Honkameter.

[Rokitka]

Granted, I'm a big Santino fan, but him as champion just isn't good television, in my opinion. It's been a long time since we've seen some good feuds over the "Workhorse" title, and with him holding it, we're not going to get anything close to a "good feud."

But does this Honkameter indicate that we're trapped in this trainwreck of a title reign for close to 64 weeks?

[Vagrant]

Naw, I don't see it going past another 2 PPV's.

[Cena54VT]

i think even that is too long. I want to see some real competition worthy of the strap.

[Boogeyman666]

I'm not a big Santino fan however his comedic stylings are sometimes entertaining.However,I hope he doesn't keep the IC title for too much longer.With the emergence of younger talent hopefully soon WWE will start making some decent fueds over the IC title.:twocents::twocents:

[blowjoe5]

Which we will. I see Santino playing out the role he's been designed for, to entertain fans, but to annoy them at the same time. The point of his character, or any heel like him, is that the fans want to see him get beaten. WWE will leave this for a long time yet, build it up until the fans are genuinely sick of him, booing him relentlessly. They know nobody is going to stop watching because of him, plus the fact that he is actually funny, and so they'll build up a face character, possibly Kofi, maybe someone else, in a few months time, who'll finally, after a massive amount of build up, beat him. This allows Santino to keep in focus and gloat about his title reign, and also a new face to get over massively. It would also bring interest back to the IC title. In the meantime, sit back and enjoy the fun.

[TM]

Alright, Ill be the voice of reason here. The Honkameter is obviously super over, in a heelish way. It fits Santino's character to a Tee. Santino does the honkameter, and the fans boo. Hell do it for a while, and then move on. But for him losing the title, I dont see a reason why. He is the best heel, that isnt from Winnipeg, or sporting a broken shoulder on Raw.

[Harthan]

I think the Honkameter is a great idea. Think back to the Honky Tonk Man's reign, a reign we hold in legend...most of the time, he won in a cowardly fashion or got disqualified. He was a funny, cowardly heel who kept his belt and won his matches by doing the minimal amount of work. Face it; Santino IS the new Honky Tonk Man. I don't see any reason why he shouldn't hold the belt for nearly as long, if not longer, than the Honky Tonk Man. The only issue is whether interest can be held for a year...and I think that if he keeps screwing over popular faces, it will. I have every hope that Santino has a good, long title reign, nearing the Honky Tonk Man's.

[xN Starksx]

Face it; Santino IS the new Honky Tonk Man.

I couldn't have said it better myself. I can see why people bash on Santino, in a way, but honestly.. Is his reign as the IC Champ that bad? Is he really the worst person on RAW to hold that strap? Would you rather see the belt on Palumbo or Deuce? Really? Or better yet, what about Kofi? Sure, maybe it was too early to have Kofi drop the belt, but you could also say it was probably to early for him to hold the belt, as well.

Plus, what's not to like about the Honkameter? It's comedy gold, period. He'll beat the Honky Tonk Man's record, no problemo. People can hate all the way, there is still plenty of weeks left of it.. Get used to it people.

[Lee]

how is the honkameter SUPER over?

[TM]

how is stevie richards super over?

[justinsayne]

how is stevie richards super over?

Like the Honkameter he's not, Santino fans have to be the most biased fans in all of wrestling, they are by far more annoying than Santino himself

[TM]

I still don't understand how you can say anything negative about Santino. Please educate me on why he is a poor talent.

[Lee]

he isn't hence why he got released, I never said he was super over.

[xN Starksx]

How is Hornswoggle super over?
'Nuff said.

And really? Can no one give a legitimate reason for Santino being horrible?
But really.. If people hate him this bad, he must be doing his job.

[klunderbunker]

Because at the end of the day, he's supposed to be a wrestler, not a talker. The Rock, Jericho, Arn Anderson, Foley, and you could go on forever, all of them are great talkers, but they could have good matches too. The promos mean nothing if they aren't backed up by good in ring work.

