The End of Taker's WM Streak

[kiriyama]

If you've read the headline, then you know what I'm talking about. If you haven't read it, here you go:.

WWE has been discussing The Undertaker's Wrestlemania streak quite a bit in recent creative meetings. They are toying with the idea of having 'Taker's streak come to an end, but are in the midst of discussing who would be the best candidate to defeat him. Vince, at this point, feels that the streak should never end, however he is open to hearing ideas that would involve a superstar on the "rise" to be the one that defeats the dead man. Most creative members feel that an established star should NOT be the one that ends the streak, but rather a rising star that could benefit from the enormous rub. One wrestler talked about is Ted DiBiase, as Vince is very high on him and hopes to push him as the next Randy Orton. There has also been discussion of bringing in Ted DiBiase Sr, to work a possible angle with The Undertaker and DiBiase Jr, as The Million Dollar Man introduced 'Taker when he debuted.

I personally like the idea, then again... I'm a BIG mark for heels. And Taker's streak to me has gotten boring and TOO predictable. That aside, I want to know you guy's opinion on this idea.

[Tim Tam]

I think this would be a great idea. It would elevate an up and comer into the main event and it needs to end eventually..

[TM]

This just in from TM.WWE.com

The Undertaker will have his streak ended next year at Wrestlemania 25. His opponent, Santino Marella will be the man who will end the streak. Santino wins the match at 0.35 with a roll up.

[klunderbunker]

I really hope this doesn't happen. Its the only thing that hasn't changed in nearly 20 years. Taker wins at WM. Why does it need to end?

[justinsayne]

OK, now the Shitino love fest is just getting beyond stupid, seriously, it's one thing for that shit to be posted in the your guys crappy lil' club, but that ^^^ is just being retarded

[justinsayne]

I really hope this doesn't happen. Its the only thing that hasn't changed in nearly 20 years. Taker wins at WM. Why does it need to end?

I really think the only time it should end is if Taker is gonna retire, and WWE has an up-n-comer that they can really rely on and KNOW is going to be around for a long time to make it mean something, you don't want them to give someone this shot, which is really a once and a life time shot, only to have them pull some shit like Lesnar did

[klunderbunker]

Which is why it should never end. I've been watching wrestling for as long as I can remember and based on what my family tells me, over 20 years. Taker has been winning at WM since I was 3. In wrestling, nothing has been that consistent. Nothing. Taker can give any guy a big rub at any show. Look at what Warrior did with the massive rub Hogan gave him at WM 6. I suppose I could live with it, as long as its by pinfall. If Taker taps out to end the streak, or its some bs ending, it might be awhile before I turned on Raw or SD.

[justinsayne]

Which is why it should never end. I've been watching wrestling for as long as I can remember and based on what my family tells me, over 20 years. Taker has been winning at WM since I was 3. In wrestling, nothing has been that consistent. Nothing. Taker can give any guy a big rub at any show. Look at what Warrior did with the massive rub Hogan gave him at WM 6. I suppose I could live with it, as long as its by pinfall. If Taker taps out to end the streak, or its some bs ending, it might be awhile before I turned on Raw or SD.

They could always go with the DQ finish, that way they could still say no one has ever pinned or made him submit at WM, I'm not saying this a a good idea, or that they should do this, I'm just saying they could, but I hope they don't

[klunderbunker]

I really hope they don't either. Love him or hate him, this streak means somehting. Yes, a lot of the oppponents have sucked, but Taker's matches are a highlight at Mania to me. It passed epic a long time ago.

[Tim Tam]

No. Taker has to lose clean if he ever loses at WM, otherwise it's just disrespectful to his legacy. A DQ win would do nothing for no one.

[justinsayne]

No. Taker has to lose clean if he ever loses at WM, otherwise it's just disrespectful to his legacy. A DQ win would do nothing for no one.

Wouldn't it be disrespectful to his legacy if he put some one over and ended one of the most impressive streaks in the history of sports-entertainment only for the guy he put over to turn his back on the company or completely drop the ball?, if a heel were to somehow get Taker to get himself DQed then they could still say they are the only person to have ever beaten Taker at WM, and that they are the one that will go down in history as the guy who ended the streak

like I said when I originally posted the idea, it's not a good idea, and not one I want to see happen, it's just an idea

[Tim Tam]

The person needs to be someone they know won't leave the company or drop the ball, if they want to end it. But I think they should never end it. Why do you need to? It's better if it's just left alone.

