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TheLoneCharles
06-05-2012, 09:43 AM
Honestly, Ryback is the main reason I watch Smackdown right now. When I was on my laptop bored through Raw, I jumped out of my seat when I saw Ryback was debuting on Raw.

Seriously what is there not to like? They guy is a friggin monster, totally believable, and it's oddly cathartic to watch him just beat the hell out of people.

Unfortunately, he is many past superstars rolled into one and the Ziggler and Rhodes lovers just can't get over that. He is Goldberg-esq with Rhyno's intensity and RVD style tights.

Thank God a few nerds pleasing themselves to thoughts of a Rhodes title run won't get their way: Ryback is getting over with the crowd and by the end of the year he is going to be in the main event.

Mustang Sally
06-05-2012, 10:26 AM
But Sally - how do you know he isn't really Jewish? His tights were tight but not tight enough to see that he was uncircumcised. I thought he could be.

He just didn't have that "Lost Tribe of Israel" look to him. Not like all the nice Yid boys I knew in high school. A "J.A.P." like myself can usually tell.

Besides, the guys from last night were identified as Kirby Mack and Stoney Hooker. Personally, I'm hoping Mr. Hooker played Arthur Rosenberg; it somehow seems appropriate.

George Steele's Barber
06-05-2012, 11:00 AM
He just didn't have that "Lost Tribe of Israel" look to him. Not like all the nice Yid boys I knew in high school. A "J.A.P." like myself can usually tell.

I can only imagine the look on your families' faces when you bring Drew McIntyre home for Cedar dinner.

And you're right, no Jewish grandmother would allow their bubula to have that repulsive facial hair.


Besides, the guys from last night were identified as Kirby Mack and Stoney Hooker. Personally, I'm hoping Mr. Hooker played Arthur Rosenberg; it somehow seems appropriate.

That's more wrestling-esc. I'm just really embarassed that they were introduced as being from a Chicago suburb.

Lionheart
06-05-2012, 11:18 AM
I personally enjoy Ryback. He is just the strong man act in the circus that WWE has become. I equate his matches to the weird attraction people have to watching those fail videos on Youtube where people attempt parkour and fall off roofs or douche bags run into glass doors. People just want to see morons take a big fall and Ryback believably makes it look like he is killing people.

It will be interesting to see how this translates into professional wrestling angles, but for now, it sure is fun to watch.

deanerandterry
06-05-2012, 11:28 AM
His over the topness makes me laugh to be honest. For some reason I'm liking the whole "FINISH HIM" and "FEED ME MORE!" catchphrases Ryback is using.

Sounds and looks like they are trying to make him the next Goldberg. With that said he's not a carbon copy and has some key differences to his personality that sets him apart from Goldberg. The guy is high impact, not exactly pretty but he is actually growing on me. Obviously he will eventually have to start fighting guys who are actually on the WWE roster. Right now what he's doing is fine, he is showing off his dominance and he actually stands apart from the roster which is always a good thing.

I'm wondering how he handles himself when he starts fighting the main roster and actually has a program with an established talent but watching Ryback plow through random rookies has been fun to watch. When he gorilla press slammed that one guy last night was pretty awesome to watch, and he has some pretty sweet moves in his arsenal. I'm not sure how long it will last but Ryback is a good way to kill 5-10 minutes of RAW a week.

I don't see him as a main eventer or anything but he brings a certain brand of entertainment to the table. Most importantly for myself the guy entertains me so as of right now I got nothing bad to say about Ryback. I can understand why some don't like him but for my taste I like him.

WhyTravisFelt
06-05-2012, 11:29 AM
I don't hate Ryback yet, but he hasn't done anything so far but throw around unknown wrestlers half his size, which is only impressive in the most superficial of terms. OP wanted to leave bias out of the argument, and that just doesn't make sense. I think bias definitely should be part of the conversation: Some people like monster gimmicks. Some people don't. People loved Goldberg despite the fact that, besides his winning streak, there was absolutely nothing interesting about Goldberg. Some people just like big, strong dudes no matter what. Some wrestling fans prefer character development, technical in-ring talent, mic skills and other factors.

I seriously doubt I'll end up liking Ryback, but I don't think I'll end up hating him as much as I hated Goldberg, because I don't see him rising to anywhere near the level of success. The crowd's only interest in Ryback seems to be just chanting "Goldberg" at him. If he does make it big, then good for him; it's not like I don't fast forward through half of Monday Night Raw anyway.

Aidg
06-05-2012, 11:37 AM
I don't get what the hate is about, like most have said he cant control who he faces and the only similarities I see he has with Goldberg are him being booked in a dominant way, sure his face may look slightly like Goldberg but that's not his fault. he wears a completely different attire to him. just because Goldberg came out and destroyed people doesnt mean no one else can't do it just my opinion.

Rich the UK WWE Fan
06-05-2012, 11:41 AM
I don't like Ryback, like Tensai he's just another generic "Wee! Look at me! I know 2 moves!" hoss who only ever squashes jobbers to make himself look hard and give Vince McMahon a hard on.

deanerandterry
06-05-2012, 11:48 AM
I don't like Ryback, like Tensai he's just another generic "Wee! Look at me! I know 2 moves!" hoss who only ever squashes jobbers to make himself look hard and give Vince McMahon a hard on.

Big difference between Tensai and Ryback. Ryback actually has some personality to his gimmick, Tensai doesn't. Ryback actually can bring some excitement to what he is doing in the ring, Tensai doesn't.

This is why Vince likes the guy and doesn't like Tensai. American Pro Wrestling isn't about how many moves you know its how you can take those moves, be entertaining and tell a story with them. That's why guys like Cena who have often been criticized about their 5 moves are better than your most technically sound wrestler. He may not use as much moves but he does more with 5 than most do with 1000.

The Dragon Saga
06-05-2012, 11:56 AM
Yeah, I totally hate Ryback, he totally sucks!

You know why he sucks? Because as a professional wrestling fan whenever a wrestler has something comparable to a wrestler of old, like say for this example, Goldberg, I must vindicate it or I'm not cool. God forbid I don't come across as "cool" to other fans of professional wrestling. I mean look at how many things he has in common with Bill. He is bald. He is big. He beats jobbers. He is undefeated. He likes his sandwiches without the crusts, instead of with.

Then lets take into account how much airtime he is wasting. Ryback wastes an entire five minutes every Friday night. I could take a piss, brush my teeth, get a bowl of cereal, eat that and then brush my teeth again, come back and Ryback would be finishing off these two unknown's. Instead I'm going to whine and complain about it because WWE fucking sucks cause they don't have any "attitude." Attitude 4 Lyf.

Beating unknowns is another reason I don't like him. I mean, come on, who are these guys? Stan Stansky? Who the fuck was Stan Stansky? What they should do is feed Ryback people we do know, sure that might gives people another reason to whine, bitch and complain about insignifcant things due to the fact they must always have a hatred for something on WWE television, God forbid they be satisfied with the product, but at least if he buries people we know instead of enhancement to get over the fact he is an absolute beast, we could make a list of the people hes beaten.

Oh and a new one I just got out of my ever growing brain, "he only has two moves," yeah, he only has two, the "Two Moves of Doom." He has his Powerbomb, Marching Samoan Suplex Slam and we'll just ignore the Big Boot, Fall Away Throw, Backpack Stunner and Running Lariat cause the amount of moves a wrestler has really decides if they can make the cut or not.

Yeah, I hate Ryback, that is why he's my signature.

boywithbluehanger
06-05-2012, 12:05 PM
You could call me simple because I like Ryback but I generally like visually believable tough guy character gimmicks. They're easier to buy into and overall more convincing. They're more about presence and letting their fighting do the talking. Think of all the past characters that worked for in the past. Goldberg, APA, Lesnar, Sheamus' first run, etc all played sizable tough guys who you could actually believe were people you wouldn't want to cross based on attitudes of real people we've seen.

Workrate
06-05-2012, 12:14 PM
I like Ryback. I can totally understand the comparisons to Goldberg, but at the same time, Goldberg debuted 15 years ago. He left the WWE -- what? -- eight years ago? I mean, at some point you have to let go of the past. Should I hate Ken Griffey Jr. because he plays the game too much like Willie Mays? Or is the bitterness because wrestling is scripted and so we want to blame the writers and developers for not being creative enough? Because, if you really think about it, the original blueprint for Goldberg wasn't all that creative either. Big, strong dude dominates everyone. That was it. If you aren't willing to let go of the characters that roamed the ring 15-20 years ago, you may as well stop watching altogether.

All that said, I'm curious where Ryback goes. Right now he's obviously just a circus attraction, annihilating jobbers and putting on feats of strength. I quite enjoyed the double suplexes and stuff like that, if only because it's something a little different. But eventually he's going to have to elevate and I'm starting to wonder if he'll get a concrete feud or if he'll just keep tearing through guys whose names we know. He could pummel guys like Ezekial Jackson and Drew McIntyre for weeks without carrying on a legitimate feud.

Big Nick Dudley
06-05-2012, 12:19 PM
If you don't like Ryback, you're dumb or you don't know much about him.

Watch some of his older matches, prior to his latest run. The guy can go. They're establishing him as a dominant guy right now. Eventually, he'll move on to actual competition.

Of course the IWC was going to hate this guy. He's big, athletic and looks like he's going to make some money. He's not a greasy, skinny-fat prick (I love Punk, too). He's already a more experienced wrestler than Goldberg, and could be better when it's all over with.

Stop whining and give Skip a chance. He's really good at what he does.

The Eighties
06-05-2012, 12:40 PM
They need to work out some of the goofier mannerisms but he executes his power moves really well and he has agility and a marketable look.

One of the things I find odd is they seem to be looking for the scrawniest jobbers possible and then try to sell him throwing these string-beans around as amazing feats of strength, almost like an in-joke.

At any rate the word seems to be that Vince unsurprisingly likes him and I am interested to see how he develops over the rest of the year.

Uncle Sam
06-05-2012, 12:50 PM
The majority of what I've read about Ryback has actually been complimentary. I don't know - maybe they were being ironic. Fucking internet hipsters.

I'm intrigued to see what he can do when he stops just squashing guys. He's a freak of nature and everything he does looks painful with a side of agonizing. I'll not hold anything against him just because he's not Harley Race and El Canek's love child. I've not seen anything of him outside of WWE - I remember him dropping Mark Henry (I think) with a clothesline, which was pretty impressive - and so the proof that this guy is for real will be when they take the leash off and let him show off what he can do on guys that don't weigh, well, as much as I do. 'Real' matches and 'real' feuds, that's what I'm looking forward to.

Until then, I'll remain optimistic.

gasM
06-05-2012, 12:55 PM
A common complaint on here is the lack of a fued for Ryback to show off his selling, work on his promos, and develop an actual character.

The character of "Tensai" had flopped in WWE. No real fueds, random appearances, and now a momentum-halting loss to John Cena has taken his situation from bad to worse, as no matter how WWE try to re-tool him, he just isn't connecting with the audience - or at least no more than he did when he debuted.

So do you think these two should feud against one another?

I do. Ryback looks great, and he desperately needs to be on the underdog side in order to show some vulnerability, so that if and when he overcomes his opponent, it pleases the crowd and gains some affection for him.

This is how I'd do it:

Have The Miz call Ryback out on Raw. Have him cut a promo saying he's the number one star in WWE and he can beat anyone, even the unbeatable Ryback. You could even have Miz pick up several count-out victories when Ryback doesn't show up, as he's a SmackDown guy (I know this kind of contradicts the SuperShow concept, but it avoids over-exposing Ryback on two shows).

Then, Ryback vs Miz is advertised as finally happening, maybe even at a PPV. Ryback is waiting for Miz when he appears on the ramp with a mic - "I don't need to face Ryback, I already beat him several times" etc. Then JL comes out and makes it a No countout, no DQ match "In the name of People Power". This gets the crowd behind Ryback and eagerly anticipating seeing Miz get his ass well and truly handed to him.

The match is Ryback's most competitive to date, but he is still by far the most dominant party. He's shouting "Finish him!", Miz is in trouble...when Tensai's music hits. He and Sakamoto appear on the ramp, but don't come any closer. This gives Miz the opportunity to hit Ryback with a chair from behind and pin him to win, giving him something to brag about, building heat for Tensai and sympathy for Ryback.

Then have Tensai attempt to take Ryback down, but a furious Ryback picks up the chair, and Sakamoto drags an angry Tensai away.

Over the next few weeks, have Tensai and Ryback exchange staredowns and try to ambush each other, but NO PHYSICAL CONTACT. (If you need a motive, have Tensai targeting Ryback to prove he's the big bad man and Cena's win was a fluke). The match is made for a PPV and it truly is a mystery as to who will win, with both being booked as unstoppable and ready to fight each other ASAP. Then at the last show before the PPV, I'd have Tensai surprise Ryback with green mist and that nasty clawhold slam, giving him an edge right before the PPV and hyping him as an insurmountable task for Ryback.

Then I'd have Ryback go over after a tough match, or Tensai cheat somehow, depending on the success of the angle and if it gets over with the audience.

In my opinion, this would build Tensai back up as a monster heel, progress Ryback's character and get him over as a face, provide an interesting and unique angle, AND give Miz something significant to do and an achievement to brag about.

Thought's on my armchair booking? Do you think Tensai-Ryback would sell? And if you could book it, how would you book it?

3:16
06-05-2012, 01:05 PM
I mean i like ryback. Sure he is beating up jobbers and reminds me of a Goldberg on overdrive but I think he fits in with today's style. Someone who can get the crowd hyped and on their feet. Someone who can come to the ring and entertain people. I am pretty sure that they will start developing him more and putting him in matches with notable people in a couple of months.

R.K.O
06-05-2012, 01:32 PM
I'm okay with Ryback at the moment, he has a great look, his matches are entertaining and his moveset is pretty good. But I hope he gets several tweaks in the coming weeks because beating unknowns get old really fast.

I find his lifting arm taunt and shouting really cheeky. His intense look at the entrance ramp is really good but all the lifting arm and shouting make him look like a joke. I mean, "Finish Him" really? How are we suppose to take a guy that uses a Mortal Kombat phrase seriously?

Also, from what I've heard about the Ryback gimmick it's supposed to be a terminator type character. His current goofy antics is far from what I imaged the character would be. He would be better off looking like an unstoppable machine if he's going with the gimmick.

Lastly, not that important yet, will be his entrance music. His current music sound too much like a generic jobber music. One of the most important aspect in Goldberg would be his war music as it pumps everyone up when it starts playing. If WWE is serious about making him their Goldberg they better find one that suits him.

Killjoy
06-05-2012, 01:47 PM
Hate? Ryback? Why? It's not his fault WWE wants to make him literally a Goldberg look-a-like. My question is how is he still flatlining people while freakin' Prince Albert is messing around with John Cena? The only thing people want out of Ryback is a feud. Why not do that?

Workrate
06-05-2012, 02:21 PM
They need to work out some of the goofier mannerisms

I will say that I hate that thing he does where he lifts a single arm, then the other, then both. He looks like some kind of weird wind up action figure.

willross
06-05-2012, 03:27 PM
Contradicting the SuperShow concept kills the feud immediately.

Tensai and Ryback won't sell because Tensai and Cena doesn't sell. Do you think Ryback sells tickets and PPV buys better than Cena?

I wouldn't book Tensai against Ryback. Ryback's should not have a feud until he is ready for the champ. Just let him run over the roster for a year, put over a heel champion who seemingly can't be beat at the same time and make their meeting inevitable. Straight out of the Goldberg handbook except you announce a month in advance and put it on PPV, rather than 4 days in advance and put it on free TV.

WrestlingGod101
06-05-2012, 03:39 PM
willross
Ryback's should not have a feud until he is ready for the champ. Just let him run over the roster for a year, put over a heel champion who seemingly can't be beat at the same time and make their meeting inevitable. Straight out of the Goldberg handbook except you announce a month in advance and put it on PPV, rather than 4 days in advance and put it on free TV.




I like this idea but if it was me i would have Ryback win it on Raw like Goldberg did on Nitro and I would keep it a surprise i would make the heel champion go out the cut a promo saying he will defend the title right now against anybody nobody can beat him wait for it wait for it then have Ryback music hit (Heel Cena as champ for a year) this would be epic Ryback destory Cena 1-2-3 new champion new champion

Jack-Hammer
06-05-2012, 05:54 PM
Most of the complaints I've read about Ryback, in my view, are just your standard IWC bitching about anything and everything.

I'm not saying that Ryback is great or anything, the jury is still out for me until we actually do get him into feuds & matches beyond the squash matches. However, Ryback's doing just fine in his current role thus far. Sure it's a Goldberg inspired character, but so what. He's got the size, he's got the look, he's got the intensity and the strength to pull it off. To top it off, he continues to get good responses. Last night, if I'm not mistaken, was his first time on Raw since debuting as Ryback and fans were popping, ooohing & aaahing as he was showing off by decimating those two jobbers. The live crowd liked it and Ryback does look impressive. I do think it's time that we see more from him, however.

As far as a feud with Tensai goes, I could see the feud as a means of just further getting Ryback over. I don't think it should be a lengthy feud, maybe just a few matches. It would be a good start to Ryback as it would give him a program against someone that has been booked to be a dominant guy for a while. Tensai does hold wins over Cena & CM Punk after all. Tensai could be Ryback's first real match and winning in a dominant fashion will push him further along.

At the same time, I don't think there'd be much interest in this feud. Tensai just isn't getting over and I have a feeling he's already heading down the same road as Umaga did. What that means is that he's started out strong and dominant, but he isn't getting over so his push is probably going to be stopped and he'll be jobbed out to the top guys before being relegated to Superstars or the character is dropped altogether.

Headman
06-05-2012, 06:08 PM
Hate is a strong word. It would be more fair to say I just don't care about him. Squashing midgets is not impressive. Having a name that sounds like some kind of bread isn't cool. Add in the fact that the way he's being pushed is exactly what WCW did with Goldberg and that = zZzzZZzzZZzzZZZ.

silrock316
06-05-2012, 06:36 PM
Seriously, all I'm seeing from the IWC is hate on Ryback. What exactly is "wrong" with him? Are you all mad he keeps getting compared to Goldberg? Because seriously, even though VKM thinks he could be WWE's Goldberg, who the hell says he can't be? It's be over a decade since Goldberg was at the height of his push....since then we haven't had "an unstoppable force" such as him. You do realize how hard it actually is to make intriguing storylines after all these years? Or how hard it is to find guys like Ryback who have the potential. We've seen Ryback in all these squash matches, the jobbers MAKE Ryback look like a beast. Tell me you don't cringe a little and think to yourself, ok yeah that would probably hurt. Ryback is great at what he does and has the potential to be Goldberg 2.0. You may not like it, but I guarantee in a year or so he'll be over, he'll be pushed, and if VKM is serious, he WILL be the WWE's version of Goldberg. Ryback is not bad at all, you're all hating because you're all still stuck in the Attitude Era. My question to you guys is for any SENSIBLE fan here to tell me what exactly is wrong with Ryback. I don't want blatant biased hate, just logical reasoning. Seriously from what I've seen, he's a beast, and he will be around for awhile granted he doesn't mess up backstage.

this topic bothers me SO much because Ryback reminds me NOTHING of Goldberg. As a part of the 'IWC' i dislike the fact that many members are not buying into him because Ryback has a bald head. If he had hair no one would mention Goldberg.

For me he is making a nice name for himself. As a 25 year fan of wrestling, not much excites me like it did when i was younger but i find myself pumped up for him.

Also, though it maybe a small sign but most times when a wrestler gets repackaged if they are no good, fans wont let him forget his original character but he is CLEARLY Ryback now and not Skip and to me thats a small big deal. In the world of around the horn and buy or sell... i buy Ryback as a stud who isnt a Goldberg ripoff.

Notorious718
06-05-2012, 07:12 PM
I don't think the hate on Ryback is that he sucks so much as it is that people are impatient and want to see him move on to some real competition and to some extent, I get that. But look at what's happening to Tensai. He was pushed to the moon upon his return to WWE TV and now it looks like he's about to fizzle out. Too much too soon. WWE isn't doing anything wrong with Ryback. He's being built up as a dominant, unstoppable force and I'm honestly getting some enjoyment out of his recent matches (something I don't say about jobber matches often if ever). Give it some damn time, people. He'll soon be facing some real competition and being put in real feuds.

alberts35
06-05-2012, 07:31 PM
I don't think the hate on Ryback is that he sucks so much as it is that people are impatient and want to see him move on to some real competition and to some extent, I get that. But look at what's happening to Tensai. He was pushed to the moon upon his return to WWE TV and now it looks like he's about to fizzle out. Too much too soon. WWE isn't doing anything wrong with Ryback. He's being built up as a dominant, unstoppable force and I'm honestly getting some enjoyment out of his recent matches (something I don't say about jobber matches often if ever). Give it some damn time, people. He'll soon be facing some real competition and being put in real feuds.

This is fine, and what you said about Tensai is correct, among a number of other problems with him. What is getting stupid with Ryback is:

1. his yelling and screaming after the match as if he did something terrific....Santino could beat the same people he is beating.

2. fans saying how amazingly awesome and dominant Ryback is because is crushing these losers. He may go out and crush established guys, and then he would be awesome. Nothing he does against these jobbers is awesome, and its making the homer fans look like fools

PowerHouse
06-05-2012, 08:04 PM
I don't think Ryback is acting as if he has done something, anything spectacular he simply wants to be fed more competitiion. He destroys whoever is in the ring with him FINISHES them and asks to be fed more. I think the hate on him is stupid. How can you hate a guy they are pushing slowly and trying to build up the right way. If they shoved him down your throat as a monster beating top guys whom people didnt think he should be beating you same people would hate him for that. Let the WWE push him slowly and hold your opinions on him until he is put in an actual storyline and or angle.

