couple weeks.

Or maybe, he's talking about someone else. Someone new, or maybe someone making a return. I hope that's the case. I enjoy seeing different talent. I'm thinking most other fans would be receptive too.

Or maybe he's talking about Carlito's feelings for WWE...

[RBH]

I believe that this could be something we did not see coming. Here are the reasons why it is NOT Paul Bearer.
1. Paul Bearer is retired and now working his funeral business fulltime.
2. Paul Bearer is still 300 pounds, as I said on the live discussion, still a walking herat attack.
3. Paul Bearer has no interest of returning and he was killed off.
It is NOT the Undertaker because as indicated earlier, Taker was not killed off and I believe that they are trying to keep the Taker and Kane seperate for now because their storylines are a little played out. Plus, Taker has to go back to Smackdown to finish his storyline with Edge.
It could be Vince McMahon. But when you really think about it, this could not be anybody. It could just be Kane ranting like a mad man and going nuts on everyone like he did in 2003-2004. That would be awesome because if you remember, the last time Kane was full heel...he destroyed Shane McMahon, Matt Hardy, RVD and Eric Bischoff. Sure he jobbed to Benoit but he still was a great monster. Kane, if used correctly could be an excellent monster heel.

[FromTheSouth]

OK, when I said that Paul Bearer wouldn't be that big of a deal, I was wrong because there are 6 pages about him. It makes sense, so in WWE land, we can rule it out. I am interested as hell in where this is going. If he is talking crazy, and they bring Taker back to control him, I hope Taker turns on whomever brings him back, and they run through the tag division. If Shane brings Taker back, and SHane is heel, then Taker turns, the Brothers of Destruction could maybe give Rhodes and DiBiase the rub and elevate the tag division monumentally, much like when HBK and HHH allowed Orton to go over.

[The Ghost Of Monkey]

I dont think it has anything to do with The Vince angle at all really. I mean, he was obviously still alive when they took him out on a stretcher, and with all the face time of the mcmahon family on TV, if he was dead ("") then they would have said something to that effect. I honestly think he really may be talking about Noble :lmao:. In any case, I am a fan of the heel turn. Kane is much better as the phsycho heel, and the character from the movie he played is an excellent direction to go. I think they should have him dragging around that huge ass meat hook, doing creepy shit. When you hear the sound of that hook, everyone needs to get fucking SCARED. Make him an extension of the movie character. They need top flight heel help on RAW, and this would do it.

Oh Snap. Monkey has just come up with another crazy idea with the help of NorCal.

You hit it right on the button. At least If I was writing this storyline. Make him an extension of his movie character. Anyone who has seen See No Evil knows the ending. The question being left on my mind was "Did he die?" Maybe that's what Kane is wondering too. Thus bringing him into a state of confusion where he thinks he is Jacob Goodnight. Then he goes and acts all psycho and shit and fully regains his monster heel persona.


I am really thinking outside the box. I think I am going to go lie down.

[Colamania]

I've just finished watching Raw, and I've gotta say, I marked like Slyfox after a Cena title win. The monster Kane is back, and that's the only Kane that's worth anything. Kane attacking Michael Cole might not make him into a heel, but Jerry Lawler is something of a cult hero. He's got a surprisingly large fan base. He's really quite popular and having Kane attack him could start a heel turn off with the fans. Although, it's a shame JR isn't still around, Kane got a pretty big heel reaction from setting him on fire last time around.

Now, as for who Kane is actually talking about, I still think it might be 'Taker. Obviously this time around he left on his feet instead of in a grave or flaming casket, but it might simply be that Kane's mind has snapped, and he doesn't know how Undertaker keeps surviving. I mean, Kane has attempted to kill his half-brother at least twice (flaming casket at Royal Rumble 1998, Buried Alive at Survivor Series 2003) and both times, UT has come back and whipped Kane's ass. I mean, look at Wrestlemania XX, it was basically a squash match. Maybe Kane has snapped and he thinks that UT should be dead.

A second theory could be Paul Bearer. I mean, the last time we saw Paul Bearer, Undertaker was burying him alive in Heyman's concrete crypt. Now, the storyline of the Concrete Crypt match was that if 'Taker didn't lay down for the Dudleyz, then his confidant, Bearer, would be killed. And, the last words 'Taker said before pulling the lever on the truck were "Rest In Peace". However, we were then told on SmackDown that Bearer was "severly injured" and in a "life-threatening condition", with problems including collapsed lungs and crushed bones. However, we were never given a final outcome to the story, so in effect, Kane's asking the question we all were about Bearer - is he dead or alive?

And obviously, there's Vince McMahon. Now, I see two outcomes that revolve around the Vince McMahon storyline. One is that either Kane is concerned about Vince's health, either that he hopes Vince isn't dead due to some secret between the two of them, or that he hopes Vince is dead, possibly meaning that Kane was the cause of the Stage Collapse. The other option is that, when Vince called out Paul as he was rescued from the wreckage, it was something to do with Paul Bearer, which simply ties in somehow with the above reasoning on Bearer, with Bearer (and Kane?) being the cause of the Stage Collapse.

Which one is it? Well, my money goes on it being Bearer. Kane has had no storylines with Vince, so it doesn't make sense for him to be anything to do with the stage, and it doesn't make sense for it to be Undertaker, as that would bring UT back on Raw, while he still has a score to settle on SmackDown with Edge. So yeah, for me, Paul Bearer is alive, Kane, he's alive.

[chrisgod]

You hit it right on the button. At least If I was writing this storyline. Make him an extension of his movie character. Anyone who has seen See No Evil knows the ending. The question being left on my mind was "Did he die?" Maybe that's what Kane is wondering too. Thus bringing him into a state of confusion where he thinks he is Jacob Goodnight. Then he goes and acts all psycho and shit and fully regains his monster heel persona.

That just gave me a clue where all this is going... someone mentioned the May 19 storyline, which turned out to be nothing but a way to promote the see no evil movie... And I remember they want to do a "movie franchise" of this Jacob Goodnight character, so it's about time to have the second movie... Maybe they will go with this for a couple of months, then have something like a movie premiere and that's it...

As I remember, the may 19 broadcast (a smackdown one) was just Kane appearing in the main event to squash the then World champ Rey Mysterio... just because he said may 19... and after that he beat JBL too... then the next monday he got a backstage promo when he explained that may 19 was the date their parents died burned (and also before this I tought Paul Bearer was his father and Undertaker and him were half brothers)... but now days afther that date, he was all good and can continue his life... then fake kane appeared... and we all know how bad it was... the only thing I enjoyed of this storyline was that Kane went on beating people who said that date and even tried to chokeslam Lillian Garcia... and I remember HBK as special guest referee with a may 19 t-shirt which him took off and put on someone else who got tombstoned...

[familymark]

heres my idea of where this is going. Shane and stephanie hired kane to make the stage collapse to take mcmahon out so they can take charge and so he will stop giving away their inheritnace. they wont say how he is to make kane go crazy so when he comes back they can have him lead their stable against whatever wrestlers mcmahon brings to help him.

[Mr Wrestlemania]

I and others I know have made our own assumptions in thinking that Kane went on that rampage because he was the one who "sabotaged" the set causing it to fall on Mr. McMahon. Problem is the only storyline motive I can come up with is he's either tired of not getting his shot at the World Title or that he wants to create his own legacy in WWE (like 'Taker) with no one to hold him back.

[Mantard]

I may second the motion about the Kane v McMahon deal. While at first it seemed kinda strange and kinda stupid, in a twisted way, it almost makes sense. Let's take Kane's actions of late into account:

ECW Champ is drafted to Raw, complete with title (something that wasn't done with Lashley last year, or whenever that was). Okay, fine. Kane loses to a possibly even bigger (no pun intended) jobber than him: Mark Henry. Kinda lame. After being driven down the ladder from Raw, to Smackdown (by Umaga, now another fatty jobber), to ECW, (I guess Kane just kinda moved, or something), he wins the World title for ECW. Okay, bottom rung of the ladder, but fine.

Oh wait, he's drafted to Raw again. Yay, a promotion (sorta). Oh wait, there goes the ECW title. Well shit.

So Kane is back at the same spot he was. I'd be in a bit of a foul mood too. McMahon gives "random" people anywhere from $500k to $2, and Kane can't even get that. So some stage equipment falls on his head. Har har, the score is even, says Kane.

Then, he randomly asserts himself into the Fatal Four Way match by saying "I want in." Okay, whatever. I'm sure no one saw him actually winning (because obviously he didn't anyway), but with no GM, you might as well try to get a title out of it. Well damn, Kane didn't then either. Mkay. Good times.

Maybe he figures if he goes insane, THIS time around it'll actually lead somewhere. Didn't really last time. If I were Kane, I'd bring back the hook from See No Evil and just start gacking people with it.

So yeah, in the midst of all that, I assumed that McMahon is indeed whom Kane is talking about. If Undertaker is indeed to break up the Edge/Vickie wedding (I hope to God), then I doubt Kane would be talking about him, seeing as how that'd probably keep Taker on SD!

Who knows, though. With all the randomness of WWE lately, maybe Kane is talking about Clay Aiken. If that's the case, I would hope dead.

[Rug3r]

Don't think he's talking about the Undertaker, because if he knows he's gone... he would know how he left. He didn't die, obviously. About Vince, I don't know I'll have to see how it plays out next week. Paul Bearer is my guess, no need to spell it out.

[impact11686]

To me there are only two options for this storyline that would make sense. The first is that Kane is talking about Vince. If it is him it could come out that someone hired Kane to take out Vince because of the million dollar mania.

The second is that it is Paul Bearer. I think it is a long shot but could make things interesting. Especially if they bring Bearer back and have him manage someone to against Kane.

[Rug3r]

I think it's pretty much guaranteed to be Paul Bearer now, since he refused to answer the question of whether Kane was talking about him, he should have just not replied.

[Crimson Bonez]

"is he alive or dead...." ok after taking some time of thought ive come to some conclusions....

1. kanes talking about paul bearer, bearer was "barried alive" and said to have
ben severly injured.. now for those that said that he wasnt annouced dead just injured, kanes not saying hes dead he wants to know weither hes still alive or has he past

2. kane was the 1 that did the stage collaspe, now many are asking "why would kane do that it wouldnt make since and he has no grudge over vince" why also have "vince isnt dead we all saw that" now we know he wasnt "dead" as he left we dont no what happened" agin he was asking "is he alive or dead" as in not knowing meaning he wants to know, ok why would kane try and kill vince

A). its the undertakers doing, taker is in kanes head hes telling him what to do, he told him rig the thing so id fall and break down taker is "banished" from the wwe meaning he wont be aloud there so he sends kane to do his biding and take out vince. we all know vinces and takers history
a. a fault in that would be that theyve ben building the taker and edge fued for sometime on smackdown, and i think that taker would find some way to get his revenge on edge before leaving smackdown, maybe crash the wedding purhaps i duno, but i hear taker and triple h dont get along and maybe that TLC match was the end of the taker edge fued

B). and we have the mcmahans, they dont like vince was giving away their money so they paid some1 or promised some1 something if they toke out vince kane wants to know if he suceed thus asking is he alive or dead wanting to finish the job shane and steph havent told him anything he knows what we know...ABOSOLUTLY NOTHING and maybe kane thought some1 would know he cant take the suspence snaps and attachs cole

C). and last theres regal, he didnt like the suspension, and thinking that him taking out mcmahan would put him back on top when he returns and kane was the guy that he told do it and made a deal if kane takes him out he gets a world title shot or somthing
c. a fault in this would obviously be that regal may not cont. to recieve that push after the suspension

those are my theorys on "is he alive or dead" and at the moment thats all i see would be the logical for it, for the guy that said maybe its jammie noble, in a way i could see him talking about him but i doubt that theyd end a main event with kane worring about noble... id hope not anyway

[simeon63]

Wow I like the ideals everyone is bouncing off eachother, its awesome and I believe we are homing in on the storyline.
Ok what if the McMahon kids have information or holding Paul Bearer hostage,
and is forcing Kane to commit these act's against his will. What if they refuse to give up information until Kane finishes the job ? Did Vince see Paul Bearer because he was bait ?

[mrtuddy]

so pretty much everything is saying the same thing: Vince McMahon, Undertaker, or Paul Bearer (except for that one guy who threw Jamie Noble into the mix).

Those are pretty much the only possibilities in a lot of peoples' eyes. I don't know who it would be though. While I don't really have any interest in the Vince McMahon angle anymore... due to them not doing anything with it in the past two weeks except having Shane and Stephanie being like, "hey.... don't ask don't tell... stick together... you take the good, you take the bad, you take 'em both and there you have..." I would LOVE to see Undertaker come back to RAW and give him a chance to feud with new people... or Orton or Cena (seeing as how he's feuded with them in the past).

But in regards to the Paul Bearer idea, I only have one question: does Kane not know how to use a computer? I'm sure he's learned after all these years. Go to the superstar section on WWE.com and check out "Where Are they Now?" Paul Bearer has a profile up there, and is clearly ALIVE. So there's your answer Kane, Bearer's alive... find someone else to ask questions about.

[TheTruNoLimit]

I would think Paul Bearer could be a possibility, it would make sense and all considering their past, but, come on, Undertaker "killed" Bearer in 2004. It's now nearly 4 years ago to the date. Sure, Kane asked the question just weeks before the event at which Bearer was written off, but, what the hell would make him decide to worry about this four years later? Doesn't add up.

The entire Vince scenario would make much more sense. I can see him wondering whether Vince is dead or alive because he would be the one behind the stage collapse. It's easy motivation, despite them not having much of a past. Maybe Kane is fed up with getting nowhere and not getting the opportunities that he deserves from Vince, since he calls the shot. He can argue that Vince has been holding him back for too long and that with Vince gone, he finally has a chance to become a World Heavyweight Champion. Think of all the examples you'd have of Kane getting screwed over throughout his career. Certainly enough fuel for the fire if creative does the angle right.

He can also be hired by Shane and Stephanie, who want to take Vince out because, hey, maybe the money Vince was giving away could've been their inheritance money as someone else pointed out on the forum. You can have the angle go all Summer, and Shane can come back and manage Kane, and take over as GM of Raw and be very favorable to Kane and no one knows why. They can even play off the old Shane/Kane rivalry. Shane knows exactly what Kane's capable of which is why they hired him specifically to take out Vince. In return, Shane gives Kane everything he desires, which leads to a Kane title run. Vince can triumphantly return with a superstar representing him, maybe the Undertaker. You can have a Kane/McMahon faction vs. an Undertaker/McMahon faction. Come on, Wrestlemania can have Kane and Shane vs. Undertaker and Vince. Sounds far out there, but that would be beyond hyped.

I personally hope it leads to a legit push for Kane. I hope it's not a storyline contrived to just put over the return of a manager or the Undertaker.

[familymark]

for those that think its paul bearer just because of the message does "son of a bulldog" mean anything to you. I really like my original idea of stephanie and shane. When they have given their updates for vince I havent heard them mention linda once. It would be the perfect way to bring undertaker back since he was banned he cant just show up or that wouldnt make any sence so vince should have to bring him back to fend of shane and kane. All paul bearer will do is get some pops for a couple weeks then its the same ol white fat man doing the same thing besides wwe isnt really into using male managers anymore lets face it after jimmy hart, slick the brain and mr fugi good male managers just went downhill.

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

Well, if it IS McMahon, then the logical storyline would be :

Hornswoggle was discovered to not be Vince's illegitimate son. I guess thats where Kane would come in. Kane could have been trying to kill Vinnie Mac for inheritance, power, whatever. Thats the only plausable storyline I see coming of the question "Is he alive or is he dead?" being about Vince.

Personally, I think it's Paul Bearer, only because of his nice little message that screams its a possibility.

That's the logical storyline? Hahaha. I don't know why everyone is still so hell-bent on bringing back the illegitimate son angle. Its over. No pushes for Kennedy with that, no Kane involvement, no "Michael Cole was the son and that's why he's been moved to Raw so that he could be with the McMahon family"...its just a completely finished angle that was terrible lol.

I don't know why everyone thinks its Paul Bearer. Haven't we been hearing for a while now that he has no interest in coming back?

Even though we have no clue about a motive yet, it would make much more sense for it to be about Vince. Both episodes since the "accident", the McMahons have blatantly refused to give an update about Vince's condition. So, reality aside, we're all supposed to be wondering whether or not Vince is ok and if he's possibly dead and they're not saying so. But even more so, why would the WWE have a story about Kane wondering about the health of someone, PLUS a storyline about people wondering about Vince's health, both on the same show? That's hardly creative. If you're a fan of doubling up, then I guess we'll have Natalya in a wedding storyline along with Vickie lol.

But we don't know what this means for Kane. Is Vince in the position that he could actually become a face because of this, allowing Kane to turn full monster-heel? Cause for the most part, people cheer Vince if he hasn't been out in a while, but then he goes right back to being a heel. I'd love to see Vince as a face for a little while.