[Lee]

my point is that you said Honkmeter was super over, it isn't super over. yeah it may be over but it's defo not super over.

I don't like santino, I don't find him funny or entertaining, but that's just a difference of opinions.

[TM]

How is Hornswoggle super over?
'Nuff said.

Reincarnation of Sparky?

[Lee]

How is Hornswoggle super over?
'Nuff said.

And really? Can no one give a legitimate reason for Santino being horrible?
But really.. If people hate him this bad, he must be doing his job.

speaking of super over...you may notice your sig's super over the limit...read the rules!

[klunderbunker]

I can give a reason why he's horrible: He can't wrestle, or at least his character can't. He's a mockery of the IC belt. If this were the HC title, or the European title, he'd be fine.

[Slyfox696]

I still don't understand how you can say anything negative about Santino. Please educate me on why he is a poor talent.
Because he's a terrible in-ring worker?

How is Hornswoggle super over?
'Nuff said.

And really? Can no one give a legitimate reason for Santino being horrible?
But really.. If people hate him this bad, he must be doing his job.A legitimate reason?

He's a terrible in-ring worker.

His offense lacks believability, his selling is unrealistic and his sole purpose is to serve in a comedy/jobber role. Now, while there is nothing wrong with that, it doesn't change the fact that it's true.

[justinsayne]

I still don't understand how you can say anything negative about Santino. Please educate me on why he is a poor talent.

Really, I need to explain this shit again?, ok this time I want you to fucking read the post, so I don't have to go through this with ever again

I think my post from the RAW LD last week puts it best

Santino has had like two good segments in his entire career thus far, one included Stone Cold, the other Jericho, Santino is so terriable he needs to be carried to a comedy segment, the guy flat out sucks, he's a waste of space and should have been released forever ago, people think he's funny cause he has an accent and butchers the English language, he just comes across a complete tool, not funny at all

Do you get it now?, do you understand the words that I have post on the fucking screen in front of your face?!?

[xN Starksx]

His selling is unrealistic? Ha! Because the Rock selling the Stunner was the most believable thing ever.. Let me do a back flip four times for no reason what so ever. Yeah, but Santino is unrealistic, totally.

[TM]

I can give a reason why he's horrible: He can't wrestle, or at least his character can't. He's a mockery of the IC belt. If this were the HC title, or the European title, he'd be fine.

If his character started locking people into arm bars, would that make sense? The IC title hasn't had importance in a long time. At least its believable that Santino wants the title.

[Slyfox696]

His selling is unrealistic? Ha! Because the Rock selling the Stunner was the most believable thing ever.. Let me do a back flip four times for no reason what so ever. Yeah, but Santino is unrealistic, totally.Who the fuck said anything about the Rock or the Stunner?

Why don't we talk about Santino?

[klunderbunker]

Yes actually that would make sense. It'd be wrestling.

Kofi was starting to bring a bit of credibility to it. He's young, he's over, he's good in the ring, he's an up and comer. Santino is a guy who gets cheap laughs and then has bad matches.

[Lee]

At least its believable that Santino wants the title.

that's the one redeeming quality he has.

We know he's capable of wreswtling, we're not stupid it's his CHARACTER that sucks

[klunderbunker]

You have a point about the Stunner, but comparing the Rock to Santino is just wrong.

[TM]

Really, I need to explain this shit again?, ok this time I want you to fucking read the post, so I don't have to go through this with ever again

I think my post from the RAW LD last week puts it best



Do you get it now?, do you understand the words that I have post on the fucking screen in front of your face?!?

I really can't believe even a blind man of not noticing how he has had a string of good promos in the WWE.

What made the Rock and Chris Jericho funny? a lot of the same things you will say for them, you could say for Santino. You cannot deny that, or you are a hypocrite.

[justinsayne]

If his character started locking people into arm bars, would that make sense? The IC title hasn't had importance in a long time. At least its believable that Santino wants the title.

