The Montreal Screwjob was good for one reason

[Alan Quartermaine]

While it did help to create the character of Vince McMahon it did something far more important, it got Vince away from the announce table and stopped him doing backstage interveiws.

Good god he was atrocious, how dare someone that shit scream down the headphones of todays announcers?

Thoughts?

[Y 2 Jake]

Better than all the current announcers.

[HBK-aholic]

Great times.

[Alan Quartermaine]

Better than all the current announcers.

What? good greif man he sounded like he was choking on a hairball

[MasterDebator]

Vince was really good man. You'd rather listen to Todd Grisham, Matt Striker, or Michael Cole? I'd even say Vince was better than Tazz.

[TM]

Vince was an amazing announcer.

[Showtime 24/7]

He had a great voice, especially in his early days. His play-by-play wasn't that bad I thought

[Y 2 Jake]

What? good greif man he sounded like he was choking on a hairball

And J.R. sounds like half his face is paralyzed, what's your point?

[Alan Quartermaine]

Vince was really good man. You'd rather listen to Todd Grisham, Matt Striker, or Michael Cole? I'd even say Vince was better than Tazz.

All of those except Todd Grisham, you cant listen to someone who just sits in akward silence

And J.R. sounds like half his face is paralyzed, what's your point?

To be fair, you cant actually hear that JR's face is half paralyzed, well I cant anyway.

I guess I am on my own with my Vince the announcer hating, oh well cant win em all I guess.

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

Don't fret Jerichoholic101, i hated Vince as an announcer as well.

He blabbed on more about storylines than the wrestling, where as guys like JR and Styles balance the two evenly.

The emotion in Vince's voice sounded so forced that it was unbelievable at times and his laugh.... dear god it was annoying.

And they were all terrible at covering up the fact that he was in charge. Everytime a wrestler had a beef with a decision, they'd stroll up to the announce table and yell directly at him. In '94 when Jannetty beat HBK for the IC title? Vince is conducting the interview and then he takes it upon himself to make the title match instead of (on-screen) President Gorilla Monsoon coming out and making the match. Ridiculous!

Can't agree more, thank god Vince is off the headset.

[Slyfox696]

Vince doing commentary did a great job of getting the point of the match across. But Vince was bad at doing it. Let me explain.

Vince always called the important elements of a match. He didn't bog himself down with petty move names, just more of the storytelling element that was going on in the ring. He called the match the way it should have been called. He just didn't do a good job doing it the way it should be done.

Luckily for him, he had Jesse Ventura with him who could more eloquently put into words what Vince wanted to be done. Ventura called the psychology of the match, and the basic story, where as McMahon would do that "up and DOWN" (back body drop for anyone wondering) part of the match.


Vince called it the way it should be called, just didn't do a great job at it. But, he was fortunate to have great color guys who could get his point across.

[Alan Quartermaine]

So your saying right idea, wrong execution.

I think you and agent managed to sum up what I was struggling to put words too.

[Slyfox696]

So your saying right idea, wrong execution.Right idea, wrong execution, great color man.

And, it hasn't come close since. Everyone is all about "JR this, and JR that", but to be honest, I'd much rather hear Gorilla Monsoon and Jesse Ventura than JR any day. Because Gorilla is EXACTLY what a wrestling commentator should be, and was what McMahon tried to be.

[Mighty NorCal]

Bobby Heenan and gorilla monsoon FTW. good god they were great.


old school Vince was worlds better than "new era" vince. he was fucking absolutely horrid during those days. an abomination for the ears.

[Slyfox696]

Bobby Heenan and gorilla monsoon FTW. good god they were great.Ventura > Heenan


And it's not even close. Bobby made wise cracking quips. Ventura explained the heel psychology to the match and put the heels over.

[klunderbunker]

If you want good wrestling commentary, Ventura. If you want comedy, Heenan.

I always thought that at WM 13 Vince proved he needed to be out as commentator when he, JR and King were on commentary for the I Quit match and JR stole the show. Watch that match and just listen to JR talk. Vince is slow and boring and still sounds like its 1991. JR is going crazy and putting Austin over as a main event player, which was the main reason for the match.

[Mighty NorCal]

Ventura > Heenan


And it's not even close. Bobby made wise cracking quips. Ventura explained the heel psychology to the match and put the heels over.

Ventura was probably better technically, but I prefer Heenan. And if you want an example if a commentator putting over a wrestler, Heenan calling an Undertaker match is unparalleled. and hilarious

[klunderbunker]

1992 Rumble. All that needs to be said.

[Mighty NorCal]

1992 Rumble. All that needs to be said.

his commentary carried that lame overrated punch-kick-chop fest.