Oh and as for Regal being involved.....the only way I can see him getting in it is if the "psycho Kane" storyline is intertwined with the "martial law" aspect, and Vince decides that Raw needs a general manager so he might as well bring back Regal to do the job.

[TJ2069]

My first guess was mabey it was Helms. I know hes coming back soon and i know him and kane had a past. Mabey there bringing helms into raw as mabey as kanes adviser/manger role.

But the one im hopeing is hes refuring to himself as if the old kane is dead or alive. Mabey there doing what they did to undertaker when he changed back. Kanes going back to the old Kane and wont be changed backed untill he gets his mask back and gets his full power ba ck and ounce again becomes the monster he wants was in the wwe.

Just some thoughts off my head

[mrtuddy]

Okay... people... I'm not a fortune teller but I can tell you this:

It is NOT Gregory Helms, it is NOT Jamie Noble, and it is NOT Finlay/Hornswoggle who are involved in this angle. That would just be stupid. WWE is trying to build Kane up again (I guess this could possibly be his final hurrah before retiring) and to then add a mid-card/someone nobody cares about (i.e. Noble) would be stupid.

Think about it: if the revelation was Gregory Helms, that would be terrible. His music coming on, on a RAW telecast, a show which he is not familiar with (if he isn't the hurricane). That's like randomly making it Funaki... which, contrary to popular belief, would not work well.

[WrestlingDude]

Well AryaNTerR0rism, if this is a kane storyline, then theres no such thing as it for to make sense.

If this storyline involves Paul Bearer then WWE would've informed Percy Pringle but as he posted but on his website, they did not.

[Shua]

I am so glad Kane is back to doing what he does best, being a monster heel. The way his mask gradually kept getting smaller until the point where he removed it, made him lose all sorts of credibility as a monster. I had high hopes when he became a monster heel (sans mask) and it worked.....until he feuded with Snitsky, and then became a face.

The whole "is he dead or alive" thing hopefully is referring to Paul Bearer. Kane's character is in need of some serious guidance, and Paul has always been there in the past to give him a helping hand.

I really hope that Kane steps it up and becomes a legit main eventer. I'm hoping this new angle really works for him.

Edit:

If this storyline involves Paul Bearer then WWE would've informed Percy Pringle but as he posted but on his website, they did not. Did not the same situation arise when shortly before Matt Hardy made his WWE return? Matt denied it, and "lied" to everyone when he bashed WWE and made it seem like he was gone for good, only to return.

That's what's called the element of surprize. Most sites like WZ tend to get the inside scoop and take away that element....so it's nice to have a little something kept secret sometimes.

[Ryan88]

Someone actually said on here or somewhere else IIRC, that they heard Kane say to Michael Cole (since this person wasn't watching at the time, but listening) that Kane could over heard be yelling "McMahon!", or "Vince McMahon!". Hopefully this turn ends up being like it was in 2003 where he was a monster heel, minus the mask.

[Golden Standard]

Yeah finally wwe giving Kane respect again and having him be the beast and monster like he used to be. Hopefully this leads into Kane being wwe champion again. And i doubt this Kane angle has anything to do with Vince.

[familymark]

I have one more idea as to how this storyline could play out before i see more next monday night. Kane is still talking about mcmahon and he made the stage collapse but it was to kill vince so the undertaker can come back. If the wwe wants to stick with their storylines ut cannot go to smackdown or ecw because they both have general managers that will not allow it because of the bannishment but raw does not have a gm so he goes and tries to kill vince so no one will be in charge and the undertaker can come to raw. this though would not turn kane heel but just make him a psycho trying to help his brother

[Taker316]

Wow damn. Never thought of Boogeyman. And Paul Bearer...funny they mention him on the WWE site. Maybe its just a teaser of some sort after all the speculation, people talking about Paul coming back. Way too many ways they could go with this storyline to even begin to think wtf is going on! lol

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

On WWE.com they list the "odds" for who Kane could of been referring to:

Captain America= 1:1000

2Pac: 1:100

Rajin Singh: 1:80

Jacob Goodnight: 1:75

Pete Rose: 1:50

JR: 1:10

Boogeyman: 1:8

VKM: 1:5

UT: 1:4

Paul Bearer: 1:3

Interesting....

Haha Captain America. Doesn't Kane know about the officially named "Marvel's Revolving Door of Death"?


Honestly, I think the only things we have to study here are the last 3. Boogeyman and the others, they're just stretching to add stuff to the list. Singh because he's been absent for a while, 2pac as a joke obviously with Cap, no clue why JR is on the list...Boogeyman's been absent for a long while and he's got the supernatural thing going on too, so they just added him for that.

But I still can't see it being Paul Bearer or Undertaker. If Kane was on Smackdown or ECW, not Raw, then it might be one of them, but not on Vince's baby.

[Mantard]

I'd say it has to be one of the last three, but for the hell of it I'll try disproving the possibility of each:

Vince: Let's go back to last year. He "died," and it was all over WWE. Everyone was in "mourning," they tried to make the shows somber and downtrodden, etc etc. This year, it's just kinda Steph sayin "Okay everybody, hold hands. No pushing. This is a sad time." Plus, unless Vince died of spinal complications later, he was clearly alive (and screaming like a banshee) when RAW went off that night. So okay.

Undertaker: I'd assume Kane has a TV, and watched ONS (considering he was the poster boy, but of course not IN it). Undertaker didn't die (although after some of the bumps I'm surprised), he just kinda... had to leave. Yup.

Paul Bearer: Unless this is an election year for bringing back stars, it seems odd that four years later Kane randomly flips and remembers "that guy Paul." Call me crazy, but if I would be concerned about someone buried in cement, it wouldn't take me four years. Good luck getting him out Kane: It doesn't take cement four years to dry. Also, WWE said he was just "injured," not dead.

So really, I have no idea. These three seem the most logical, and yet very unlikely.

[Joaquim Akaem]

This is my theory......
WWE probabally wants the mystery person to be a suprise, right?
So they have pretty much just given us a list of the people who it is NOT going to be.

Now I don't have a better idea as to who it is... Paul Bearer never crossed my mind, Vince... most likley, but too obvious, Kane would have just said "is Mcmahon alive or dead". if it was him. and Taker, was "banished" from the entire WWE just a short month ago.

It must just be a random unknown person with some link to an unexplained fictional event in Kanes past. Kanes storylines don't make the most sense as it is, the whole May 19th angle was super hyped and was just a massive letdown.

[streicher187]

Maybe he is talking about himself, The OLD cane with the mask who was a monster.

I HOPE he's not talking about his character in the movie he played and this is a way to get promotion going for a second movie...

[snidercrs]

I have got say that I am leaning towards Paul Bearer as the answer to this debocale. If you check out Paul B's website www.percypringle.com, he has posted a giant question mark on the page and it says "kayfabe is still alive...But is Paul Bearer." Even if it turns out not to be him, he is at least playing the game.

[Sedated]

I have got say that I am leaning towards Paul Bearer as the answer to this debocale. If you check out Paul B's website www.percypringle.com, he has posted a giant question mark on the page and it says "kayfabe is still alive...But is Paul Bearer." Even if it turns out not to be him, he is at least playing the game.

That seems to be a answer to people talking about Vince screaming for "Paul" w/ the original thought being he was talking to HHH. Based on his latest comment it would leave you to believe Kane was in fact talking about Paul Bearer. The only question now is if he's just having some fun playing along/messing with us or if something big could possibly come of this. My money is still on that he's talking about Vince but i'm hoping for more.

[Razz]

I hope this angle somehow involves Kane going back to his mask again, that would be great. It was kind of odd when he first unmasked and had all these fake burns and things on his face, they soon disappeared and I don't think they explained it. Maybe even he can get a new mask and attire. I think the current persona of Kane has gotten a little stale.

[slickman123]

i have always been puzzled why the wwe stuck kane in the mid card? i mean batista isnt amazing in the ring yet he is put in main event after main event! kane is a very underated performer and one of the better big men in the history of the w.w.e and Seriously has anyone ever played the monster physco role better then kane?????? hell he was so good at it he got his own dam movie! i may be grown up teenager but kane can still scare the shit out of me whens hes a physco remoresless monster! hopefully this is where the wwe is going with his character!

[andymcg]

Jesus wat to say .... first off well done to wwe for FINALLY givin the fans a storyline were we cant see the outcome within a few days.

ive been doing alot of thinking over this storyline and have come up with a few general ideas , possible ideas n completly out of the box ideas. First up heres the general ideas.

vince - well this hus bonus and bad point. the stage collapsed yes but why would kane do this ? could it be the undertaker geting back at vince for something or the wwe and he is using kane as a puppet to get his job back ? only thing is we all know vince didnt die on that night but kane could be geting frustrated that shane n steph arent given out info.

paul bearer - seen a few people mention that vince was shouting for "paul" when the stage collapsed. could it be he seen paul bearer n kane somehow found out ?

undertaker - well his brother has been banished from wwe and isnt actually "dead" but could kanes mind be weaving in and out and hes thinking he may be dead ?

NOW ONTO 50/50 POSSIBILTIES

shane n steph - there my second thoughts. shane would know how to get into kanes head after the years of fueding with him. could they have used kane to take out there dad but then turned on him for some reason ?

himself - could he be shouting at himself about is the "real" destructive kane still alive or dead within him ?

NOW IDEAS WAY OUT THE BOX

paul HEYMAN - yes thats write u read that proper. i no heyman hates wwe and vince isnt keen on him either but at this time it looks like vince would do anything to get the rateings up. ofcourse vince was saying "paul" when the stage collapsed , miby screaming for him to come save the wwe in a way. ofcourse heyman has recently said he doesnt want anything to do with wrestling but as someone mentioned matt hardy denyed everything to do with wwe before returning.

jacob goodnight - well for use who have seen his movie "See No Evil" am sure use no who he is. its the charcter that kane potrays in the movie. could he be trying to get that charcter out of himself in asking if he is dead or alive ?

now also id like to add kane started on michael cole first , which would suggest cole may have been there when this person "died". cole was there when taker was banished but was also there when bearer was crypted in the cement (4 years ago at funnily enough the great american bash). heyman was also there as it was him that made undertaker do it so that is why i think he could have somthing to do with it.

bottom line is who noes , the possibilties are endless and for the first time in a long long time wwe are given us a storyline were NOONE at this moment in time can figure it out. my favourites lie with bearer to be the one kane is on about. we all know his minds manageled so it could have taken his 4 years to want to find out about bearer and it was 4 years to the great american bash he was crypted in cement.

[Derf]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that the person involved is someone new, someone none of us have ever heard of. It's going to be a way for Kane to introduce a new charecter, some monster heal, or somthing like that. Kane has tried several times in the past few years to go Heal, and they've all failed. Some onster heal is gonna begin a feud with kane, and thats all she wrote.


That, or Vince is gonna give the rub to Kane as a way to push him to the ME again, just like Lashley and Horny lol

[locoxmw]

Dude vince was aying "paul" becuase he was talkin to triple h..."paul i cant feel my legs" hense triple hs real name...he wanted to make it look real like he was hurt...and kane i think hes saying...is he dead or alive becuase...is taker returning as the deadman...or american badass(alive) or jacob goodnight for a sequal to see no evil...like hear no evil. or speak no evil....thats be cool


Jesus wat to say .... first off well done to wwe for FINALLY givin the fans a storyline were we cant see the outcome within a few days.

ive been doing alot of thinking over this storyline and have come up with a few general ideas , possible ideas n completly out of the box ideas. First up heres the general ideas.

vince - well this hus bonus and bad point. the stage collapsed yes but why would kane do this ? could it be the undertaker geting back at vince for something or the wwe and he is using kane as a puppet to get his job back ? only thing is we all know vince didnt die on that night but kane could be geting frustrated that shane n steph arent given out info.

paul bearer - seen a few people mention that vince was shouting for "paul" when the stage collapsed. could it be he seen paul bearer n kane somehow found out ?

undertaker - well his brother has been banished from wwe and isnt actually "dead" but could kanes mind be weaving in and out and hes thinking he may be dead ?

NOW ONTO 50/50 POSSIBILTIES

shane n steph - there my second thoughts. shane would know how to get into kanes head after the years of fueding with him. could they have used kane to take out there dad but then turned on him for some reason ?

himself - could he be shouting at himself about is the "real" destructive kane still alive or dead within him ?

NOW IDEAS WAY OUT THE BOX

paul HEYMAN - yes thats write u read that proper. i no heyman hates wwe and vince isnt keen on him either but at this time it looks like vince would do anything to get the rateings up. ofcourse vince was saying "paul" when the stage collapsed , miby screaming for him to come save the wwe in a way. ofcourse heyman has recently said he doesnt want anything to do with wrestling but as someone mentioned matt hardy denyed everything to do with wwe before returning.

jacob goodnight - well for use who have seen his movie "See No Evil" am sure use no who he is. its the charcter that kane potrays in the movie. could he be trying to get that charcter out of himself in asking if he is dead or alive ?

now also id like to add kane started on michael cole first , which would suggest cole may have been there when this person "died". cole was there when taker was banished but was also there when bearer was crypted in the cement (4 years ago at funnily enough the great american bash). heyman was also there as it was him that made undertaker do it so that is why i think he could have somthing to do with it.

bottom line is who noes , the possibilties are endless and for the first time in a long long time wwe are given us a storyline were NOONE at this moment in time can figure it out. my favourites lie with bearer to be the one kane is on about. we all know his minds manageled so it could have taken his 4 years to want to find out about bearer and it was 4 years to the great american bash he was crypted in cement.

[Highway Boots]

I know this may seem tasteless but Vince has been known to pull some extremely tasteless stunts over the years so I wouldn't discount ANYTHING wrestling related

This could be one of the biggest "wool over the eyes" moments in all of TV but it could be be one of two people and that is Eddie Guerrero

It's just crazy enough for this to work. I would hope that it isn't one of these 2 for the sake of our sanity but Vince is just twisted enough to try and pull just this sort of stunt.

After all Vickie is about to "marry" Edge almost 3 years after Eddie's death. It would be a prime time for him to show up and put a stop to it.

God, I hope I am wrong, but as I said before, Vince is twisted enough to do something like this.

[ironman666]

Im really leaning towards undertaker as being who kane is referring to, but remember with y2j on ecw? Tazz said something to the effect of i don't know what that was about but you better tune in to monday night raw to find out and bam y2j comes back with a huge entrance. Now that was going on for months before wwe revealed what the messages meant even though the meaning was obvious. i don't think that this will come to a head on raw tonight but the bash is right around the corner and some light may be shed on the situation. Here's why the taker return storyline makes sense. is he live or dead? Is he returning or gone? He may be wondering about his brothers future. Now as long as wwe has thrown captain america out there... is he live or dead? has he thoughts within his head? We'll just pass him there Why should we even care?-iron man
that seems far fetched but who knows the theme of that song could feed into kanes monser persona If this is a vince mcmahon storyline it really needs to be better than the exploding limo and illegitimate child angles


a lot of possibilities but i think we just need to wait for raw tonight and with the bash right around the corner things should start picking up soon

[simeon63]

I believe Kane is referring to Paul Bearer, the storyline is Steph and Shane were upset about Vince giving away millions, so they forced Kane to do these acts against Vince, and they have told Kane they are holding Paul prisoner until the job is complete.

[Jappa121]

I know this may seem tasteless but Vince has been known to pull some extremely tasteless stunts over the years so I wouldn't discount ANYTHING wrestling related

This could be one of the biggest "wool over the eyes" moments in all of TV but it could be be one of two people and that is Eddie Guerrero

It's just crazy enough for this to work. I would hope that it isn't one of these 2 for the sake of our sanity but Vince is just twisted enough to try and pull just this sort of stunt.

After all Vickie is about to "marry" Edge almost 3 years after Eddie's death. It would be a prime time for him to show up and put a stop to it.

God, I hope I am wrong, but as I said before, Vince is twisted enough to do something like this.


Are you Implying Eddie Guerrero isnt dead? Thatd be insane, But I doubt the WWE would do that or even be able to pull it off. There was a part of me deep down inside that was thinking about something like that, but I was pretty sure it wasnt benoit and I'm pretty sure Eddie is dead to, is there anyone else who might have "Died". I doubt that this is what is going to happen but its fun to think about

[buckfast67uk]

Are you Implying Eddie Guerrero isnt dead?


:lol:

holy shit!


There are two clear possibilities here.

Vince McMahon and the Undertaker.

But neither are currently assumed to be "dead" kaypabe or not so i don't quite get what the writers are meaning here if either is the case. That's where Paul Bearer seems more appropriate.

It'd be pretty awesome to have Bearer back, Kane masked again and turn into an indestructable heel again

[Antleader]

So, is it possible that Kane has in his bag tonight the mask that he stole from the impostor Kane a few years ago. The story line was dropped for some reason. The impostor Kane is who is now Festus, Festus was in essence possibly taken out of action by Edge and his guys. So is it possible that the Impostor Kane story line is coming back.