Heartbreak_Kid_707
06-05-2012, 08:06 PM
My opinion on this monster is AWSOME....i was a skipp Shefield fan when ther whole Nexus thing was goin on. I dont wath smackdown much and Monday was my first time seeing Ryback. I wasnt sure that was Shefield but was 99% sure it was. How in the world did he get so HUGE?? he wasnt that big before he got hurt. If he can get past all these squashes before fizzling out i can see big things for him. Being compared to Goldberg isnt a bad thing. I mean Goldberg was the "it: thing then so if your gonna be compared to someome why not the best??

uguess94
06-05-2012, 08:09 PM
This is how I'd do it:

Have The Miz call Ryback out on Raw. Have him cut a promo saying he's the number one star in WWE and he can beat anyone, even the unbeatable Ryback. You could even have Miz pick up several count-out victories when Ryback doesn't show up, as he's a SmackDown guy (I know this kind of contradicts the SuperShow concept, but it avoids over-exposing Ryback on two shows).

Then, Ryback vs Miz is advertised as finally happening, maybe even at a PPV. Ryback is waiting for Miz when he appears on the ramp with a mic - "I don't need to face Ryback, I already beat him several times" etc. Then JL comes out and makes it a No countout, no DQ match "In the name of People Power". This gets the crowd behind Ryback and eagerly anticipating seeing Miz get his ass well and truly handed to him.



First off.......SEVERAL TIMES! WHAT! Are you drinking? You want 7 weeks of RAW TV Time to be wasted on Miz coming out for no apparent reason except to feed his own ego about how he can beat Ryback. And if you know what you said contradicts the SuperShow concept, why would you suggest it? That's the whole point of the show to have SmackDown! stars on RAW also. Its a good idea but just very poorly booked.

2nd- we don't even know if Ryback is a Heel or Face right now. We need more of him.

3rd- What does Tensai have to do with any of this, your making no sense and just putting random superstars in a feud that had no real meaning in the first place. You want these two guys that get laughed at by the live crowd 90% with them getting the chants of ALBERT or GOLDBERG, to be time to be put in a feud with each other? Yeah that will get TV ratings up.

4th- We have no idea whats even gonna happen to JL next Monday. Just because there are no reports on it right now doesn't mean WWE cant throw us a curve ball and put Flair in the GM spot next week (or is that to unbelievable because The Great Justin LaBar said he was gonna manage Dolph Ziggler).

Bottom Line --- We are all excited for Ryback and the potential he has. We all want The Miz to be treated like the star he is. But WWE isn't going to do any of this.

But hey while were at it why don't we book Ryback to go undefeated til the Rumble then for no reason Undertaker comes out and says fight me at Mania, Ryback with that deranged look in his eyes says nothing leaving us clueless until Mania night then Ryback comes out and so does Taker and JL comes out and says its a no DQ match in the name of People Power and then Kevin Nash comes out, attacks Ryback while Undertaker is laid out. Then we can have Khali come out and fuck up Taker some more. THEN to finish this magically booked match, we can have Bobby Lashley, Batista, Goldberg, Viscera, Mark Henry, Kane, Big Show, Tensai, the Full Blooded Italians, bWo, Sabu, RVD, Dean Ambrose (the new Pillman according to the almighty LaBar), Brodie Lee, hell even Mordecai can get on this because its just so fuckin awesome, all of them come out and start doing the YMCA on the stage, the lights then go black and when they turn back on all the guys on stage are laid out, Undetaker is gone, and Ryback is in street clothes in the middle of the ring with a Rainbow colored wig on holding the WWE Championship. NOW THATS HOW YOU BOOK A MATCH, STATEN ISLAND STYLE BABYYYY.

The Dragon Saga
06-05-2012, 08:12 PM
This is fine, and what you said about Tensai is correct, among a number of other problems with him. What is getting stupid with Ryback is:

1. his yelling and screaming after the match as if he did something terrific....Santino could beat the same people he is beating.

He isn't yelling. He is in WWE terms, "sending a message." It's more taunting, plus he is screaming "Feed Me More", not exactly, "Yay, I won, I'm the best, look at me, go on an Internet wrestling forum and bitch, yay." It is establishing the character, its been done by way of defeating jobbers for years-upon-years now.

2. fans saying how amazingly awesome and dominant Ryback is because is crushing these losers. He may go out and crush established guys, and then he would be awesome. Nothing he does against these jobbers is awesome, and its making the homer fans look like fools

No, it is pretty awesome and dominant, plus pretty entertaining. I actually feel like watching Ryback dismantle two nobodies into dust instead of watching a Zack Ryder promo or Drew McIntyre attempt to act charismatic cause he can smile now. If Ryback destroyed established guys instantly, from the outset, that'd give idiots another reason to whine. "Why is he beating [Insert Name Here] when that guy has been around longer than he has and never gotten a chance." What Ryback beating jobbers does, is make him look dominant, get him exposure and get people talking about him.

Low and behold, you've posted in a thread where people are discussing Ryback, job done. And as for the final line, as someone who enjoys Ryback, I'm more partial to technical wrestlers, like Bryan, Punk, Kidd, Aries and Steen. But Ryback is just beyond awesome, and unless you're deaf, he is getting pops so it's working.

BearJew13
06-05-2012, 08:27 PM
you know this is exactly what The Miz did to John Cena a few years ago, right? Miz kept coming out saying that he wanted matches with Cena but he never came out and declared himself the winner. then they had a match at The Bash i believe where John Cena put down Miz.
the problem with your story is that it
1. contradicts the "SuperShow"
2. JL would never perform such a face-ish move as to feed a hated talent as Miz to a face in Ryback
3. Tensai (before Brodus Clay) had been wrestling Miz, why would he all of a sudden help him?
4. This isn't something "significant" for Miz. its significant for Ryback and kind of Tensai but not Miz.
I like the idea but theres just a lot of flaws with it.

JaylisJayP
06-05-2012, 08:55 PM
If you don't like Ryback, you're dumb or you don't know much about him.

Watch some of his older matches, prior to his latest run. The guy can go. They're establishing him as a dominant guy right now. Eventually, he'll move on to actual competition.

Of course the IWC was going to hate this guy. He's big, athletic and looks like he's going to make some money. He's not a greasy, skinny-fat prick (I love Punk, too). He's already a more experienced wrestler than Goldberg, and could be better when it's all over with.

Stop whining and give Skip a chance. He's really good at what he does.

I like Ryback, but is putting him against 180-lb jobbers week in and week out really "establishing" him? People aren't that dumb (for the most part). Wake me up when he's in a real feud with someone.

I remember back when Carlito debuted, they put him right up against Cena (and stabbed him, lol, I think). He wasn't a known or established guy coming in from WCW like Jericho or anyone.

Brodus Clay, man he's had to overcome a lot. He still hasn't been given a REAL one-on-one feud. Are they even planning on ever using him in his current format for that?

No, what do they do? The push Albert. Brilliant.

Enough with the stupid squash matches. It's a waste of time. Unfortunately, with an extra hour of Raw coming, I fear we're going to see much more of this type of programming. No thought, no creative effort, no angle. They can get the message across with 2 weeks of squash matches, not over 2-3 months. Put the guy in a feud or move on. I DVR through Ryback's TV time now because it's the same damn thing I saw last week.

Waste.

And saying you enjoy watching him destroy jobbers is like saying you'd love to watch a bear rip apart a couple bunny rabbits in the forest for sport. Stupid mismatch doesn't make him dominant. Does anyone doubt the guy can lift 360 pounds? It's not that impressive. Not that I'm against rabbit murder, let's make that clear...

gasM
06-05-2012, 09:02 PM
"First off.......SEVERAL TIMES! WHAT! Are you drinking?"

No.

"You want 7 weeks of RAW TV Time to be wasted on Miz coming out for no apparent reason except to feed his own ego about how he can beat Ryback."

Where did you get 7 weeks from, sir?
Perhaps you've been drinking. And Miz (as somebody already pulled me up on) did this to Cena in the past and it got him heat. I'm not saying Ryback is anywhere near Cena's level, just that it's a proven way to get Miz heat. Better than a dance-off with Brodus Clay, anyway.

" And if you know what you said contradicts the SuperShow concept, why would you suggest it? That's the whole point of the show to have SmackDown! stars on RAW also."

A valid point. But superstars are still brand-exclusive to a certain extent, and it provides a logical reason for him not showing up.

"Its a good idea but just very poorly booked"

Unlike most of this reply, you've addressed the validity of my example and given constructive feedback, rather than nitpick at small flaws and compare him to Goldberg. Thank you for that.

"2nd- we don't even know if Ryback is a Heel or Face right now. We need more of him."

Can't argue with that. My example solidifies him as a face, but he'd work just as well as a heel.

"3rd- What does Tensai have to do with any of this, your making no sense and just putting random superstars in a feud that had no real meaning in the first place. "

I gave a motive for Tensai to go after Ryback - he's trying to re-establish himself as the big bad man in WWE after a loss to Cena. The meaning of the feud is Tensai targeting Ryback for this reason and Ryback proving he can do the business against a legit opponent.

"You want these two guys that get laughed at by the live crowd 90% with them getting the chants of ALBERT or GOLDBERG, to be time to be put in a feud with each other? Yeah that will get TV ratings up"

An earlier poster mentioned what a great reaction Ryback got from the crowd tonight. The Miz's involvement was designed to get the crowd even further behind Ryback. And then when Tensai targets him, that gets him heat by association. Basic wrestling booking technique. Plus I'm not saying that this would main event RAW every week - it would take 15 minutes maximum per segment. The beauty of my version is it shouldn't be bad enough to decrease the ratings, and it's low enough in the card to detract from the ratings-grabbing main events.
I assume it would be petty and small of me to attack your grammar here as well, so I won't.

"4th- We have no idea whats even gonna happen to JL next Monday. Just because there are no reports on it right now doesn't mean WWE cant throw us a curve ball and put Flair in the GM spot next week (or is that to unbelievable because The Great Justin LaBar said he was gonna manage Dolph Ziggler)"

You are right here - although unlikely considering he's quite over as a heel right now, JL could indeed be gone after next Monday.

I suppose my post offended you so much you cancelled all the events in your busy social calendar, called up Scott Steiner and roided up with him, then concocted that wonderful response at the bottom of your post. Simply brilliant.


I asked in my original post if you felt the angle would get over, opinions on my example version, and versions of your own.

Some posters have done exactly that, but it's small wonder internet using wrestling fans have such a bad reputation when you read some of the mindless hatred spewing from some people on here. If my example is illogical, please call me on it. If you think your version is better, please share it. Or if you don't think the angle would work, tell me why. But don't just rant and rave - it helps nobody.

The 1-2-3 Killam
06-05-2012, 09:15 PM
I like Ryback. I think he can keep chugging along, being fed jobbers week after week, and generally be just fine. He gets a better reaction than Tensei -- which is to say, he gets a reaction -- and with his current place on the roster he's sort of just there. That's not a bad thing in his case. He takes up minimal time, provides me moderate amounts of entertainment, and is picking up steam with each outing. Too many mediocre stars take up WAY too much screen time trying (and failing) to cut promos or build up their vanilla character. Ryback is a simple concept that you really can't fuck up, unless you do stupid things like throw him against John Cena within a few months of his re-debut. Let him make slow progress, eventually moving up to digest under-card talents instead of local jobbers. In a few months, if he hasn't fallen back into the black hole of Superstars, give him a short feud with somebody like the Miz. Maybe even give him the United States or Intercontinental Championship. Eventually, because you're going to have to run a legitimacy program against somebody his size or bigger, throw him into a feud with the Big Show, Kane, or Mark Henry.

It's not difficult. It may be slow and arduos, but I guarantee you that most people who like him, only like him so much. For instance, I'm a fan of his. I like watching him utterly DESTROY the people he's in the ring with. It's fun. His "FEED ME MORE!" line is lame and cliche, but it works. And when he's beating up people I have literally NO emotional investment in, it allows me to just sit back and enjoy the carnage. The minute you strap him in against somebody like John Cena or Randy Orton you start weighing the options and trying to make booking decisions in your mind that you're not qualified to make. THings like "is it bad for business to have him go over Cena?" or "What happens if he does beat Cena? What next?" That's not our job as fans, but too often the WWE rushes in and out of things so fast that we're left with no substance or direction. So we fill our need for quality entertainment by making up our own minds; that's dangerous and usually doesn't lead to anything but unhappiness for the fans.

crippler
06-05-2012, 09:22 PM
Personally I like Ryback his wrestling jobbers is kinda getting old its time to let him start beating guys like JTG and others that only wrestle on superstars and NXT build him up give him a feud with someone like a Jack Swaggar that he can get over with and look decent doing it.

The Ghost of Benoit
06-05-2012, 09:47 PM
Its really hard to take this guy seriously. He is way over the top with his antics, the marching, saying "feed me more". And it doesnt help that he has a goofy looking face. Goldberg was intimidating, when I look at this guy I just want to laugh. There really isnt anything special about him.

And we have seen guys like Umaga, Big Daddy V, Great Khali etc, look dominant and they were quickly buried after their first loss. So what makes us think that the same wont happen to Ryback? Why should we care?

Arcade
06-05-2012, 10:13 PM
Its really hard to take this guy seriously. He is way over the top with his antics, the marching, saying "feed me more". And it doesnt help that he has a goofy looking face. Goldberg was intimidating, when I look at this guy I just want to laugh. There really isnt anything special about him.

And we have seen guys like Umaga, Big Daddy V, Great Khali etc, look dominant and they were quickly buried after their first loss. So what makes us think that the same wont happen to Ryback? Why should we care?

Ryback's ring skills are pretty much better that all of wrestlers you've listed, maybe except for Umaga, but we haven't seen Ryback in anything but squash matches, so it's really hard to make a judgment saying that he will end up just like Khali, Big Daddy V, Tensai Zeke, etc... Usually Ryback wouldn't be grouped with super heavyweights like Umaga, Khali, and Big Daddy V. About 10 years ago, there was a whole group of guys jacked up weighting about 290 pounds, but times have changed, and Ryback is now classified as a super heavyweight.

TheNickster
06-05-2012, 10:33 PM
I really don't have much of a problem with Ryback. He brings something new moves to the table almost every week, and he's just a beast. He's one of the most intimidating wrestlers on Smackdown, and is in great shape.

I like watching him squash jobbers, but yeah, like other people I want to see him to start elevating his competition soon. Take on people other than local competitors, like actual roster members, but I'm glad they are gradually building him up like they have been with Clay.

A Ryback match is better than a Divas match, and more entertaining than a pointless Laurinitis/Otunga/Eve segment.

I hope that Ryback gets involved in a feud with a decent/popular mid-carder like Ziggler or Swagger. I'd watch that.

Pedigree1
06-06-2012, 12:31 AM
Its no secret that Mcmahon is high on ryback right now!! Ryback is ultra cool in my opinion and a force to be reckoned with! Sure his squash matches are exciting but im waiting for a real feud to get going. Tensai is considered a flop so to me that is out of the question for right now. Miz on the other hand would be a good feud to get going for Ryback.

Ryback is better than goldberg he is more intimidating IMO than old bill was.. I believe the jury is still out on Ryback but he is getting positive reviews and the crowd loves him. You dont hear them chant skip sheffield u hear RYBACK RYBACK that speaks volumes to me.

PowerHouse
06-07-2012, 11:53 PM
I don't understand the dislike for Ryback by some people. The guy is a monster!!!!! He is an awesome worker for a guy his size. Much better than Goldberg or Batista ever were. Better than Crimson is over on TNA. Ryback is just being moved along slowly. This guy has Vince behind him!!!!! Vince loves him!!!!! With then knowing Lesnar isn't gonna stick around and Mason Ryan just not being that good in the ring. Ryback aka Skip is the next Brock Lesnar/ Goldberg archtype monster that Vince is getting behind. I personally like the feed me more quote. I like the moveset. I like the no nonsense approach to the ring. If they want him to dominate 2 180 jobbers on Raw and Smackdown for a little while so be it. I personally like watching it. It's more fun watching Ryback squash 2 jobbers than it is watching Miz do anything. I simply can not stand the Miz. He was the worst WWE champion I have ever seen. Its a joke that and IMO hurt the validity of the WWE championship giving him a title reign which also IMO is the reason they gave the title to CM Punk. Cause they knew CM Punk could bring value back to the WWE title with his in ring work. He may not be a big guy but CM Punk has a limited martial arts backround which makes him a legit champion. He is good on the mic and doesn't call himself Awesome. The Miz hurt the WWE title and the WWE has been trying to build it back up since. Having Miz go over Cena at WM 2 years ago was a TERRIBLE decision. Now they are Building up Ryabck who at some point will win the WWE title. But just like the Title he needs to be built up befor that can happen.

I am Mr. Excitement
06-12-2012, 03:10 AM
Who do u think will be in Ryback's first real fued. I mean c'mon right now hes just establishing himself as an ass kicker. But hopefully soon he can actually have a fued because we havent even heard him talk on the mic yet. I think a fued with Cody Rhodes or Big Show or someone like that. He has the potential to be a bad ass Goldberg type thing. And im just gonna throw this out there if Ryback climbs the ladder fastly I wouldn't be surprised if we got a Ryback vs Brock Fued into WM or after if he signs.
SO what do you think a good fued for Ryback would be? Against who?
Discuss. Explain. Etc..

Little Shadow
06-12-2012, 03:37 AM
I would think he would feud with someone like Khali, It would be interesting to see him destroy Khali as well as give Ryback someone who is "established" but not to relevant.

Str8Edge
06-12-2012, 03:57 AM
I want Ryback to fight people more his size and power like Kane, Big Show, Brodus, Tensai, Ezekiel, Khali, Mark Henry (when he returns), Mason Ryan or heck even Swagger.

Even though he's a direct rip off of Goldberg I really like the guy and think he has potential. He's not just another slow meat head. The guy is pretty quick on his feet. But with that said, if he can beat said guys mentioned above, he can establish himself as a more dominant wrestler and be taken more seriously. Squash matches are doing nothing for him at the moment.

I think a feud with Mark Henry would be cool though, especially if it's the Henry that he was during his reign. Kane would be interesting too.

ProWrestlingFan
06-12-2012, 05:03 AM
Ryback and Brodus Clay should fued with Cena and Big Show.

Then have a Tag-team match with the stipulation of "Loser Team Leaves WWE" match in which Ryback and Brodus Clay lose and they are released.

trashboy
06-12-2012, 05:12 AM
They need to start feeding Ryback some guys that can actually put up a fight. I have never liked these squash type matches. Heck, even i could beat up the guys that Ryback has been destroying every week. They've all been scrawny little punks. Throw Ezekial Jackson out there or something and let Ryback run over him.

I'm not one to cry and moan about a finisher not being realistic or whatever like some people do. But I think Ryback needs a new finisher. Give him something tougher, hell, I say give him that Backpack Stunner he uses as a finisher. What he's doing now is just a Samoan Drop and most wrestlers do that as a regular move.

bonded_by_bud
06-12-2012, 05:25 AM
They need to start feeding Ryback some guys that can actually put up a fight. I have never liked these squash type matches. Heck, even i could beat up the guys that Ryback has been destroying every week. They've all been scrawny little punks. Throw Ezekial Jackson out there or something and let Ryback run over him.

I'm not one to cry and moan about a finisher not being realistic or whatever like some people do. But I think Ryback needs a new finisher. Give him something tougher, hell, I say give him that Backpack Stunner he uses as a finisher. What he's doing now is just a Samoan Drop and most wrestlers do that as a regular move.

Actually his finisher is not a Samoan Drop he calls it the Shellshock and it is actually a fisherman suplex buster. Although when he performs it with two guys it does come off looking like a Samoan Drop. If you watch his first few matches when he only faced a single wrestler you can very plainly see it is far different from a Samoan Drop. As for his first feud I think Cody Rhodes, Hunico or even a returning Ted Dibiase would be a great start. Once he builds a following and starts gaining credibility I think feuds with The Miz, Tensai, and Mark Henry would bring him to the next level. They need to start having him squash actual wrestlers, if I remember correctly he has only beaten Slater and Bateman outside of the indy jobbers they feed him every week. Vince seems to be very high on Mr. Reeves so I don't see him fading away anytime soon. Oh and you spelled feud wrong lol.

rge2010
06-12-2012, 07:56 AM
I like the fact he is beating Jobbers every week. It is slowly building him up and allowing him to become relevant. Its one of my favourite staples now in every show! I believe WWE have big plans for the guy...

When the jobber thing gets old, maybe in a month or so starting 'feeding' him the lower card. Hunico, Hawkins, Mcintyre....then I would start giving him bigger opposition like Ezekiel Jackson and Mason Ryan. After he beats these have Mark Henry run out from behind and beat him down setting up a match at Summerslam to really get Ryback over.

Mark Henry gets my vote.

Ryberg
06-12-2012, 08:28 AM
Goldberg's (Ryback) first feud should be Mark Henry or Big Show. I think either of those two heavy weights will put Ryback on the map. I'd love to see him destroy Ziggler but that's more fantasy, not reality.

But I don't get how WWE can take him seriously. The crowd yells Goldberg during his entire match each week. They need to SERIOUSLY fix that and should have him act and look less like Goldberg.

gasM
06-12-2012, 08:47 AM
I made a thread about how a feud with Tensai could be interesting, but it got merged with the General Ryback discussion thread. Way to go, moderators!
I think a feud with another monster could be interesting. Someone who doesn't look like they could possibly be dominated - like the Brock Lesnar - Goldberg feud (but, y'know...not shit.)
Of course, Tensai wouldn't work now his aura has been shattered by two consecutive losses. A returning, rampaging Mark Henry could fit the bill perfectly.