[Esteban Ochocinco]

Ventura and Monsoon are the king of commentating teams.

But by god Bobby Heenan is the funniest damn guy on a headset ever. His Ric Flair rants are priceless and his selling of the early Undertaker is bad ass.

[Mighty NorCal]

Ventura and Monsoon are the king of commentating teams.

But by god Bobby Heenan is the funniest damn guy on a headset ever. His Ric Flair rants are priceless and his selling of the early Undertaker is bad ass.

couldnt have said it better myself

[Esteban Ochocinco]

Everytime the Undertaker sits up, Heenan starts a "he's not human rant". Heenan made the undertaker as much as anyone did. Plus the It's not fair to flair stuff, especially when he lost the title at WM or came out at #3 are priceless. Heenans Damn it at the 1992 Rumble is classic.

[TM]

I sense another tournament coming!

[Mighty NorCal]

Everytime the Undertaker sits up, Heenan starts a "he's not human rant". Heenan made the undertaker as much as anyone did. Plus the It's not fair to flair stuff, especially when he lost the title at WM or came out at #3 are priceless. Heenans Damn it at the 1992 Rumble is classic.

"please god ill never do anything bad again...."


and his crybaby fits when Hulk Hogan came out. :lmao:


"look at THESE guys, they're alright, nothing wrong with them"

when UT came out during WM 8

[klunderbunker]

Heenan's 1992 commentary at the Rumble might be the best commentary for a match of all time. Heenan praising everyone heel or face when they helped Flair and then screaming at them when they turned on Flair is great. When Hogan comes out, Bobby absolutely lost it. Epic. Plain and simple.

[Esteban Ochocinco]

LOL, I just remembered the 1992 Rumble with Piper and Heenan. Some of that stuff made me cry when I watched that earlier this year.

It's not a skirt, I've always said that.

Piper hits Flair.

You miserable skirt wearing...

[Mighty NorCal]

LOL, I just remembered the 1992 Rumble with Piper and Heenan. Some of that stuff made me cry when I watched that earlier this year.

It's not a skirt, I've always said that.

Piper hits Flair.

You miserable skirt wearing...

:lmao:

I think im gonna stop watching Dino fight club, and go pop that bad boy in right now

[klunderbunker]

That was nothing short of perfect. He does the same kind of things with Jake.

On Haku-

He's not a nice guy. When I was managing he barely liked me!

Gorilla- You say that like its a suprise.

Heenan- What are you saying???

[klunderbunker]

:lmao:

I think im gonna stop watching Dino fight club, and go pop that bad boy in right now

I have a feeling I'm going to be joining you.

LD anyone?

[Esteban Ochocinco]

the 1992 royal rumble match is quite possibly the best thing the WWF has made the last 25 years. It's about as perfect as you can get.

[klunderbunker]

Perfect ending too. Looking back it was predictable, but when I was 3 years old, I was glued to the screen.

[Esteban Ochocinco]

I was 11, and there was no way in hell you could have convinced me at the time that Hogan wasn't going to win the Rumble again.

[klunderbunker]

Greatest swerve ever.

I have to throw that thing in. Haven't watched it in too long.

[Mighty NorCal]

yea ive got er in now LOL.

and no shocky. no. that thing is laborious without Heenan. IC and I have debated this. i find it impossibly boring. but have fun with what you will

[klunderbunker]

As far as in ring goes until the last 30 seconds its second only to 95 for awfulness.

[Esteban Ochocinco]

It's perfect because of the commentary. Without the commentary I still think it's very good, but combine the number of quality superstars in that match, Flairs performance, and Heenan's commentary, the live reaction, its a perfect storm for an incredible 60 minutes.

[Esteban Ochocinco]

yeah, the 1995 Royal Rumble was the most god awful thing ever. In fact, 1995 was pretty much the worst year ever for professional wrestling, and it's not debatable.

[klunderbunker]

Idk, 1993 comes close.

[Mighty NorCal]

My fav is by far 2002. roughly 1,987, 654 times more entertaining than 1992. Triple H comes back, Mr mutha fuckin Perfect comes back, Angle is hot, the crowd is nuts. fuckin a.

[Esteban Ochocinco]

it is awful, but at least the King of the Ring was good.

1995 saw the worst Royal Rumble ever
The worst Wrestlemania Ever (LT vs. Bam Bam in the main event???)
The Worst King of the ring Ever: King Mabel
The Worst Summerslam ever: King Mabel vs. Diesel
The Worst Survivor Series Ever: Yay crossface Chicken Wing.