[johnnywalker85]

We're obviously about to find out, but I'd bet a large sum of money that it's his mask. The shape of whatever's in the bag -- couldn't be a weapon, couldn't be much else. It could be a contract on a clip board or something, though I don't know what the contract would entail (maybe the Undertaker's contract). I think it's his mask, though. He's turning into a monster for the umteenth time.

So, is it possible that Kane has in his bag tonight the mask that he stole from the impostor Kane a few years ago. The story line was dropped for some reason. The impostor Kane is who is now Festus, Festus was in essence possibly taken out of action by Edge and his guys. So is it possible that the Impostor Kane story line is coming back.

Not that the WWE is against driving terrible storylines into the ground, but I doubt that such a weak and lackluster angle like the Imposter Kane story would be re-introduced. I could be totally wrong, though.

OK, Punk just won so let's see what happens.

[Tastycles]

I think the bag looked as it it had something flaccid inside it. The mask is the obvious choice, but as much as I want it to happen, and even though I thought it at one stage, I can't see a return to a masked Kane. In an earlier post I said that Kane was better as a masked enigma, and I've since realised that it was the enigma part that was interesting - I wanted to know what this mans horrific scars, that were so bad he'd been masked all of his life, really looked like. But now I know, I can't see how a masked Kane would be interesting.

I think one things for certain though, which is that whoever Kane is talking about, he will almost certainly be alive, as it would be a bit of a crap feud if he wasn't, although watching him fight a corpse is better than finding out how he raped one.

[tokenjew22]

After seeing the end of RAW tonight, it led me to the conclusions of:


Either Kane is talking about himself; He NEEDS this match to prove to himself he still has it in him to compete for the main event spots the wrestling world today.....

or

This is a stretch, but maybe Kane can see the future or something CRAZY like that. Cena could have possibly been "killed" after the car deal with JbL tonight.
Could Kane be referring to John Cena?

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

New census: Kane is talking about himself is the first choice.

What's in the bag: Its either the mask (my preference), the hook (I hope not), or its Marcellus Wallace's soul from the briefcase in Pulp Fiction haha.

Did anyone else notice that Kane seems to be letting his hair grow lately? Its not much at all, but its more than its been for a while. Maybe that's a good sign that he'll be putting the mask on and starting to get that full head of hair again lol.

98 Kane was the man. 2008 Kane doesn't measure up to it. Maybe we'll get a compromise.

[DeadmanInc.]

Well judging by the bag, it seems that Kane is talking about himself, or rather his former self. Maybe he's frustrated that he is no longer winning matches or feared like he once was. The commentators really emphasized the Jekyll-Hyde nature of Kane tonight, which leads me further to believe that he is referring to Masked Kane.

Who knows? They tried the Masked Kane angle before and it flopped the first time. But then again, so did the McMahon death angle yet they're trying it again. Maybe this is their attempt to continue where the Imposter Kane angle left off? The angle abruptly ended when Kane stole Imposter Kane's mask and said "I believe this is mine".



As for the Cena thing, I seriously hope not. WWE better not think we're dumb enough to believe that Cena was actually hit by the car (when the camera angle clearly showed that Cena moved). Dead or alive? There's no question when he clearly wasn't hit.

[Skullz Crack'Em]

After seeing the end of RAW tonight, it led me to the conclusions of:


Either Kane is talking about himself; He NEEDS this match to prove to himself he still has it in him to compete for the main event spots the wrestling world today.....

or

This is a stretch, but maybe Kane can see the future or something CRAZY like that. Cena could have possibly been "killed" after the car deal with JbL tonight.
Could Kane be referring to John Cena?

This may very well be the answer. It sounds crazy, but this is the WWE, so anything is possible, Kane probably can see into the future. Tonight he may have had a vision of losing to CM Punk by a Count-Out, so he challenged Punk to "prove" to himself that he can see the future. After his prediction came true, he freaked and went berzerk, because he now realizes that his destiny is to wear his mask once again(the only way to explain the Mystery Bag at the moment). It is a stretch, but it does make sense with what we were given so far in the last two weeks, with Cena being the one he referred to as "Alive or Dead"?

[simeon63]

Man think someone hit on this much earlier, it is about the character he played in the movie see no Evil. I believe the burlap bag is holding that hook thing his character used. Maybe a part two is slated to be filmed.

[streicher187]

It won't happen but would be sweet if the bag was an ode to Jake the Snake. If he was looking for Jake(or jake has been guiding him).. And Jake returns as his manager. I guess he is clean now after WWE paid for his rehab and a monster Kane being controlled by the snake would make for a great character..

GOD I hope he wasn't referring to the Warrior (since a lot of people think he's dead)..

[Razz]

Wow so many crazy ideas posted, some of them very good interesting and funny. I posted a few days earlier in this thread that I hoped this would lead Kane back to a masked version with a possible new look and attire. Now him coming out with the paper bag is very interesting...I just hope this does not turn out to be something really lame. And the Eddie Guerrero thing would be incredible, but come on Eddie Guerrero is dead, there is no way he would be covered in the media and everything like that and go to the Hall of Fame and go into hiding perfectly like that lol...

[Tastycles]

I've seen a few people in this thread seriously entertaining the possibility that it is Eddie Guerrero. Really? Do you honestly think that three years ago Vince said "Hey, Eddie, I've got a good idea, we'll fake your death, put you into hiding for a few years, and then in about 3 years we'll have a midcarder act in a cryptic fashion, and then you'll return. Don't worry about looking after the family, we'll get your wife to engage in an on screen relationship with another wrestler. Is that ok?"

Actually you're probably right, and at Summerslam I'll look like an idiot when Guerrero, Benoit, Crash Holly and Abraham Lincoln come down to the ring and attack Kane.

[daletango]

Man think someone hit on this much earlier, it is about the character he played in the movie see no Evil. I believe the burlap bag is holding that hook thing his character used. Maybe a part two is slated to be filmed.

The fact that the bag was green in similar colour to the clothes Jacob Goodknight wore and we hear WWE wants to make more films around the character says to me it will indeed be the hook.

I think the whole.. "is he dead or alive" angle is Kane finding it hard to distinguish between himself and Jacob Goodknight.

[Mr. Showtime]

It's pretty obvious that the mask is in the bag, and it's also pretty obvious that Kane's reffering to himself '' is he alive or dead?''. Didn't you notice that any time Punk got the better of Kane in their match last night that Kane looked as if he wanted to go for the steel chair, implicating that the old kane wouldnt have been as much on the beating end of CM Punk's assault.

This is an intresting storyline. Although I feel not enough was revealed tonight on who Kane is talking about. I also really wanted him to be apart of the GAB. Even though he doesn't have a match I wouldn't count out an appearance from Kane.

[familymark]

After watching a great Raw I now think he is talking about himself. I think he has the mask in the bag but dosent want to go back to wearing it so thats why he challenged punk to see if he could beat him without it. but since he didnt beat him my guess is that the unmasked kane is pretty much dead and that the masked kane will come alive.

[BrooklynBuc]

Here's my 28 cents:

Kane is definitely talking about himself. Think about it character and storyline-wise: Kane had lost three straight matches, from ECW the week before Vengeance when he lost to Mark Henry, then losing the ECW championship at the PPV, then to Batista in the Fatal Four-Way. All of them he was pinned by relatively weak moves. He snapped because he's tired of losing. He's tired of falling to lesser opponents and people not being afraid of him. (remember when The Miz guaranteed victory over Kane? Would he have even passed the old Kane in the hallway? Meanwhile Miz is STILL petrified of The Undertaker from the whooping he gave him two years ago) Kane's struggle is that the monster within, the real Big Red Machine, is dead because his intensity isn't there. The old Kane could kick out of the most fearsome of finishers. The old Kane would NEVER be the target in a Triple-threat or a Fatal Four-way. Kane is yelling "is he alive or dead" because he wants to know if the intense monster that destroyed people is really gone, (and will Kane be this shell of a man that has jobbed over and over again the past four years?), or is the monster still alive and able to come back and destroy everyone, which is what the mask symbolized. This could even lead to why the masked Kane won over the original Kane last summer.

I do think it's the mask and not Paul Bearer (why bring him back honestly?), not The Undertaker (the storylines are close but we've done this before) and it's certainly not Vince McMahon (another storyline is already going along with him). I think Kane will eventually put the mask and outfit back on, and become a dominant monster again, with maybe even a World Heavyweight Championship reign in there.

[MisterIsa]

I think you should all stick to your first two ideas. That of Undertaker or Paul Bearer, because 1. it is confirmed that Taker is supposed to return to the ring and 2. GAB from 4 years ago when Paul B. was "killed". I think what Kane is walking around with the urn that Paul B. was walking around with.

[Shocky]

Skullz hit on a good point that maybe it's Kane seeing into the future or something like that with John Cena. I think whatever these visions are will eventually lead to a full fledged heel turn and the mask being put back on him. Taking the Mask off of Kane was a mistake in the first place, and it only worked for about 9 months before he was made to look weak once again to the Undertaker. Since WM 20, Kane has been nothing. A heel turn, back into a monster would be ideal, and something that Raw is lacking at this point.

[PDecicco]

2 weeks ago during Raw's live discussion the beginning of the "alive or dead" thing I said this would be a perfect time for them to bring back masked Kane.

My idea at the time was Kane is having some sort of inner turmoil and is hearing voices. In his demented state he becomes more of a monster. As he continues to lose his mind he grows out his hair as he continues to go more wild.

Slowly we would be shown the idea that Kane is hearing his old mask talking to him...and it becomes obvious that Kane is becoming delusional.

That was my idea then...Now I've added to it, as I think I'm pretty close to what's going on.

Kane is wondering if his old self...his monster self...is alive or dead. He was more successful at that time. People feared him. And generally he just more relevant. So Kane keeps hearing "is he alive or dead".

At first he doesn't know what's going on, so he begins trying to find out if somebody else is alive or dead. Then he begins to wonder if he is, hense is the monster alive inside of him.

When he decides that the monster is alive he puts back on the mask and becomes a wrecking machine.

And the reason he is carrying the mask in a bag is he needs to hear what the mask is saying to him. That's how he functions, by doing what his old self, represented as the mask, tells him to do.

And is Paul Bearer could make an appearance in an attempt to guide Kane and Kane went ape shit on him, it would really help his psychotic monster turn around.

[Gifted Music]

All of these are valid points but remember this.. Kane exactly hasn't been booed out of the building yet.. And based on how everyone feels about the "Old Kane"... If Kane comes out wearing that mask and outfit, the crowd is more likely to erupt then boo. I'm not saying he CAN'T turn heel, i'm just saying they need to do it at the right time and put him with the right person for his first feud. In my opinion, if his first feud is with ANYONE other than The Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Batista or John Cena, I don't see the heel turn working. CM Punk has been booed in his feud with Batista so I don't see Kane feuding with CM Punk as a way to get his heel turn over.

If theres ANY doubt as to the Superstar's popularity, I don't see how it'll work because the Old masked Kane is as beloved as the Deadman Undertaker.. Remember when the Badass Taker cameback at WM as the Phenom? That's the kinda reaction i'm expecting if Kane comes out with that Mask. If he was on Smackdown, i'd say immediately to feud him with Triple H or Jeff Hardy, since they're really the only ones who gets real Monster pops. But since he IS on Raw, i'd say HBK, Cena, Batista, or the Undertaker(since it's not confirmed he'll return to Smackdown).. I wanna see the Mask return... But if it does, its gotta be the right situation.


Personally, i'd like to see Paul Bearer return aswell IF Kane feuded with The Undertaker(unlikely)... They could play up the storyline that Undertaker tried to "kill" Bearer in 2004. Bearer could want revenge. But either way, Kane's heel turn with the mask can only work if feuding with the right guy, most likely John Cena.

[lostsoulforever]

I wonder how long this storyline is going to be allowed to brew.

What I think could happen is that Kane gets involved in a match on Sunday, and is interrupted by a video, or some sort of event in the arena, that would give some sort of clue as to what he's referring to.

[slickman123]

basically i think week by week were gonan see kane talking to himself and questioning the monster inside him till the point he snaps and the mask returns i hope they really make him unstopabble like getting wins over cena batsita e.t.c will really put him over and make him an indestructable force! i think kanes put over enough people in his career its time people repayed the favour as he tries to become a monster again

[TimAH]

If they are really going to put Kane back into the mask i think it would be great if they did something to explain him actually needing it. Like he can snap so much that he purposely sets himself on fire.

[tap-out]

If they are really going to put Kane back into the mask i think it would be great if they did something to explain him actually needing it. Like he can snap so much that he purposely sets himself on fire.

Great point! Probably the best in the thread. Everyone, including me, want to see the mask come back, but no one has had a good reason to wear it except for the fact to make him a monster heel.

I still think Paul Bearer could be put in this story to just blow the roof off with it. Think about it would be the perfect way for an idea to come together. This attempt at Kane wouldn't be half assed then, and it would almost be reminiscent off when he originally debuted with the Bearer.

[joshj 234]

I like what your thinking with him setting himself on fire... Here's what could happen Paul Bearer comes back at the Bash. (since that's where he was "Killed") That's the first part of "Is he alive or dead." Then Bearer tell Kane that he's not the monster that he use to be... That the old monster Kane is dead, and it's time that he needs to be resurected. Thus Kane set's himself on fire the mask comes back and Paul helps Kane go back to his old ways of destorying everything

[BigDaddyT]

I was bummed when he showed up with that friggin bag! I would've been a lot more interested if they would've drug the storyline out with some random attacks on some faces to build up heat. The bag sort've closes a lot of options. I'm probably speaking to soon though. We'll see how it plays out i for one think the Undertaker's Urn is in the bag.

[PDecicco]

I'm fairly certain that it isn't the urn. If I remember correctly the bag was almost flat while it laid at the side of the ring. If it was the urn we would have seen it's shape through the bag.

[andymcg]

I agree with the guys further up that said somthing along the lines of we need a good reason as to why kane has to be masked again. I mean alot of us wanted kane to be unmasked at the time because we wanted to see what was under the mask , the whole mystery of it is what made the masked kane so good.

i also agree with what the couple of guys are saying about bearer should come back and question the unmasked kanes abilitys , once bearer realises kanes strength has rapidly declined he could start to help remould kane into his once destructive self. he could perhaps go as far as him "re-living" the night he was "burned" , perhaps lock him in a casket and set him on fire or somthing so kane would realise how much pain and suffering he truely has been through. after kane has been burned in a casket or somthing keep him off tv for a week or 2 and then bring him back at the right time in a main event fued with the mask and a new outfit n have bearer help him. give him a main title and let him run loose ......

[TheOneBigWill]

While I wouldn't mind seeing it end up being Paul Bearer or the return of a masked Kane.. I present to you two negatives on why either would be back.

Paul Bearer: Last time I checked, his health wasn't exactly the greatest. Kane's heel turn is going to help him greatly, but allowing an over-weight, aging man who was and still is somewhat of a manager-like icon.. to return with or against Kane. Why?

Obviously Kane is furious that whoever this is, isn't 100% for being alive or dead and its driving him insane. So the question is, what does he want it to be? While he said on Raw he thinks he's dead, that doesn't really answer whether or not thats what Kane wants it to be. And once again, I find myself asking.. Why, why Paul Bearer? What can Paul do for Kane now? Short of bringing back an Undertaker v. Kane feud, I don't see a lot Paul can do for him.

Due to how Paul Bearer likely looks, a storyline revolving around Paul Bearer being Kane's manager is WAY out of the question. And a storyline revolving around Kane wanting his "Father" dead completely.. just doesn't seem like it'd be worth it.

Remasking: While the mask is symbolic, the overall question is will it cause us to forget the stupidness that Kane brought with him when he unmasked? Kane isn't Rey Mysterio. He doesn't wear multiple colored masks for all the children to go crazy for.

Kane's mask was apart of him, because of his debuting storyline of being horribly burnt in a fire. He unmasked and the moronic storyline of Kane's burns being a mental scar were completely stupid and destroyed any type of meaning the mask could've had.

So letting Kane return to the mask might give Glenn Jacobs another piece of merch. to sell, but I doubt it'll suddenly make everyone who's seen Kane without the mask suddenly forget what he looks like within a month or two.

Positives: Now then, while I'd love to see Paul Bearer return. I just don't have a positive for it other than to say, hes Paul Bearer.

The positive I do have, however, is that personally I feel returning Kane to a mask of some type would be a great thing. Not to attempt downgrading him back to his original self, but instead to evolve him into a different type of mask. Almost playing into a type of "serial killer" situation in which when he wears the mask, he isn't in control of himself. Now by all means that doesn't mean when hes mask-less that hes meant to be face.. but it does mean when he puts it on, he can't control what he does, and hes more unstoppable than before.

Final idea..