Sexcellence of Sexecution
06-12-2012, 09:01 AM
Since Ryback seems to like fighting 2 guys, why do you have him make his way through the Tag division and eventually win the Tag-Team Titles. The GM or whatever could make a rule change allowing Ryback to compete for the Tag-Team Titles on his own, call it the "Ryback Rule". He would be first the first solo guy to carry and defend the Tag Titles on a regular basis (at least to my knowledge).

For those of you who say this will weaken the prestige of the Tag Titles... first of all what prestige? Second of all, at least it would do something different and interesting with the Titles that people would take notice of. I personally think it would be hilarious to see some guy walking around carrying both Tag-Team belts screaming "FEED ME MORE".

MikeJames
06-12-2012, 09:01 AM
I made a thread about how a feud with Tensai could be interesting,

This feud would be great is they played it right........I mean, they have long matches, beat the hell out of each other for long periods of time and build each other up. It could probably turn into one of the greatest feuds of all time. I know, give me crap for saying that with where they are now, but these two big guys could probably give a hell of a show. Have them talk a lot of crap back and forth, just go ballz out. No pansy ass stuff, just hard hitting all the way for a few months and build it up to either summer slam or a later ppv. Big guy on big guy is cool if done right, big guy on little guy.........BORING.......

ScottishBlood
06-12-2012, 09:27 AM
Im actualy a big fan of this guys although he is needing more than just the jobbers to beat every week
why not even have him run out in lower card or midcard matches jsut to destroy the 2 ?
he is going about shouting feed me more and gettin fed CRAP weekly
have him go out and pick his own to beat up and eventualy feud with 1 of the talent he took out
the crowd chanting Goldberg doesnt bother me infact it shows they also see something in this guy as a bad ass in the ring .. hell better than chanting gilberg...

have him feud with mason ryan once he gets any better in the ring and develop into a mutual respect the become a team .... maybe vicky scouts them in

BUT no more jobbers is always a plus

Irig
06-12-2012, 09:54 AM
Swagger is single now w/o Dolph so IMO Vikie should get Ryback to be his tag team partner. They should go on and win some matches as a team. After that due to over influence of Vikie they broke up and his first feud will be w/swagger . I'll go this way as he'll get some kind of establishment with the crowd.

neildittmar
06-12-2012, 10:09 AM
Today, right now... Lesnar would be too much, too soon. Khali would be a good opponent as a one-off I think. There isn't too much of a feud to build there, as has been the case with nearly everyone put up against Khali. They just don't come off well in my opinion. Khali should be a stepping stone for Ryback, not a breakout.

Ezekiel Jackson is the name that comes to mind when I think first big feud for Ryback. Ryback is a big powerful guy... so is Jackson. Both have made a WWE career out of shoving guys around and battering them with power moves. Either would conceivably have a difficult time doing that to the other. It makes for an intriguing matchup from that standpoint. Storyline going in is simple, but effective. Ryback has been destroying guys half his size for a month or more... Jackson contends that Ryback only looks invincible because of that fact. Big Zeke challenges him to try pushing him around like that. Ryback is more than up for the challenge.

I don't see Ryback/Jackson as a long feud... maybe a month or two into the following PPV with a hard earned, yet clear-cut win for Ryback. Jackson is put there to show that when up against better competition, Ryback can pull something off and get the job done... even if his opponent rivals his power aresenal. It would serve as Ryback's entry into the mid-card scene, setting up some better/tougher matches and leading to a mid-card title shot/run in the near future.

The Fabulous Rougeau's
06-12-2012, 10:57 AM
It may be awhile till we get a meaningfull partner for Ryback. After his match on Raw you could here him shout give me 3. Now he says alot of stuff during his matches some of which is just downright funny. But maybe they want him to run through 3 jobbers at a time before he begins a real program.

Ithil
06-12-2012, 11:06 AM
Today, right now... Lesnar would be too much, too soon. Khali would be a good opponent as a one-off I think. There isn't too much of a feud to build there, as has been the case with nearly everyone put up against Khali. They just don't come off well in my opinion. Khali should be a stepping stone for Ryback, not a breakout.

Ezekiel Jackson is the name that comes to mind when I think first big feud for Ryback. Ryback is a big powerful guy... so is Jackson. Both have made a WWE career out of shoving guys around and battering them with power moves. Either would conceivably have a difficult time doing that to the other. It makes for an intriguing matchup from that standpoint. Storyline going in is simple, but effective. Ryback has been destroying guys half his size for a month or more... Jackson contends that Ryback only looks invincible because of that fact. Big Zeke challenges him to try pushing him around like that. Ryback is more than up for the challenge.

I don't see Ryback/Jackson as a long feud... maybe a month or two into the following PPV with a hard earned, yet clear-cut win for Ryback. Jackson is put there to show that when up against better competition, Ryback can pull something off and get the job done... even if his opponent rivals his power aresenal. It would serve as Ryback's entry into the mid-card scene, setting up some better/tougher matches and leading to a mid-card title shot/run in the near future.
Zeke is a terrible wrestler, though, and has zero heat (and always has, even when they have him a push last year). On paper it's neat to have Ryback meet another huge guy in the wrong, but it would be a terrible match.

Thrash
06-12-2012, 11:10 AM
Since Ryback seems to like fighting 2 guys, why do you have him make his way through the Tag division and eventually win the Tag-Team Titles. The GM or whatever could make a rule change allowing Ryback to compete for the Tag-Team Titles on his own, call it the "Ryback Rule". He would be first the first solo guy to carry and defend the Tag Titles on a regular basis (at least to my knowledge).

For those of you who say this will weaken the prestige of the Tag Titles... first of all what prestige? Second of all, at least it would do something different and interesting with the Titles that people would take notice of. I personally think it would be hilarious to see some guy walking around carrying both Tag-Team belts screaming "FEED ME MORE".

To be honest, I think this is a damn good idea, BUT, you need to put the Tag Titles on a slightly lesser tag team, Hawkins/Reks or Young/O'Neil status first. Then we could get Ryback to destroy them and possible we then see him defend them against some Jobbers, then maybe Uso's/Air Truth. Obviously, he would have to lose them eventually and it might bring aroudn the KoW or a "Big" Tag Team to take him down, letting him go off into singles competition.

I do like your idea though, well thought.

neildittmar
06-12-2012, 11:22 AM
Zeke is a terrible wrestler, though, and has zero heat (and always has, even when they have him a push last year). On paper it's neat to have Ryback meet another huge guy in the wrong, but it would be a terrible match.

Fair point. I equate this to the Warrior/Hercules feud in the 80's, but hopefully with a bit better timing and ring presence from both competitors. I wouldn't expect a 30 minute "epic" between these two worthy of 5 stars, but they should both be capable enough to get the point across that I outlined prior.

Ryback's biggest criticism (from me included) is that he's beating up guys half his size. Yes, it makes him look super-dominant and provides a showcase for his power arsenal. That wears thin though when you're feeding him jobbers. In another few weeks, it would be quite easy to turn Ryback's "feed me" line into a farce of sorts, since that's exactly what WWE is/would be doing.

Ryback needs to step up in competition pretty soon, particularly with a power wrestler who can (at least somewhat) match him hold-for-hold to extinguish the "he only looks good against jobbers" persona that may be starting to develop. Zeke doesn't have to "be the heel" here... he just has to challenge Ryback, call him out, present a greater challenge than what he's accustomed to.

Ryback doesn't need a long-term feud yet in my opinion. He's still in the process of establishing his character, exactly like Goldberg did in the 90's. Zeke is a "challenge" for him to go up a step, not his big money program. That's at least a few months off I think, even if they're hot-shotting him.

Jerichoholic8894
06-12-2012, 11:23 AM
I think the best option is to bring Mark Henry back (when healthy) and have him challenge Ryback. but I think Kane is defanitly a feud that needs to happen after Ryback has an established feud rather than just beating local jobbers

Jerichoholic8894
06-12-2012, 11:26 AM
Since Ryback seems to like fighting 2 guys, why do you have him make his way through the Tag division and eventually win the Tag-Team Titles. The GM or whatever could make a rule change allowing Ryback to compete for the Tag-Team Titles on his own, call it the "Ryback Rule". He would be first the first solo guy to carry and defend the Tag Titles on a regular basis (at least to my knowledge).

For those of you who say this will weaken the prestige of the Tag Titles... first of all what prestige? Second of all, at least it would do something different and interesting with the Titles that people would take notice of. I personally think it would be hilarious to see some guy walking around carrying both Tag-Team belts screaming "FEED ME MORE".

As said earlier, that's a damn good idea. And I do believe it would make the Tag Titles at least interesting for a while. I honestly forgot who the tag champs were until last night during the R-Truth segment (When did they win it anyway? Ah who cares)

Really good idea though

Klown_Karnage
06-12-2012, 11:27 AM
There are many possibilities for a first feud for Ryback. Drew McIntyre comes to mind. The WWE seems pretty determined to shut him down, so he'd be a good established wrestler to feed to Ryback over the course of a few matches. I like the idea of Ryback taking on the tag-team division by himself and holding the tag titles on his own. That would be a fun and entertaining idea. Another possibility would be to have him go after his old tag-team partner Otunga.

Still, there is one person I'd like to see Ryback do an extended program with: Kane. I'm not certain just how good Ryback is on the mic, and a verbal confrontation might well be necessary for an extended feud with Kane, but these two could have some epic matches largely due to the fact that both of them are so damn big and yet able to move as quickly and athletically as they can. Kane could well be the first one that Ryback loses to and therefore become his "greatest challenge". Kane could also benefit as being the one who helped Ryback break out of the simple "fighting machine" into a more complex character. Eventually, the two of them might be on the same side with Ryback as a sort of "monster's apprentice". Either way, I'd like to see Ryback have an extended history with the Big Red Machine...maybe even being the one to retire him when the time comes...

SinCityBlitz
06-12-2012, 12:05 PM
He needs to come out and take out someone who is really hated. He needs to do something HUGE. Fueds with guys like Ziggler or McIntyre are not going to do much to get him over. Imagine Ryback showing up at the main event of NWO and taking out Kane right when Kane is going to win the title from Punk. That is how he is going to get over.

Good call Klown!!

boywithbluehanger
06-12-2012, 12:34 PM
A feud with another newer guy could be the start of an ongoing rivalry for Ryback. But I think that he'll need to be chasing some sort of title simply because his character is over in that he's believably threatening. I think the IC title would look good on him so perhaps after they've tested the water with him in a non-title feud with someone like Barret or Henry (whenever he returns), they could have him battle it out with Christian or whoever will be the next IC champion.

On an side note, why don't the commentators shut-up when Ryback is wrestling?! It's been three weeks since he's said "FINISH HIM!". Now he says "FINISH IT!" and it's very noticeable. Plus, while they were yapping away on the last RAW, they completely missed that instead of saying "FEED. ME. MORE!!" he said "FEED. ME. THREE!!!". Indicating that he wants to try facing three opponents instead of his usual 2. And they were also running their mouths about nonsense when he yelled "I. HIT. HARRRD!!!!"

You'd think by now they'd learn to pay attention to when he speaks since I'm sure that by now it's a part of his character gimmick that he's desperately trying to get over.

vthokie8
06-12-2012, 01:37 PM
I have two that make the most sense to me:

1) Mark Henry- When he does come back, there is really nobody on the roster for him to fued with unless they throw him into the main event shuffle with Sheamus. Mark is a big, established guy who could work for putting Ryback over. Henry isn't getting any younger and really isn't a huge draw as a main eventer so it would make sense.

2) Primo & Epico- I like the slow build of a superstar, and much like Brock Lesnar a fued with two guys would make him look that much more powerful and you could play off the fact he has been destroying two people for weeks now. I'm not saying Primo & Epico are the Hardys by any means, but a fued with Ryback could only boost their stock while still making Ryback look like a monster. You also have Rosa as the wildcard, that could try and distract Ryback Slater & Gabrial would also make sense if they were still a team, due to the history with Ryback and the fact that they are doing little to nothing anyway it would be a good way to get them more exposure.

OldSchoolGradNB
06-12-2012, 01:48 PM
I admit I was entertained when he first came out and started squashing no-name jobbers. I was pretty taken back by how strong Ryberg was. The problem is that he's been doing the same thing for months now. He's only ever gone up against one actual member of the roster that I know of (Slater). Every match he wrestles is the same, with the only change coming in the form of how many guys he wrestles at once.

They can't even at least give him big-size no-namers, either. They always give him these guys who barely weigh more than an abstract thought. My mother could beat these guys for crying out loud. Now he wants to start taking on three at a time. They'll probably be even smaller so as to keep the combined weight around the same number. Feed him more? No. Feed him legitimacy. I'm tired of watching this guy go out wrestle Ken dolls (and I'm sure I'm not the only one).

That being said, what I really really wanted to see was this: it seemed like they were building up an unbeatable monster on each show - Ryberg on SD! and Lord Albert on RAW. I thought it would've been inevitable that these two would clash one day with their respective streaks still intact to determine which one of them is the true dominant force. That would've been really cool to see, and I feel like the match would've been pretty good too.

That obviously can't happen now (at least not the streak part) because Tensai was so wrongly used on night and subsequently defeated and cast aside all for the purpose of furthering someone else's storyline. That really kind of broke my heart. Tensai was at least facing legit guys (whenever he did wrestle) and he was believable as an unconquerable force in the ring. Instead he got a momentary push and then he got thrown under the proverbial bus.

Someone on here mentioned Ryberg going for the tag straps by himself. That would actually be amazing. I would love to see that. It would make the titles mean something again (no disrespect to Kofi) and it would give folks a reason to watch him go out and destroy people again.

I would've have loved to have seen him go up against Big Zeke...the problem is that they just had him lose CLEAN to Easter Bunny. That was heartbreaking too. The fact that a big powerhouse like Zeke got straight dominated by a little guy like Sandow is just terrible.

Finally, while I won't say that I don't like his finisher (it is pretty impactful and gets the job done), I will agree that it's pretty much a Samoan Drop. The opponents might get up onto his shoulders in different ways, but the fall and the impact are the fundamental ingredients of a glorified Samoan Drop. I still like it though. I love his backpack stunner. That one should have been his primary game-ender, in my opinion.

asiatic7
06-12-2012, 03:54 PM
Usually I start threads to provoke thought-laced discussion, but this time, I gotta express some dis-interest. I notice lots of people on these threads approve of the Ryback character... I am not one of those people. So I just want to know, is there anyone else out there who has a lack of interest in Ryback?
Is he all hype?
Are these squash matches covering up for him being limited in the ring and on the mic?
Will he be exposed in his first real feud and end up like Mason Ryan and Tensai, a beefy jobber?

Please express and embrace the hate here...:disappointed::banghead:

Jack-Hammer
06-12-2012, 04:12 PM
I think you're forgetting that Ryback was originally Skip Sheffield. He was part of the original season of NXT and later a part of Nexus. He broke his ankle at a house show that kept him out of action for quite a while. As far as his in-ring ability & mic work went during that time, the man had talent. I'm not saying he's a Kurt Angle or a Shawn Michaels but he's better than the vast majority of guys in his size range that I've seen.

As far as his current character goes, I agree that we need to see more before ultimately just jumping on the band wagon. I've heard some call him the next big thing and I do roll my eyes at that. The squash matches are getting old and I think it's time to put him in an actual feud with someone. They've done well at establishing Ryback as a big, physically impressive & intense guy but I think it's time that we see what he's really capable against actual opponents and in cutting actual promos.

hatehabsforever
06-12-2012, 04:28 PM
If we are going to assess Ryback, I think we only need to look at comparable guys who debuted (or were repackaged) around the same time, namely Brodus Clay and Tensai. And it's not even close which of the three is the best. Ryback is astronomically better than the other two guys. He doesn't have a gimmick which got old a matter of weeks after it began, and he doesn't have a gimmick which is absolutely ridiculous. He's better in the ring, has generated more interest (in terms of wrestling), and has the far brightest future.

I would agree, however, that it's time to graduate beyond the squash matches with anonymous jobbers. it's time to see him face some true competition, and exert his supposed dominance over them.

JaylisJayP
06-12-2012, 04:44 PM
The nice potential for Ryback's gimmick is that he doesn't need mic skills to get over with it...but he does need a feud already. Creative absolutely sucks and I unfortunately have no faith in their ability to not fuck up his potential completely.

DForce
06-12-2012, 05:07 PM
I don't have a problem with the Ryback character, but as someone posted, he used to be Skip Sheffield--and he was pretty good on the mic and pretty intense in-ring. At the same time, because he was Skip Sheffield, who got beat up by Cena and was hardly a threat, I'm finding it hard to suspend my previously suspended reality and accept this guy as legit. I mean, I think he's doing a great job as Ryback, but like I said, I can't get over him being Skip, and that's WWE's fault.

He needs some type of back story: like, show footage of him hitting the gym, training, lifting weights, flipping tires, and beating tires with a sledgehammer. Show footage of him squashing training partners. Let him say that after breaking his ankle and losing NXT to Barrett, he decided to work hard to be the best. Don't just repackage him like we just started watching wrestling yesterday, or like he's been gone for 7 years or something.

In the time they do all of those squash matches they can at least show a few video packages. I like the character, but I hate the story telling. It's like Christian: why the sudden change of heart? When will they explain that?

DirtyD79
06-12-2012, 05:09 PM
As far as his current character goes, I agree that we need to see more before ultimately just jumping on the band wagon. I've heard some call him the next big thing and I do roll my eyes at that. The squash matches are getting old and I think it's time to put him in an actual feud with someone. They've done well at establishing Ryback as a big, physically impressive & intense guy but I think it's time that we see what he's really capable against actual opponents and in cutting actual promos.

To me that's gonna be the true test. When he's actually wrestling in a real feud and not just squashing "ham n' eggers" as Bobby Heenan would call them.

CotterHavok
06-12-2012, 05:13 PM
I like the overall character of Ryback but the RVD look needs to go, along with his weird arm motions when he comes out because he just looks like a goof. I would also give him a different finisher. The samoan drop thing he does isn't very impressive even with two guys. I do enjoy the Goldberg like qualities he has shown though. That may just be because I'm a WCW guy...

Kiwwe
06-12-2012, 05:18 PM
Ive got no problem with Ryback as he is at the moment. Hes Intense, looks like a beast, has catchy intro music, and dominates in the ring. Even if its against unusually vocal jobbers. His move set isnt the most technical out there but he tries to add a new power move in each match, which are always impressive and im sure the jobbers are in genuine pain most of the time. His unnamed finisher is pretty cool with 2 guys on his back, but I dont think it would get a believable pin on say Cena or Punk. How cools it gonna be when he gets Big Show up on his shoulders and marches round the ring.

Hes obviously going to have a lengthy undefeated run, thats the reason why hes facing 2 jobbers at a time, so when they eventually get around to releasing his win loss record it will be an extremely high number. As winning a handicap match counts for 2 wins. Ask Undertaker.

At No Way Out I wouldnt mind seeing him in a huge handicap match with say 5 or 6 jobbers, making a huge pile of bodies in the centre of the ring and getting the pin. Then maybe start a feud from there, I think he should be put against Santino for the us title at a PPV, and have Santino staining his undies every week on raw until hes put out of his misery. Santino would play it up extremely well. Ryback holds onto us title, defeating every mid carder all the way to royal rumble, wins, defeats champ at Wrestlemania. I know its a big call but Vince has already said numerous times that Skip Sheffield is the future of the wwe. But what does he know, ask Drew McIntyre.

PowerHouse
06-12-2012, 05:27 PM
The funniest thing about this whole thing is that people call him Goldberg. Yea Vince wants him to become WWE's version of what Goldberg was but as an in ring performer he is FAR FAR better than Goldberg ever was. I like ,but i am sick of seeing him beat on two guys who's combined weight is barely more than what Ryback himself weights. He needs to small program even if its after one of these squash matches somebody from the back comes out and tries jumping him. Or comes out hits him and runs.

With Ryback now on RAW and Brodus on Smackdown i think the WWE wants to try to get Ryback the same type of popularity as Brodus was getting being on Raw. Plus IMO Ryback to me has more main event potential than Brodus or Tensai or at least more than they do with their current gimmicks. Tensai is a great in ring Worker but his character never got over cause he never said anything.

rge2010
06-13-2012, 10:35 AM
Raw & Smackdown - Did anyone here Ryback say 'Feed Me Three' after he pinned them 2 jobbers on Raw? Looks like he could be about to step up the 3 jobbers. I would do this for a few weeks then have someone like Mason Ryan or Ezekiel Jackson challenging him. Make Ryback work for his win this time. After he dispatches both of them, have Mark Henry jump the barrier, come out on stage and blindside Ryback. Have him beat him down.

Summerslam 2012 - features Ryback vs Mark Henry. Maybe the PPV after that as well.

Survivor Series 2012 - have Ryback team up in a 5 on 5 match with some more established stars and have him victorious.

Royal Rumble 2013 - Kane eliminates Ryback setting up a fued.

Elimination Chamber 2013 - Ryback vs Kane. Ryback victorious and the streak still in tact.

Wrestlemania 29 - Streak vs Streak. Undertaker vs Ryback. You have a guy never lost at Wrestlemania and a guy never lost in 12 months = MONEY.

The latter happens of course if Brock isn't challenging for the streak. I don't think he will. Looks like Triple H will beat him at Summerslam now. Rock vs Brock gets my vote.

Mike D
06-13-2012, 02:41 PM
I think a returning Wade Barret could attack Ryback and clean house before moving back up to the title picture . Reports say the WWE wrestlers feel he is too green to work with and that's why he is going against jobbers . Who knows if it's true or not .

rge2010
06-14-2012, 06:12 AM
I think a returning Wade Barret could attack Ryback and clean house before moving back up to the title picture . Reports say the WWE wrestlers feel he is too green to work with and that's why he is going against jobbers . Who knows if it's true or not .

I can see why they feel that. He looks very rough with the jobbers. He tosses them about HARD!!!