[justinsayne]

The person needs to be someone they know won't leave the company or drop the ball, if they want to end it. But I think they should never end it. Why do you need to? It's better if it's just left alone.

I agree, in fact I said the exact same thing in my fist post in this thread

[klunderbunker]

The problem is there's next to no way to prove someone won't leave. Bret, Hogan, Piper, Lesnar, they were all big stars and they left. Hall and Nash left at the drop of a hat.

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

Honestly, and I'm not saying this just because Taker is one of my top 5 favorites of all time, I don't think his streak should end.

Sure, it would give the opponent a HUUUUUUUUUGE rub. I don't think anybody can argue that. And if it DOES end, it would HAVE to be because of that reason.

But really, I think the Undertaker deserves to keep the streak going. He's never been known to have long title reigns, he's had to put up with being the go-to guy for feuds with slow monsters that go nowhere...why not give him a true legacy to leave behind? Are you really going to choose someone else that hasn't had any WrestleMania losses and build them up to become 20-time undefeated streakers or something? I doubt it will happen again. Edge and Cena had a good record going and they're done at what, 5? Let the Undertaker keep it. He's consistently been able to put people over on the TV shows and on the other ppvs, and he'll continue to do so. Having someone beat him at WrestleMania isn't necessary, its just a quick-fix. They'd still be able to receive a massive rub (albeit not as much) by ALMOST beating him at WM.

One thing I wouldn't mind seeing, though, and some people might disagree with me on it....is to have a situation where several referees get knocked out during the match and eventually, a heel wins, but by cheating. One other ref sees it, they stop the heel's celebration and tell them that the match has been restarted and it doesn't count. Undertaker then wins, and officially, he goes down as having lost, but not REALLY. That keeps the streak alive but still allows you to feel that moment of "omg, he lost?" An alternative would be, if DiBiase used the million dollar gimmick, that a ref gets knocked out by DiBiase and a new ref replaces him, quick-counts against Taker, and then we see DiBiase handing money to the ref, which causes either Chioda (as being senior ref, he should have veto power or something), a General Manager, McMahon, whatever, restarting the match and Taker winning it.

[kiriyama]

I actually think Ted Dibiase is a good choice, he most likely won't leave unless WWE does something of disrespect toward him or his father... because both are wrestling nuts and Pro-WWE, so can anyone seriously see him leaving unless he's horribly-misused?

Taker has to lose at Mania sooner or later, preferably when he retires... though I'd rather not see him have to leave on a loss, but it's better that way storyline-wise. Everything needs to change sooner or later (except for the HWC!), and Taker's time is ticking on my clock. Now, I'm not an Anti-Taker/Face fan, it's just it is about time he loses there for once. I mean, he can lose anywhere else, but WrestleMania... I don't get it. Then again, I never been a die-hard Taker fan, so I don't know the story behind his WM luck. Anyone want to clue me in?

Whichever rising star(hopefully Dibiase) gets the role of "Streak Ender", he'll garner MASSES of fucking heat. You think Vicky got/gets heat for banishing him?! Think about the heat this guy will get for not only retiring the Undertaker, but also ending his unprecedented WrestleMania streak. Can you guys say, "BEST HEEL EVAR!" :D

[Danmen001]

It shouldn't happen. The person who ends it gets super-heat. What if he stuffs up? That destroys it all. I hope Vince keeps to the thought it should never end, because it would not increase the ratings at all ... in fact, it could lower them.

[HBK-aholic]

Why the hell are they doing this?? NO!

[Danmen001]

^^^

[Rusty]

Taker's streak won't end. That is all.