James Mitchell: If you want to restick Kane with a manager. Pick up the newly released free agent. Mitchell did wonders for Abyss. Hell, he even did a great job with Judas, and Judas sucked!

I believe Mitchell controlling Kane would be a great storyline, and it would be one that even Paul Bearer could return on later in time.. trying to get Kane to come to grips with being controlled.

[Canadian Knight]

Paul Bearer or Undertaker. That are the only ones it could be. It makes more sense that Paul is the one he is talking about because he is the only one who "died". But maybe it will see Paul come back and be at Undertaker's side, eventually, pitting Kane vs Undertaker. Or better yet, Undertaker and Kane as a tag team again. I must admit that this is interesting to see what will happen.

[falcons53]

I just posted this in another forum but I thought it made a little sense so I will post it here too. With Batista pinning Kane two weeks ago and attacking him last week, and with Kanes mental state being unstable, I can see Kane coming out and looking for revenge on Batista and costing him his match with Punk at the GAB. I think the WWE is trying to push that Kane will be taking orders from his mask (his former monster self). The mask will tell Kane that he is weak and has let Batista push him around in the past weeks. Kane will then interfere in this match and we'll end up seeing a Batista-Kane match at Summerslam. Possibly an Inferno match that will lead to Kane putting his mask back on because he will be burned by the fire? Just a thought.

[joshj 234]

I don't see the whole Batista angle... one He doesn't want to be out of the title picture... (a role which i think everyone is tired of seeing him.) And The wwe has been wanting to do a Batista Cena storyline for a long time. I still think that something needs to happen with Kane at the bash though... I know what I would like to see but who knows what creative is thinking...

[Tiger Wood's Harem]

I just posted this in another forum but I thought it made a little sense so I will post it here too. With Batista pinning Kane two weeks ago and attacking him last week, and with Kanes mental state being unstable, I can see Kane coming out and looking for revenge on Batista and costing him his match with Punk at the GAB. I think the WWE is trying to push that Kane will be taking orders from his mask (his former monster self). The mask will tell Kane that he is weak and has let Batista push him around in the past weeks. Kane will then interfere in this match and we'll end up seeing a Batista-Kane match at Summerslam. Possibly an Inferno match that will lead to Kane putting his mask back on because he will be burned by the fire? Just a thought.

That was actually an amazing thought. Amazing. When he laid his bag down, it was nearly flat, so it's most likely the mask. I think that we will see Kane in the dark, maybe a boiler room, throughout the Bash.. He will be asking, 'Is he alive or dead..?' talking about himself. Kane will look psychotic and be hearing voices. His mask is talking to him. It will be ordering him to be the monster he once was.. To get revenge on people.. We won't hear this, but Kane will explain it.. He will snap and listen to his mask.. Kane will cost Batista the win in his match, putting them in a fued. Kane won't wear his mask, because it would take away his control, but occasionally he is controlled by it anyway.. At Summerslam, there is an Inferno match between Batista and Kane.. Batista wins, badly burning Kane. The mask will say that Kane is week without him.. That he needs to let the monster out. Finally, Kane dons the mask to hide the burns and to become strong again. Instant monster! I hope that could happen.. =]

[MisterIsa]

Well, whatever the case I know in about 3 months or so the angle is going to involve the Undertaker. You know that it would be interesting to see if Kane turns heel and starts wearing his mask again, that Taker would come back at first as a face and then turn into a heel. Thus the BOD would return as the company's monster heel tag-team. Just a thought, because most people I know think that Taker as a face or speechless phenom has been played out for a very long time.

[slickman123]

Well, whatever the case I know in about 3 months or so the angle is going to involve the Undertaker. You know that it would be interesting to see if Kane turns heel and starts wearing his mask again, that Taker would come back at first as a face and then turn into a heel. Thus the BOD would return as the company's monster heel tag-team. Just a thought, because most people I know think that Taker as a face or speechless phenom has been played out for a very long time.

as cool as a heel b.o.d teams sounds u would need a huge face that is so over with the whole crowd e.g the rock and austin and im afraid the closest wwe have is cena and batista and the crowd would end up cheering undertaker and kane which wouldnt make them good heels! as cool as that would be

[phat_inallthegoodplaces]

i just posted this on a different thread that got closed, but i love the idea of the mask. kane has needs something to make him look better than funaki lately, and the ecw championship didn't help, due to wwe taking the extreme out of ecw and most fans not giving belts the respect they used to have. Bringing back the moster would allow kane to add the title to his resume (or at least a title match) and maybe hold it longer than a day, or however long he held the wwe title. and like i said in the other thread with abyss back on tna (or... at least making a PPV appearance), wwe needs an actual monster and not just a big guy with ring pyro and a white contact in one eye.

[Rug3r]

^^ I think that happened to my thread. This mods don't have the option to merge topics? I'll just c/p my post in here then. But yeah, the only monster the WWE has right now is Umaga and he's not really that good of a monster. I think there's someone else besides Kane but I can't think of any others right now.

I've been told to throw in a few commas and periods for the following but, to the best of my knowledge, these paragraphs have been correctly punctuated from the get go. I will make a smaller version of the following for those who don't like large paragraphs.

Why is everyone complaining about it? I admit, I got fooled into thinking that Kane was talking about Paul Bearer, especially with Paul Bearer pulling that "I'm not going to answer this question but because of that it's extremely obvious that it's me" bullshit. But now, with the mask ordeal, everyone is being like a buzz killer or some shit saying "What everyone wants isn't going to happen, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news"... saying that he isn't going to revert back to his mask gimmick which was bad ass. People say that there is no point because it was to cover up the burns... okay, so fucking what... I'm not going to blow a load because he's finally wearing his mask again, it's the way he acted with the mask and when he took it off he went soft. Kane has been snapping like an audience member in a poetry club... then all of a sudden he has this bag with him. What do you think is in the bag? Marbles? It's his fucking mask. I just watched a video on youtube where Y2J spilled coffee on a masked Kane and said "I hope that didn't burn you"... and Kane fucking snapped and flipped over a table. That sounds alot like what Kane has been acting like recently. I wouldn't be surprised is something happened at the GAB and Kane burned himself alive. I'd have to say though that if I wasn't on WZ I would have never thought of this shit.

I take what I said about the mask being in the bag back too. I don't see why he would carry his mask around in a bag... so the only change in his attire will be that he wears a mask now? If not then the whole outfit should be in the bag. That means he can't burn himself alive on accident then either because that would be a big ass coincidence. That's like me all of a sudden start carrying garlic around and then I get attacked by a vampire. Or one day I decide to bring an oxygen tank with me to wal mart and somehow I get locked in the bathroom and there are no vents or anything... luckily I have my oxygen tank. You get the idea that would be a crazy ass coincidence. I guess we'll see how this plays out next monday because I started typing, thinking I had this shit figured out but came to the realization that this doesn't add up.

TL;DR-

Stop complaining about it, just take it how it is. I think he has the mask in the bag, but it doesn't make sense... why would you have a mask in a bag? Either wear it or leave it in the locker room.

[kabby420]

i didn't read all the posts to this so i'm just gunna say it....IT'S PAUL BEARER!!!!! is he alive or dead? man what the hell did taker do to him like 4 years ago? he got buried in cement...by Taker!!!!!!! and then he was never heard from again... no updates.... no nothing!!!!! Paul Bearer is going to come back and so is Taker, Paul Bearer is goin to have is usual manipulative control over Kane... and Kane is going to want to kill taker for what he did to Bearer. It's pretty obvious in my mind.... that's a killer storyline that would shock everyone... Vince can be a serious genius at times... sometimes he's a serious crackhead.... but that's another story all together.

And just to add a little comment i bet you Kane's mystery bag is his mask!!!! Symbolizing Bearer's control over him.
If i connected all the dots right... that's what is going to happen

and the reason for him bringing back the mask all of a sudden is because he looks badass in it.
just imagine Old Skool Kane vs. Taker... that's a serious storyline right there!

[wrestlingcrazy]

I'd say its Paul Bearer because think about it $ years ago at the GReat American Bash the Undertaker supposively killed him so Paul Bearer could come back at The Great AMerican Bash

[Joaquim Akaem]

No no. Just no.
It is not Paul Bearer, He is pretty much done with WWE, he sucked and wasn't over and thats WHY he got crushed at Great American Bash one time, to get him off T.V.

I know a lot of people are talking about him, and even on his website he is leaving cryptic messages. But answer me this question. How many people do you think have visited Paul Bearers website before Kane snapped? How many times has the name, Paul Bearer come up in conversation on this or any forum in the last 4 years?
The guy is not trying to keep a secret from us, he is trying to build hype for himself, Its business. He's been out of WWE for a long time now, and this is a chance for him to try cash in a little bit. Personally I wouldn't blame him. I'd associate myself with someone more popular, in order to get some credibility or some cash. I've done it.

Now the whole mask idea i think is stupid aswell, but I can see it being something WWE would try, because they're running out of ideas for Kane that they'll try anything once.
I'm not sure how many viewers would be fooled into thinking that his mask has special powers, but I for one am not excited about the prospect.

Kane is starting to carry around a strange looking bag which, certainly is a peculiar thing to do. Correct me if I'm wrong, but i believe the Boogeyman had a bag exactly like that, and he put worms inside it.

The Boogeyman indeed, It got me thinking, This freakish character is someone who WWE insisted on pushing, before he went missing, He wears a heart on his necklace, which could be his own heart, thus making some wonder if he is an actual living person. Boogeyman could be described as a monster, and if he is due to return to the ring shortly, Kane would be his ideal opponent. Kane is the one who enjoys to put people over, after all. I would love it, if the mystery surrounding Kanes storyline has something to to with this guy.

[Razz]

A couple of new ideas I think this could be that might not be mentioned. It could be that Kane is talking about someone that did not die in the fire that killed his family. If you remember the story, Kane and UT survived a fire that killed his family. What if someone in his family survived, maybe his father or another unknown relative and Kane has found out. This way they could be debuting a new wrestler/manager. All that weird stuff happening on recent RAW even the Mcmahon accident might be related to the new wrestler. Maybe he is also going to get UT reinstated somehow and UT is involved with the new wrestler/manager. This is certainly a stretch and it would be a huge push for someone new hehe...

[Sparky]

No no. Just no.
It is not Paul Bearer, He is pretty much done with WWE, how do you know? he might of been brought back, its possible that maybe this time the wwehas managed to keep a return secret. he sucked and wasn't over and thats WHY he got crushed at Great American Bash one time, to get him off T.V. It COULD of been becouse it was a good way to retire also putting people over at the same time.


Now the whole mask idea i think is stupid aswell, but I can see it being something WWE would try, because they're running out of ideas for Kane that they'll try anything once.
I'm not sure how many viewers would be fooled into thinking that his mask has special powers, but I for one am not excited about the prospect.Thank you finally, somebody see's the light, its not the mask its A mask. this mask is not going to make him go back to his old ways it doesnt make sense and its not possible. Once a jobber always a jobber, it aint once an unstoppable monster always an unstoppable monster.

Kane is starting to carry around a strange looking bag which, certainly is a peculiar thing to do. Correct me if I'm wrong, but i believe the Boogeyman had a bag exactly like that, and he put worms inside it. Personally it could be ANYTHING in that bag, he might of evan decided to brown bag his lunch that day. i think if he was to change gimmick he needs a new version, remember the kane, RVD days? he wasnt excacly a monster then and he had the mask.
The Boogeyman indeed, It got me thinking, This freakish character is someone who WWE insisted on pushing, before he went missing, He wears a heart on his necklace, which could be his own heart, thus making some wonder if he is an actual living person. Boogeyman could be described as a monster, and if he is due to return to the ring shortly, Kane would be his ideal opponent. Kane is the one who enjoys to put people over, after all. I would love it, if the mystery surrounding Kanes storyline has something to to with this guy. I dont like that idea, Boogeyman vs Kane? if your going to have monsters youl want them facing heels and faces not each other. and a win over the boogeyman wouldnt really do anything for Kane. neither would it for the boogeyman the otherway around.

[TheTruNoLimit]

I don't think the mask would be used to cover his face. The intrigue of the mask was that you didn't know what Kane looked like and that mystery has been passed.

I think an interesting idea with the mask could kind of turn Kane into a Jekkyl/Hyde type character.

Kane can wrestle with his own self and kind of don multiple personalities. Kane can wear the mask, even though we all know what he looks like, to become a dominant monster. Want a reason why?

How about this. Kane feels he isn't responsible for his actions while wearing the mask. The mask brings out the monster in Kane and when he's wearing it it's acceptable for him to be ruthless. It's acceptable to cause pain, etc. When he has the mask off, he won't be as violent because there's nothing protecting him from the truth of the monster he is so he tries to control it.

Granted, just an idea, but could be interesting.

Personally, I like him without the mask now. I think the Psychotic Kane that there was when he first unmasked was a good character, all the way through his wedding with Lita and everything. He was disturbed. They should just bring that back. They don't necessarily have to turn him into the unstoppable monster again, just turn him psychotic and very violent again. Back then he'd set Jim Ross on fire, take people out left and right, bury his brother alive, force a woman into carrying his child, crush HBK's throat just because he gets angry. That is truly someone to be scared of. He was a monster in a much more human way.

[rony31]

Anyone remember the horrible "imposter Kane" angle? Seems like this may be a more subtle version of that, where Kane's old self is haunting him. Except this time it's not some big guy wearing a horrible wig, it's in Kane's head eating away at him. Much more creative to do it this way, but couldn't help but notice the similarities between the two angles (that is of course, if that is where this is all leading).

[phat_inallthegoodplaces]

you mean festus in kane's old costume? i thought he did a good job... lol.

anyway, after aggresively ruining batista/punk's match, i think the predictions for a monster kane comeback are coming to life. i'm fine with that, because there needs to be something on raw worth watching...

[streicher187]

I have been thinking about it and believe Kane is talking about vince mcmahon. I think he had something to do with the stage but don't think it was him alone but someone pulling the strings and sending him off the deep end.

The most obvious person is Chris Jericho got in his head and is pulling the strings of Kane but it would be cool if they brought someone else back to do it

Eric Bishoff (wanted vince out of the way)
Paul Bearer

or long shots
Jake the Snake
Raven

If Jericho is forming a stable what a better "enforcer" to have then a monster kane that he can control..

[falcons53]

Just wondering, but where are you getting Jake the Snake and Raven from? Those names are pretty far out there. I really don't think it can be anything other than his mask at this point.

[Jappa121]

Its definitely looking like its going to be his mask, or a new mask in his bag.. I think he is either going to put it on because it will make him more powerful, or hes going to be lit on fire, by himself or an accident, and then put it on.

I hope he is talking about James Mitchell, that would be the most amazing thing to happen in wrestling, It would be like a awesome dream with insane dialogue delivered by two psychos with strange hair styles

[mrtuddy]

Some people sound really stupid when they post on these message boards.

I wish you guys would read what you're posting, and add some credibility to it -- back it up. Don't back it up with "because I think it would be cool." or something like that. Give what you believe is evidence as to why you think it could be what you're saying.

Hopefully that made sense.

[streicher187]

I just said it would make for a great storyline. This is the WWE and we know they don't believe in good story lines just the same ones over and over again. How many guys can be "hit" by cars, "Fired" then brought back.

Knowing the wwe it's kanes mask and they really won't have ANY story for it. If I had to guess it would be Jericho controlling Kane like he is trying to do other stars. That's all anyone is doing right now GUESSING as I don't even think Vince Mcmahon knows where it's going.. Maybe it's M. Youngs hand she gave birth to with Henry that was a well thought out storyline..

So mrtuddy maybe we like to think the WWE has some imagination forgive us for thinking it's entertainment, I didn't realize it was a detective show and we had to take it so serious sorry for being STUPID and not taking wrestling all that serious..

[orton_is_god]

I'd like to take the opportunity to shameless plug what i believe is in the bag kane now carries around with him and its clearly the new John Morrison Beyond Good and Evil T-Shirt available exclusively on WWESHOP.com and his wearing of the shirt will lead to morrison and kane teaming up and morrison using kane to get the WHC off CM Punk bc punk took the ECW title from morrison.and Morrison wants revenge.HAHAHA funny right...i know but could you possibly see WWE doing this even a little ok maybe TNA or WCW...LMAO

Naitch for Raw GM WOOOOO:flair:

[Miko]

I cant have been the only one to notice but Kane has recently started to re-use old traits, when Batista speared him the other week Kane just simply got back up, then got smashed with a chair straight afterwards rolled out of the ring and simply walked off.

Then this week he strolled down to the ring, had no trouble kicking Batista's arse until Punk made the save and clotheslined him out of the ring, where he simply landed on his feet and walked off, its been years since he's done that.

When The Undertaker returned at WM XX the best way to describe him would be as a sort of hybrid between Ministry Taker and Biker Taker, maybe Kanes in line for something similar (masked Kane crossed with phsycho Kane)

[tap-out]

Does anybody else think that this wholething is being drawn out a little bit too long now. I know it has only been a couple of weeks but it just seems like the nextphase of the story needs to be played out instead of the same thing the last couple of weeks and ppv.