It would if they had him go away for a couple months, then show him training and learning new moves/holds, then when they bring him back he incorporates a few new moves every now and then

[klunderbunker]

I really can't believe even a blind man of not noticing how he has had a string of good promos in the WWE.

What made the Rock and Chris Jericho funny? a lot of the same things you will say for them, you could say for Santino. You cannot deny that, or you are a hypocrite.

Yes Rock and Jericho are funny in the same way Santino is. One difference: They have good matches to back it up.

[TM]

It would if they had him go away for a couple months, then show him training and learning new moves/holds, then when they bring him back he incorporates a few new moves every now and then

So are you saying that if Santino started hitting some good technical moves, you'd like him?

[xN Starksx]

I wasn't really comparing Santino to the Rock.
No, I was merely pointing out that if Santino is unrealistic, he isn't the only one. Not by a long shot.

Plus, I'd rather see someone oversell any day, than seein' someone no sell the hell out of something. At least the oversell/unrealistic is at least believable in one way or another, but the no sell.. Oh, hey, I just got dropped on my head, but I'm gonna get right back up.

[Slyfox696]

Yes Rock and Jericho are funny in the same way Santino is. One difference: They have good matches to back it up.
They don't even have to be good matches. Just believable matches. Matches where you can suspend your disbelief, and fall into the emotion of the match.

Santino's matches make you painfully aware that you are watching scripted entertainment.

So are you saying that if Santino started hitting some good technical moves, you'd like him?
No, I'm saying if he could put on a match that made you think there was a small bit of realism to it would make me think differently about him.

[Slyfox696]

I wasn't really comparing Santino to the Rock.
No, I was merely pointing out that if Santino is unrealistic, he isn't the only one. Not by a long shot.The Rock was a believable seller. Yeah, he oversold the Stunner, but for the most part, his selling was appropriate and was good showmanship. Santino's selling is neither.

Plus, I'd rather see someone oversell any day, than seein' someone no sell the hell out of something. At least the oversell/unrealistic is at least believable in one way or another, but the no sell.. Oh, hey, I just got dropped on my head, but I'm gonna get right back up.What the fuck is the difference?

Either way, it ruins the illusion of realism in wrestling. No selling is just as bad as overselling, because both make professional matches look unrealistic.

[TM]

No, I'm saying if he could put on a match that made you think there was a small bit of realism to it would make me think differently about him.

Well with the character he has right now started to lose or win strings of matches, which one is believable. If he gets beat down, but managed to sneak out the win, like many of the greats did, would that make him a good wrestler? If he never won match, would that make him good?

[klunderbunker]

Back to the original topic, kind of at least, there's no way Santino goes as long as Honky did. Honky was around in a different era, where he was seen on tv far less and with far less ppvs, and at least he was a somewhat believable champion. His record is safe.

[Slyfox696]

Well with the character he has right now started to lose or win strings of matches, which one is believable. If he gets beat down, but managed to sneak out the win, like many of the greats did, would that make him a good wrestler? If he never won match, would that make him good?
What?

You're missing words, and your response addressed nothing that I said.

[klunderbunker]

For Santino to be a good wrestler, he needs a complete moveset overhaul. To begin with, he needs a moveset.

[TM]

Its not like the IC belt ever makes it to a PPV. Why when WWE has 3 top tiered titles. Santino is the only character single handedly making the IC belt known again. If he wasn't making it known, then he could easily go with it for a long time. But since he is making the title pronounced in Raw, then breaking the record will be a lot harder.

[Slyfox696]

For Santino to be a good wrestler, he needs a complete moveset overhaul. To begin with, he needs a moveset.Not really. Moveset really isn't that big of a deal. It's how you perform the moves and work the match that matters.

[justinsayne]

Back to the original topic, kind of at least, there's no way Santino goes as long as Honky did. Honky was around in a different era, where he was seen on tv far less and with far less ppvs, and at least he was a somewhat believable champion. His record is safe.