I dont know if he is playing up to his character or if he is been careless. Some of the slams he does offer no protection to the jobber.

closet_fan
06-15-2012, 02:00 PM
Someone is going to have to eventually step up if this guy is to get any credibility. I would think he will start to get more in sync in the ring once he starts facing guys who are closer to his size.

The guys he's going up against now are puny. He can pick them up and throw them around with TOO much ease.

gasM
06-15-2012, 05:56 PM
What with so many people winning squash matches regularly recently, would anyone be interested in seeing them feud with Ryback?
Like a streak versus streak thing: both guys touting that they are impossible to beat, culminating in the two meeting in the ring for the first time at a PPV.
Imagine a guy like Antonio Cesaro cutting a heel promo saying he can't be beaten, only to be called out by Ryback. Ryback would immediately get a pop for interrupting the annoying heel, and if Cesaro were to screw Ryback out of the win in the PPV match, it gets him a ton of heat whilst still making Ryback look strong. Plus you can't keep the streak angle going forever; it can get old fast, so if Ryback were to lose once or twice in subsequent feuds, it wouldn't be such a big deal.

PowerHouse
06-15-2012, 06:06 PM
I have not seen anything that says Ryback is careless with his opponents. His powerbombs to me look good. His clothlines look good. I havent seen him spike anyone on top of their head. This notion that he is green or sloppy to me is some BS report that one site put up and now every other dirtsheet posting Wrestling site is now using. Some of the news you hear is true but you can't believe everything posted on this and others. Skip worked with Cena as a Nexus member befor he got hurt. He looked very impressive as a member of Nexus back when it was the big angle on Raw and Smackdown. He had an ankle injury and was wrestling in Dark matches and house shows for a while befor being put on TV. I highly doubt Vince who pulled Brodus off T.V due to him being unsafe and not refined enough in the ring, is going to get behind Ryback if he was a danger to whomever he was in the ring with. Some of you need to think about it. Talent may not wanna work with him but its most likely because they are going to get dominated and not look good against him, not because he is sloppy or inexperienced.

TheGamea
06-15-2012, 09:37 PM
If YOU were RYBACKs next (squash) match

your a wwe developmental wrerstler, its your BIG chance your on WWE friday night smackdown on TV in prime-time for the world to see, however you face RYBACK and you know this match will be under 2 min and you will be humiliated and crushed like a dog, do you tell your friends and family to watch you on tv YES or NO???

Danger Burger
06-15-2012, 09:46 PM
I would get into the fetal position and pretend to have a mental breakdown at the mere sight of Ryback coming towards me. I would wet myself live on PPV just to get that guy over (and me over too) and i would make sure the whole world (specially mt momz) saw!

FutureChamp328
06-15-2012, 10:47 PM
Of course I would tell everyone to watch and I'd tell them to tell all their friends too. Being on TV is being on TV and for a starting wrestler that exposure is everything. Also while in that match I would sell everything harder than Dolph Ziggler. When that clothesline comes I'd do a freaking flip to make that guy look good. That's how the Hardy Boyz got their start, they got on TV as jobbers when WWE was in their area and they worked so well and made guys look so good that superstars actually asked for them by name to the point where they were offered contracts.

Arashi
06-15-2012, 11:21 PM
Yeah why not? even though you might not be put over you'll still be out there and have a chance to show your talent. If you can kill it on the microphone, then go out there and take some serious bumps and be a trooper who knows what could happen.

The ShIT Factor
06-17-2012, 07:07 PM
He needs to face real wrestlers because this jobber thing has run its course. He needs to demolish someone who actually has a reputation like, um, the great khali or destroy a WWE tag team like Justin Gabriel and Tyson Kidd and have Ryback feud with them. That would establish him better IMO.

Terry Gyimah
06-18-2012, 09:26 AM
Ryback needs to face actual wrestlers, wrestlers who will actually test him in the ring, but instead WWE creative keeps putting him up against jobbers, like put him up against superstars like Hunico, Great Khali, or even Tensai or put him up against Swagger or even Sandow or Cesaro

Ithil
06-18-2012, 09:35 AM
Looks like they're going to have him fight three jobbers at once now. I guess we're going to wait at least another month before he fights someone employed by WWE.

Terry Gyimah
06-18-2012, 09:37 AM
Ryback at SummerSlam I would prefer if they give him an actual meaningful opponent for SummerSlam who will actually test him, maybe someone like Kane, that would make my day

Ross421
06-18-2012, 01:28 PM
I could see Ryback facing Damien Sandow for a long term feud. Sandow can play a card like "He's just a brute who beats people up with no intellectual ability to even speak" I mean all Ryback says is "Feed me more!(Or three)" It would definitely get one of these 2 over.

closet_fan
06-18-2012, 02:37 PM
I'm interested to see who Ryback's first opponent is going to be considering most are afraid to work with him. They can't keep throwing jobbers out to him for another 3 months.

Even Goldberg's first opponent was Hugh Morrus. Maybe not a main-event guy, but he was at least someone the WCW audience knew. You would think with all the guys the WWE doesn't use in the back that they could throw some known name out there.

boywithbluehanger
06-18-2012, 03:29 PM
On an side note, why don't the commentators shut-up when Ryback is wrestling?! It's been three weeks since he's said "FINISH HIM!". Now he says "FINISH IT!" and it's very noticeable. Plus, while they were yapping away on the last RAW, they completely missed that instead of saying "FEED. ME. MORE!!" he said "FEED. ME. THREE!!!". Indicating that he wants to try facing three opponents instead of his usual 2. And they were also running their mouths about nonsense when he yelled "I. HIT. HARRRD!!!!"

You'd think by now they'd learn to pay attention to when he speaks since I'm sure that by now it's a part of his character gimmick that he's desperately trying to get over.

Well said, self! :D It only took two weeks..albeit they almost missed their chance to catch what Ryback was saying while they were talking about nonsense...yet again.

This is really a true testament to how much they commentators go on about nothing when they should be paying attention to what's going on inside the ring.

BB79
06-18-2012, 09:16 PM
Not impressed with Ryback at all. Facing scrawny nobodies is just sad. Acting like it's a big deal when he picks up 2 men that are just over 300lbs combined, really? John Cena picked up the Big Show AND Edge, now THAT is impressive. Beyond that, the hand crap and twitching just looks stupid. He isn't worth a pile of Goldberg's toenail clippings.

DANIELBRYANrealwrestler
06-19-2012, 04:02 AM
Ryback is Mcmahons newest favorite creation so dont be surprised if he continues to squash ppl nd get shoved down our throats.

DirtyD79
06-19-2012, 04:35 AM
Ryback at SummerSlam I would prefer if they give him an actual meaningful opponent for SummerSlam who will actually test him, maybe someone like Kane, that would make my day

I just don't think he's ready for a pay per view yet. He hasn't really done anything other than squash jobbers and isn't in an actual feud with anyone. Maybe you could throw him in a Royal Rumble or on a Survivor Series team but a one on one match, not now.

Strife543
06-19-2012, 12:03 PM
to all those who have said ryback never fought a wwe employee he has fought slater and camacho before and this fighting random jobbers with bad promos thing wont be going on muchlonger if they want tomake him a supposed main eventer

CDoherty
06-19-2012, 04:42 PM
The setup has already started even though WWE tries to hide the fact the everyone cheers Goldberg during his matches and Ryback is a Goldberg Clone.

I was thinking on paper how a Ryback vs. Goldberg match sounds awesome, but in real life the match would suck. Neither know how to carry a match or to sell, at all. Plus I think there is no chance in hell Goldberg would job to Ryback and if Ryback lost to Goldberg, I think Ryback would be done.

So my think was that they still have a Ryback vs. Goldberg match with it starting like the Warrior vs. Hogan at WM 6, but then once it starts getting interesting someone or better a group of guys head by a leader attack both, then having Ryback and Goldberg kick both of their asses have Ryback feud with the leader and maybe bring Goldberg back to do one last tag with Ryback.

Anyone else thought about it or would like to see the match?

supernatural1981
06-19-2012, 05:04 PM
in a word................NO. Goldberg was a WCW star who was over with the fans there but when he went to wwe he was exposed for what he was, a guy who believed his own hype and couldnt sell.

Ryback is a poor mans goldberg. feeding him jobbers because the genuine stars are not willing to work with him cos he is too stiff. At least goldberg could be put in a ring with other stars even though he was stiff(ask bret hart)

So if you put these guys in a ring together you would have a train wreck with goldbergs ego and ryback being stiff it wouldnt be nice to watch.

Jerichoholic8894
06-19-2012, 05:34 PM
So you're suggesting WWE pay Goldberg around the money Lesnar is making (I'm assuming Goldberg would wan't that $5mill that Lesnar is getting) for a squash match? What's honestly the point in bringing Goldberg in for that?

Doesn't make any sense to me. Goldberg really shouldn't be brought back at all, his "legacy" can stay in WCW for all I (and probably a good majority) care

The mind
06-19-2012, 05:44 PM
I think the chants are from a
"we've seen this before" mentallity then anyone in their right mind wanting to see an untalented spot botcher like Goldberg taking on a young wrestler like Ryback, and poor Ryback would end up suffering the same fate as Bret Hart.

Crimson was getting Goldberg chants at TNA house shows. Anytime a wrestler gets promoted via his win strike, the fans are going to chant Goldberg. It's actually an insult when you think about it.

BillNyeQuil
06-19-2012, 06:08 PM
I definitely wouldn't be interested in the match. I never enjoyed Goldberg, personally, and I already find Ryback to be more entertaining. I think his build and moveset are a lot more dominant seeming than Goldberg's ever was.

thesquaredcircle
06-19-2012, 06:34 PM
I would hate to see a match like that. Who would benefit from it. Ryback? No because Goldberg will never lose to him. Goldberg? Does it even matter if he wins. Will that help his legacy? No. The fans? I feel bad for them the most. Someone would probably get hurt. In one simple word NO.

Garden State Saint
06-19-2012, 06:40 PM
Ryback sucks big time. I think he is a rip off of Goldberg,RVD and The Terminator all combined into one. The guy acts like and is a wanna be Goldberg with this FEED ME MORE BS,his wrestling attire is a rip off of RVD and he acts like The Terminator when he starts stomping his feet.

Ryback has no wrestling skills what so ever. He sucked when he was Skip Sheffield and now he is even worse as Ryback. Who wants to see a so called monster Bill Goldberg wanna be beat up and destroy a bunch of no name jobbers each and every week. I know I don't. At least Goldberg wrestled some good name wrestlers back in WCW. Sorry just not a fan of Ryback.

Kizzani
06-19-2012, 07:21 PM
How is this even a question by a sane man? Ryback has beaten....well nobody. No one wants to work with him so you can't really see his true talents ( if there is any). Then their is Goldberg, people in WCW needed a hero since NWO was in full effect. Goldberg managed to win a few titles.

Ryback would lose this match to save face with Goldberg, then Ryback can go back to squashing jobbers to re-build his rep as a bad ass ...almost.

I love how Ryback is goldberg in the eyes of the people. You do realize both were written to win and really did nothing. Neither can sell for crap and and both look like roids are powering the boring machines.

Could you imagine the build up to the PPV.

Goldberg.."Ahhhhh"
Ryback.." Die"
Goldberg "GRRRRRR"
Ryback.."Raaaawwrr"
Four weeks of that as a promo...wow...where is john Morrison

Canadian_SXE
06-19-2012, 08:45 PM
Okay first of all just because a guy is bald and muscular sqashes guys doesnt mean he is just a goldberg wannabe. Ryback and Goldberg wrestle nothing alike at all. Goldberg just came in speared the guy and jackhammer and that was it. Ryback does the double powerbomb stiff lariat, powerslam and his single leg muscle buster. he doesnt just squash guys in seconds. Plus like someone said in another post Pit Bull #2 was a big physically imposing bald guy in ECW and he was before Goldberg. Plus his attire is similar to Ryback. Just because a guy wheres a singlet doesnt make him a rip off of RVD either. The already mentioned Pit Bull 2, Kurt Angle, Owen Hart to name a few all were similar attire to Ryback. And the whole him being too stiff to work with the main guys is bullshit. What are they a bunch of fucking pussies that they can't get in their and get a little beat up. They said the same thing about RVD when he busted Austin's mouth with a kick, and prior to Tajiri being called up he got complained about all the time for kicking people to hard. Stop being pussies and just deal with it. So basically every jobber that Ryback has squashed is tougher than all the main guys because they know Ryback is going to kick the crap out of them yet they do their jobs without complaining.

PowerHouse
06-19-2012, 11:17 PM
Some of you people have no CLUE!!!!!! Ryback is a poor man Goldberg...NO that was Gillberg!!!!! Ryback is nothing like Goldberg if you really compare them. Goldberg started off beating established guys in the business Ryback is beating no name local jobbers. Goldberg got pushed to fast to soon. He was wreckless in the ring. He ended Bret Harts career with a botched Superkick. Numerous stars back in WCW complained about Goldberg and how he really didnt knowhow to protect the other guy he was in the ring with. Ryback isn't ending anyone's career. He is being pushed slowly. This BS report about people not wanting to work with him is just rediculas. The guy was working matches with Cena befor he got hurt now all of a sudden he is to GREEN for the talent to work with him. He was one of the major guys in nexus. You read one stupid report that like most of the reports you should be taking worth a grain of salt. They don't call these sites dirt sheets for no reason. If Vince McMahon is backing this guy its for a reason. Vince has been in the business a very long time. If he feels this guy is the next Goldberg or Lesnar like guy in the WWE then just watch and wait to see what happens. We already saw that Lord Tensai was repackaged as Tensai and considered a Flop. Vince is pushing Ryback slowly like Goldberg should have been pushed. You don't have to like Ryback but at least have a clue at what you are talking about rather than taking every word that the dirt sheets say literally.

GrandSword
06-20-2012, 12:03 AM
Everyone here seems to have mentioned most of what I'm thinking but there has alwys been a clear thing that no one seems to mention, as most of the time it s is "cool" to hate on Goldberg. And that is IT Factor. Something Bill Goldberg had in spades and why he received the type of push he did. Although the man could talk on the mic to save himself, when he walked onto our tv screens for the first time, he didn't need to be built as a star, he just was.

Ryback though needs to build up. He looks very impressive but he just doesn't give off that star power that Goldberg had. I think the gimmick they have given to Ryback has been the wrong way to go. The man was the Nexus enforcer and his lariats were vicious when they were attacking guys like Rick Steamboat and Vince.

Ryback is a far better name than Skip Sheffield, but he should have debuted feeding off how destructive he was in Nexus and now that Nexus has gone the way of the dodo, he is back to wreak havoc not for a team but for himself. The two 50kg guys he squashes every week just isn't cutting it, because no other superstar seems to get this advantage of beating up children.

Goldberg was something that comes around very rarely these days. Ryback, at the moment is just another big muscle guy presently needing to be built up. ie. Mason Ryan. If Goldberg was ever to return he would be facing Cena. Not Ryback.

rge2010
06-20-2012, 07:14 AM
Members of the ICW never cease to amaze me. They are obsessed with comparing characters. Guess what kids, if it works then why not replicate it?

Goldberg was a huge draw, why not make Ryback 'similar'. For what its worth apart from them being big built and on a streak I dont see it.

Cena often slammed for been 'Hulk Hogan 2'...and? Hogan and Cena make money. It works. WWE is about making money. If they dont, you are stuck with crap like TNA and ROH as the major players in pro wrestling.

The same cretins are pushing Dolph Ziggler as Mr Perfect. But 'thats ok' because Perfect could 'wrestle'. Perfect never drew a dime and neither will Ziggler.

Khalifa
06-20-2012, 09:23 AM
At the moment it would just be pointless. Ryback has beaten nobodies and while he does look like a force, he hasn't beaten anyone that would make someone believe that he would beat Goldberg. You have to remember that Goldberg beat the likes of Sting, DDP, Giant, Hogan and etc. The fans would expect Ryback to put up a good enough fight but not beat Goldberg. Until Ryback beats some quality wrestlers it would be pointless. Who am I kidding, it is pointless anyways.

The S#cial Sector
06-20-2012, 10:38 AM
Ryback has no wrestling skills what so ever. He sucked when he was Skip Sheffield and now he is even worse as Ryback. Who wants to see a so called monster Bill Goldberg wanna be beat up and destroy a bunch of no name jobbers each and every week. I know I don't. At least Goldberg wrestled some good name wrestlers back in WCW. Sorry just not a fan of Ryback.

Really? Because doing WRESTLING MOVES without botching them totally proves that he can't wrestle? What in the blue hell do you (or anyone) base these facts off of? Who in the blue hell are you to say Ryback, or any wrestler, can't wrestle? They go in there, they do WRESTLING MOVES and are trained properly to do so. So by that definition, they would be considered wrestlers. Again, as I say to everyone like you, just because you're grasping at straws to find reasons to hate someone doesn't give you any right to go spitting out bullshit.

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As for a Ryback and Goldberg match, I don't think it's worth it. Ryback will most likely be turned heel in the coming months so he can feud with Brodus Clay. I don't see any reason to give him someone like Goldberg when WWE would just feed him to Goldberg without any second thought.

Dr. Awesome
06-20-2012, 11:49 AM
Not really worth it. Nice idea but IF it was to happen Goldberg would want too much money. So he would most likely win (although the same was for Lesnar and look what happened -.-). But lets say Goldberg wins. It kills Ryback's momentum and could stop him from being a forced to be reckoned with. But Lets say Ryback wins its a waste of money (although this won't happen because Goldberg NEVER puts anybody else over). So we could end up with Lesnar vs Goldberg at WM all over again.

BLoafX
06-20-2012, 02:51 PM
I don't think Ryback really has enough draw power to make a Goldberg return happen (not saying he's going to return, just generally speaking). He came in with Nexus, got hurt, now he is back tearing apart no names. Goldberg was kind of a big deal, and I don't see any reason to bring in a big deal for Ryback until he at least is in the running for a major title.

I'm praying, though, that Ryback produces Gillback! I don't care what anyone says...Gillberg is one of my favorite gimmicks ever! Longest reigning lightweight champion!

Soccerjrc18
06-20-2012, 06:52 PM
Ryback vs. Goldberg wouldn't be a great match. Ryback really isn't even doing much. He literally beats the crap outta two guys that are both skinnier then me (which says alot) and doesn't have to put much effort to win his matches. Goldberg would wipe the floor with him.

Dagger Dias
06-21-2012, 10:11 AM
Ryback VS Goldberg is a potential dream match, but later down the line. Ryback needs to be built up first. He's done next to nothing in comparison. Yes, he was an enforcer for The Nexus. Yes, he's destroyed a long line of jobbers. Yes, he's building up a streak. So what though? Goldberg held world titles and had his streak for a VERY long time. Ryback has catching up to do before this feud would be relevant. I'd hate for WWE to rush this and ruin Ryback's potential by having Goldberg squash him, which is the only believable outcome at the moment. They would need to be patient and wait for the right time to run such an angle.

If they waited a while until Ryback has become a big deal then I would want to see it. That is, if Goldberg would be willing to put over the younger star. I doubt that will happen, he'd want to win the match and receive a ton of money for the appearance. If they were impatient and did it NOW? Ryback defeating Goldberg would not be believable and if he lost the match then just about all of his momentum would be gone. I'd like to think that WWE are smart enough to not risk ruining Ryback's odds when they obviously have bigger things planned for him. This could be a really interesting feud if done at the right time, and if Ryback ultimately wins, but it will never happen because of the demands Goldberg would likely have.

WrestlingIsMyLife
06-21-2012, 10:37 AM
I really don't think this will happen. Mainly because IF <-- (big if) Goldberg does return for another (final) run in the WWE it will be like Lesnar's deal. Vince loves the money; as we all know, so he would want Goldberg as a singles star to help get talent over and to get more money. He won't have him tag with Ryback or anyone else, simply because it wouldn't bring in enough.

P.S. can anyone help me create a thread? I don't know how. Thank You.

Little Jerry Lawler
06-21-2012, 11:05 AM
Goldberg is strictly a WCW creation. When he came to the WWE in 2003, he didn't get megapops or anything like that so I don't see why it would be the same now. Of course you'll get the older guys who watched WCW at the time marking for him but the majority probably won't. I'll take a pass.

pigpenwm
06-21-2012, 02:48 PM
At least Goldberg beat Hugh Morrus and Glacier 27 times each to pump up his steak. I'm waiting for Ryback to actually get the opportunity to show us what he can do ring psychology-wise. Take some bumps, be on the opposing end of some high-powered offense...

Eff Goldberg-Ryback....how about Mark Henry returns before Summerslam and targets Ryback because he wants to prove that Ryback isn't so "big and bad"?

I'd take it as a mid-to-late card SS match.

YES!
06-22-2012, 03:03 AM
Goldberg could actually be put into a ring with great wrestlers like Triple H, Bret Hart, The Rock, Lesnar, etc. and still put on a great show. Nobody wants to work with Ryback because they know he's too stiff. That's JMO.

If you ask me, the match would be pointless and boring. It'd be about as bad as the Great Khali Vs. Big Show.

The "Goldberg" chants are not because of the win streak of Ryback. It's because Ryback is nothing more than a Mockumentary of Goldberg. He dresses like a hybrid of Rhino and RVD and he acts like Goldberg.

His ridiculous look on the apron as he comes down to the ring, his poorly executed "power moves", his "march", don't even get me started on his "finisher" which starts out like a jackhammer. Oh, and please don't even mention the "feed me more" crap he yells... sound familiar? *cough* "who's next?"

Hart fandation
06-22-2012, 06:22 PM
I think his first real opponent will come at Raw 1000. He will either go up against a returning superstar who, after a long match, pins ryback, or a current superstar that start a rivalry.