I still think that his mask is in his bag, but hope they don't end it there. Hopefully that is just part of a much bigger storyline...like Kane and Vince making a new ministy to run things.

[falcons53]

I was just thinking about that. They really need to get into the next phase because its already starting to become boring in my opinion. The more I think about it the more I don't think they are actually going to put the mask back on kane full time. I think it will be some sort of skitzo kane with him "taking orders" from his mask.

[Taker316]

I disagree with the *they have to take the next step* thing, BUT i WISH they'd take the next step! But really the whole storyline is doin the job! I know I for one am really only watchin RAW to see wtf is gonna happen wit Kane next! lol And i admit last night was kinda disapointing, but then again does the trick as it makes u wanna tune in next week to know wtf's gonna happen!

And to someone above, yeah i noticed that too! He got up like he got hit by a fly, landed on his feet clotheslined otta the ring. Good ol days perhaps?

[cyborg2040]

If anyone else recorded RAW last night then wait until the segment with kane walking backstage and pause it. If you watch the bag frame by frame you can see the outline of the mask. You can even see the nose pushing out on the bag just a few inches from the bottom of the bag (chin area). I have no doubt that the mask is in the bag now, and the original full mask at that.

If you can watch that segment frame for frame you will see what I'm talking about, the bag conforms to the shape of the mask as he swings the bag around walking.

[starryangel05]

I think it might be his former masked gimmick. It kinda makes sense to me because we haven't seen Kane with the mask on in a good long time. So maybe he's carrying his mask around in that bag of his and he'll be his masked self as a heel. I really don't know, that's my best guess.

[Agrex]

I think this is a pretty good move for the WWE. They are finally giving Kane something to do, and in the meanwhile getting him over as a monster heel. RAW is currently lacking a monster heel, as Umaga was drafted to Smackdown, hopefully Kane can fill the gap. I can only hope that the mask is not in the bag. It would make no sense for Kane to wear the mask again. He's past that stage in his career, and in my opinion it would be a step back. I don't know what is in his bag, but hopefully it's not his mask.

[fishy]

I would love it to be Paul Bearer, and i think thats where the problem lies. I dont think of he was brought back he could brought in as a ehll. He would get to much of a pop from the crowd. IE Ted Diabse was a major heel, he makes the odd comeback and bang he a face. Thats the problem with bringing back legends, they will always go over with the fans.

I think vince is a whole other storyline, they are just leading fans up the garden path.

No way is it Undertaker, not now we know of the hell in a cell.

I like the idea of modern day v evil kane. That wold make alot of sence, but alot of me is thinking they just played on those words to show a psycho path.

So in conclusion I have no idea, but its doing the job it needs, its what the world is watching (if anyone remembers that being an old WWF tag line) But everyone is tlaking about it and keeping interested in the product, which is what they desperaetly need!

[Straight_Edge_Mystic]

I like the idea of the mask, and Paul Bearer returning as well. In fact, I hope it is both, I loved both. Masked Kane was totally BA and could demolish Batista anyday and Paul as his mouthpiece was gold as is really anything with Paul. He's such a great talker. My question is, let's say it's the mask, how and why does he put it back on. Does he realize Unmasked Kane is merely an insane man and not a psychopathic monster and that's why he loses so much? Or does Paul Bearer coerce him into it somehow? I'll take the latter, that way you kill two birds with one stone. Bring back an awesome manager and make Kane a BA monster again.

[holmeslaw666]

WWE hasn't utilized managers half as much as they need to. It's nice to see Ranjin Singh back, now let's get Paul Bearer in there and use Matt Striker in his strongest role... a heel manager, and we'll be well on our way to the classic days again.

[iwin122]

iii think kane is talking about his old self when he wore the mask they might be bringing the mask back and thats whats in his little bag
and hes wondering if the mask is dead or alive....like th emask is talknig to him or something

[SpiralHands]

I was really intrigued into this storyline and I had to think that when he mentioned it the first time it was the Undertaker. Or perhaps that Kane was trying to kill Vince and Vince would have to bring Taker back to stop him. But now since hes had the little Burlap bag with him I have to believe that it is Kanes mask and that Kane is talking somehow about himself and will be remasked. Correct if im wrong but its coming up to Summerslam where Kane first lost the mask against Taker in a match so perhaps this Summerslam he will gain it back obviously not by facing Taker though. But this is a great storyline and I cant wait to see where it ends.

[Suneeboy]

He has to attack someone and that person accidentally throws something in his face. Maybe hot coffee backstage or something like that. He can't just put it on as we know what his face looks like. He has to become deformed again to add mystery, misery, and suffering to the character.

Also Paul Bearer would be a great touch. His promos are priceless.

[simpsons_fanatic742]

I agree. It would be pretty hard to accept the mask without something happening to Kane's face. Granted, people would mark out hard when they first see the mask, but after a couple times of seeing it the effect would fizzle out. But if something were to deform his face and we don't see what that looks like before he puts the mask on then that would add suspence to the character and thus a longer reaction time.

[Razz]

I read on this post someone said something about Kane showing his old traits. On this weeks RAW 7-28-08 if you notice when Kane came out and hit JBL then they stared at each other..Kane sort of tilted his head and looked at him in a weird way. Exactly how the old masked Kane would. I think they are definitely going the mask angle in some shape or form...

[Tiger Wood's Harem]

Well, at first, I thought the mask.. I still do.. But, the way Dub Dub E is going right now, anything could happen. My second guess is HBK's hair..
No, for real. It's got to be the mask. Has to. He is starting to kill things again. He hasn't been pushed this much in a looong time and the mask and WHC will be the final touch of the rebirth of a monster.. I think something will have to happen to his face.. Maybe a GTS really, really screwing up his nose? I don't know. I personally can't wait.

[MasterDebator]

Well, at first, I thought the mask.. I still do.. But, the way Dub Dub E is going right now, anything could happen. My second guess is HBK's hair..
No, for real. It's got to be the mask. Has to. He is starting to kill things again. He hasn't been pushed this much in a looong time and the mask and WHC will be the final touch of the rebirth of a monster.. I think something will have to happen to his face.. Maybe a GTS really, really screwing up his nose? I don't know. I personally can't wait.

HILARIOUS!

Seriously, this angle is getting old. If it's not done by or at SS, this burlap sack/alive or dead thing is going to go the way of Jericho's return. The contents will either leak or people will get tired. I love the fact that WWE is giving us storylines with everyone and not just to main-eventers but at some point storylines have to end. I mean, what has he done on the past two Raws that has furthered the story? Get on with it WWE.

[Dead Kennedy]

The program has been a bit weird and confusing at times, but I'm definitely psyched to see Kane turning heel again. Ever since he lost his mask to Triple H, he's lost his momentum. He became just a deranged bald guy with a loopy eye and a laughter that would make Warren T. Rat envious. He became an afterthought, and although still a great worker, Kane's character stopped appealing to me the way it did from the day he entered WWF.

Kane can work a good match with just about anyone, and he is one of WWF's most loyal and devoted workers. Heck, he even says he doesn't need a title run, he just wants to put new guys over! Employee of the year Championship to this guy.

Shilling aside, I really hope the secret of the bag is solved soon, because just as Master Debator said, it's gonna get stale and become more obvious than Jericho's return. But we would all still mark out.

[RBH]

While I like that he is heel again, I am more annoyed that his story has not progressed yet and he does not even have a proper feud with anyone. The Kane storyline needs to move on or this will end up like the Jericho debut. WWE has gotta learn that they cannot drag a storyline out for 2 months and expect us to care. Fans have short attention spans these days and this storyline is proving it to be true. We want to know what is in that bag and frankly at this point I do not think it is the mask because if you all remember Glen Jacobs did not want to wear the mask anymore due to health reasons. WWE would not force it on him if it could kill him. I simply do not know but thing is for sure, I am getting tired of waiting.

[Tiger Wood's Harem]

You know, everyone is going to cheer Kane when he walks out wearing his mask. The only way for him to effectively turn heel would be to just walk out and kill someone like Shawn Michaels. Even then, even after Kane decimates my favorite guy, I wouldn't find it in me to boo him. Though, on RAW I think people finally realized that he was heel because there were quite a few boos.. More so than cheers. I'm excited for his heel turn. I hope it brings him a WHC at Summerslam.

[savage138]

You know, everyone is going to cheer Kane when he walks out wearing his mask. The only way for him to effectively turn heel would be to just walk out and kill someone like Shawn Michaels. Even then, even after Kane decimates my favorite guy, I wouldn't find it in me to boo him. Though, on RAW I think people finally realized that he was heel because there were quite a few boos.. More so than cheers. I'm excited for his heel turn. I hope it brings him a WHC at Summerslam.

I agree. Kane has become a fan favorite over the years, and a lot of people are going to find it hard to boo him for anything short of maliciously or flagrantly injuring guys like HBK or John Cena.

I think a heel turn for Kane is long overdue, and I believe putting the mask back on him is a good move as well. For years Kane and that mask were synonimous with one another, and removing it from him never panned out as it should have. The mask is what set Kane apart from other wrestlers in the WWF/E, and it's what made him a star. With the mask Kane was more than just another big man, and since they've taken it away from him he's been nothing but.

At the end of the day the mask will at least give Kane an angle for a while, and that's better than pretty much anything he's been doing over the past few years. At least this angle is something, and Kane deserves some attention for putting over other wrestlers for so long.

A man of Kane's intimidating stature shouldn't be jobbing out to anyone, and putting his mask back on will revert his character back to what it once was. I can easily see a nearly unstoppable Kane pushing his way to a title reign in the near future, and he'll have the mask to thank for it.

Only time will tell though...

[latino_heat]

seeing as GAB has come and gone and bearer didnt return (as i wanted) and takers fueding with edge so i doubt its him i would love for kane to come out at summerslam with the old mask and just go on a monster heel run for months just destroying all superstars from hbk to rey mysterio to kofi kingston and it could hopefully lead to a second world title for kane which should last a lot longer than a day

[phat_inallthegoodplaces]

now that adamle is GM and he's making funky matches already, i see kane getting involved in an inferno match with someone. doesn't matter who, as long as he loses, or if he faces punk, he wins but punk knocks him into the fire anyway and gets his face burned. (it would also be a great promo for SDVR 09 since the inferno match has been added to the game).

[WrestlingDude]

ive noticed sumthing about this new change in kane. he using more grappling moves and being more of a technical wrestler. hes not giving ppl the normal beatdown, but a leg scissors and body shots. could this all be apart of it?

[Antleader]

Back when Kane first appeared, Undertaker was feuding with HBK because HBK had cost him his championship (Or kept him from getting it). I, personally see a resemblance, not only did Edge cost Undertaker his championship and his "career". And again, it is in a hell in a cell match, just like it was with HBK. So, is it possible that Kane will come out as the masked Kane again and attack the Undertaker or something like that?

[bunnyman1985]

it would be good if they built the suspense up of is he alive or dead every week an then like do a big shock at the end instead of doing it one week then 2 weeks later.

it cant be the undertaker cause it looks like he wil be on smackdown for the forseeable future

so that only leaves paul bearer,vince or the mask

it could be the mask in the bag BUT it would be a bit stupid if it was the mask and he went back to wearing it with a bald head cause it wouldnt go.

Now personally i think kane should get a manager someone who would be a great heel an that person who would be a match made in heaven with kane is james mitchell

[Razz]

it could be the mask in the bag BUT it would be a bit stupid if it was the mask and he went back to wearing it with a bald head cause it wouldnt go.



Well if you remember when Kane unmasked in the match against Triple H, it was revealed he was wearing a wig with the mask and only had a little spot of hair. I'm sure it was only for that day he was wearing a wig but he could wrestle with a wig until his real hair grows back heh..


Back when Kane first appeared, Undertaker was feuding with HBK because HBK had cost him his championship (Or kept him from getting it). I, personally see a resemblance, not only did Edge cost Undertaker his championship and his "career". And again, it is in a hell in a cell match, just like it was with HBK. So, is it possible that Kane will come out as the masked Kane again and attack the Undertaker or something like that?



Interesting, a possibility I haven't seen. But I'm not sure if they want to go a Kane vs Ut feud again and they are on different shows. Also I dunno if the Edge/UT feud will end for sure at Summerslam. It's possible we could have all sorts of intereference, now that Foley was attacked. Maybe Foley and others will get involved at Summerslam, or he will just retaliate on Smackdown.

[Dark Blaze]

Whatever this angle is building up to, I think WWE should start dropping more hints as I hope they're getting closer to pulling the trigger on whatever I is. Correct me if I'm wrong, but was there any new development in the storyline after Kane stared bringing out the burtlap sack? WWE needs to maintain interest in this, they have something going here, I missed psychotic Kane, and though he's a fan favorite, he is getting boos, and I hope the cheers he's getting currently will be converted to boos since I think WWE's probably waiting for him to get fully over as a heel in order to pull the trigger.

I almost hope it isn't the mask because that's what everyone's expecting and I wouldn't mind a pleasant surprise, they just need to pull it off correctly. And if it is the mask, then I hope they have a perfect explanation coming. All in all, I just hope I'm not disappointed to much when this story line concludes.

[Tim Tam]

Has WWE drop this storyline? I can't remember the last time they did something with this storyline. Kane was at his best playing the psychotic deranged monster, it seemed to fit him so well. The only problem is whether he WWE will follow this through if it happens or just leave him to fade into the background, like a lot of their other superstars.

Kane needs to become this monster, because he doesn't have the personality not to be a monster. He is a tall dark figure and he nees to become it again.

[Suneeboy]

In my opinion:

He has to get scarred at Summerslam and he can't face the UT at WM because he will have to job to him and you can't have him job in his first match back in his new gimmick. He can come back at WM but have him interfere in someone's match. I agree with the time off so he can get back in shape and grow his hair.

[derkman7]

In my opinion, this storyline has been playing out ever since Kane first teamed with Punk in their attempt to win the Tag Team Championships. Kane has been on a losing streak since that time. He even lost the non-title match with Mark Henry the week before the paperview.
This explains why Kane needed the match with Punk. He needed to know if it was Punk's or his fault for the losses. Punk won their match, thus further angering Kane.
This streak put Kane into a frenzy, arising the old diabolical Kane. On this weeks RAW though, (and SNME) Kane picked up a victory. Afterward, Kane was happy and stated that his old self was dead.
This makes me believe that it must be the mask in the bag. Kane is in a psychological battle with himself, and we will apparently find out which side wins next week on RAW.

[Dark Blaze]

Well after tonight's RAW, I'm wondering where WWE is going exactly, Kane was apparently in some internal conflict, asking himself whether "he" was alive or dead and all of a sudden he comes out saying that he's dead? And now, Adamle is going to make Kane reveal what is in the bag now, can't wait.

Wouldn't be surprised if Kane goes all ballistic on Adamle and then revealing that "he" as in his former self was still alive and kicking. However, I don't think doing that would turn him heel, he's still getting alot of cheers as a fan favorite, he needs a truly disgusting thing to push him into heel-town and facing Adamle, who is detested by the audience, won't do that.

I'm highly interested to see where WWE is going with this.

[Davi323]

I don't believe for one second that this angle is done. Its just the calm before the real storm happens. It makes for better drama to tease something, back off of it, and then go full blast back into it, just when we relax our guard. I almost want to say that because Kane says he is okay now, that it is a guarantee that he won't be okay, and that as it turns out, "he" is really alive, and very pissed off. In my first post in this thread, I predicted he was referring to himself, in 3rd person, as the masked evil Kane. I have seen absolutely nothing to dissuade me from that. By Kane saying "he is dead", what is really going to happen is "he is alive", and it will be a surprise when he becomes unleashed again.

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

After this latest episode of Raw, there were two segments that got me thinking about this topic.

1) Kane attacks Striker, a heel. He basically apologizes, then says "he's dead". But, he keeps the bag. If they were keeping him heel, wouldn't he have attacked someone like Paul London or whatever? Adamle, of all people, claims to want to force Kane into showing what's in the bag next week.

2) Batista sure as hell acted like the heel between himself and Cena tonight, didn't he? Refused the tag and such. Now, they're tag champions. Usually, tag champs that aren't a gimmick team (and even sometimes if they are) end up being one heel and one face, wherein they split up because the heel officially turns on the face, costing them the titles. MVP turns on Matt (though MVP was a heel the whole time, and clearly), Rhodes turns on Holly, Cade turns on Murdoch, blah blah blah. I can't see them being tag champs long, as Batista will cost them a title match down the line, hopefully to Rhodes/DiBiase again, as they're good champions.

These two things though, on top of the rumors that they want to turn Batista heel to become allies with Orton, has me wondering....are they going to pull a switcharoo and make it so Kane puts on the mask, attacks Adamle, and reverts back to a FACE monster, and at the same time, Batista turns heel against Cena? I can't see both of these guys being faces or both being heels. Maybe this is their way of compensating for how "masked Kane" would probably be cheered.