Agree, if anything I see this leading to a short feud between Santino and Honky, possiably with Honky costing Santino the belt, but nothing more

[TM]

What would make him believable Sly?

[Lee]

anyone who watches Raw knows there's an IC belt, they don't need santino to tell them.

[TM]

Agree, if anything I see this leading to a short feud between Santino and Honky, possiably with Honky costing Santino the belt, but nothing more

Or Honky helping Santino keep it against faces?

[klunderbunker]

That's my point Sly. He has next to no offense, ever, other than kicks and the rollup.

[TM]

anyone who watches Raw knows there's an IC belt, they don't need santino to tell them.

Chris Jericho sure did a good job of making people forget.

[Slyfox696]

What would make him believable Sly?Believable matches.

His matches, like I said earlier, make you painfully aware of just how fake wrestling can be. There's nothing realistic about his matches, and there's no emotional involvement in the match. It's fun in the "it's so bad it's entertaining" way, but that doesn't make him a good worker, nor will it ever make any headway in his career or the IC title.

He can still be the joke character, but put on realistic matches. They don't even have to be good matches, just believable.

[Lee]

oh yeah because Y2J doesn't bring the belt out, people forget it exists?

[TM]

With the Amounts of belts in the WWE, it is easy to forget one or two of them

[klunderbunker]

The amount of belts on Raw is all that matters. There's the WHC, the IC belt, the women's belt, and the tag belts. The midcard title means nothing at all right now, because the matches are designed to be nothing but jokes.

[justinsayne]

Or Honky helping Santino keep it against faces?

Why would he help Santino break his record, it's the one thing Honky is known for, not to mention Santino is coming out and saying he's better, surley that would get under Honky's skin and he would want to prove Santino wrong, I just can't see why Honky would want to help the guy who make fun of him break the record that is Honkys biggest accomplishment of is entire career

[xN Starksx]

Weirder things have happened in the WWE. Plus, he might be up for anything to get back on TV, even that means helping Santino.
And even if they have Santino beat Honky's record, that doesn't take away from the fact that people are still gonna look at Honkey as one of the best Intercontinental Champions ever.

[George Michael]

These mid-card titles seem to be more like props now anyway. Most of the IC champs from the past few years have scarcely defended them ie. Jeff Hardy, Jericho. I am of the belief that MVP held the US title for so long simply because it looked good with his character. I was more offended by his reign with that mid-card title. He made no real effort to grow or evolve as a wrestler/character. Watching him in the months since he lost it he's still the same old MVP.

Santino will beat the Honkey Tonk Man's record and lose the title the week after he does, keeping his reign in the context of entertainment and comedy. Whoever said it before me was right, that the WWE's title tiering system makes the IC and US almost insignificant.

Loveable losers fill the IC title history books. Who cares if one more gets in.

[klunderbunker]

That's the problem. The title was starting to be what it was supposed to be: the up and comers belt, with Kofi and earlier Jeff Hardy. Now its a joke. No way he holds it longer than three months though. This angle has no staying power.

[xN Starksx]

How exactly is Jeff Hardy still considered an up and comer? How many times had he held the belt before he lost it the most recent time to Jericho? Kofi was the only legitimate "up and comer" to hold the belt recently.

Jericho and Hardy are already established, so how can you say the belt was going back to what it was? Exactly. Santino is better for the belt right now, at least he's giving somewhat of a storyline to it.

[klunderbunker]

I'm referring to Hardy about a year ago. Are you honestly saying that Santino is a better IC champion than Kofi was?

[Lee]

when Jericho won the IC belt he was an up and comer, very simply. He lost it to Jericho because of the wellness programme, which is the only reason Y2J got it.

IC belt's not for up and comers anyways, that's why santino has it.