PowerHouse
06-22-2012, 07:35 PM
Goldberg could actually be put into a ring with great wrestlers like Triple H, Bret Hart, The Rock, Lesnar, etc. and still put on a great show. Nobody wants to work with Ryback because they know he's too stiff. That's JMO.

If you ask me, the match would be pointless and boring. It'd be about as bad as the Great Khali Vs. Big Show.

The "Goldberg" chants are not because of the win streak of Ryback. It's because Ryback is nothing more than a Mockumentary of Goldberg. He dresses like a hybrid of Rhino and RVD and he acts like Goldberg.

His ridiculous look on the apron as he comes down to the ring, his poorly executed "power moves", his "march", don't even get me started on his "finisher" which starts out like a jackhammer. Oh, and please don't even mention the "feed me more" crap he yells... sound familiar? *cough* "who's next?"

Poorly executed power moves.... Really maybe you could show us how to properly do those power moves. Or maybe we should go back and watch Goldberg do power moves cause he was soooooooo safe to work with. He only ended Bret Harts career and basically caused Raven to leave WCW cause of how unsafe he was to work with. It's people like you who say stupid things with having a clue what you are talking about and put this info out there as if it is fact. Truth is Vince wants Ryback to continue to be pushed and made to look dominant. Vince wants to Build Ryback up. That is obvious or we wouldnt see him now not only on Smackdown but on Raw as well squashing local jobbers week in and week out. Ryback is still being developed you don't have to like him but don't say he hits poorly executed power moves unless you can go out there and do better and if he was that bad at doing them Vince would pull him from TV like he did to Brodus for being to dangerous not to long ago.

logan_punisher
06-24-2012, 02:38 PM
Now I think Ryback could be a dominating force if hehad the undefeated streak and World Championship! I mean if he got a huge win over big show for number 1 contender and went on to defeat Sheamus. I think a feud with Sheamus would be a awesome way to get this boring booking for Ryback right now. You have tons of great things you could do with him. What you guys think?

The Hillside
06-24-2012, 03:05 PM
Sheamus vs Ryback should be good, but too soon to make Ryback the world champion. I say give him a couple of mid card feuds and then give him the world title match. Sort of follow the Lesnar route (Lesnar's feuds with Jeff Hardy and RVD) and then the title match against The Rock at Summerslam 2002.

justinept
06-24-2012, 03:53 PM
So your plan is for Ryback - a guy that looks and moves like Goldberg - to go on a huge undefeated streak and win the title? This guy already gets enough comparisons to a guy that most WWE fans think was an overrated talent, and you want to add to that list? That would be the WORST thing you could do for him long-term.

The WWE needs to concentrate on getting its audience to stop the Goldberg chants while he wrestles - and I don't just mean drowning them out on the TV feed. They need to add differences between this character and Ryback. If they hot-shot him to the title scene before doing that, then the crowd will just shit on him as a regurgitation of Goldberg.

Ol'Canucklehead
06-24-2012, 04:02 PM
I think Ryback needs to evolve a little before any title shot. Let's remember that nobody wants to wrestle him for fears they might get hurt. Let's also remember that you pretty much summarized Goldbergs autobiography. So it's been done.

Elementz of Fear
06-24-2012, 04:10 PM
So your plan is for Ryback - a guy that looks and moves like Goldberg - to go on a huge undefeated streak and win the title? This guy already gets enough comparisons to a guy that most WWE fans think was an overrated talent, and you want to add to that list? That would be the WORST thing you could do for him long-term.

The WWE needs to concentrate on getting its audience to stop the Goldberg chants while he wrestles - and I don't just mean drowning them out on the TV feed. They need to add differences between this character and Ryback. If they hot-shot him to the title scene before doing that, then the crowd will just shit on him as a regurgitation of Goldberg.

Hit the nail right on the head. Couldn't have said it better myself. Vince McMahon HATES any idea that isn't his so it is definitely driving him nuts that the crowd is chanting Goldberg. There's no way he should risk the crowd continuing their comparisons by basically rehashing that storyline. What would be a good idea, however, is to have a guy like Big Show, Mark Henry, Tensai or Kane purposely avoid Ryback for a few weeks. The crowd would want to see 2 big guys collide and it would give Ryback a different storyline other than a "streak." When Ryback finally got his hands on him he'd be over with the crowd for sure (assuming he won, of course.) But I would not focus on the undefeated streak thing at all. I'd keep making him go after bigger and better competition and make it actually look like he's feuding with people. The most consistent main eventers are the ones who are able to alter their character and if you go the undefeated streak route to a title he'll always be compared to Goldberg and won't be able to recover.

Workrate
06-24-2012, 04:13 PM
So your plan is for Ryback - a guy that looks and moves like Goldberg - to go on a huge undefeated streak and win the title? This guy already gets enough comparisons to a guy that most WWE fans think was an overrated talent, and you want to add to that list? That would be the WORST thing you could do for him long-term.

The WWE needs to concentrate on getting its audience to stop the Goldberg chants while he wrestles - and I don't just mean drowning them out on the TV feed. They need to add differences between this character and Ryback. If they hot-shot him to the title scene before doing that, then the crowd will just shit on him as a regurgitation of Goldberg.

Exactly. Your "idea" -- which is vanilla and didn't offer very many details at all -- is pretty much the exact script Goldberg had. The Goldberg chants are dumb enough, but they're only going to magnify if you go the undefeated World Champion route.

JaceEvans
06-24-2012, 04:17 PM
So your idea is for him to actually become Goldberg? No bueno.

I'm confused by Ryback. What is WWE's plan for him anyway? Is he going to just keep bneing an attraction and out of any real feuds? Is he to remain undefeated? Is the end plan to have him become the WWE's Goldberg?

I think it would be better if he remains undefeated and then loses a close match with a top heel. I just feel like there's only so many ways to go with a guy being undefeated and most avenues have already been traveled.

H33LTurn
06-24-2012, 04:21 PM
A rivalry with Sheamus isnt too bad of an idea but I dont think Ryback is ready for the title yet. Sheamus is the ideal person for him to face since both are powerhouses and have pretty much equal ability in the ring but he should face some real superstars before being thrown into the title picture.

Little Jerry Lawler
06-24-2012, 04:47 PM
To me, the problem with Ryback will be his surrounding cast more than him himself. I can see the comparisons with Goldberg but here's the main difference. WWE doesn't have that upper level talent like WCW had with DDP, Hall, Nash, Hogan, Sting, etc. What does it really mean for Ryback to go through Ziggler, Swagger, or Rhodes since they lose most of the time anyway? I'm basing this off the assumption that Ryback is a face. I don't have a large sample size to determine whether he'll sink or swim but if he sinks, I'll put it more on the competition than him.

mikde_
07-01-2012, 02:41 AM
How would you introduce Ryback into main roster competition?

Ideas for his first storyline?

Personally I would keep with the squash matches for a few months but introduce more jobbers till we get to the point where he is annihilating 5 or 6 guys at a time, maybe more! I'd like his first feud to be against somebody like del rio who could put a bounty on rybacks head that lower card guys will try cash in on and fail leading to a match with del rio which he will win easily! Then just keep rolling with him towards the main event but keeping his mystery! Don't let him speak and if he has to then make sure it's very little.

thebarber
07-01-2012, 04:07 AM
His first feud will need to be against a heel who is a monster and by going over, Ryback will get over. So Im thinking Kane, it wont hurt him and he isnt really main event materual any more. Goldberg didnt really have a feud as such, even when he was going over name talent until he was WCW Champion. Ryback doesnt need to be rushed

rge2010
07-01-2012, 04:12 AM
Had this thread last week, think it was put into all Ryback discussion.

First fued is easy. Couple of wins against credible opposition like Zeke Jackson and Great Khali before Mark Henry comes out and beats him down. Henry could put Ryback over well. I wouldnt mind seeing that match take place at Summerslam.

LeviCook
07-01-2012, 05:18 AM
I think the squash matches have been going on for way to long. I'm tired of seeing two random jobbers having basically the same match over and over again. Now with this being said i don't think he needs to be in a feud necessarily but he does need to face opponents on the main roster. I know he is built up as a face but why not have him destroy EVERYONE. Have him beat both faces and heels. One week he could beat a guy like Jack Swagger. Then next week beat a guy like Kofi Kingston. Until finally someone steps up and can be the tough competitor he looks for. As someone else said Mark Henry would be great for that.

mikde_
07-01-2012, 05:53 AM
I think it's crazy to say the squash matches have been going on too long. It's only been what? 3 months give or take? I like the fact they are dragging this thing out. It's rare that we don't get something rushed in this day and age.

Y 2 Jake
07-01-2012, 06:12 AM
He needs a proper feud soon. I'm starting to think he's a comedy character. Setting up his matches by having two scrawny indy talents cuty goofy promos isn't the way to get over a monster. And the way he stops when he's holding his two opponents in preparation for his finisher liiks silly.

His first feud should be with somebody like Swagger. A talented worker who's going nowhere. Somebody who can pose a bit of a threat to Ryback, but who can also be decimated quickly when the feud comes to its conclusion.

mikde_
07-01-2012, 06:24 AM
I think it's crazy to say the squash matches have been going on too long. It's only been what? 3 months give or take? I like the fact they are dragging this thing out. It's rare that we don't get something rushed in this day and age.

theBusiness
07-01-2012, 06:37 AM
I have a very strong feeling Ryback will be pushed into the main event sooner than later. I'd even go as far as to say Vince will put the World Title on him by Survivor Series. I would personally put him in a feud with Big Show. I also don't like the idea of him speaking. I disapprove of his shouting during matches as it is.

logan_punisher
07-01-2012, 08:52 PM
Now i have been thinking about Ryback for months. His strength, his ability, and the emotion he brings to the wwe. i think ryback is starting to grow on me. everytime and i dont care about the same thing hes doing cuz its entertaining, and ryback starting a feud against Randy Orton is a great way to get him off the mountain of boring that everybody thinks is happening right now. Randy Orton returns and Ryback attacks and dominates orton and orton comes out the following week with a injured shoulder and ribs and challenges Ryback to a match which could roll a couple months with great matches.

what everyone think?

RendarSelin
07-01-2012, 09:04 PM
To be honest, I think after Ryback is done getting fed, he should be challenged by none other than the World's Strongest Man Mark Henry. Henry is enough of a hated heel, former World Heavyweight Champion, and big enough that it would pose a true challenge for Ryback's first real feud. It would be an easy feud to start - you could just show Henry watching Ryback's continued feats and taking an interest in Ryback, then have him destroy him one night. Of course, have Ryback go over. But destroying the World's Strongest Man would be a great continuation for Ryback.

AndThat'sTheBottomLine
07-01-2012, 09:19 PM
Tensai is a big possibility because of his size but I think a recovering Mark Henry is the better option. People just don't care enough about Tensai for you to waste Ryback's first big feud on. All in all the World's strongest man is your best option here.

WJDwjdWJDwjd
07-01-2012, 09:42 PM
No, no, and no.

Ryback is getting a slow build. A very slow build. They should continue this. No necessarily the feeding, but the building. His first feud should be against a lower mid card heel who is cowardly, talks trash about Ryback, but won't get in the ring with him. Miz did this same tactic with Cena at one point, and Jericho with Goldberg in WCW. I'm sure it's been done plenty of times before. Ryback should start off the same way. It's a good way to build a PPV match, give a lower mid card guy TV time and relevance, and it's also a good way to break Ryback away from squashing jobbers.

My candidates for this first feud would be guys like Heath Slater, Curt Hawkins, Jack Swagger, and Johnny Curtis. They have to be able to trash talk and make the crowd actually care about what they are doing. With Heath Slater's recent work with legends in mind, it's been fun watching him talk shit and then get beat up. I think this would be great for Heath to take part in, and then be a fun match to watch Ryback eventually go over in.

Steve-O-Matt
07-01-2012, 09:52 PM
You know what I'm feeling guys? DAMIEN SANDOW. You're think why him? Ryback will crush him! Well, I think that they could work well as muscle vs. brains, think of it this way, they have a match and Sandow ends his undefeated streak and claims that no much how strong Ryback is, he is no match for the far superior brain of himself.

But it would have to be something like them having a match and Ryback makes a mistake and Sandow milks it for all it's worth, claiming it was because of him.

CuddleBuns84
07-01-2012, 10:14 PM
Ryback just needs to destroy people. Their is a lot of squash-able talent for that guy to destroy. But, I like hearing the slow build for the guy...The major suggestion I have for him being a big thing, is having him destroy Sanito for that US Championship. Have that happen in the next month or so. Yea, it would be a face vs. face thing. Doing it real quick. Get the US title on him.

Have him destroy people left and right. Then give him that Royal Rumble win. After the Royal Rumble. Have him and the Big Show have a big match at the Elimination Chamber. Build that feud for a month or so. Start building it before the Rumble. Have Ryback eliminate Show at the rumble. Set up for the Elimination Chamber.

Have Ryback deliver the shock. I bet anything, the crowd will be going nuts... I have a feeling, John Cena will have the belt after the chamber. Next night on Raw. John Cena will be cutting a promo. Then Ryback's music hits. I'm sure the crowd will go nuts. Would be a good main event at Mania.

One corner, you have one of the most resilient superstars in WWE's history. 10 plus titles. In the other corner. The Killing Machine, Ryback! It's a good way to book this guy. Plus, you would be building the future. After the mania main event. You can have the... Who will defeat this machine known as Ryback.

It may sound like the Goldberg streak... Or a rip off if you think. But, it's a good way to build a product.

mlp420
07-01-2012, 11:00 PM
Don't have him feud with anyone for the time being. I agree with the slow build. Really slow build. Let him keep squashing lower guys for the rest of the year. Then maybe move him into the US/IC title picture and have him win that and give him a monster reign, like a year or so. I know that's pretty similar to Goldberg but they should do it anyway.

Loveless
07-01-2012, 11:10 PM
I'm not going to get into a long thing on this but if the WWE were smart they could make 2 stars out of this instead of 1 by pulling the Razor Ramone/1-2-3-Kid angle. For once actually pull a surprise on the audience instead of a horribly predictable one.

Bad News Lariat
07-03-2012, 09:14 PM
Ryback just needs to destroy people. Their is a lot of squash-able talent for that guy to destroy. But, I like hearing the slow build for the guy...The major suggestion I have for him being a big thing, is having him destroy Sanito for that US Championship. Have that happen in the next month or so. Yea, it would be a face vs. face thing. Doing it real quick. Get the US title on him.

Have him destroy people left and right. Then give him that Royal Rumble win. After the Royal Rumble. Have him and the Big Show have a big match at the Elimination Chamber. Build that feud for a month or so. Start building it before the Rumble. Have Ryback eliminate Show at the rumble. Set up for the Elimination Chamber.

Have Ryback deliver the shock. I bet anything, the crowd will be going nuts... I have a feeling, John Cena will have the belt after the chamber. Next night on Raw. John Cena will be cutting a promo. Then Ryback's music hits. I'm sure the crowd will go nuts. Would be a good main event at Mania.

One corner, you have one of the most resilient superstars in WWE's history. 10 plus titles. In the other corner. The Killing Machine, Ryback! It's a good way to book this guy. Plus, you would be building the future. After the mania main event. You can have the... Who will defeat this machine known as Ryback.

It may sound like the Goldberg streak... Or a rip off if you think. But, it's a good way to build a product.

It's basically a rip-off of Goldberg. But why not? No one expects the WWE to do anything with Ryback. Put him in the MiTB match of some sort, having him win the briefcase, and then have a cash-in on a heel... HOT SHOT BOOKING AT IT'S BEST!

I'd like to seem squash folks like The Miz or Jack Swagger. It'd be fun to see him come out and just dominate someone... but I think I know the set up here.

Build Big Show up to be this unstoppable monster that no one can stop. Not even Cena can stop him. Have Show dominate for a few weeks... hurt peopl badly. Show ends up winning the WWE or WHC somehow, and then have Ryback come out with the MiTB briefcase and just overpower Show... and even having Ryback hit the Muscle Buster. Crowd goes nuts, Ryback's a champion and no one's worse for wear.

pepentorresHHH
07-03-2012, 11:00 PM
We just saw Ryback win a match against Curt Hawkins on Smackdown, and I know he has been on a streak as of late(pun intended) but he has only faced jobbers, except on this once occassion when he faced Camacho or Hunico, but the question is: Is Ryback going to start feeding off the main roster now?

What do you think? yes or no?

also, should he or should he go back to facing jobbers but now 3 like he scremed a few weeks ago or even four at a time? Creative still has time cause they could have Ryback vs Tyler Reks next week and then Curt Hawkinds and Tyler Reks the week after that?

Discuss.....

ckoneagain
07-04-2012, 11:44 AM
Ok, so on Smackdown last night we saw Ryback face Curt Hawkins which is obviously only a step up from two jobbers, but its a step all the same. I know it doesn't seem like much but to me it gave us a timeline. Whilst they had him facing tag team jobbers there was no idea when it would end as they got new ones every week, but with him facing Hawkins then the squash matches with no fued are numbered. They won't have him face the same guy twice and there's a limited number of jobbers to choose from, especially it they have him fighting twice a week. So my question, who will stop him in his tracks, will he keep rolling until they've no choice but to put him in the main event level or will someone in the mid-card fued with him first, which by definition would mean he'd likely have to lose to them at least once?

Wwechristianrocks1234
07-04-2012, 12:33 PM
I think they should make him on main event level and wrestle with Cena or punk or maybe Brodis clay that would be really interesting to watch . It gets old seeing him face against two skinny wrestlers he is not even proving that he is strong . If he went against Cena he could prove his strength.

TheLoneCharles
07-04-2012, 12:37 PM
The next logical opponent would be Tyler Reks, since he was wildly amused by his partner getting his ass handed to him.

Reks is a larger guy, and would be much more impressive if Ryback crushed him as opposed to guys my ex girlfriend could probably beat up.

No one is going to stop Ryback in his tracks, at least not yet. Actually, I have a theory they are building Big Show into an unstoppable Giant so it will look amazing when Ryback destroys him down the road.

Even with that said, I could watch Ryback crush jobbers all day...it's oddly pleasurable to watch a huge monster just destroy people....especially because he has a vast moveset and makes it look painfully believable.

ProWrestlingFan
07-04-2012, 01:13 PM
I could watch Ryback crush jobbers all day...it's oddly pleasurable to watch a huge monster just destroy people....especially because he has a vast moveset and makes it look painfully believable.

Ryback has like 2 or 3 moves which he uses in every match.

And yeah its very "interesting" and "entertaining" to watch a match whose outcome we already know. (sarcasm)

BTW Ryback has faced Heath Slater and Derrick Bateman before who weren't "jobbers" so its not a step up for Ryback.

JerichoHolic00
07-04-2012, 01:21 PM
Think @TheCurtHawkins would be mad if he knew the coin we tossed for the match was rigged? No worries, we're not done with @Ryback22 yet.

That's what Reks wrote on Twitter so I think they're building to a bit of a feud between Hawkins/Reks and Ryback.

Foshinzo
07-04-2012, 01:56 PM
I've got a feeling that Ryback is being saved up for a WrestleMania title win. I know that this may not be a popular theory, but I think they're just going to slowly build him through the entire roster, him never losing a match, and then he'll face a big heel at WrestleMania where he takes the WHC decisively.

Also, I could even see him holding both the IC and the WHC, at some point. Sort of the way Goldberg held the US and WCW Championship after he defeated Hogan.

I think at a big show like Survivor Series, he will win the IC and then compete for the other Smackdown title. One thing is clear to me, though: WWE is really in love with Ryback and he's going to get pushed to the moon, much harder than he even has been, so far.

Kizzani
07-04-2012, 02:02 PM
Yes, it is a step up for ryberg, a very small step on a very short ladder. Instead of fighting to nameless Jobbers he is now fighting 1 named Jobber that 1/5 of the wreslting fan population has ever heard of. Next step is Obviously Reks who he will destroy and then both hawkins and Reks.

Ryberg is on his way folks. Good thing Kevin Nash isn't running the show or Ryberg would lose to him at WM.

BillNyeQuil
07-04-2012, 02:18 PM
Ryback has like 2 or 3 moves which he uses in every match.

And yeah its very "interesting" and "entertaining" to watch a match whose outcome we already know. (sarcasm)

BTW Ryback has faced Heath Slater and Derrick Bateman before who weren't "jobbers" so its not a step up for Ryback.

You're not really watching, then. Ryback has a much bigger moveset than the typical beast type wrestler. And even if Ryback faces dudes like Tyler Reks and Mason Ryan, we know who will win. If he faces Christian or Cody Rhodes or Dolph Ziggler, we know who is going to win. That's just how he is being built. I think what you meant to say was "Yeah but I don't like Ryback so what you said doesn't matter to me."

Silverback
07-17-2012, 01:30 PM
Everybody in this thread just really believes everything that wrestling dirt-sheets publish, but you should know by now that backstage feelings are total bullshit and in fact I really don't think that "nobody" wants to work with him.

Ryback has showed a little bit more in the past two weeks and I'm enjoying his character by now, but it's obvious that he is going to be compared with other stars. Ryback is not Goldberg, the only thing they have in common are his bald heads, people are just stupid and that dumb believe me.

Jerry Lawler was straight edge even before CM Punk started to wrestle, so people should chant "King's" name every time they see Punk. A pointless similarity just like with Ryback. But being serious for just a moment, people start to chant "Goldberg" and "Boring" to him until he actually does his thing in the ring, because while the match is going on most of them actually "WOWs" when he hits his clothesline for instance. Add his powerful style to an awesome and credible look and victories after victories you'll have a big house-hold name. He will eventually attack someone relevant after a match just like Vladimir Kozlov did, but I think that his build up is a lot more stronger and people want to see if he is going to make it.