[Esteban Ochocinco]

2002 was pretty bad ass, that Rumble was white hot. The You suck for angle was amazing. 2002 is pretty much my favorite year for wrestling, regardless of how terrible Wrestlemania X-8 was.

The 2007 Rumble is the best simply because of the last 15 minutes. No Rumble ending will ever be that good.

[klunderbunker]

Factoring in WCW, you might be right.

[klunderbunker]

2001 could have been the best year ever had it not been for the WCW angle.

[Esteban Ochocinco]

2001 was the best year ever, if the year ended in June. Seriously, the first 6 months of 2001 were epic beyond epic. It's amazing how terribly bad the WWE fucked up the InVasion and absolutely destroyed itself in a matter of 4 months.

[Mighty NorCal]

2002 was pretty bad ass, that Rumble was white hot. The You suck for angle was amazing. 2002 is pretty much my favorite year for wrestling, regardless of how terrible Wrestlemania X-8 was.

The 2007 Rumble is the best simply because of the last 15 minutes. No Rumble ending will ever be that good.

ill be honest and say I dont really remember it. funny, since I watched the shit live LOL. But there was like 12 people at the NorCal civic arena, and that was a fun, crazy ass night. I remember it was damn good though.

[klunderbunker]

I actually liked most of the Invasion, but dear lord it could have been better. It went very far to show what Vince really thought of his competition. The Winner Take All Match was in a WCW town, and had one ECW guy, one WCW guy, and three WWE guys.

[Esteban Ochocinco]

the InVasion was terrible. It turned the biggest storyline ever into a joke. WCW vs. WWF could have gone on for years, instead amazingly enough, it was over shadowed by the McMahon vs. McMahon storyline.

The thing that pisses me off the most, the WWF didn't want to buy out all the contracts of the WCW guys, yet in the next two years they brought in the n.w.o. Scott Steiner, Goldberg, Flair, all after the invasion. God the stupidity

[klunderbunker]

Oh yeah. Invasion could have been the biggest story ever. Sting and Taker, Austin and Hogan, Flair and anyone, Angle and anyone. It could have been phenomenal, yet Vince refused to allow it. Such a shame.

[Slyfox696]

Heenan's 1992 commentary at the Rumble might be the best commentary for a match of all time. Heenan praising everyone heel or face when they helped Flair and then screaming at them when they turned on Flair is great. When Hogan comes out, Bobby absolutely lost it. Epic. Plain and simple.LOL, I just remembered the 1992 Rumble with Piper and Heenan. Some of that stuff made me cry when I watched that earlier this year.

It's not a skirt, I've always said that.

Piper hits Flair.

You miserable skirt wearing...

That was funny Shocky.

But, Summerslam 1991. THAT'S where it's at. Monsoon, Heenan and Piper on the headset.

GREAT comedy. Hell, I think Piper was about to knock out Heenan for real. The commentary in the Hart vs. Perfect match was phenomenal.

[Mighty NorCal]

That was funny Shocky.

But, Summerslam 1991. THAT'S where it's at. Monsoon, Heenan and Piper on the headset.

GREAT comedy. Hell, I think Piper was about to knock out Heenan for real. The commentary in the Hart vs. Perfect match was phenomenal.

yessssiiirr. fantastic. will be watching soon

[ironman1180]

Bobby Heenan and gorilla monsoon FTW. good god they were great.




I agree, 100%. They were an amazing combination. They worked so incredibly well off each other. Their chemistry was just as good, if not better than, JR and King. I never really had much of a problem with Vince on commentary. In fact, the only time I really STARTED to have any problem with him was the Montreal incident and that was nothing that had to do with commentary. Things happened there that I don't think had to happen..but that's just my opinion.

[Alan Quartermaine]

And, it hasn't come close since. Everyone is all about "JR this, and JR that", but to be honest, I'd much rather hear Gorilla Monsoon and Jesse Ventura than JR any day. Because Gorilla is EXACTLY what a wrestling commentator should be, and was what McMahon tried to be.

Agreed, both announce teams with Gorilla & Ventura and Gorrilla & Heenan for that matter were better than JR and King.

To be honest while JR can call a great match and help you feel the intensity of a promo, in his latter RAW days it seemed like there was some favouritism going on there.

My best example would be when Jericho returned, although that was ruined by him clotheslining the torch-bearer you still had Jerry "The King" sitting next to him sounding pumped and excited when Jericho walked out but JR called it like it was nothing.

Only when HBK made his return a few months ago he went beserk, same with HHH and everyone knew that was coming. This move to SmackDown has freshened him up though.