[klunderbunker]

when Jericho won the IC belt he was an up and comer, very simply. He lost it to Jericho because of the wellness programme, which is the only reason Y2J got it.

IC belt's not for up and comers anyways, that's why santino has it.

Which is what it should be. It hasn't been worth much since guys like Santino won it and it lost any credibility it had.

[Lee]

i don't think it ever has been, people have this image that it's a stepping stone, it was from about 94-98 that was it.

but that's taking away from the real reason of this thread


santino sucks.

[xN Starksx]

Honestly, yes. What does Kofi really bring to the belt? Smiling all the time and doing the same thing CM Punk gets bashed for, kick kick kick kick beat down kick kick.. Then out of no where he hits a gloried spinning heel kick and he wins?

Whether it's for pure comedic value only.. Santino is better for the belt RIGHT now. I just don't think Kofi is ready for it yet.

And the only reason I brought up Jericho is because, the belt was going back to bein' for the up and comers.. Why? Because ONE rookie won the belt? One guy doesn't bring the belt back to what it was.

[klunderbunker]

He does. Like a bunch of people ahve said, he's comedy. That's all he's good for.

[klunderbunker]

Honestly, yes. What does Kofi really bring to the belt? Smiling all the time and doing the same thing CM Punk gets bashed for, kick kick kick kick beat down kick kick.. Then out of no where he hits a gloried spinning heel kick and he wins?

Whether it's for pure comedic value only.. Santino is better for the belt RIGHT now. I just don't think Kofi is ready for it yet.

And the only reason I brought up Jericho is because, the belt was going back to bein' for the up and comers.. Why? Because ONE rookie won the belt? One guy doesn't bring the belt back to what it was.

Whoa whoa whoa. Are you saying Santino is further along than Kofi? Kofi is good in the ring, he's over, he's athletic, has a unique look, and is going into the upper mid card already. Santino is doing nothing but comedy and having Beth help him beat guys that are hardly ever on tv.

[Lee]

i'd rather see manu with the IC belt than marella

[xN Starksx]

Kofi is over, I'll give you that. But honestly, there is nothing unique about him.
He's just another average, athletic, guy who is getting a push.. What is unique about? Really? The fact that he smiles all the damn time? 'Cause that's what I would be doing 24 hours after losing my belt that I hadn't held for very long.. Smile. Makes perfect sense.

And what is his gimmick? What makes him stand out more than Santino in that department? Nothing.

[Lee]

and what's so unique about marella?

Nothing

[klunderbunker]

What makes him stand out? He's Jamacian, has great leaping ability, has unique offense, great music, he's African American which is rare enough in WWE, the hair is different looking enough to set him apart, he has a great physique. To say he's not unique is nothing but blind Santino bias.

[Big Beck-ah Roethlisberger]

Carlito was once unique.

[TM]

Whoa whoa whoa. Are you saying Santino is further along than Kofi? Kofi is good in the ring, he's over, he's athletic, has a unique look, and is going into the upper mid card already. Santino is doing nothing but comedy and having Beth help him beat guys that are hardly ever on tv.

Santino is good in the ring too
Santino is over, just look at the fans in the SFAC as an example
Santino is Athletic, he has been doing Judo for years
Santino has a unique look, Kofi is a Carlito rip off, and is unique because he is a black Rastafarian character
Santino is higher than Kofi on Raw IMO

[Lee]

but the SFAC has the same sorta people in it. 5 people on WZ is not over.

[TM]

we are just a small portion of the wrestling fans. Do you expect people to be all like "I LOVE SANTINO!!!!"? No, he is a fucking heel.

[xN Starksx]

What makes him stand out? He's Jamacian, has great leaping ability, has unique offense, great music, he's African American which is rare enough in WWE, the hair is different looking enough to set him apart, he has a great physique. To say he's not unique is nothing but blind Santino bias.

That is the reason why is unique? Wow.. Ya' know what?

Carlito was once unique.

Case and point.