Since The Big Show, Kane and Mark Henry are in their last run WWE needs to legitimize their midcard and Ryback has a good chance to actually make it and I for one really want to see Randy Orton and Ryback facing off on SmackDown in the near future.

mdj2010
08-28-2012, 07:36 AM
After watching Ryback last night, it is easy to see why many of the bacjstage talent has been fearful of working with him. He rushes EVERYTHING, shows no attempts to protect the guys he is working with and hell, if you want to talk about specifics, he damn near broke Swaggers neck on Raw last night. Now, how can they continue to build a guy as a monster when he is unsafe in the ring? Sooner of later he will hurt someone badly with his wreckless approach to ring work.

So, I guess my question is, does anyone else think Ryback needs to be back on the training circuit rather than making weekly TV slots? To me, one guys push isn;t worth endangering the rest of the locker room. Let's face it, if Ryback didn't look like he did, he would be right out the door.

J.J.
08-28-2012, 07:58 AM
Yeah but you got to also question Brock Lesnar and Sin Cara in the ring. I'll further judge this after the conclusion to his feud with Jinder.

THTRobtaylor
08-28-2012, 08:28 AM
Swagger's face as he sat on the floor summed it up... Now had he done that to someone higher, he'd be gone, but Swagger's face told me "No point in complaining cos I'll be the one punished." This is a classic case of one of Vince's babies... unless he does actually kill or cripple someone he's here to stay...

Mustang Sally
08-28-2012, 08:56 AM
.... he damn near broke Swaggers neck on Raw last night.

That was scary. When a wrestler is upside down and in the air, it's totally up to his opponent to keep him safe. Swagger seemed to be instinctively thrusting his arms forward, which broke his fall. Otherwise, there would have been nothing between the top of Swagger's head..... and disaster.

We've had "monsters" in the ring before; guys who are supposed to scare the hell out of us with the almost "inhuman" tactics and punishment they dish out to opponents. But others are able to bring it off without risking the bodies of their foes. Look at Undertaker and Kane; they're monsters, yet they work so cleanly that they never seem to hurt anyone for real.

Hopefully, WWE won't take a reactive stand on this; leaving things as they are and reacting only after Ryback actually hurts someone badly. They've taught him a bunch of high-impact moves that make him look like a beast.....now, teach him to control those moves.

King Blitzkonic
08-28-2012, 09:11 AM
It's really easy to blame it all on Ryback, huh? I took three looks at that match, and Swagger CLEARLY sandbagged that back body drop. On that kind of spot, it's up to the OPPONENT to get enough air to complete the rotation, which Swagger did not. Just sayin'.

Rampage Bentley
08-28-2012, 09:57 AM
King Blitz is right.

Swagger sandbagged that moved. With a back body drop, it's the person taking it doing the work, your opponent is there for some extra leverage/air. Swagger is a big guy, and big guys tend to get lazy on that move.

mdj2010
08-28-2012, 10:03 AM
It's really easy to blame it all on Ryback, huh? I took three looks at that match, and Swagger CLEARLY sandbagged that back body drop. On that kind of spot, it's up to the OPPONENT to get enough air to complete the rotation, which Swagger did not. Just sayin'.

The problem is the position Ryback had his arms in, it caused Swagger to land vertically. This isn't due to Swagger's rotation at all. I watched it over and over and Ryback clearly doesn't help his lift AT ALL. The move isn't just one persoin doing a front flip is it? It requires assisatnce ad Swagger got NONE from Ryback.

The one thing I can agree with is that it is very easy to blame Ryback. As I said before, he rushes and it will end with someone getting hurt. He needs to slow down and enjoy the ride, becaus eat the moemnt, he is practically getting squashes against former heavyweight champs. RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!

King Blitzkonic
08-28-2012, 10:08 AM
The problem is the position Ryback had his arms in, it caused Swagger to land vertically. This isn't due to Swagger's rotation at all. I watched it over and over and Ryback clearly doesn't help his lift AT ALL. The move isn't just one persoin doing a front flip is it? It requires assisatnce ad Swagger got NONE from Ryback.

The one thing I can agree with is that it is very easy to blame Ryback. As I said before, he rushes and it will end with someone getting hurt. He needs to slow down and enjoy the ride, becaus eat the moemnt, he is practically getting squashes against former heavyweight champs. RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!

Oh I'm not absolving Ryback of all blame, but let's remember that it takes 2 to do a spot. LOL Let's also remember that Swagger was just a step above a jobber as world champion.

keehlnate
08-28-2012, 10:08 AM
I looked it about 7-10 times and I don't know why you put all the blame on Ryback. Swagger doesn't gave much momentum on that run and he wasn't able to flip his body the way it should be. Although Ryback might have miscalculated it since he is used on doing that move on lighter opponents.

And as for the OP's question on whether Ryback should go back in training, the answer is NO. Ryback is very much fine on where he is now.

FEED HIM MORE

IT Factor
08-28-2012, 10:22 AM
I watched that and instantly thought of ECW when Chris Benoit broke Sabu's neck. It was a botched back body drop as well and I felt bad for Swagger seeing that. For any fans actually paying attention to Ryback's matches, he almost did the exact same thing in his Smackdown match last week with Jinder Mahal. He rushed and didn't get the right speed or rotation with the back body drop, luckily Jinder didn't land like Swagger did. It seems to me like Ryback is used to lighter opponents and he is complacent in his confidence that he can lift anybody. He's not taking the weight difference into account and his matches are very sloppy.

What happens when Ryback starts feuding with upper card people? Because I'm sure WWE wouldn't take too kindly to Ryback injury a John Cena or CM Punk. I'd say keep Ryback against nobodies and away from any good workers as not to injury them. Or just release the untalented piece of crap. Either way, WWE should protect their workers by not allowing Ryback anywhere near the top of the card or mid-card guys.

THTRobtaylor
08-28-2012, 10:26 AM
I looked it about 7-10 times and I don't know why you put all the blame on Ryback. Swagger doesn't gave much momentum on that run and he wasn't able to flip his body the way it should be. Although Ryback might have miscalculated it since he is used on doing that move on lighter opponents.

And as for the OP's question on whether Ryback should go back in training, the answer is NO. Ryback is very much fine on where he is now.

FEED HIM MORE

So you have a guy who is considered one of the better workers on the roster, although his push doesn't reflect it running at a guy with a rep for not being safe. I'd be more than a little nervous. I have rewatched and ultimately with any spot like that the guy doing the "aggressor" part is responsible for the safety of the other (as in not dropping them dangerously which Ryback did).

I didn't see a failure on Swagger's part, he got up as best he could at the speed Ryback was trying to perform the move, which was way too fast. For a big guy who isn't usually ragdolled to take that kind of move it has to be done slower to get it right and SAFE.

I am sure Vince is telling guys like Reks to work at Rybacks pace to make him look more of a monster... I am also pretty sure that working with Ryback might have made Reks reconsider his career.

BillNyeQuil
08-28-2012, 11:03 AM
It's really easy to blame it all on Ryback, huh? I took three looks at that match, and Swagger CLEARLY sandbagged that back body drop. On that kind of spot, it's up to the OPPONENT to get enough air to complete the rotation, which Swagger did not. Just sayin'.

I completely agree here. The rotation is up to the guy doing the flip. It's up to the guy doing the running, because he uses his own momentum to shift himself over the opponent. Maybe Ryback could have given some extra push as well, but if anything that botch looks to be on both of them.

BigLuther
08-28-2012, 11:14 AM
First thing's first... you can't blame the botch back body drop on Ryback. There is responsibility for both men involved. The reason they push Ryback, regardless of stiffness (which is something he could be TOLD TO DO by the way) is because he gets a crowd reaction. It isn't often you can debut a brand new face who gets a reaction like Ryback does. I just saw him live a few nights ago and the place totally popped. I was shocked at how excited people were to see him. They'd be insane to pull him off TV now.

Ex-Degenerate
08-28-2012, 11:16 AM
Don't think Ryback is going anywhere, as he seems to be getting over with the crowd.

I can't see him as a main event guy anytime soon, but i think he'll keep piling on wins like he has been.

LegendKilla101508
08-28-2012, 11:49 AM
Yeah but you got to also question Brock Lesnar and Sin Cara in the ring. I'll further judge this after the conclusion to his feud with Jinder.

Sin Cara, yes. Brock Lesnar, no. How often does he botch moves? He was a pretty good worker in HHH's match and botched only one move in Cena's match, but that was probably due to Cena for pulling down the top rope.. Anyways, Ryback is a slopfest judging from that match last night...

LegendKilla101508
08-28-2012, 11:51 AM
First thing's first... you can't blame the botch back body drop on Ryback. There is responsibility for both men involved. The reason they push Ryback, regardless of stiffness (which is something he could be TOLD TO DO by the way) is because he gets a crowd reaction. It isn't often you can debut a brand new face who gets a reaction like Ryback does. I just saw him live a few nights ago and the place totally popped. I was shocked at how excited people were to see him. They'd be insane to pull him off TV now.

Then again, they pulled Zack Ryder off TV when he was getting huge pops...So, why not? Oh wait, he's a roided monster. So never mind, he's completely protected by WWE...

Pedigree1
08-28-2012, 11:51 AM
Ryback is strong as hell probably one of the strongest competitors i have seen in a long long time. That being said for fucks sake WWE teach this guy how to control his strength please. This guy is really gonna hurt someone bad if you dont. Ryback is Vinnie Macs typical perfect specimen.

He needs to learn some control but it does take two to tangle. Swagger was kind of lazy in taking that spot but most of the blame is on Ryback. I hope hope Ryback doesnt break someones neck teach this boy some control WWE.

As far as Swagger goes are you kidding me? This is a former Champion and MITB winner! Granted his run was not memorable at all but swagger does not deserve to job and job to everyone on the roster. The man is too fucking talented for this kinda of bullshit

The Dragon Saga
08-28-2012, 12:09 PM
Its already been stated, so I'll reiterate.

That wasn't Ryback's fault. On Twitter during the match, Shane (Hurricane) Helms was quick to point out it wasn't Ryback's fault, noting that Swagger had left his feet before Ryback could get up and under him or something along those lines, which messed with the "rotation" as some are saying of the back body drop. Ryback should gain some criticizm for not helping the situation, but he'd legitimately half a second to do so, which left him helpless.

As for the "pull Ryback from television" crap, that isn't happening. They've pushed him, hes gotten over, people find his matches entertaining, hes been with the company for several years and every time a crowd chants "Feed Me More," Ryback's star continues rising. If you believe Ryback deserves to be de-pushed, your an idiot and have little knowledge about how pro-wrestling booking works. You push what is working, you know what is working through crowd reaction, Ryback is gaining crowd reaction, therefore Ryback is most definitely working.

mdj2010
08-28-2012, 12:27 PM
If you believe Ryback deserves to be de-pushed, your an idiot and have little knowledge about how pro-wrestling booking works. You push what is working, you know what is working through crowd reaction, Ryback is gaining crowd reaction, therefore Ryback is most definitely working.

What you deserve and what you get are not always the same thing. Also, as for crowd reaction, you can't just pick and choose. He gets as many, if not more 'Goldberg' chants than 'Feed Me More' chants... is this his gimmick working? I'd hate to see it failing.

Also, pro-wrestling booking and the way the WWE 'write' their storylines are two different things. The age-old concept of booking is gone in the most visual form of the industry; just ask Jim Cornette.

Also, the irony of 'your an idiot' is simply fantastic!!!!

PowerHouse
08-28-2012, 12:35 PM
To the idiots on this forum who want to right away blame Ryback for the Swaggers crappy back body drop. Watch AGAIN!!!!!! Swagger gives a half assed hop. Ryback did what he could to try and make the move work. The Back body drop isn't all on Ryback to make the move work Swagger has to do his part and last night he didnt do his part to make the move happen how it should have. I really find it hilarious how some on here are convinced that Ryback is dangerous to work with. Because you heard on DIRT SHEETS that there was A RUMOR that people felt he was dangerous. Yet Vince McMahon loves this guy and wants him pushed. The same Vince who pulled Brodus Clay off TV about a year and a half ago cause he felt Brodus was to dangerous and was going to hurt someone and wanted him to refine his in ring skills befor putting him back on T.V. I hate to break it to many of you here who think you have all the answers and know everything. But Ryback is fine in the ring. Can someone please tell me when Swagger became considered one of the best workers?? Quite frankly Swagger isn't that good at all. Ryback is still improving is he great No but he is getting better and better.

♠ Spades ♠
08-28-2012, 12:36 PM
I see everyone here is either blaming Ryback or Swagger but maybe the fault lies on both sides. If Swagger had hit the turnbuckle in a different angle, maybe none of this would have happened, than again, maybe Ryback should have positioned himself better after Swagger hit the turnbuckle. I just feel that in situations like these, its a two way street, it takes two people to have a match.

rge2010
08-28-2012, 01:10 PM
But in the eyes of the large proportion of the IWC it has to be Rybacks fault? He's big, muscular, cant cut a promo and is getting pushed!!!!

Swagger on the other hand is a 'legit wrestler' with 'credentials'. It has to be Rybacks fault!!!

The Dragon Saga
08-28-2012, 01:14 PM
What you deserve and what you get are not always the same thing.

Not really. Daniel Bryan deserved to be a star, and now he is. CM Punk deserved to be WWE Champion, and now he is. John Cena deserves to the top guy, and now he is. Most people reek what they sow in pro-wrestling, Ryback deserves to be pushed based off the fact he is doing what WWE are telling him and its working. If you don't like him, don't watch him, simple.

He gets as many, if not more 'Goldberg' chants than 'Feed Me More' chants...

No he doesn't. He originally gained loud Goldberg chants, and why? Because most wrestling fans are fickle and believe they know all. What comparisons does Ryback have to Goldberg? Very few, but due to the fact he is bald, the manner of his push and how they share three moves, wrestling fans jump like idiots. Now they're getting behind him. There was a very feint "Goldberg" chant the past two weeks on Raw, there were very loud "Feed Me More" chants, if you believe the chants are of equal volume, much like you need to learn proper grammar, you need to get your ears checked.

Also, pro-wrestling booking and the way the WWE 'write' their storylines are two different things. The age-old concept of booking is gone in the most visual form of the industry; just ask Jim Cornette.

Ask Jim Cornette? Despite my fondness of Jim, he is pretty delusional. Most of what he says must be taken with a grain of salt due to his bitterness toward his former employer - and I'm a huge Ring of Honor fan, so it isn't easy for me to say that, but I live in reality. Modern pro-wrestling booking shows us all you need are the support of the fans. CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Sheamus, Randy Orton, Dolph Ziggler and others are prime examples. May take them a few goes, but once they connect with the audience, they're on a fast track to a successful career. Zack Ryder doesn't count however, as Zack Ryder plays an underdog character and having him win as much as they did last winter makes his character redundant. It's better to hold him back and rile fans up, cause he'll gain much more support.

Also, the irony of 'your an idiot' is simply fantastic!!!!

I agree, the irony being you attempted to take my comment out of context, but due to your lack of an education you used apostrophes instead of quotation marks. So allow me to reiterate by quoting myself, "your an idiot."

THTRobtaylor
08-28-2012, 01:20 PM
As I mentioned, both are to blame... but the problem is you are asking guys already wary of Ryback's safety to work fast spots as it's "his thing". At worst Swagger would be guilty of letting that wariness get the better of him.

WWE has been lucky in the last 25 years that the injuries that were most serious were not caused by people with bad reps. D.Lo, Owen being examples of guys who every talent trusted implicitly, and something still went wrong.

The last guy someone with a botch rep hurt someone was Jannetty on Charles Austin. That cost WWE $26m dollars...and Jannetty (who wasn't 100% to blame either as Austin was green and not properlly vetted) the best of his career. Swagger is not being pushed, but in terms of ability he is light years ahead of Ryback. He should be, he's been around 5 years longer!

So how does someone in that locker room approach this now? Reports were no one wanted to work with Ryback? After last night, that may well intensify. So WWE is then gonna have to start telling people to work with him, if they aren't already. That means IF or WHEN it goes wrong and they get hurt, it ain't 26m... more like $100m cos WWE didn't ensure their safety?

Do they say "erm no thanks" when they get slated for Ryback and get future endeavoured? Only to show up on all the talk shows when he kills or maims someone.

That moment summed up the risk. You can say Swagger has equal blame at best... but it illustrated that a) talent is not happy working with him and b) he is not safe enough for the speed he is trying to work. They are making safety an issue for the kids show, but what about on RAW? I was stunned nothing was done to Ziggler over Barrett's injury other than reward him (which was 100% Ziggler's fault and totally unsafe).

I don't hate Ryback, he could be a good member of the roster, but Vince is forcing it too hard, all it takes is one person to get hurt and Ryback is done.

DylanSnapp
08-28-2012, 01:27 PM
Clearly most of you don't know how a back body drop is executed. Ryback did his job. Bend down post on Swaggers thighs and lift. Swagger's job is to give a little hop, post high with his arms off Ryback's shoulders to the peak(for the highest drop) and flip. Allowing Ryback's arms on his thigh to help, a little, on the rotation. It's quite obvious Swagger didn't post off of Ryback's shoulders to get any height thus flying forward. Swagger's fault. Could've been an accident but it's still Swagger's fault.

johnnyvictory
08-28-2012, 03:48 PM
Went back and looked at the match, and that was a nasty backdrop. Swagger is lucky as hell. In wrestling you have to trust your opponent to keep you safe, and thats just not on Rybacks mind in his matches. He just wants the move to look powerful and for his opponent to take a big bump. They already kept him off TV because he was unsafe, and here we go again. It just sucks when the best performers are pushed aside for guys with "the look."

Miz_Mark
08-28-2012, 04:48 PM
Not really. Daniel Bryan deserved to be a star, and now he is. CM Punk deserved to be WWE Champion, and now he is. John Cena deserves to the top guy, and now he is. Most people reek what they sow in pro-wrestling, Ryback deserves to be pushed based off the fact he is doing what WWE are telling him and its working. If you don't like him, don't watch him, simple.



No he doesn't. He originally gained loud Goldberg chants, and why? Because most wrestling fans are fickle and believe they know all. What comparisons does Ryback have to Goldberg? Very few, but due to the fact he is bald, the manner of his push and how they share three moves, wrestling fans jump like idiots. Now they're getting behind him. There was a very feint "Goldberg" chant the past two weeks on Raw, there were very loud "Feed Me More" chants, if you believe the chants are of equal volume, much like you need to learn proper grammar, you need to get your ears checked.



Ask Jim Cornette? Despite my fondness of Jim, he is pretty delusional. Most of what he says must be taken with a grain of salt due to his bitterness toward his former employer - and I'm a huge Ring of Honor fan, so it isn't easy for me to say that, but I live in reality. Modern pro-wrestling booking shows us all you need are the support of the fans. CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Sheamus, Randy Orton, Dolph Ziggler and others are prime examples. May take them a few goes, but once they connect with the audience, they're on a fast track to a successful career. Zack Ryder doesn't count however, as Zack Ryder plays an underdog character and having him win as much as they did last winter makes his character redundant. It's better to hold him back and rile fans up, cause he'll gain much more support.



I agree, the irony being you attempted to take my comment out of context, but due to your lack of an education you used apostrophes instead of quotation marks. So allow me to reiterate by quoting myself, "your an idiot."

First of all, I agree with you on just about everything. Ryback was not to be blamed for this botched move, he's over like a bastard, he gets far more and louder Feed Me More chants than Goldberg chants, and I do not expect this to hinder him at all, nor to I think it should...

Having said that, mocking your detractor for using apostrophes makes you look like a monstrous jackass, because you entirely miss the point. It's "you're an idiot." Meaning you are an idiot. "your an idiot" means the idiot that belongs to you.

rvdangelhhh
08-28-2012, 05:10 PM
Holy Crap! I cannot stand the Jack Swagger character. I have really liked Ryback even though he is a blatant Goldberg ripoff. No problem. After seeing that backbody drop last night I found myself screaming at the tv: "What is wrong with you?! That man (Swagger) is a husband and a father!!!" I didn't see any remorse in Skipp's eyes either. He needs to go if he cannot take care of his opponents in the ring. Mick Foley always said that was one thing he always loved about working with HHH. The man knew how to take care of the guy he was performing with so they could make more money together in future matches.

closet_fan
08-28-2012, 05:11 PM
After watching Ryback last night, it is easy to see why many of the bacjstage talent has been fearful of working with him. He rushes EVERYTHING, shows no attempts to protect the guys he is working with and hell, if you want to talk about specifics, he damn near broke Swaggers neck on Raw last night. Now, how can they continue to build a guy as a monster when he is unsafe in the ring? Sooner of later he will hurt someone badly with his wreckless approach to ring work.

So, I guess my question is, does anyone else think Ryback needs to be back on the training circuit rather than making weekly TV slots? To me, one guys push isn;t worth endangering the rest of the locker room. Let's face it, if Ryback didn't look like he did, he would be right out the door.

I was watching that match and I was thinking that I wouldn't have been shocked to hear Swagger suffered a concussion. I know the mat is padded, but he was really slamming his head hard.

I don't pay attention to any of Ryback's matches. But after watching last night's, I don't blame anyone for not wanting to work with him. He's pretty bad.

And it's weird because the crowd seemed into him, but then the Goldberg chants started up again.

ultramattman
08-28-2012, 05:17 PM
What you deserve and what you get are not always the same thing. Also, as for crowd reaction, you can't just pick and choose. He gets as many, if not more 'Goldberg' chants than 'Feed Me More' chants... is this his gimmick working? I'd hate to see it failing.

If you want to see an example of this gimmick failing, look no further than Tensai. Dead quiet when he's in the ring. THAT is your gimmick failing. Who cares if some people are chanting 'Goldberg'? It's still reaction, and reaction means you care.

The crowd last night was going NUTS for Ryback. I couldn't believe how loud it was.