[phat_inallthegoodplaces]

i think kane was talking about his current self when he said "he's dead". he just decimated stryker (although i was hoping kane would put him through the chalkboard.lol.), and he had his maniacal grin on when he said it. i think he meant soft, face kane is dead.
i also think that since kelly kelly brought it up with adamle last night, she'll be there next week with adamle when they make kane reveal the contents of the bag, allowing kane to freak out and destroy kelly to make the full heel turn.


on a side note:
[/QUOTE] I can't see them being tag champs long, as Batista will cost them a title match down the line, hopefully to Rhodes/DiBiase again, as they're good champions. [/QUOTE]

i don't see how they were good champions, IMO. i mean, they ganged up on holly, beat some locals, picked on jim duggan, beat a couple of commentators, and lost the titles in a near squash match. and it would've been a squash if they didn't get cena in those consecutive sleepers. i just wasn't impressed with them all that much. (although i feel bad for cody. he'll never have good mic skills with that lisp of his.)


so anyway. kane destroys kelly = heel turn.

[TimAH]

im probalby reading too much into it but i found it odd.
A few weeks ago Kane said something to the effect of "i know im my heart he's dead" and he said it as if this was a bad thing. Now he says he is dead he sounded happy and relieved about it. I wonder if they changed the direction of the angle between those two statements.

[Straight_Edge_Mystic]

When the segment last night ended, I thought what a poor pay-off to what could've been a great angle. Then I started thinking more, it can't be over, even without Adamle's decree. I started thinking this because of the way Kane looked at the bag after he said he was better. He stared at it with an uncertain look on his face. Even though he said he was fine, he still only said it and without any proof. So, I think he is just saying he's better, even though he knows he is not. Why, maybe it's part of some plan to throw everyone off. Or like a lot of people are saying, it's a psychological battle with himself and so he's not sure. Maybe last night, Kane chose to listen to soft Kane, but will later realize that's a bad idea because soft Kane is a loser. This is a very confusing storyline because they are not giving us anything to really work with. I just hope he destroys both Adamle and Kelly Kelly, I can't stand either of them.

[leby_uk]

hey guys im new to the forum, just read this thread which made me sign up to have my say. Me and my friend have bene discussing this storyline now for a while, Kane being his favourite wrestler.
Well having watched the storyline progress think its fair to say it shouldnt have anything to do with.

1.Vince McMahon because they already announced he was stable in hospital and recovering.

2. Undertaker whose is continuing his feud with Edge and is on Smackdown.

3. Paul Bearer seems to be out of the firing line know also since the bag came into play.

Now and and my friend have been debating and we honestly believe in the end it will be something to do with the mask. But we dont seem to stick to that one idea for some reason our minds change and change.

One thing i think might be happening is the debut of a new wrestler like ive seen a few people say "son of kane" and stuff but not to them extremes just another monster who comes and faces kane. Reason why i think this is because "Im better now" "hes dead" and looks at his bag it would be pointless if that was the mask and then he puts it on if the man behind the mask is dead :S. However like people say a twist could be invovled yet.

But in our thinking it has to be revolving around the mask. But im starting to get bored of the storyline because they kinda stopped it all together for 2 episodes.

But hopefully little more gets revealed next week when Mike Adamle attempts to take the mask which we all know will result in kane flipping out and going ballistic on anyone and anything that tries to get the bag.

[My$terio_Fan]

I really hope this leads to something really good or it will be a huge let down. I hope the writers can turn this into something good. I hope the mask is in the bag and that Kane has dual personalities and he thinks the "masked kane" is dead...and he ends up going phsycho which will be good. The only thing is that if it's the mask and Kane puts it on, it wont be as cool because we already know what kane looks like without. Before the good thing about Kane was the mystery behind him but now we all know who Kane is and the mask may not help resurect his career.

[klunderbunker]

This storyline has been dragged out for too long now and it's come to the point that I honestly could care less waht's in his bag anymore. Last night should have ended this story, even as bad as it was done. It could turn into a good story if done right with Kane going crazy again which is what he's best at. I was actually excited to hear Adamle say that he was going to make Kane reveal what's in the bag next week so that it can finally come to an end or at least take a big step forward. My money is on his mask as is most people, but it could be something else for a good twist. If it ends up with Kane being more like his old self, I'm happy either way.

[Milenko]

This storyline had all the potential in the world to make Kane a Huge force on RAW again. But like they usually do WWE creative messed up a good angle and dragged it on for to long and people could care less. IF they had shown us all what was in the bag yesterday then it would have been ok, but instead they are dragging it out for another week.

Now onto what I hope happens with this angle. I hope at least that Kane puts the mask back on. He was better with the mask and if they do it right i think Kane can get back at least some of his former glory. My hopes aren't to high though because I've been watching WWE long enough to see them screw up many good storylines

[klunderbunker]

The only problem that I see with the mask is that the original mystique that kane had was the idea that his face was horribly burned and his mask was used to hide the people from the horrors that lay beneath it. We've seen his face now for almost 5 years, so why should it be needed for him to wear a mask now? Unless something happens where he gets burned or hurt again, tehre's no need for him to have it, but I can't picture it being anythign other than that.

[Milenko]

I know what you mean KB. I personally think they should have never taken the mask off of Kane in the first place. They did though and we the fans are stuck with someone who should be in the Main Event stuck in the mid-card. Like I said I hope this angle and whatever happens with it puts Kane where he belongs which is in the Main Event. The only other thing i can see come out of this is that it totally ruins his career which as a Kane fan is not something I want to see happen.

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

The only problem that I see with the mask is that the original mystique that kane had was the idea that his face was horribly burned and his mask was used to hide the people from the horrors that lay beneath it. We've seen his face now for almost 5 years, so why should it be needed for him to wear a mask now? Unless something happens where he gets burned or hurt again, tehre's no need for him to have it, but I can't picture it being anythign other than that.

Simple nostalgia. Why does the crowd pop when Austin comes out to squirt someone with a beer hose and leave, knowing he won't make a comeback and start wrestling like his old self? Cause its just an old fun thing. Kane wearing the mask again is better than Kane NOT wearing the mask, but it won't completely revolutionize his character. Putting on the mask might get him a better reaction from the crowd than what he's currently getting, but its not as if anybody in their right mind should think that he'd actually go back to his old, better skill-level because of it.

[klunderbunker]

I'm a fan of his as well, and I can't picture this leading to anything close to him getting back in the main event. He'll likely go crazy, but the one thing that's in his favor right now is the weakness of the World title picture. Kane has been around for a very long time. 11 years this month, which is a very long time in this company. That's longer than the Rock's run, Austin's run, and twice as long as Cena and Batista. He deserves to be the champion for a legit reign, even if it's just a transitional one. There's no way to argue that Punk has more credentials as a main eventer at this stage in his career. Kane still has one more major run in him, and hopefully he's finally given the run he's deserved for years.

[klunderbunker]

Simple nostalgia. Why does the crowd pop when Austin comes out to squirt someone with a beer hose and leave, knowing he won't make a comeback and start wrestling like his old self? Cause its just an old fun thing. Kane wearing the mask again is better than Kane NOT wearing the mask, but it won't completely revolutionize his character. Putting on the mask might get him a better reaction from the crowd than what he's currently getting, but its not as if anybody in their right mind should think that he'd actually go back to his old, better skill-level because of it.

I think with this part of what would happen would be that people would get the idea that he's back to his old skill level simply because of the look that comes with it. He's still doing the same basic moveset he's been doing for years just not at the same speed. If he does the same thing he's doing now as he's been improving a bit in the last few months, then maybe he'll earn a title push. My thought on Kane has always been that he doesn't try as hard as he could because there's no reason for him to. He's never really been a real world title contender in his career since his initial push even when he was working his ass off so why should he try if he knows it's not going to get him anywhere? With the title picture as weak as it is now, he finally has a reason to work at it so maybe he finally will.

[Antleader]

I really want to know what's in that bag, I'm sure quite a few people do. But doesn't this sound a lot like what people wanted when Kane was masked? They wanted to see his face, now we want to see what's in the bag. I think that it is possible that the bag is a thing much like the mask was. That it gives power, eeriness, and mysteriousness to Kane. What do you think about this?

[Skreach666]

Kane Is A psychotic Much Like The undertaker( His Brother)

1. Kane Is Inmasked and They brought A fake Kane In Like They Did With Taker
2. Paul Bayer Is Kanes Dad And Is Coming Back TO Wrestling
3. A Mask Is In The Bag; Its To Thin To be Anything Else
4. He Has Split Personality
5. he and mankind are alike who is most likely coming back as well so his mask might be in it tying kane and undertaker together to fight the former tag team of mc foley(mankind) and edge
6. pay attention to kanes movement they are going back to the old kane(mask) the fire from ringpost when he enters the room goes dark and red. he jasnt done that in a long while.


Now The hes Dead hes Finally Dead He Could be Talking About the monster inside or his other personality. the evil within. when kane first came out he never spoke the he started to when his anger was released.

so paul bayer is returning its just a matter of when
kane mystery inside will be revealed
taker will kick edge rearend in
i beleive mankind will return to the ring
so its going to get interesting

[Nicholas]

Kane Is A psychotic Much Like The undertaker( His Brother)

1. Kane Is Inmasked and They brought A fake Kane In Like They Did With Taker
2. Paul Bayer Is Kanes Dad And Is Coming Back TO Wrestling
3. A Mask Is In The Bag; Its To Thin To be Anything Else
4. He Has Split Personality
5. he and mankind are alike who is most likely coming back as well so his mask might be in it tying kane and undertaker together to fight the former tag team of mc foley(mankind) and edge
6. pay attention to kanes movement they are going back to the old kane(mask) the fire from ringpost when he enters the room goes dark and red. he jasnt done that in a long while.


Now The hes Dead hes Finally Dead He Could be Talking About the monster inside or his other personality. the evil within. when kane first came out he never spoke the he started to when his anger was released.

so paul bayer is returning its just a matter of when
kane mystery inside will be revealed
taker will kick edge rearend in
i beleive mankind will return to the ring
so its going to get interesting

1) Festus was Fake Kane...don't know how they'll pull that one off again.

2) While I would like to believe Paul Bearer is returning, he's not Kane's father. Both parents of Kane and Taker were killed in the fire...unless Paul pulls what that one manager did with Abyss in TNA.

3) Boogeyman's worms! Just kidding. It's got to be the mask, it's too obvious.

4) Not anymore. "'He' is dead now." No longer a split personality, eh? 8D

5) Are you saying Bros. of Destruction vs Mankind/Edge? I don't think so.

6) It's always been dark and red.

And about Mankind returning to the ring...that's IF Mick Foley decides to stay after Summerslam.

[Jappa121]

I just thought of something, what if Kane debut's with his mask on during the hell in the cell match, Like he originally debut'd.. It looks as though this is what is going to happen. I doubt we will see whats in the bag next RAW, Kane will probably kill adamle or something, But I honestly think this is the perfect chance to debut masked kane, just like he was originally introduced, during the hell in the cell!

[hhhfan14]

ok, i only have one problem, kane is a monster, so why the heck are we seeing this little punk adamle sayin, kane u better open ur bag and show whats inside or im gonna make u, are u serious????? Is kane really gonna let this little punk tell him what to do, espiaclly if he has been behaving like his character has here lately, i dont think so, so like i said earlier, this storyline has become bs lke the rest of wwe here lately, although i do like adamle, although he is a cheep cutoff of eric bishoff

[Jappa121]

I dont think the storyline is bs because of what adamle said. Obviously Kane isnt just going to give up his bag without a fight, The story is still just getting started I think, They just have alot of things going on right now, so since they werent planning on revealing the contents of the bag they kinda put the storyline on the back burner, Im sure whenever Kane puts the mask on he will become a much bigger part of RAW

How is Mike Adamle like Eric Bischoff?

[Mr. Showtime]

Adamle is probably going to form some sort of posse, because there is no way on this earth Kane is going to be like ''oh yeah, here's my bag Mike take a look inside an pull out whatever's in it''.

I can see the posse beating down Kane and revealing what's in the bag, Kane sits up and demolishes everyone and puts the mask back on to end the show.

It probably won't quite go down like that if WWE are planning on this whole thing playing out a little longer.

But something has to come to some sort of conclusion this monday on Raw to keep me intrested.

[Suneeboy]

I have been thinking that Adamle will confront Kane to no avail - however Kelly Kelly seems to be trying to kiss up to Adamle so let's say she brings in coffee or tea or something for them to drink and she trips and spills it and it hits Kane's face. Kane will come out at SummerSlam and start a feud with Adamle who sicks goons on him and puts Kane in crazy matches. This will put Kane over as a face since the crowd will cheer for him no matter what if he puts the mask on, and Adamle over as a heel GM because if he is a face GM I will vomit.

What do you guys think?

[Jappa121]

Well Im almost positive that we arent going to see whats in the bag monday, regardless of what the reason we dont is. Be it Kelly Kelly with coffee, Fire, Bam Neely...We just aren't going to see whats in kanes bag. I honestly can't see WWE ending this storyline with kane still being face,

I dont think adamle is going to be heel either, If WWE was going to make him heel they wouldve probably did it already with all the heat the guy gets it wouldve been easy to take that route, It looks like they are still trying to push adamle in the same direction they have been since he came in...Just get him to work in the few ways he can

[PWBG_KANE]

I think we will see a match just like in 2003 when kane was unmasked.But this time will be Kane vs Punk if Kane wins he will become WHC but if he looses he`ll must open his bag.But it`ll be an inferno match and Kane will be onfire ;)

[slimmshady]

I think this scenario will revolve around an inferno match or some other event that causes kanes face to become burnt. Now, whoever the opponent is, whether its adamle or batista (less likely because of the feud with cena). I think this will lead to the event in which paul bearer returns (as I heard somewhere that he wouldn't mind returning to wrestling again). Whatever the outcome of this story is, I must say that it is quite interesting as a lot of people have been waiting since 2003 to see the masked kane dominate once again. That's probably why kane gets a large cheer even though he is meant to be heel.

[slimmshady]

I think I understand what the kane story is all about. Forget what I said earlier. In my previous posts I posted a storyline that wwe could use to bring back the masked kane and I think that it is quite similar to the current storyline. After watching kane's post match ring announcement again, I have a general view of the story (also I think there are some other people on this forum that agree with me). Basically, whats happening to kane is he is having a split personality. After defeating matt striker he said its 'ok he is dead now' (or something like that). This means that his evil, twisted side has calmed down and his recent babyface side has taken over. In the end the mask will eventually show the heel side of kane and the maskless side will show the babyface side of kane and the story will be a constant struggle between the face side and the heel. What will happen is sometimes the mask kane will appear in some matches and other times the maskless side of kane will appear. Like I mentioned before, I thought of a similar story to bring the masked kane back. Basically what I said was for wwe to unleash the masked kane on raw but the unmasked kane of ecw and smackdown. But the new idea showing the struggle sounds better. Now all kane needs is a trigger to unleash the monster inside of him and I think it is going to be something to do with an inferno match or fire.

[JPK]

Sorry if someone has already posted this idea.

Wouldn't it be simple just to have Kane vs Masked Kane (most likely portrayed by Drew Harkinson aka Festus as he did it last time - or someone else) and have a buried alive match , where the loser was killed off - like an actual buried alive match.

Simple thing to do would be to have the Masked Kane win , then the real Kane puts the mask back on an wrestles as him from here on in.

What do you think about that idea?

[Rug3r]

(although i feel bad for cody. he'll never have good mic skills with that lisp of his.)



Cody Rhodes has great mic skills.

I know this is a bit off topic but I can't wait for Orton to come back, he got injured as soon as Raw started getting good and went through all those changes. I really do hope though that either Y2J or Orton take the title off Punk.

As for Kane, I'm interested to see where they are going with this like the others. Kane can't make up his mind whether he's alive or dead and it seems that the creative team can't make up their mind on whether Kane is a face or a heel. I've seen a lot of good explanations in this thread and I'm pretty sure that he has the mask in the bag. I wonder if he is only going to wear the mask or is his whole attire going to change if it is indeed the mask.

[Mr. Showtime]

I'm still excited to see the outcome of all this. But as hard as I try I can't push the thought out of my head, that no matter what's in the bag it's not going to save Kane's career. It's a sad but true fact. Ring attire does NOT improve your wrestling abillity. None the less it should make for some entertaining promo's for the near future. At least Kane can still kick ass.

[TheTruNoLimit]

I don't think the angle has necessarily been going on too long. My beef with the entire thing is that Kane went from being the focal point of Raw to an afterthought this past Monday.