[Lee]

No but you using SFAC as a thing as him being over is flawed. You've just admitted that, and all the guys I know who watch wrestling HATE Marella.

[TM]

because he is a heel? Do they also love Shawn Michaels and Triple H?

[klunderbunker]

He's good in the ring? At what, rolling people up?

The problem is his gimmick isn't long term. He's comedy. Once people stop laughing, he's got nothing.

Yes every WWE wrestler is athletic. I don't like Santino. Anthony Carelli is fine.

What's Santino's look? The unibrow?

If Santino is higher on Raw, why is he fighting Snitsky and D'lo, when Kofi is feuding with Orton's stable?

[klunderbunker]

That is the reason why is unique? Wow.. Ya' know what?



Case and point.

Yes, and one day Santino will stop getting cheap laughs and likely be gone. Kofi is already being put in the main event. Everyone is unique at one point or another. Kofi and most other guys have some room to move around. Right now, Santino is one dimensional.

[TM]

No but you using SFAC as a thing as him being over is flawed. You've just admitted that, and all the guys I know who watch wrestling HATE Marella.

If there is such a call to the SFAC, it is probably because he is over.

All the guys who watch it are supposed to hate him, making him a great worker. Thanks for proving my point

[Lee]

If Santino is higher on Raw, why is he fighting Snitsky and D'lo, when Kofi is feuding with Orton's stable?

ah I wish I could rep you now!

[Milenko]

Like the Honkameter he's not, Santino fans have to be the most biased fans in all of wrestling, they are by far more annoying than Santino himself
Please don't lump us all together.

[Lee]

If there is such a call to the SFAC, it is probably because he is over.

All the guys who watch it are supposed to hate him, making him a great worker. Thanks for proving my point

so you liking him proves he's done a shit job.

Thanks for proving my point.

[TM]

Yes, and one day Santino will stop getting cheap laughs and likely be gone. Kofi is already being put in the main event. Everyone is unique at one point or another. Kofi and most other guys have some room to move around. Right now, Santino is one dimensional.

Do you really see Kofi as ever becoming the champ? he has been around for a few months, and in a few months, hell be the next Paul London

[TM]

so you liking him proves he's done a shit job.

Thanks for proving my point.

Then the Rock was shit when he became over with the fans.

[klunderbunker]

I see him having decent matches. Somethign I've never seen Santino do.

[Lee]

Then the Rock was shit when he became over with the fans.

and once again comparing marella to the rock...

[TM]

If Santino is higher on Raw, why is he fighting Snitsky and D'lo, when Kofi is feuding with Orton's stable?

Hes with Cryme Tyme, the tag team that will be gone in a couple weeks. He is wrestling in a feud against a man who is injured.

D'Lo More over than Kofi

[TM]

and once again comparing marella to the rock...

And the Rock used to have a ton of critics too. You never know, Santino might be the next Rock.

[xN Starksx]

You see Kofi having decent matches?
He doesn't do anything worth a damn? So what, he can jump really high.. So can Matt Sydal and over half of the indy guys. Kofi isn't unique, get over it.

[TM]

I see him having decent matches. Somethign I've never seen Santino do.

I am sick of people throwing this into the debate, There is reasons for it. If Kofi didn't do all his kicks, then he would be the jamaican braden walker. Santino gets over on the mic.

[Lee]

the keyword there is MIGHT but no one will be the next rock.

[xN Starksx]

And Kofi MIGHT be feuding with Simply Priceless.. But he's merely a spot filler.
The feud is between Cryme Tyme and Simply Priceless.

Get a new argument.

[klunderbunker]

Yes he and Sydal are both athletic. And look where they are: Rapidly rising up the roster. They both have bright futures ahead of them. Santino has hit the peak of his career by talking abotu a guy that hasn't been on WWE programing regularly in 15 years.

D'lo is more over than Kofi? Wow. Just wow.

[TM]

youre right, hell be the next Santino Marella. He might become as popular as the Rock for all you know. You cant guess the future.