TheLoneCharles
08-28-2012, 06:22 PM
Watching it on TV, it looked very awkward before the move took place. Swagger seemed to lose speed as he approached Ryback and then Ryback did an awkward lifting motion. I always thought the execution of the back body drop is the person receiving it has to catapult themselves, and the person giving one helps with the launch. I think they both awkwardly timed the move.

The 1-2-3 Killam
08-28-2012, 08:18 PM
Miz misses one catch in a match, and immediately the "he's so unsafe, job his ass!" threads popped up. It happens every time there's a major botch that could have hurt somebody. Ryback is generally safe in the ring, and I'm not sure where you're getting your information about Superstars not wanting to work with him, but I've actually heard some pretty positive things coming from the locker room.

Remember when he was tossing around two guys at a time? Not a single injury report came out of those matches. He has no record of being hard to work with, stiff, or green in the ring. You're mistaking character and gimmick for wanting something to be wrong with him.

Swagger didn't help him a whole with that move; regardless that's probably the first time I've seen Ryback come close to hurting somebody. You want to talk about risk, why the hell is Sin Cara still out there? Even Brodus Clay is still a hell of a lot more green than Ryback.

His progression has been fantastic, and you're hearing the fan reception increase week after week. THat live crowd loved him last night! Now that they have the clothesline aligned with his "feed me more" chant, they'll have more to catch on to. I'm so sick of hearing "get this guy in a proper feud" or "who cares about jobbers?" That's the point, you're not supposed to care about the no-names he was being fed. All they needed to do was make it look like he's a powerhouse; they obviously succeeded. Then he finally got a short feud with an undercard tag team from NXT and Superstars, and defeated them. Then he got a short feud with Jinder Mahal, another NXT and Superstars guy that's been given a small push over there. And now he has a win over a midcard Raw talent and former US and World Champion.

The point of all the jobbers was to peak your interest BEFORE he started taking out recognizable talent. They're trying to avoid him getting over-used and the fans bitching about "jobbing" guys that "deserve his push". Ryback's build has been slow, classic and brilliant. He's not dangerous, and I'm excited to see where he goes.

Skinsley
08-28-2012, 09:22 PM
I watched that match with a friend today and I even said that Swagger would probably be the one to get in trouble for this match even though Ryback is clearly Green as grass.

Send him back to NXT for god sakes, or atleast let him practice with his next victim behind the scenes for a while...that match was ridiculous. (and the crowd said Marella and Slater was "boring"...one of the most solid matches on the card)

PowerHouse
08-28-2012, 09:53 PM
This thread is why the IWC is so looked down upon. We have people on this thread pretending to know more about Pro Wrestling and how things are worked in the ring than performers who do the moves. Some are saying Vince is pushing Ryback to hard and that Ryback belong on NXT. So now Vince doesnt know what he is doing. If you understand a back body drop you know Swagger screwed the move up for himself. Its not like Ryback didnt try to elevate him with the Back body drop. Then you have someone saying Ryback didnt even look concerned. Since when are they supposed to break character over something like that. Its not Rybacks job to break character and ask Swagger if he is ok in the middle of the ring. Goldberg ended Bret Harts career with a Superkick he didnt break character over it. Brock Lesnar nearly kill A train with an F5 he didnt break character over that. When Sid broke his leg in his match against Scott Stieneri didnt see Stiener break character and ask Sid how he was. Nash never looked concerned when he botched his powerbomb on The Giant in WCW and nearly broke his neck. Some of you CHILDREN need to step away from the keyboard and stop trying to analyze every move of Ryback and then act asif you know how he should be booked and where he should be.

Fact is he was brought back to TV cause once he healed from his injury cause they liked his in ring work. If he was dangerous he wouldn't be on RAW week in and week out or on Smackdown. Any performer can make a mistake, it doesn't make then dangerous to work with. If any of you here who think Ryback is dangerous were or are fans of Goldberg then you are a fan of the most dangerous and careless worker in a long time.

Vincent Michaels
08-28-2012, 10:01 PM
To me it looked like Swagger didn't even try to rotate his body in the air and land on his back, which was likely caused by a combination of him being too tall and not giving himself enough momentum to really go completely over Ryback's shoulder(he tried with a small jump beforehand but then he didn't leave himself enough room to do the full jump clean afterwards). You can even tell Ryback noticed this since he moved sideways with the throw so Swagger would have enough room to tuck his head in(which he did attempt), but he didn't have enough time so we got the akward landing. To me it was just a fluke thing and anyone who tries to use this to peg Ryback as "unsafe" and "green" is an idiot.

abarela067
08-28-2012, 11:16 PM
The botch was Ryback's fault completely... After he shot Swagger into the turnbuckle he failed to bend down low enough for Swagger to hop and get the rotation necessary to complete the back body drop successsfully... Also, its obvious that Ryback has gotten used to working with talent smaller than Swagger, with the exception of Reks... Ryback was working the match too quickly and trying to make himself look more powerful than he is.. He needs to take his time, especially when he workng with bigger superstars to ensure that spots are done correctly and safely..

HBsam31
08-28-2012, 11:52 PM
I just watched this a few times over and Ryback isn't the only one to blame here, but it didn't look like he gave any help at all. Ryback didn't get down low enough, and he didn't help much with his arms either. It was scary none the less. Instead of having him go back to training, maybe they just need someone to work with him a bit before his matches. I can't imagine what would have happened if he dumped Orton or Cena on their heads like that. I would hate to someone get seriously injured because of something like that happening.

richunclescrooge
08-29-2012, 12:08 AM
To me this looks like Ryback's fault. People can say whatever they want but I'll call it like I see it.

Ryback got fully under Swagger, that was perfectly fine. Swagger posted on Ryback's back, again so far so good.

Then Swagger gets in the air and Ryback has his hands on Swagger's thighs, Ryback is standing straight up but his elbows are still at his sides! Swagger has no support and is basically holding himself up.

At that point I can only assume in Swagger's head he was thinking that he was not going to get any kind of help with the rotation, so he let his hands go to protect himself on the fall down. Good thing he did too.

Once Ryback starts to give Swagger a bit of a boost he also turns 90 degrees toward the camera. It seems he realized he was not able to get Swagger fully up in the air but tries to help him with the rotation as he is going down.

Conclusion: Ryback should have given Swagger a bigger boost much earlier for him to be able to get full rotation in the backdrop.

CuddleBuns84
08-29-2012, 01:08 AM
Well first and foremost....

This isn't the first time a botch move like that occurred. If you take a look at Taker vs. Kane WM 20. You will notice 3/4 of the match a similar mistake. Oh yea... Kane and Taker are consider two of the best workers in the industry.

It's a simple botch, where yes. Two are to blame. But no need to quit feeding him. He needs some meaningful feuds. Hell, he has more TV time then the US title holder. Strap that thing on, and let him destroy.

The crowd is enjoying, and you will have a more credible mid-card title.

lazeric
08-29-2012, 01:42 AM
Like everybody else I too watched the match and I do agree with the majority of ppl who put the blame on both guys. A back body drop is a dangerous move in its self but adding in the fact that Jack is a bigger guy and Ryback is used to fighting muppet babies it adds so much more danger to the move. As far as sending Ryback down to train more IMO that's a severe case of character suicide. For all his flaws the guy is in the top 10 of most over guys in the WWE and to take him off tv now would destroy all of his current momentum. I think he just needs some in ring time with some who can groom him. A veteran like Finlay, Goldust, or William Regal would be perfect as a mentor because they are great teachers and can so him how to safely operate in the ring.

Fansince1992
08-29-2012, 01:59 AM
Simple answer , they could just stop Ryback using a Backdrop against his opponents. Give Ryback a move like a Gorilla Press Slam instead. Ryback has the size and strength to do this move on any size opponent (well maybe not Big Show or Great Khali) I think this move is a lot safer than a Backdrop, and it looks and suits someone like Ryback a lot more than a Backdrop.

If you saw when Ryback faced Jinder Mahal. The Backdrop on Mahal was executed perfectly. Jinder seemed to put a lot more effort into the move than Swagger did. Maybe Ryback got complacent and thought Swagger would do the same. Swagger looked Knackered when he hit the turnbuckle before the backdrop. Ryback may of winded him and Swagger wasn't ready to take the backdrop at that moment.

MrMojoRisin
08-29-2012, 10:42 AM
It almost looked to me like Swagger wasn't expecting a backdrop at that moment. He's selling the throw into the turnbuckle a little, and Ryback's there within a couple of steps to backdrop him. It just seems like an odd time to be doing that spot. It's hard for the guy getting thrown to build any momentum when they're in that close.

He did the same in close backdrop with Mahal a week earlier, but Mahal's a lot lighter than Swagger and it's easier to do that move in tight against a lighter guy. I'm thinking Ryback just thought he could handle the heavier Swagger easier than he was actually able to.

Swagger could have helped himself better, but again, I don't think he's expecting that spot until the last moment when he sees Ryback put his arm up in the air to call it.

I'm chalking that up to bad spot calling on Ryback's part, although in fairness to him, he's been working with much lighter guys for months now, and probably just thought he could do more than he actually can. Lesson learned and at least no one was hurt.

MINISTRYrising
08-29-2012, 11:24 AM
I think everybody has a good point on this one. its not just Rybacks fault, but at the same time Ryback needs to be thinking a bit more before peforming these moves. So going back and getting a bit more training would not hurt. Have him Get taken out by Big Show then after a few months have him come back bigger and better then before.

The Dragon Saga
08-29-2012, 11:32 AM
I think everybody has a good point on this one. its not just Rybacks fault, but at the same time Ryback needs to be thinking a bit more before peforming these moves. So going back and getting a bit more training would not hurt. Have him Get taken out by Big Show then after a few months have him come back bigger and better then before.

Yeah.

Take him out of action, derail the reactions hes been getting, stop the "Feed Me More" chants dead in their tracks and kill any momentum the Ryback character has. That right there is obviously the intelligent, sensible and smart thing to do. Sense the sarcasm there?

PowerHouse
08-29-2012, 11:36 AM
I think everybody has a good point on this one. its not just Rybacks fault, but at the same time Ryback needs to be thinking a bit more before peforming these moves. So going back and getting a bit more training would not hurt. Have him Get taken out by Big Show then after a few months have him come back bigger and better then before.

You do realize that Ryback is in the middle of a PUSH!!!!!! They are not going to have Big Show take him out over a messed up Back body drop that wasnt entirely his fault. Mishaps happen in Pro wrestling to even the best workers. It happens you people need to give the whole Ryback needs more training a rest. If ryback needs more than so does Swagger cause he was just as much at fault.

mdj2010
08-29-2012, 12:11 PM
I agree, the irony being you attempted to take my comment out of context, but due to your lack of an education you used apostrophes instead of quotation marks. So allow me to reiterate by quoting myself, "your an idiot."

I took nothing out of context. It is 'you're', not 'your', you idiot! Also, you should probably learn the various uses of apostrophes and the manner in which they can and should be utilised in place of quotation marks, because you clearly stopped paying attention in school.

Also, my first class honours degree prooves you wrong about a lack of education, kid!

Furthermore, deciding to quote your incorrect use of language a second time only cements the clear fact that YOU'RE an idiot! Then again, look where you are from. What should anyone expect.

Mike D
08-31-2012, 02:07 AM
I can't figure out why they waste all this time on this guy . As Op mentioned he can not even properly backdrop a guy ; he doesn't bend over enough , stands up too fast and grabs the guys HIPS (which prevents the opponent from easily turning ) . Thank goodness Swagger is actually good in the ring or else .

He also has the ring awareness of a first month student , not an almost 8 year wwe wrestler His balance is very bad as well , as he triped up swagger early .

Go back and watch this past mondays match, Ryback is feeding swagger for a simple first week learned Bodyslam..he doesn't even know where to place his hands , lol.

The week prior he went for a false pin WITH HIS BACK FACING AWAY FROM THE CAMERA, which is a huuuge no no in wwe .

Fans will chant or follow for the primary reason that they paid their money to enjoy a show . Participating in set up spots on the show is fun... like the wave at a baseball / football game . Does anyone really care about the wave ? But it's fun for the seconds it last and you paid money to have FUN ...

All this , coupled with his wellness failures, injuries makes him a worthless investment , in my opinion . I would rather Jinder , Swagger , Ryder get the push

Mike D
08-31-2012, 02:17 AM
It almost looked to me like Swagger wasn't expecting a backdrop at that moment. He's selling the throw into the turnbuckle a little, and Ryback's there within a couple of steps to backdrop him. It just seems like an odd time to be doing that spot. It's hard for the guy getting thrown to build any momentum when they're in that close.



Coming off a buckle for a backdrop is one of the oldest spots in the book . It's actually better than the ropes , as the ropes can throw guys off balance .

Ryback is just not a good wrestler , and he really doesn't seem too strong since his debut. A few weeks back he hardly was able to Powerslam Swagger , who's true weight is around 245 not billed 260 . We've even seen him struggle to press very light jobber guys .

Final Form Snyper.
08-31-2012, 02:20 AM
This isn't painting or anything of that risk level. This is Professional Wrestling. Accidents happen and people WILL get hurt. What happened here was a case of both wrestlers being to blame. Swagger dramatically decreased his speed and momentum when he rebounded off the turnbuckle. So part of the blame was Swagger not committing to the bump. The other part of the blame rests firmly on Ryback's shoulders and the part of fault that was his is that he almost seemed to back out last second and not support the weight correctly and in turn he was left unbalanced and had to correct.

Anyway though, the reaction of this is case of massive overreaction and also trying to find something to make a massive deal over. The facts are that people do get hurt in this game. That's the reality.

enviousdominous
08-31-2012, 07:53 AM
When you push someone like they've pushed Ryback, you have no choice but to keep it going until he hurts someone. I'm sure that he's determined to not permanently injure his opponents.

I think it's a dumb gimmick that will end up paying homage to the career of Vladimir Koslov eventually, but for now I'll just ooh and aah like everyone else while he's allowed to stomp over the lowercard talent for the next two years.


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Shotaro
08-31-2012, 08:09 AM
Did Jack Swagger Sandbag? probably - looks a little bit like he did.

Does that excuse Ryback of all blame? It's all about perspective.

When Bob Holly got his neck broken by Lesnar it was Bob's fault, he bagged a rookie who didn't know how to deal with it - it's not uncommon practice. Lesnar had been wrestling for what? Three, four years at that point?

The key difference is this, Ryback is NOT a rookie, he's been in and out of the WWE for over ten years, he didn't get enough lift and then he did nothing to help Swagger out after the fact. It was a bad botch and WWE frankly needs to do something about it now rather than waiting for someone to get injured.

theBec2101
08-31-2012, 09:57 AM
He just needs a match with Orton. One of two things will happen. He will learn to perform better and more safely or be fired like Kennedy was. I dont really care for what they are going with him anyway.

ThatOneDude
08-31-2012, 07:03 PM
I Respect Ryan Reeves as a person and he has been in the game for a long time now paying his dues ,I Respect that but he should not be on tv or getting a push what so ever unless they were doing with him what they did with Bock Lesnar at first but since they are not doing that they need to throw him back to FCW/NXT or wherever, he's not ready and his in ring skills are very sloppy.

TJWWE
09-01-2012, 08:24 AM
With the 'E building up Ryback slowly (& by slowly, i mean even slower than a snail) and with Big Show not really doing anything at the minute, I don't know about any of you, but I would like to see a Ryback vs Show feud, I know that not much personality would be involved but I would love to see Ryback 'Shell Shock' Big Show and become the victor..

What do you think?

Rich the UK WWE Fan
09-01-2012, 10:02 AM
With the 'E building up Ryback slowly (& by slowly, i mean even slower than a snail) and with Big Show not really doing anything at the minute, I don't know about any of you, but I would like to see a Ryback vs Show feud, I know that not much personality would be involved but I would love to see Ryback 'Shell Shock' Big Show and become the victor..

What do you think?

No chance, Ryback isn't even in Big Show's league IMO, let him stick to what he's good at, squashing no name jobbers, until Vince or HHH gets bored and Ryback is eventually "future endeavoured".

mesl
09-01-2012, 10:53 AM
If Ryback could march around with The Big Show on his shoulders and deliver a decent looking 'shell shocked'.. I would be pretty impressed.

In a perftect world... Ryback has finally (just) developed a little bit of a reaction with the fans, and The Big Show is on the tail end of his 'heel' run.. It would be now or never to go ahead with a feud.. Give Ryback a quick shock domination(overpowering), then a single full match between the two. Have Ryback go over semi-clean possibly with a little 'distraction' from a 3rd party. Nice rub for Ryback, giving show an easy out with the 3rd man.

But this won't happen... Ryback is too rough in ring and has too many jerky double actions in his delivery (even with smaller wrestlers). With somebody like The Big Show (who does have marketable value), Ryback is too much of a risk and A). It would result in an injury... or B). Would result in a dissapointing botch.

HBKistheHOF
09-01-2012, 10:55 AM
I'm kind of biast I quess because I think Big Slow is EASILY the worst thing on WWE programming (especially for being main event/top-midcard level) and one of the most overrated workers currently. I didn't care for him as a face but his heel run has been boring, stale, & POINTLESS. Unless he starts putting over some young talent, he has done nothing but lose and complain, what a shocker?!?!?!

But I would like to see Show & Ryback. I don't know why Ryback is fueding with the waste of space, Jinder Mahal. I quess I get the idea, with Mahal he looks like the star carrying things, instead of the other way around if he was working a veteran. I like the idea of a quick powerful victory over Show for a nice rub.

Either way I think everyone wants to see Ryback clash with some Top-Tier (Basically Non-Rookie or anyone better than Mahal) talent that is bigger and could give a Hogan/Andre, Luger/Yokozuna, Lesnar/Show, etc. feel. Persoanlly I would like to see him face these men (in order from what I want see most to least.):
-Ryback/Brock Lesnar
-Ryback/Sheamus
-Ryback/John Cena
-Ryback/Mark Henry
-Ryback/Tensai
-Ryback/Wade Barrett
-Ryback/Kane
-Ryback/Brodus Clay
-Ryback/David Otunga
-Ryback/The Great Khali
-Ryback/Mason Ryan

sanefan_har
09-01-2012, 11:00 AM
I thought about it too, but reports on how he's a terrible in ring worker doesn't make Show seem as a smart choice for a feud. That's probably why they're "feeding him" Mahal. even if kinder jinder gets injured, no one would care.

THTRobtaylor
09-01-2012, 11:26 AM
The problem is, is that he has been in developmental since 2005... If he STILL isn't up to standard safety wise then he's a bust. Others have been canned with far fewer opportunities. I get that Vince want's a new "Goldberg" type dominant guy and he fits that. but not at the expense of hurting people and risking their safety. They should have made Ryback a masked character... that way someone like Mason Ryan could have stepped in...

Ashw825
09-01-2012, 12:57 PM
Was thinking the exactly the same thing. I personally love Ryback and think that he has a very bright future in the WWE. However, after watching his match with Swagger on RAW and the horrible way he threw Swagger, I can understand peoples concerns with him. A feud with Big Show though is definitely something to build to because even though I don't want to see Big Show around the main event, they have done the right thing to build him up as a monster heel because when someone does beat him, cleanly (notice I don't think anyone since his turn has straight up beat him clean yet. I'm probably wrong) it will mean something. But yes, this would be something that would definitely help Ryback

mikde_
09-01-2012, 01:57 PM
i personally would not like to see a feud between Ryback and Show but i do agree that it probably will happen somewhere down the line.

I think Ryback should continue going the way he is before stepping up to bigger opponents. Both show and ryback are not the best workers the wrestling world has ever seen and i dont think Big Show has the talent to carry a match with Ryback and in turn make him look good. Putting Ryback in there with show at the moment will just highlight Ryback's flaws in my opinion and thats not something you want to do with a young talent that you are trying to push to the moon.

Just carry on letting Ryback work with smaller guys that are talented enough to make him look unstoppable and when he is at a higher level and he has sort of honed his craft and moveset then let him loose on the bigger guys.

Dagger Dias
09-01-2012, 02:10 PM
Ryback VS Big Show is not really a feud I would be interested in seeing. Luckily, I doubt it will happen anytime in the near future. Ryback is still facing guys like Jinder while Big Show has been busy whining about how he should be in the title matches. They are still too far apart in terms of placement on the card for the feud to happen anytime soon. By the time it happens (if it even does), Ryback would be more established so perhaps it would not be as boring as it would be now.

It would mainly depend on how much Ryback can improve in the ring between now and then. Big Show is incredibly boring as a heel and Ryback needs someone who can put on a good match against him. Big Show is not that guy. The promos wouldn't be anything to write home about either. Even if Big Show were a face during the feud it would likely not be that great. I cannot see a halfway decent match between those two being possible. If a feud is not going to produce good matches then it is simply not worth putting onscreen.

Headman
09-01-2012, 04:45 PM
Big Show could put Ryback over big time if he let him no sell the WMD. This is a rivalry I'd actually like to see. And I'm not really a fan of either of these guys at the moment.

King of the Words
09-01-2012, 04:55 PM
I see this being a potential opening match at Mania 29. Would love to see Ryback beat bigger guys like Tensai, Kane, Ryan, Zik, Henry, to lead up to his biggest test, The Big Show at Mania. I think this could be the feud that puts Ryback on the map and starts him feuding for titles. Hopefully he gets more trustworthy in the ring and doesnt blow his big chance of being a future heavyweight champion. Love the idea of this feud happening down the road, but not too far down the road.

CanadianDeviant
09-01-2012, 05:11 PM
Am I the only one who likes watching Ryback abusing a bunch of bums week to week knowing that he will be reckless, win, and deliver some impressive power moves.
Enjoy Ryback for what he is, Goldberg 2.0. Goldberg got over, Ryback is following the same path, let him do what he does best. People are enjoying the show

Jack-Hammer
09-01-2012, 05:55 PM
While it's not really a feud that I'm all that interested in seeing, I do think that it could be a good use of both men at some point in the near future.