The angle started with Batista beating Kane and Kane screaming is he alive or dead and going psycho on the announcers. During the 2nd week of the angle, Kane demanded that he face CM Punk, and walked around with a bag in his hand, and after he lost to Punk via countout, he snapped again, and was going to take Punk out before Batista could make the save. During the 3rd week, Kane comes out at the Bash and takes out both Punk and Batista and then asks the same question. On Raw, a confrontation has Kane getting the better of Batista. The fourth week, Kane comes to the ring to mix it up with JBL and Punk and later in the night Kane and JBL lose to Cena and Batista in tag action.

Now, with Kane mixing it up with Punk EVERY SINGLE WEEK and even mixing it up with JBL, I thought it was only logical that there would be a 3-way for the title at Summerslam to keep Kane fresh in everyone's mind. If Kane stayed involved in the World Title hunt then the contents of the bag could very well be delayed because Kane would have bigger fish to fry so to speak.

But the curious part is, after giving Kane a push with all the main eventers on the brand for a solid month, WHY DID WWE just DROP KANE OUT OF THE MAIN EVENT PICTURE ENTIRELY when all signs pointed to Kane being in a title match at Summerslam?

Instead, he destroys Matt Striker and that's it?

To me, that is the most annoying part is that when WWE tries to push Kane, they always manage to somehow screw up the upward momentum they at first create for him.

[slimmshady]

I think wwe were going to push Kane and the original plan seemed to result in a feud with batista or/and cm punk but I think what wwe are trying to do is to first expose whats in the sack before they go for the big push and the rumors that are going around this forum, its got to be the mask so maybe they want to push the masked kane instead of the original one. But like I stated previously, I think wwe will show the struggle between the two sides of kane in the form of the masked kane vs normal kane but it will be more mentally than physically. However, the end result will be like I said before, some matches kane will appear as his original self and some he will appear with the mask on representing the struggle inside of his head. Its quite similar to the storyline of the green goblin in spiderman. Where there was a constant struggle between the good side of peter's best friend harry and the evil green goblin side. And Basically, I think that this is the only true way of bringing back the masked kane, even if it is for a brief period. Also I think that wwe tried to bring back the masked kane in 2006 when the original kane ripped of the masked from the fake kane and threw him out of the ring. But it seemed that there was no actual purpose for kane to where his mask again back then but now the story seems to be plotting out OK.

[a7xoff]

Nice twist tonight on Raw. Rey Mysterio vs Kane seems to be the next feud that Kane will be involved in. Something still remains to be seen though.... When Kane says Is he alive or is he dead" is he really talking about Mysterio. I mean what's going to happen if he is? Is he going to learn that he is actually alive and freak out for the 100th time? See the problem with Kane is that WWE seemingly does not know what they want to do with the guy. One minute he's crazy, the next he's down and out for the three count. I can see Rey coming back to have a match with Kane, beat him, and then Kane basically fade away. I really can't figure out what they plan on doing with this. I guess we will see...

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

Did anyone else think immediately that this just screams "WWE had no idea what to do, so at the last minute, they just made something up, and now we've had the build up to a conclusion that makes no sense just so we can get some mediocre (or failing) angle in the next few weeks and in retrospect we'll all think it was ridiculous"?

Smell like the Bastard Son storyline, much?

Not only does it not make sense, but its going to result in MATCHES that don't make sense. Mysterio is just too small to be taken seriously when he's the opponent of the bigger guys. So this will just proceed to make Kane look bad. Say goodbye to the prospect that "Kane might have a second shot at a real world title reign" lol.

[Suneeboy]

LOL. WWE screws us again and builds up a story to give us something that will just result in mediocore matches. I really didn't see that coming though, so it was a good surprise...but the build up to it made no sense. LOL@myself for thinking the WWE would give the fans what they've been asking for since the start of the angle. Just bring back the damn mask and give Kane one last good run and a World Title then let the guy retire with dignity and go into the Hall of Fame...Now we get another Rey Mysterio underdog feud or an Odd Couple Tag Team Championship run with Kane and Mysterio.

[Ozzy33090]

This is yet another example of Creative's spontaneous booking. It just never seems like they PLAN anything. They've been toying with a big Kane push for how many years now? It never comes into fruition.

I really doubt this leads into a Kane/Mysterio program. I'm inclined to think that Mysterio returns and vaults himself into the IC title scene, while Kane fizzles away in trademark fashion. But hey, there's always Striker or Noble to beat up on.

Heck, Kane segments may turn into comedy hour, and he'll be a joke face. A win over Kane nowadays is just as good as one over Jim Duggan.

[ryantheking07]

A few people in the live RAW thread think that Kane switched out the bag, since WWE knew the whole bag idea would be spoiled (like the Save_Us thing, and etc as said before) to swerve us/the fans. But, honestly..I don't know..after tonight..something tells me..this is it..We won't get to see Kane in his mask. But, even if we don't..he doesn't need the damn thing to be a monster psycho..

[DeadmanInc.]

Well, it was unexpected but rather anti-climatic. To me, this reeks of spontaneous writing by Creative. It seems like they wrote themselves into a corner and didn't know what direction to take with his storyline.

It could be interesting to see where they go with this though. I mean, why the hell would Kane be so concerned about Rey Mysterio? Maybe this is a possible heel turn for Rey.

[ryantheking07]

I don't think Rey would turn heel, as the last time we saw him, he had a mini fued with Santino, and Rey wasn't anywhere near Kane..so..why and how would Kane end up burning Rey and killing him?..Rey has done nothing to upset him. An interesting fact to note was that the announcers were pretty much silent when Rey's mask was pulled out, and Adam-aleerwhatever looked on oddly as Kane laughed. I for one, think WWE knew the smarks would find out what was in the bag, so maybe to swerve the fans, they switched the bag out..Perhaps Kane will come out at SS, or Raw next week and say that he tricked Adam-ale, and all of us. Thus, again, having Adam-ale take the real bag from Kane. He snaps, and chokeslams him to hell, and is "suspended" for awhile. Then comes back with this mask. It would be a cool thought, but something inside me, tells me it's not gonna happen, and that will possibly see Rey show up sometime soon with bandages on his face, calling out Kane for hurting him, and then they fued, unfortunately. I doubt WWE would cut him off the roster, as he's a pretty popular draw with the kids. But, if they don't resign him, maybe this is the way they'll write him off..

[D.I.S 202]

I still don't think Kane was referring to Mysterio with the "Is he Dead or Alive" comments since it would be very pointless to create all this suspense just for a Kane/Mysterio feud.

However if this is the route their going with Kane than thats proof that creative really has nothing for him and he was better off on ECW where atleast he's in the title picture.

[simeon63]

What is the WWE's problem lately? They had two story lines that totally got shot down the crapper. First Adamle as GM of RAW, how lame was that ? Now Kane carrying around Rey Mysterios mask, can anyone say stupid ? Why would Kane care if Rey is dead or not, considering Rey has been on Monday night raw since this lame storyline started. This had allot of potential, it had promise and the WWE failed again. Whoever is writing these big let downs for the WWE should be fired immediately! What is wrong with you people do you want TNA to catch you in the ratings ? This gimmick started of awesome and you allowed it to become some stupid angle to bring the midget back into wrestling.
By the way. you can't turn Kane heel, don't you hear the people cheer for him not matter what you do to him ? For years you have been trying to kill Glenn Jacobs character, but yet he still delivers and keeps the character alive. Yo Vince move on Kane is an icon stop screwing with it.

[Rug3r]

Cody Rhodes has great mic skills.

I know this is a bit off topic but I can't wait for Orton to come back, he got injured as soon as Raw started getting good and went through all those changes. I really do hope though that either Y2J or Orton take the title off Punk.

As for Kane, I'm interested to see where they are going with this like the others. Kane can't make up his mind whether he's alive or dead and it seems that the creative team can't make up their mind on whether Kane is a face or a heel. I've seen a lot of good explanations in this thread and I'm pretty sure that he has the mask in the bag. I wonder if he is only going to wear the mask or is his whole attire going to change if it is indeed the mask.

Fucking jinxed ass post.... I knew he wouldn't just wear that mask with no shirt and the same attire


I really want to see why Kane is interested in Rey Mysterio... at first it was Paul Bearer (ruled out), then undertaker (ruled out), then Vince McMahon (never went with that one from the start), then his old self. It seems he got his old persona back but with no mask. They knew we thought it was going to be his mask, then when I heard him say there's a mask in this bag... I was like oh shit... so is he gonna put it on or what? Then when he said it wasn't his mask... I instantly knew it was Rey Mysterio.

What is the WWE's problem lately? They had two story lines that totally got shot down the crapper. First Adamle as GM of RAW, how lame was that ? Now Kane carrying around Rey Mysterios mask, can anyone say stupid ? Why would Kane care if Rey is dead or not, considering Rey has been on Monday night raw since this lame storyline started. This had allot of potential, it had promise and the WWE failed again. Whoever is writing these big let downs for the WWE should be fired immediately! What is wrong with you people do you want TNA to catch you in the ratings ? This gimmick started of awesome and you allowed it to become some stupid angle to bring the midget back into wrestling.
By the way. you can't turn Kane heel, don't you hear the people cheer for him not matter what you do to him ? For years you have been trying to kill Glenn Jacobs character, but yet he still delivers and keeps the character alive. Yo Vince move on Kane is an icon stop screwing with it.

Damn, chill the hell out. I like Mike Adamle as GM so far. The Kane angle kept us tuned in and kept us guessing. The bag did it's job well. If he didn't say shit until he took out Rey Mysterio's mask... it would have had a better effect but that didn't happen. I still want to see where they are going with this. His character has gotten a lot better.

[The Ghost Of Monkey]

After sitting back and letting my inner mark take a breather. I have come to the conclusion that this is a very interesting way to go about it. It may not have been the best, but it surely is very interesting. I'm curious to know what Kane did to Rey Mysterio, and I still want to know why he had said "Is he alive or dead".

What I really think people need to do though is sit back, and watch this unfold. give it a little more time to see what happens. It's called a storyline, the story isnt over yet. I digress though. I'm very intrigued to see where this goes. Hopefully they can maintain my interest.

[iwin122]

im thinking summerslam is going to reveal rey mysterio all bandaged up and stuff and kane is probably going to take a heel turn....although i liked him as heel better cause hes awesome when hes psychotic. Anyways as for why he did this to rey i hope its something good and not retarded like "HES MY BROTHER!!!!" or im just quitting raw right there. And i think someone else shoul dget involved in this too i cant see them making such a big deal with just kane vs rey-rey or thatd be disappointing. Kane still can bring his mask back too its not like he said it was gone, as for them faking rey, i highly doubt it was a "fake bag". Something is going to happen at unforgiven because that seems to be kanes ppv as of the last years plus hes on one of the posters. WWE finally surprised me again. *clap clap* to the writers of raw finally

[phat_inallthegoodplaces]

people, come on! he knew adamle was going to take his bag so he put a mysterio mask in the bag instead. he's NOT concerned about rey. the story line has NOTHING to do with rey. everyone needs to forget that kane mentioned rey, it's just a trick by creative to remind everyone that rey is on raw and he will be coming back, but not due to anything with kane or involving kane. rey hasn't been on the show because he's still recovering. he just did a two match stint with santino because he didn't show up at the draft show for anything. so everyone, stop worrying. kane with mysterio mask=joke.

[Soul Reaper]

I think him pulling out the Mysterio mask is just a way for Mysterio to be released without it being acknowledged on TV because of his contract dispute. Or maybe he took out his mask so Adamle wouldn't find it. I thought this angle was going to end with Kane getting burned by someone and putting his mask back on. He really doesn't even need the mask again. When he use to have the mask all I wanted was to see what his face would look lie. Now that people have seen his face I don't see the point of putting the mask back on. I guess they're trying to reawaken the monster inside of him or something. Anyway I really don't care. This angle was really hit or miss and in my opinion it missed. This angle needs come to an end soon.

[Bap]

I hope to God they are going somewhere with this. I am a major Kane fan and have been for years. He needs something more and I thought this was going to be it. But then maybe then can still go somwhere. Maybe Rey returning at Summerslam with scars wrap around his face which is somehow because of Kane. Then Rey in turn ruins Kanes face making him return to wearing a mask too... Anything that keeps Kane intresting satisfys me so please creative don't be lazy and stupid with this!!!


Ideally I would prefer Kane to have made a fool of Adamle and brought the wrong mask out cause he knew he couldn't get away with not showing what was in the bag...... We shall see I suppose....

[slimmshady]

Damn wwe, those idiots, there was an opportunity and reason probably for the masked kane to return but they f*cked it up and instead its rey mysterio. This is probably an attempt for kane to become fully heel and stop the crowd from cheering for him therefore sticking in an underdog that the crowd loves they are hoping for a change in response of the crowd against kane. Seems to be another lame story but I was really sure that kane's mask was in the bag, maybe it was another last minute change of plans and they decided to stick mysterio's mask inside the sack. Think about it, why would kane knock out ring announcers and cameramen and say is he alive if it is mysterio. Now I can understand it if it was the undertaker kane was referring to as it shows that he is scared of him but mysterio is half the size of kane. So I think it was a last minute change of plans that lead to this story. Damn, things were shaping out themselves as the masked kane could have re-debuted at hell in a cell at summerslam and once again attack the undertaker.

[chezzvegas]

Maybe this will lead to a weekly segment where Kane brings out another bag every week with other wrestlers masks in? Like Mankind's mask, Ultimo Dragon? Tiger Mask? I wont even try and find a bag big enough for Jyushin Thunder Liger's mask! WWE writers have really screwed this one up. I still hope that Kane swapped the bag and will come down at Summerslam into the HIAC match, rip the door off and repeat his actions from Bad Blood '97.

[mr_shwiggy]

here's my complete unsubstanciated guess work, now that the mysterio mask has been brought into the mix. I think this would be a sweet idea, but it probably wont happen.

Last week GM Adamle, threatened to force Kane to reveal the contents of his bag, so Kane thought to himself 'hmm... if i want to keep *real contents* hidden and *eventually build to rewarding payoff* I should put something completely inconsequential in my bag, just to confuse that American Gladiators A-Hole.

(and of course continuing to hide whatever is 'really' in the bag makes perfect sence to a psychopath who was hiding something in a burlap sack by bringing it to his cut throat, bloodsport job, and then leaving it unattended during his matches continuously for around a month)

So Kane plants mysterio's mask in the bag to throw Adamle off and then some sort of swerve happens and kane goes back under the mask and kills all of Adamle's Bodyguards and then adamle recruits some heels to be in a stable to protect him and all of a sudden Kane is the new Steve Austin...but huge....and under a mask....and crazy....and not nearly as drunk...

Long story short, its a swerve, and the best is yet to come.............
at least thats what Im praying to THE WRESTLING GOD for.

[Sparky]

here's my complete unsubstanciated guess work, now that the mysterio mask has been brought into the mix. I think this would be a sweet idea, but it probably wont happen. Oh goody, I hope this does not happen.

Last week GM Adamle, threatened to force Kane to reveal the contents of his bag, so Kane thought to himself 'hmm... if i want to keep *real contents* hidden Yes becouse Kane seems to be that smart. Why would he want it hidden it has been over a month now since he started it. Now would be the best time for it to happen. and *eventually build to rewarding payoff* How could putting the mask back on and keep it hidden until then resort to a rewarding Pay Off :headscratch:I should put something completely inconsequential in my bag, just to confuse that American Gladiators A-Hole. :lmao: Your right this will not happen this is the most absurd thing i have heard. Why would he want to confuse him if he is indeed returning to be a monster he once was.? It dont make sense you would think he would want to destroy him instead.

(and of course continuing to hide whatever is 'really' in the bag makes perfect sence to a psychopath who was hiding something in a burlap sack by bringing it to his cut throat, bloodsport job, and then leaving it unattended during his matches continuously for around a month) It does? really since when? if you ask me he wasnt hiding it to me hiding it is keeping it hidden not leaving it lying around where everybody can see it.
So Kane plants mysterio's mask in the bag to throw Adamle off and then some sort of swerve happens No just no it aint going to happenand kane goes back under the mask and kills all of Adamle's Bodyguards and then adamle recruits some heels to be in a stable to protect him and all of a sudden Kane is the new Steve Austin...but huge....and under a mask....and crazy....and not nearly as drunk... Right becouse that would really fall under the pg rating they are going for, "heres an idea lets have kane kill people" Are you on drugs? really i mean come on this is stupid.

Long story short, its a swerve, and the best is yet to come.............
at least thats what Im praying to THE WRESTLING GOD for.
Your praying for this to happen? Lord no. Im praying for this not to happen its not possible this is the most stupidest thing i have ever seen. This is worse then the idea of having kane have his old mask in there.


All in all the way this is going its perfect. and makes sense its unpredictable and puts rey into a good fued with rey i cant wait to see where this is going no i KNOW it aint got NOTHING to do with his mask.

[JPK]

What about a Mask Vs Mask match?

Anyway , I don't think this angle is dead yet. Lest we not forget that Kane interfered in the main event of the Great American Bash. Maybe they'll do the push without the mask. But Kane said that - "He is dead" - has he killed Mysterio? I think theres along way to go with this , although I don't think Kane will wear a mask again.