[raptorsfan4life]

I'm like not even joking, if they're gonna do it i'm gonna buy tickets somehow and like interfere in the match right when its gonna happen...... If anyone should do it though it should be austin if he does decide to wrestle... i mean he did make undertaker a better heel during the ministry days..... Austin or noone

[Sportsperson411]

Basically it has to be a superstar that you can "trust" that will stay with WWE because of the Lesnar screw up, I'm not sure if there's anyone on the roster who would actually go over Undertaker. I just hope for God's sakes Hornswoggle is not that person who would beat Undertaker otherwise I would just quit WWE. If there's a guy on the roster I would consider would either be Ted DiBiase maybe, possibly CM Punk, or a heel John Cena which could turn Cena heel (see what could turn John Cena heel thread for reference), or maybe even Jericho could win against Taker. Who knows?

[Skullz Crack'Em]

This won't happen. The WWE is probably leaking these "meetings" on purpose to put doubt in people's minds. Personally, I would like for someone to get a huge rub off of ending Taker's streak and Ted Dibiase would be a great choice, but Vince needs a reason to keep Taker around for another 10-20 years, so it is not gonna happen.

[klunderbunker]

I'd been thinking that too. How many times have we heard "this year it ends"

[Sparky]

So what if it does end. It aint going to be the one thing he will be remembered for is it?

[part-time-superhero]

taker already won a wrestlemania by d.q. vs giant gonzales('93)(i think)

a guy on another thread said they could have taker lose at 'mania by having him in a 2 out of 3 falls match an he could win the first an third match. so he wins the match, but he would have actually been pinned or whatever at wrestlemania.

on a related note can anyone tell me if chickens have large talons?

[Sparky]

taker already won a wrestlemania by d.q. vs giant gonzales('93)(i think) yea

a guy on another thread said they could have taker lose at 'mania by having him in a 2 out of 3 falls match an he could win the first an third match. so he wins the match, but he would have actually been pinned or whatever at wrestlemania.yaha
on a related note can anyone tell me if chickens have large talons?Yes Yes i can.

[justinsayne]

taker already won a wrestlemania by d.q. vs giant gonzales('93)(i think)

Yeah so, that has nothing to do with this, I was saying he could LOSE by DQ

a guy on another thread said they could have taker lose at 'mania by having him in a 2 out of 3 falls match an he could win the first an third match. so he wins the match, but he would have actually been pinned or whatever at wrestlemania.

Umm...yeah, and your opnion on this would be....what?

on a related note can anyone tell me if chickens have large talons?

IDK, nor do I know what this has to do with this thread, unless you are thinking a chicken should beat Taker at WM by using it's lethal taolns

[part-time-superhero]

the only way a chicken would compete at wrestlemania would be if it was an epic chicken vs turkey match of the year candidate.

[FozzyRocks05]

YOUR JOKING RIGHT!

Ok you don't build a streak like that (16 wins) only to decimate at the end Vince wake the F up dude. Second if you do I think I already know your decision and it's not a staple, or up and comer its your buddy..yea that's right I said it. Personally I like Cena but anyone ending the streak would be gay. Also you had a great chance to end the streak and it should of been Edge...both going into Mania were undefeated (i know wm23 inncident aside)....Edge could of skyrocketed the heel barometer if this happened. In fact I remember the emotion going through the ENTIRE sports bar I was at when second spear connected. Honestly vince stop screwing up the few shreads of good enertainement you have left:undertaker2:

[justinsayne]

YOUR JOKING RIGHT!

Ok you don't build a streak like that (16 wins) only to decimate at the end Vince wake the F up dude. Second if you do I think I already know your decision and it's not a staple, or up and comer its your buddy..yea that's right I said it. Personally I like Cena but anyone ending the streak would be gay. Also you had a great chance to end the streak and it should of been Edge...both going into Mania were undefeated (i know wm23 inncident aside)....Edge could of skyrocketed the heel barometer if this happened. In fact I remember the emotion going through the ENTIRE sports bar I was at when second spear connected. Honestly vince stop screwing up the few shreads of good enertainement you have left:undertaker2:

Dude, did you not read the report, it clearly says Vince is not in favor of ending the streak, but is open to ideas, and if he hears a good enough one then he'd consider it

[SAMOAJOE187]

to me i think it should be hbk because this will be his 2nd year that he had won and the loser got a great appaluse and i think if this does happen it will undertakers and hbks last match.and at the end they both shake hands.

[derkman7]

I honestly don't care if the WWE decides to end Taker's streak, but there would be one scenario that I would take offense to. If it is HHH I would honestly be pissed. He has nothing to gain for beating Undertaker.