[klunderbunker]

I am sick of people throwing this into the debate, There is reasons for it. If Kofi didn't do all his kicks, then he would be the jamaican braden walker. Santino gets over on the mic.

Perhaps you're sick of it because you know its right?

Kofi kicks a lot. Ok true. Tell me: What's Santino's finishing move?

[klunderbunker]

And Kofi MIGHT be feuding with Simply Priceless.. But he's merely a spot filler.
The feud is between Cryme Tyme and Simply Priceless.

Get a new argument.

If that's the case who is he filling in for? Also, it's Orton's second generation stable vs. Punk, CT and Kofi.

[xN Starksx]

Well, considering right now.. It's just Simply Priceless and Manu versus Cryme Tyme, they kind of needed Kofi in there to even things up.

And can you really add Kofi to all of that, he'll stay as a spot filler? It's gonna be the second and THIRD generation guys against everyone.. Not just Punk, CT, and Kofi.

[Lee]

and still proving marella's shit...

[klunderbunker]

Yes and they put Kofi in there because he's young, good and over.

[xN Starksx]

How did any of that prove that Santino is shit? Explain that one to me.

[klunderbunker]

Show me a good Saninto match.

[xN Starksx]

Show me a match where Kofi really showed how "unique" he is.

[klunderbunker]

To begin with, try doing what I asked.

He's unique by his look alone. Not to mention the leaping ability, or that he's an African American on Raw getting a main event level push.

[xN Starksx]

Why? I've been asking what makes Kofi so damn unique for a while now.. And I only get the, "He's African American and he can jump real high" crap.

A lot of people can jump high, does that mean they should I try and get into the WWE and maybe they too, will get a push?

[klunderbunker]

He's certainly more unique than Santino. There are a bunch of people that can get cheap heat and do roll ups. Guys that can jump high: Kofi, Shelton, RVD, Sting, I could go on. What do those people all have in common? They're upper midcard at worst. Why hasn't Santino been in the main event, or even an important storyline yet? Oh that's right. HIS CHARACTER SUCKS IN THE RING.

[mattitude2007]

how is stevie richards super over?

The same way the Honk-A-Meter is. Not at all.

[justinsayne]

i'd rather see manu with the IC belt than marella

Wouldn't be surprised to see that happen within the next six months, after the Orton stable gets going, Rhodes & Dibiase have the tag belts, Orton will eventually get the WHC, so that leaves Manu to capture the IC title, so that the new stable can have all the gold

[justinsayne]

Why? I've been asking what makes Kofi so damn unique for a while now.. And I only get the, "He's African American and he can jump real high" crap.

A lot of people can jump high, does that mean they should I try and get into the WWE and maybe they too, will get a push?

It could be his athletic ability and being able to put on entertaining matches, also he's a new fresh face, overall he's fun to watch, he entertains me with his matches, which is the whole point of professional wrestling in the first place

[justinsayne]

If there is such a call to the SFAC, it is probably because he is over.

All the guys who watch it are supposed to hate him, making him a great worker. Thanks for proving my point

Yeah wow, he's over with a bunch of internet wrestling nerds who are in a fake fan club on a wrestling forum:rolleyes:, seriously do you not see how fucking ridiculous your arguments are, just casue he's got a few loyal hardcore fans here on WZ doesn't mean he's fucking over in the big picture, that's like saying HBK and Taker winning the WZ tournament is a huge accomplishment

[Monkey Winchester]

Yeah wow, he's over with a bunch of internet wrestling nerds who are in a fake fan club on a wrestling forum:rolleyes:, seriously do you not see how fucking ridiculous your arguments are, just casue he's got a few loyal hardcore fans here on WZ doesn't mean he's fucking over in the big picture, that's like saying HBK and Taker winning the WZ tournament is a huge accomplishment

If I've used this once, I'll use it again. It ALWAYS holds true...


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