I agree about creative , they don't seem to have a clue what to do with him. The imposter Kane angle sucked , because it died on its backside. I just hope this is a wider ranging fued than a Kane Vs Mysterio fued. It certainly kept me intruiged - although seemingly asever at the moment , had the WWE Comedy let down.

[agentm005]

Your praying for this to happen? Lord no. Im praying for this not to happen its not possible this is the most stupidest thing i have ever seen.

Heh, that's ironic.

Anyways, what a build up...and what a let down. Unless creative hits this out of the park and delivers the best storyline we have ever seen, I just don't see this working. Unless this whole build up was to simply mark the return of Rey Mysterio, I don't see how Rey could be involved. And if Rey is dead how can he return? Just doesn't add up...there has to be something more.

By the way, did anyone else's first think when Kane was talking about the mask that it was going to be Mankind's mask? Wouldn't have made the outcome much better but at least it would have made a bit more sense.

[slimmshady]

The thing that makes this current situation stupid is when the hell did kane attack mysterio as I can't recall an incident. Over the last few weeks kane has attacked matt striker, batista, cm punk, jericho, jbl but no mysterio. And then he is saying every week 'is he alive or dead', why would he be referring to mysterio its not like he is the undertaker. There is no damn reason for kane to attack mysterio behind the cameras except for probably exposing mysterios face but the world has already seen it anyway. I have no clue what wwe are going to try to achieve with this new storyline. Unless, like what some of you people are saying in this forum, every week or 2 kane will come out with something new in his sack until eventually he brings his own mask out. Is this story meant to help kane's reputation?

[Jappa121]

This is really bad for kane, I think WWE is done with him, It was starting to look like they were giving him a push now it kind of looks like hes going to job to mysterio,

But what about this? wasnt mysterios contract up? and they were having trouble coming to an agreement...dyou think this means that Mysterios is almost done with the company? or did mysterio sign a contract?

[Ad!]

Personally, I feel this is a swerve, and the pay off will still involve Kane's mask.
However, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Kane injure Mysterio in the first place at a house show. He was definitely part of the match.

Can anyone confirm this for me? And do you think this could be a part of the storyline...?

[Tim Tam]

I think the WWE could've done a better job with this storyline. To me, this revelation seemed anticlimactic. I'm not really sure where the WWE will go, as I don't really want to see a Kane/Mysterio match. I just hope that Kane is using this as a cover up, which wouldn't work with his character, so I guess its not going to happen. Unless the WWE come up with another swerve, I think they have ruined this storyline's potential. However, it does have the pontential to be a good storyline. I'll just have to see where this goes.

[simpsons_fanatic742]

OK, first of all I am not going to say this storyline will become bad and I won't say that it will be good. I am going to let this play out a little more and see what kind of direction it's going in, but I will say this. I don't really like the way it's going now, but that is because I don't want to see the normal, Rey comes back for revenge and beats the much bigger and stronger Kane. I just hope they do something different.

[Wokrakken]

Well, we can't tell much from last night's RAW, but as it stands, it was a disappointing end to the whole "what's in the bag" angle. Having Rey's mask in there simply does not make sense. Rey has been out (bicep injury or something?) for some time, but he made an appearance the other week for a fun match with Santino Marella.

So.
What exactly does "Is he alive or dead" refer to? We all know Rey is fine.
Why was Kane so concerned about Rey anyway? Last time I checked they really didn't have much history.
Why was he carrying around his mask for anyway? Why would Rey be dead? Did Kane attack Rey? Why would Kane attack Rey then ask Michael Cole if he was alive or not?

The whole thing doesn't make sense. It seems to me like the whole Kane's Mask idea was the original plan. Last night on RAW Mike Adamle practically announced what everyone was thinking - the "is he alive or dead" thing was about the struggle between the two sides of kane, and that his mask was in the bag, etc. When Kane said that he did have a mask in the bag, you could hear the crowd cheer. It's what everyone wants. It's like they did this without planning a future for the storyline - they just did it to trick us.

Meh, either way, it was kinda disappointing :( Hopefully this mess gets sorted out next week...

[Taker316]

Holy shit dont ya people get it? No reason to get so crazy n worked up over it being mysterio's mask, its just a good twist! EVERYONE including myself expected it to be KANE's mask but they threw a swerve, unpredictable moment.

Honestly think about it. Earlier when Kane was talkin to Adamle, he was all phsychopathic, saying *you DONT want to do that* like if Adamle tried, Kane would kill him or something. THEN suddenly cuz he has his lil bodyguards Kane suddenly complies and gives the bag to Adamle?? without even getting pissed but just laughing? Just think about it. Everyone thought it'd be Kane's mask. Kane woulda known by now he'd have to give it over, so why not just switch what's in the bag? He's obvioiusly got nothin to do with Mysterio, he just did that to TRICK Adamle, and STILL no one know's what was really in the bag. If Kane was THAT concerned about giving the bag up dont you think he'd fight back? do ya REALLY think all them *bodyguards* (who couldnt even contain 2 men as in cena n batista later on) would stop Kane from goin apeshit on Adamle's ass?

The way i see it, the whole thing's got NOTHING to do with mysterio, just another curveball in this wicked storyline. It's just a trick, nothing to get worked up over.

[slimmshady]

The way the story has shaped out just doesn't make sense. But if it ends up resulting in a feud between mysterio and kane then I feel that kanes reputation will become shattered if he loses to mysterio constantly. But if kane is planning on retiring then why would his last feud be against someone small like mysterio? Whatever plans out now and the feud between mysterio and kane starts then I would feel that another opportunity for kane has been seized again. The kane heel story was meant to lead to a feud with batista or/and cm punk but due to cena getting the way and jbl feuding with punk, kane was left in between.

[Jappa121]

See, Like I said before, no matter what storyline Kane is involved it, it always starts out extremely promising but fizzles out within 3 weeks of it starting due to things that arent supposed to effect Kane negatively but end up doing so on accident, like slimmshady said, everyone got paired up so in the end Kane was left all on his lonesome, Stuff like this repeats itself quite often

[slimmshady]

I really hope I'm wrong and there is twist to the kane storyline for the sake of kane's reputation and most of all for his future. He definitely has to be the most under used wrestler in wrestling history but yet he would rather put the new generation of wrestlers in front of him even if it destroys his reputation. Now I can't understand why wwe constantly backstab him when it comes to giving him a push. As when it seems that kane is getting what he deserves for his hard work over the years, it looks as if wwe decide to give him a decent story to run with and then just abandon it. This has been happening constantly after the feud with the undertaker at wrestlemania 20. It's so frustrating but yet the fans never seem to boo kane even though he has turned heel (maybe a feud with the undertaker could have changed the crowd reaction if kane re-debuted with his mask on at summerslam, hell in a cell and tombstoned him, reminiscent to bad blood 1997). But all in all, I really hope that the mysterio mask was just a cover up to prevent Adamle from seeing what was in the bag the previous week.

[healyz84]

Just because it was Rey's mask that Kane pulled out of the bag doesn't mean that it was Rey that Kane was referring to. He started asking 'is he alive or dead?' then began coming out with a bag. It was never stated by Kane that the bag had anything to do with his statement. We just all assumed it did. Maybe these are 2 totally different phenonmenon's happening to Kane at the same time. I really don't think it will lead to a rey/kane feud, especially since Kane stated that whoever he was referring to was dead.

[Nicholas]

That was a plot twist that even M. Night Shamylan wouldn't ever dream of making. However, like stated above, it's a trick. What beef does Rey have with Kane? NONE. Kane just gave up the bag so easily to Adamle, who had bodyguards half of Kane's size. I was actually getting out of my chair and yelling at my dad, "IT'S KANE'S OLD MASK, IT'S KANE'S OLD MASK!!" Finally, when the suspense ended and the mask was pulled out, my heart sank. My respect for Raw diminished and I felt like putting my foot through the tv. That, and my anger was fueled by those retarded fans screaming "WHAT?" every 5 seconds. Good God I felt like destroying the TV.

[TimAH]

That was a plot twist that even M. Night Shamylan wouldn't ever dream of making. However, like stated above, it's a trick. What beef does Rey have with Kane? NONE. Kane just gave up the bag so easily to Adamle, who had bodyguards half of Kane's size. I was actually getting out of my chair and yelling at my dad, "IT'S KANE'S OLD MASK, IT'S KANE'S OLD MASK!!" Finally, when the suspense ended and the mask was pulled out, my heart sank. My respect for Raw diminished and I felt like putting my foot through the tv. That, and my anger was fueled by those retarded fans screaming "WHAT?" every 5 seconds. Good God I felt like destroying the TV.

ok but kane did state the man who wore the mask is scarred beyond all human recognition. This leads me to beleive Kane at least did something to mysterio. The options I see are
A)mysterio vs kane fued
B)mysterio is gone from the wwe forever as kane "killed" him

[lostsoulforever]

I actually like it being Mysterio's mask, to an extent anyway.

It is, if nothing else, a curveball, no-one saw it coming. The main problem is a feud between Kane and Rey Mysterio just wouldn't be very good. Never mind the matches between the 'little guy' and the 'monster', the fact is, Rey Mysterio wears a mask anyway, so how will he be 'unrecognisable' when he would be wearing a mask anyway?

I'll be interested to see where this goes, it could be good, but it could also be very bad indeed.

[A-Lusion]

At first I was really confused/dissapointed when Kane pulled Mysterio's mask out of the bag. I assumed Kane is torturing Mysterio or something and then Rey would return and beat Kane and he would fade back into the mid card section.

But the WWE is obviously slowly playing out this storyline and I don't think it ends with Mysterio. Kane could very well make an appearance this sunday at SS. He might interfere in the Batista - Cena match, as I have no clue who would go over in that match. Thus Kane ending it in a no contest.

Or this whole thing could be another curveball. Kane could of easily switched his mask with Rey's knowing that Adamle was willing to do anything to find out what was in the bag. So we are now all left confused as to where this is going. I'm not going to think to much on it, I'd rather just sit back and let it all unfold. ;)

[Dead Kennedy]

It disappointed me and really put me off, but I'm willing to see where this goes. Feuds involving masks, as evidenced by the creative storylines from TNA, have the tendency to suck for some reason, though...strange stuff. Let's just see how it goes. I just hope it doesn't involve us having to see Rey Mysterio in the main event again.

[Antleader]

Earlier in this thread, somebody mentioned the second Ministry of Darkness with the leader Kane. If Kane has actually kidnapped Rey Mysterio, then he might have mutilated him enough to turn him into a lackey (I've always wanted to use that word) and apostle to lead the Second Ministry of Darkness. That would be very interesting, seeing how some of the wrestlers who were in the MoD got somewhat popular and big after that (JBL, Vicera, Ron Simmons, with the exception of Mideon). I think it would be interesting if that's what he was referring to.

[iwin122]

I still think rey isnt being tortured....yet, and something with not just reys mask, but all masks are going to have a part in this including kanes of course. They mentioned rey therefor rey may not be hurt or anyhting but hes got to have at least a mini part in this. I cant see MoD coming back though, the faction era is over i dont think it will ever start again. Kanes mask has to comeback in this storyline though someway somehow, it just has to. If does just end up beind a kane/rey feud then WWE just wasted what could have been THE best storyline in awhile.

[slimmshady]

I think kane is meant to be taking out everyone who wears a mask or wore a mask in the past and every week or 2, he walks out with a different victim's mask in his sack. I recently remembered that mick foley wasn't at the last smackdown, maybe based on the story, he was/is the next victim. And kane will come out with mankind's mask. This will go on until eventually kane comes out with his own mask.

[Y2Jedi]

I think kane is meant to be taking out everyone who wears a mask or wore a mask in the past and every week or 2, he walks out with a different victim's mask in his sack. I recently remembered that mick foley wasn't at the last smackdown, maybe based on the story, he was/is the next victim. And kane will come out with mankind's mask. This will go on until eventually kane comes out with his own mask.

Whilst that may work, I really cannot think of that many people in the current WWE who have worn a mask previously. What's next after Rey and Foley? Charlie Haas?

I don't know where this is going, but it's got me mildly intrigued and I'll keep watching. The 1 thing that really bugged me about RAW was the lack of Jericho/HBK storyline progression. Regards to Kane, I think this will just lead to a Kane and Rey feud, hopefully not meaning Rey gets the big PPV win down the line whilst Kane drops back in to oblivion.

[Sparky]

I think kane is meant to be taking out everyone who wears a mask or wore a mask in the past and every week or 2, he walks out with a different victim's mask in his sack. No. This no matter how hard it is to beliave will have something to do with Ray. oh the horror. it has the potential to be good. let it play through.I recently remembered that mick foley wasn't at the last smackdown, maybe based on the story, he was/is the next victim. And kane will come out with mankind's mask. No something happend backscene with Foley and Vinnie Mac, I cant remember directly but this will have nothing to do with Mick Foley. its just rays mask and thats it. Why is that so hard to beliave.This will go on until eventually kane comes out with his own mask. You forced me to do this.... I didnt want to but. :smashfreakB: Really? The mask is not going to happen. Never. this storyline will not resort him to going back to his mask and thank fuck. I like Kane but its not going to be possible to make him into his post mask days straight away it wont work. please sit down and just let this take its course. This could work unlike Kane putting his old mask on.

[Jappa121]

I didnt want to but. :smashfreakB: Really? The mask is not going to happen. Never. this storyline will not resort him to going back to his mask and thank fuck. I like Kane but its not going to be possible to make him into his post mask days straight away it wont work. please sit down and just let this take its course. This could work unlike Kane putting his old mask on.

Why are you so against kane getting his mask back on?
and why dyou think a Rey/Kane Fued would be good?

The only thing I can see happening with a Rey/Kane fued is Kane getting beat and going farther down the ladder, The story looked like they were giving kane a big push, only to now look like they are just using him to bring Rey back....Is Glen Jacobs too nice backstage? How come he seems to get pushed around so much?

[Tim Tam]

Why are you so against kane getting his mask back on?
and why dyou think a Rey/Kane Fued would be good?

The only thing I can see happening with a Rey/Kane fued is Kane getting beat and going farther down the ladder, The story looked like they were giving kane a big push, only to now look like they are just using him to bring Rey back....Is Glen Jacobs too nice backstage? How come he seems to get pushed around so much?


He said to let the feud play out and he said it has the potential to be good, not that it will be good.

Glen Jacobs is more interested in helping put over other talent than himself, and this has been said countless times before. I'm not really sure, if this is a feud with Rey, that Rey will go over. Kane might cut a promo saying he is tired of getting pushed around and that he demands a title shot. This could be creative's idea as they want to reward Kane for his loyalty to the company.

[Sparky]

Why are you so against kane getting his mask back on? its not that im against it happening its that you guys think if it happend he would become indistructable again at the drop of the hat. It wont work. the mask was for mystery.
and why dyou think a Rey/Kane Fued would be good? I said it has the potential to be. who said it had anything to do with a fued betewwn these guys. it could involve ray and kane teaming up somehow. Now that would work if done right give it time you have seen what five minutes of it? give it till atleast this time next week.

The only thing I can see happening with a Rey/Kane fued is Kane getting beat and going farther down the ladder, The story looked like they were giving kane a big push, only to now look like they are just using him to bring Rey back....Is Glen Jacobs too nice backstage? How come he seems to get pushed around so much? where did you get the idea that this will stop him getting his push? really dude. it could mean Rey is turning heel and teaming with him. i would love this idea if done right. He is still getting his push me thinks its just going to be done different then all you guys want it too.

[Sparky]

I must say that was unexpected..

I loved the way adamle knew about him thinking its the mask etc. Yeah that was a great way to get him to open the bag it for the few minutes had people thinking they was right :lmao:.

Now..its where WWE go from here. I dont want to see mysterio feud with Kane. I am a big mysterio hater. He should of stayed on SD! We all know that mysterio will end up winning against Kane..-.- But there is a chance if they are pushing kane he will go over. I still think it will involve him teaming up with him rather then fueding with him. Its a way better and more entertaining thing to do.
I just hope that it is a swerve and mysterio has nothing to do with this. sorry this is the better way for it to happen. WWE needs to give the fans what they want, :headscratch: They are aint they? I will spell it out for you. P..R..E..D..I..C..T..A..B..I..L..T..Y thats what fans want and thats what the WWE is giving us. I tell you what people are never satisfied. a good percentage of people do want kane to be re-masked.. That percentage are people living in a dream world. I wouldnt mind it happening but at the same time It wouldnt work and it wont happen. Unfortunatly for all of you this is it. Time will tell......

[Davi323]

Revealing the mask of Rey Mysterio smells funny. Like, the WWE wasn't happy that the contents of the bag were figured out so quickly, so they changed it to confuse us. Having it be Rey's mask makes very little sense, having it be Kane's mask would have made a lot of sense. I just have a feeling they changed their minds because of the speculation fans had.