If HHH retains the title until Wrestlemania (Although I seriously think he may lose it at this upcoming PPV.) and the match Undertaker vs. HHH for the title is announced, I hope that this isn't true.

If anyone finally beats the Undertaker, it has to be an over, fresh, talented, and devoted HEEL superstar. Looking at the current Smackdown roster, there is really no one that could do it. I like Edge, but he has already lost to Taker at Wrestlemania, and he is also an established star. It could possibly be a returning Umaga (I remember at one point there being an article talking about an Undertaker/Umaga fued.) or if they really want to make a star out of Kozlov they could have him go over. (Although I wouldn't like this outcome because I haven't seen anything but squashes from Kozlov yet.) One outcome I would like would be to have Shelton Benjamin beat him. He has been bouncing back and forth between jobber and star, and I know that he has the talent to carry this through.

[Sparky]

YOUR JOKING RIGHT!

Ok you don't build a streak like that (16 wins) only to decimate at the end:headscratch: isnt that the point of winning straks? take umaga for instance unstoppable for ages until cena pinned him and go over.Vince wake the F up dude.If he wants to sleep let him its late out. Second if you do I think I already know your decision and it's not a staple, or up and comer its your buddy..yea that's right I said it. yeah you said it but you didnt say who it was...Personally I like Cena but anyone ending the streak would be gay.Czena suxs he only knoz 5 movez. Also you had a great chance to end the streak and it should of been Edge...both going into Mania were undefeated Uou just said it right here...(i know wm23 inncident aside)....Edge could of skyrocketed the heel barometer if this happened. Edge dont need it.:undertaker2::flair:

[Haner388994]

I actually, sadly, hope that Undertaker loses at Wrestlemania this year. I hope he loses in a clean pinfall to an up and coming superstar. One guy that comes to mind to me would be Ezekiel Jackson. The creative team likes his look and I think he could make a great singles competitor. I think a scenario with him turning on THE Brian Kendrick, beating him and start building a good winning streak then, have him say something about beating Undertaker at Wrestlemania and you have a classic Undertaker battle at Wrestlemania. The only difference this time would be Undertaker losing.

[Big Beck-ah Roethlisberger]

:flair:
:hogan:

anyways, all good things must come to an end. ( was his streak really that good?)

[Sparky]

:flair:

No No it wasnt. him losing it will not hurt him at all. I am all for a young up and comer to win it. it will put the young guy over and it wont hurt the undertaker.

[Dead Kennedy]

I personally don't want it to ever happen, but if they should do it, I think the honors should go to an up-and-coming star. Someone like MVP.

Ending Taker's undefeated streak would put him over as a heel for life. Everyone would hate him, hell, even the mark in me would. MVP can work a good match with the best of them, and this is a match I'd really like to see.

I'd also like to suggest Mr. Kennedy, but quite frankly I don't see that as being as likely to happen as MVP, due to KK being injury prone as hell. The casket match (or was it Last Ride match?) with Kennedy was one of the premiere bouts of 2006, and really shows what these two guys can do together.

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

taker already won a wrestlemania by d.q. vs giant gonzales('93)(i think)

a guy on another thread said they could have taker lose at 'mania by having him in a 2 out of 3 falls match an he could win the first an third match. so he wins the match, but he would have actually been pinned or whatever at wrestlemania.

that was me, i'm glad someone brought it up before i did again, but what do you think of that idea? Also i maintain that's how it should go down. Opponent gets the same rub for being the only guy to gain a fall over Taker, but Taker still wins.

Yes he did win by DQ but the point was that Taker should never lose by DQ at WM because it would be uber-retarded.

[DeadmanInc.]

Taker should never lose at WM. It isn't just because he's 16-0, it's the fact that his streak is 16 years long. It just seems like such a waste to throw it all away for a rising star that may not even be in the WWE as long as Taker has.

Who ever this rising star is could pull a Lesnar and ditch the WWE after a huge push. Then what? Undertaker's streak was just wasted for a guy who didn't even care about the business. Taker has been here for 18 years. That shows his devotion to the company. I highly doubt that any newer stars will be around as long as Taker has been so there is no one that should end the streak.

[TM]

Isn't his streak 17 years long?