Big Show doesn't seem to have anything going on right now. He's out of the WWE Championship picture, though I don't really expect him to stay out of it for too long. I think that WWE could possibly turn it back into a threeway feud with Show, Punk & Cena as a means of keeping them from having too many one on one matches together. After Show's presence there is finished, I could see him moving onto feud with Ryback.

It wouldn't be a classic but at least it would give Ryback real competition against a legit star in the company. Ryback has looked like a beast but, let's face it, there's definitely only so much you can do with putting him in there against jobbers like Jinder Mahal. Also, with the WWE definitely taking the Goldberg route with Ryback, the means there's not going to be a ton of character development going on. This isn't the late 90s and the Goldberg treatment isn't getting eaten up in this day & age as it did back then. Ryback's starting to get a pretty decent response, but he needs something to really get the fans to invest in him on some sort of emotional level beyond "damn, this guy looks like a beast" concept.

Putting him in a feud with Big Show puts him against someone that he's not going to just plow through with little resistance. Portraying Show as a major threat to Ryback could possibly get fans behind him on an emotional level that they haven't yet. Show's a big monster heel and having a big monster heel beating the snot out of you is a good way of getting fans behind you. That's especially true if you take it to the big monster heel courageously.

Personally, when & if he ever makes his return, I think I'd prefer to see Mark Henry feud with Ryback. If they keep Henry with the same sort of persona that he's had over the last year or so, it could be entertaining.

CanadianDeviant
09-01-2012, 06:27 PM
I say let Ryback dominate until it looks like he can't get any more momentum by beating chumps and then start handing him reasonable competition then.
He is different than most faces - he is a monster face. Most faces get support by being beaten up and antagonized by heels. Ryback's appeal is that he beats the crap out of everybody. Watching him struggle won't have the same effect. The fact that he looks unbeatable is his draw, just like Goldberg. Once Goldberg lost, so was his aura

ccotreau1
09-02-2012, 12:26 PM
I am interested to see Ryback get less sloppy in the ring and do more in terms of mic work before throwing him to someone like the Big Show, honestly, but eventually I would not mind them do battle

shrimc
09-02-2012, 07:17 PM
That would be feeding him more lol. I see Ryback working his way up starting at Survivor Series vs Brodus Clay, TLC vs Mark Henry in a tables match, Kane at the Royal Rumble, Khali at EC and finally Big Show at WM and in a WM 3 moment hits a shell shock (setting Show up at the corner first similar to how Joe sets up a musclebuster) and gets the pin.

However if by Survivor Series he is still too dangerous with his power moveset, either release him or sent him back to FCW and give a less power based moveset, similar to how HHH does few power moves even though he's jacked, and change his look name and gimmick to make sure he is unrecognizable as Ryback, unlike Prince A-Tensai.

The 1-2-3 Killam
09-03-2012, 01:56 AM
They have to be really careful with how they build Ryback in the next few months. I do think the idea of putting him (as a face, assuming that's what he is now?) up against the currently heel Big Show is great, and even necessary. But right now, it's much too soon.

Beating up Jinder Mahal has to be considered a stop up (albeit a small one) from local jobbers. Jack Swagger is another step, although Ryback did defeat Mahal once again on this week's Smackdown. He may well go on to mini-feud with both of them over the next weeks; regardless you have to look at who's next. THey can't go back to locals, and at this point they're going to need to start developing small stories because only more legitimate challenges lie ahead.

The next logical step in my opinion are Hunico and Camacho. Two guys at the same level as Jinder Mahal; the only difference is just that, TWO GUYS. It's a chance for Ryback to show off his multi-tasking skills yet again, this time with opponents we might actually want to see him defeat. Leave Epico & Primo alone, the tag division doesn't need any more de-legitimization right now. I wouldn't mind seeing a short feud with Drew McIntyre, for both of their sake.

I think Survivor Series might be the time you give Ryback his first shot at a US or IC Championship. Book him against The Miz or Antonio Cesaro with the belt on the line at one of the WWE's biggest events of the year. That'd be a perfect way to gauge if his character is truly coming along. Of course he can't go over either of those two right now, nor can he lose a match. So you simply have the next guy to actually feud with him force the disqualification in Ryback's favor. Tensei or Ezekiel Jackson seem like logical choices to me.

Draw that out for a month or two, having Ryback go over no matter what the heels try to throw at him. Classic booking; backwards from what the WWE is used to these days. He doesn't need a belt, and giving him one might actually be a mistake. His character can be predictable, and still be highly entertaining; title matches, not so much. Plus, you have to worry about somebody needing to beat him at some point, and the real potential for over-exposure.

Big Show is a great choice for a feud though. But it needs to happen towards the very end of Ryback's push to the main event. If anything, that could be what finally triggers the shift. Ryback has beaten the entire lower and mid card, hell...he's beaten two guys at the same time. Maybe three at one point or anything, who knows? But can he defeat the 500 pound, 7-foot giant? Imagine if Ryback could get Big Show up for his finisher! That would be a great moment, and I think by that point the fans would be completely behind him. So yes to your question, but I'm thinking WrestleMania or this time next year, at the earliest.

MINISTRYrising
09-03-2012, 01:34 PM
This would be the Perfect feud for Ryback to pick up his first loss. I would have Ryback beat Show a couple of times before he finally loses it and attacks Ryback backstage. After this a hurt Ryback would come out to the ring and challenge The Big Show to a match. Show would accept the challenge and after hitting a hurt Ryback with Two WMD'S, Bigshow would get the pin and the victory over Ryback and would lead to a great rematch in my opinion.

CrucifiedRaven
09-03-2012, 05:59 PM
Ryback could barely lift Swagger.
How is he going to lift Show? He's booked as a monster... but he's actually short and stocky... and looks terrible against bigger competition.
There's also nothing explosive about him like there was with Rhyno or Goldberg. Their spears/gores are what got them over because they exploded through people and looked DEVASTATING.

CM Steel
09-18-2012, 03:18 AM
So after this weeks RAW it looks like Bill Goldberg clone Ryback is next in line to face the Miz for the WWE IC championship. But what if Ryback defeated the Miz for the IC strap does he go on to win a WWE world title while holding the IC title? Because like Goldberg in WCW during his mega push, Ryback is undefeated. Therefore does he stay undefeated going towards a world championship in the E?

Goldberg held the WCW U.S. title at the same time that he won the WCW title from Hollywood Hulk Hogan in Atlanta, GA. So could Ryback be going down the same road as Ryback championship wise? The WWE hasn't had a duel champion in a long while now. And it looks if Ryback can be that next superstar to do such a thing.

Like back in the day when the Ultimate Warrior won the WWF championship from Hulk Hogan at Wrestlemania 6 in Toronto, ON as the WWF IC champion. I mean when was the last time have we've seen something like that?

So could Ryback be the NEXT one??

Noticeably F.A.T.
09-18-2012, 03:24 AM
I guess it's a possibility, but I think the gap of time between winning the IC Title and winning the WWE Title would be lot longer than any of the others you've mentioned so it's highly unlikely that he'd still be IC Champ that long. I have very little doubt that Ryback will be World Champion one day, but he's nowhere near ready for it yet.

xXxTheDevilGodxXx
09-18-2012, 05:32 AM
He needs one hell of a push if he's going to be the WWE champion from where he is now. He would have to pull a Sheamus probably. As for being a double champion- especially to be holding both the IC and WWE titles, is a huge stretch. I'm sure that Ryback will be a World Champion sooner or later, but I really don't see him being IC Champion, or even U.S. Champion, at that time. He'll have lost at least one match by then I think.

The Fabulous Rougeau's
09-18-2012, 08:50 AM
I hope his upcoming fued with Miz is long and not just Ryback winning the title at HIAC.

If it were up to me, I would have different spots like what we saw on Raw last night between the two, coupled with Miz interfering in some Ryback matches. I would avoide having them fight for the title at HIAC and hold that match off till Survivor Series, or have teach guy captain their own team against each other. Then If it were a one on one match I would have Ryback win by DQ or if a Survivor Series match have Ryback's team win. Then at the December ppv, I would have a tag match that involves Ryback and Miz. Ultimatly, I would have it end at the Rumble with Ryback winning the title. This also keeps him out of the Rumble match itself so they don't have to worry about what to do with Ryback in that match.

Soulblazed
09-18-2012, 08:53 AM
Nah..It's too soon for Ryback to be a dual champion, much less a champion only holding one belt...Give him time..No use to throw him the IC/US Titles just because he's Ryback..Sometime next year after he learns to wrestle long matches/sell, etc, THEN give him a shot..But now is way too soon for Ryback to win any titles

George Steele's Barber
09-18-2012, 09:10 AM
*dual, not duel

No, I am not even sure if Ryback will take the IC Title off the Miz let alone get a world title simultaneously. He has a nice streak going but it hasn't exactly been against top talent. His biggest problem are the stupid fans and their Goldberg chants. It makes it seem like the fans are being disengenuous. If I were WWE I would really question whether it was worth supporting a guy that others take as a clone.

Fire Marshall Bill
09-18-2012, 09:42 AM
*dual, not duel

No, I am not even sure if Ryback will take the IC Title off the Miz let alone get a world title simultaneously. He has a nice streak going but it hasn't exactly been against top talent. His biggest problem are the stupid fans and their Goldberg chants. It makes it seem like the fans are being disengenuous. If I were WWE I would really question whether it was worth supporting a guy that others take as a clone.

Yeah but you're also talking about the same guys who boo every face, cheer every heel because those are apparently the only interesting guys in wrestling, and, if they're a member on a wrestling forum, have that classic Fave 5 of 4 heels and 1 internet darling, who's also likely a heel too. You're not going to change those morons. They're stuck in a reality where they can't see that without faces, their precious heels are meaningless. Plus, when those guys (because let's face it, it's entirely a male crowd doing those chants) aren't chanting "Goldberg," he gets a lot of "feed me more" chants from everyone else.

Plus, how many wrestlers nowadays aren't far off from a clone of someone? Miz is practically Jericho. Swagger is Angle. Ziggler is almost Flair minus the mic skills.

Frankly, I think what would help Ryback is a loss. HIAC is a great way to do it too, because who's going to look weak getting pinned after being beaten with a chair, or a pipe or whatever weapon at the end of a long match in a cell? They could go another route and have him lose by countout in a normal match, but a match with weapons is such an easy opportunity to get a clean loss and it not hurt the loser. Have Miz beat him at HIAC. Maybe win by DQ in their next match, and by match 3 Ryback takes the title. I don't see him becoming a dual champion anytime in the future, but a midcard title is not a bad thing for him if booked properly. There in lies the hard part for WWE.:shrug:

rokuma
09-18-2012, 10:12 AM
I like the idea of him being a dual champion....just not the IC/World titles...

Wouldn't it be nice if Ryback unified the IC and US titles after a lengthy feud with Miz and one with Cesaro? One midcard title is enough...if WWE is desperate, bring back the European Title or the TV Title for the lower midcard. This would also give Ryback credibility (a minor version of Jericho's "First unified WWE champion" moniker that gave him credibility) and makes him an uppercard player.

Jack-Hammer
09-18-2012, 10:17 AM
I'm glad to see that they're finally going to put Ryback in what looks to be his first real feud. That being said, I just hope that they don't book Miz to come out looking like a total chump.

I like Miz, the guy works hard and I think he's entertaining. He's someone that's got too much talent all in all to just simply be fed to Ryback just for the purpose of slapping a title onto him.

I know Vince likes Ryback but, in my eyes, he's not ready to be a champion. As I alluded to, Miz is someone that'll be his first real test and just having Ryback come off as this unstoppable, invulnerable human juggernaut isn't going to do him any favors in the long run. That aspect of his character is already getting tiresome so just having him decimate Miz won't progress Ryback any further and will only serve to weaken Miz.

As for being a dual champion, I don't see it. Ryback is someone that I do think has a lot of potential. He has a great look and he's athletic for a man of his size and build. He has a lot of intensity and based on what I've seen & heard in the past, he can be pretty decent on the mic. I don't look for him as a guy that's going to be the next "face" of WWE and the next "face" of the company I think will be the guy to hold a main event and mid-card title simultaneously.

BigLuther
09-18-2012, 11:28 AM
Well if this feud is going to happen, Ryback ABSOLUTELY has to win the belt or else all his build has been for nothing. If his first loss is to The Miz in a title match, Ryback will be ruined and he becomes just another guy. Ryback with the IC belt brings us back to the old school days where the IC champion was seemingly next in line for a World title opportunity. If Ryback comes out and has a 6-12 month IC title reign, he should get a World or WWE title shot while still holding the IC belt. If he were to win it, I'd like to see him just drop the IC belt and have them hold a tournament for a new champion while Ryback is on top.

King Patrick
09-18-2012, 12:19 PM
Ryback could definitely be the next WWE Dual Champion. I do not think he should hold the Unified WWE World Tag Team Titles by himself. That would be horrible for Tag Team Wrestling. I also do not think he should hold the WWE or World Titles just yet as well. He’s not ready.

The thing is, in history, whenever there is a dual Champion with one of the Titles being a World Title, the Champion tends to drop the lower Title. Ultimate Warrior dropped the Intercontinental Title after winning the WWE Title. Goldberg dropped the United States Title after winning the WCW Title. Triple H dropped and retired the Intercontinental Title after unifying it with his World Title.

In order for this to be as effective as possible, showing Ryback’s “pure dominance”, I believe he should win the Intercontinental Title from the Miz as soon as possible. Then maybe in about 6 months, win the United States Title, instead of the WWE Title or World Title. One could assume he would retire the United States Title, but if the WWE were smart, they would let him run with both, defending one at a time, or even, on some occasions, defend both together, or even defend them both against two competitors simultaneously. For example, Ryback vs. John Cena for the United – Continental Titles, or Ryback vs. The Miz for the Intercontinental Title and Antonio Cesaro for the United States Title. They can get really creative here…if they want to.

xavyer
09-18-2012, 01:12 PM
I see that people are compairing Ryback's undefeated streak with Goldberg's, i was not a big WCW fan, but Goldberg had credible oponents, and his matches were entertaining, and also he also had talent, but Ryback? Seriously? He's undefeated, but look at 95% of his matches, all against really skinny jobbers that have absolutly no talent at all, his more or less relevant matches were against Jinder Mahal, Heath Slater and Curt Hawkins, other than that, what exactly has he proove? That he can march in the ring? i'm sorry, but unless he can pull a miracle, i don't see Ryback going pass mid card.......

UFOcalling
09-18-2012, 03:55 PM
In my opinion, Ryback could easily remain undefeated in the WWE for a long stretch (just like Goldberg did in WCW). With Ryback's budding attempt to win Miz's Intercontinental Title, it looks like Ryback could be the IC Champ within a matter of weeks. I could see him entering the WHC or WWE Title hunt in the future as well, but probably not until 2013.

It would make sense that the WWE will continue Ryback's undefeated streak for at least the remainder of 2012, especially if they decide to put the IC Strap on him (which they probably will, by their HiaC PPV next month). If Ryback stays undefeated for that long, it would only make sense to have him eventually enter the main event scene. After all, someone who proves they can last that long without losing a match (kayfabe) would "deserve" a shot at the WHC or WWE Title somewhere down the line (just like Goldberg did back in 1998).

I wrote a detailed comparison of Ryback/Goldberg in the other Ryback thread (http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showthread.php?p=4128675#post4128675), so I won't get into the specifics...but it's nearly impossible to not draw comparisons to Goldberg's early WCW career (from Goldberg's debut until he won his first US Title) when thinking about Ryback's career thus far. Ryback could definitely be the next wrestler to hold two major titles like this, especially if the WWE keeps his undefeated streak going.

btw - I wonder when/if they're going to start counting Ryback's wins, similar to what they did for Goldberg? ...and how many matches has Ryback won so far anyway? He's only been with the company since June of this year (as the Ryback character), so it couldn't be more than 12 wins maybe. I'm just counting one win per week, if he had a match every week since his debut. Maybe I'm missing matches on Smackdown and/or other shows though. Also, I'm not positive that he's had a match every week since his debut. Does anyone know? Maybe the WWE won't count his wins at all, since he used to wrestle on WWE TV as Skip Sheffield as well. Plus they might not want to encourage more Goldberg chants. I'm not positive that "feed me more" will catch on like the Goldberg chants did, "feed me more" seems more like Ryback's equivalent of Goldberg's "who's next?" catch phrase to me.

Merkin353
09-18-2012, 08:03 PM
The second I seen Ryback I thought finally a guy who looks like he can beat anyone up if he pleases & that's not from my era (The Attitude Era) Ryback to me is a man to be pushed to the top of the food chain. So why not have two titles... Lets put it this way, if Goldberg never existed & Ryback was the first of his kind. He'd have two titles...

Ps: Can't remember who said it but someone said without faces our precious heels are meaningless... It's actually the other way around. A heel will beat anyone without care. A face needs a heel to feud with so they can overcome it and get people behind said face regaurdless of that mans talent. So yes my friend you are wrong.

LMaruko
09-18-2012, 11:28 PM
No, no, and no!

All this talk about Ryback being any sort of champion is too soon, IMO. His character is specifically meant (more or less from Vince's own chaotic mindset) to mimic Goldberg, and just be a destructive monster that takes out wrestler after wrestler, without any gleam in his eye about a championship. Sure, have him face the Miz and completely destroy him one week at a time, until HIAC. There, he can dismantle the Miz and get himself disqualified (therein having the Miz still retain). Ryback/Miz continues for another couple of weeks until Miz becomes too afraid to face Ryback on his own, and has an enforcer (Albert... er Tensai or some sort of mid card big guy heel) try and take him out.

After some sort of handicap match comes out of Miz/(Unknown) and Ryback defeats them, he can go and challenge other higher mid-carders, getting to about 100 wins under his belt before he takes on the bigger fish (Cena/Orton/Sheamus, etc) and win some titles.

But no... Ryback shouldn't be in any contention for any title matches as it completely changes the face of his character, and to keep the mid-card titles on the smaller guys. If Ryback is to mimic Goldberg, then just work on his undefeated streak.

Maybe he might have a "Streak VS Streak" against Taker. Who knows.

Kelso1ftw
09-19-2012, 12:20 AM
I think they decided that he is at least getting over with the crowd so they need to finally do something with him. But what credible heel is out there that he could face? Big Show seems to be taking time off, D-Bry and Kane have their thing going on right now, Cody Rhodes is stuck with Sin Cara, Del Rio is in the title picture, they can't throw him against Wade Barrett because they brought him back, and lastly Ziggler has his feud with Orton. Though when talking about Ziggler a good feud with him could be Ryback and maybe have Ryback win the Title off of him at some point then insert himself directly into the Title picture because he has that "hunger" for good competition. But to the point of the forum this seems like a good match up. Miz is decent in the ring, he can cut promos and he gets decent heel heat. A title will also boost him up into the next tier of competition so he can take on bigger competition such as Cody Rhodes and Dolph Ziggler who are more established then make his way up and up the ladder till he feels like challenging for a world title. I can actually see it taking place as the Heel title holder is out in the ring cutting a promo after successfully retaining his title that he has beaten everyone that there is to beat for the title or something like that. Then in the middle of his promo year hear the "FEED ME MORE" and he walks out and just does his little feed me more chant. Would definitely be an interesting way for him to throw a challenge at someone.

ChadHatter
09-24-2012, 10:22 PM
Everyone knows that a streak can't last forever. It can last for a long time but never forever. After contemplating the superstars on both Smackdown and Raw I have come to a conclusion. The person who will defeat him is not yet in either of them. Sure, there are those that can defeat him that are already there but what would that do? My guess would be that if he were to be defeated it would have to be someone that is looking to gain something, credibility if you will. If I were to take an educated guess as to who it would be I would take into consideration someone that has been gone for quite some time with a grain of salt. I think I've kept you all in wait long enough, the man would be "The World's Strongest Man" Mark Henry. I know what you might be thinking that he had a career-threatening surgery and there was no word of him afterwards. Except for the fact that he was a pallbearer at Michael Clarke Duncan's funeral. If he could help carry that larger than life man inside a coffin I'm pretty sure that he is in good health. He has made no attempt to admit that he is done and retired from the business. So if he did come back I believe the first person he would go after would be the unstoppable Ryback. I am not saying that he would beat him as soon as he stepped back in the ring but I do believe that it would eventually happen.

AndThat'sTheBottomLine
09-24-2012, 11:19 PM
After the end of RAW tonight, it might be CM Punk. I hate it because Ryback doesn't deserve a title shot yet and if Cena isn't cleared by then, that's exactly what'll happen.

wwehqShorty
09-25-2012, 12:05 AM
I think Hogan will eventually leave TNA either being fired or he will give up because he doesnt have the knowledge or power to turn that company around... so he will come back to Vince with his tail between his legs....blow him... then get to break Rybacks streak in pay back for having to job to Warrior back at Wrestlemania 6!

Go home, Troll

I think that it will inevitably be Cena to end Ryback's Streak, but i think Cena will turn heel in the process of doing so! Taking Ryback out and attacking him!

Jerichoholic8894
09-25-2012, 12:10 AM
Honestly, I think Ryback will hold the IC title for quite a while (Maybe pushing around a year) before he gets beat. I feel that's how they will book him.

I think it all depends on where this "thing" with CM Punk leads. If they plan on putting him in the WWE title hunt now, then Punk will be the one to beat him

thedirtybatz
09-25-2012, 12:50 AM
now hear me out.. i know with ryback and punk having the stare down to end raw makes it seem that it will be punk.. but what if its the "other" haymen guy, brock lesner who returns, and beats him. might be a decent fued.

MaverickAZ
09-25-2012, 01:05 AM
lesnar isnt sticking around. The Ryback character is a possible, bluechip game changer so to speak. THey arent going to have Ryback job cleanly to Lesnar in a million years