View Full Version : What underused wrestler would you like to see pushed?
Alan Quartermaine
07-01-2008, 03:48 PM
Now, we all know about the WWE's current young stars that theyre doing nothing with, I doubt many people even know if Elijah Burkes still got a job, but there is always hope for these people (hopefully).
So who is it that the WWE isnt using that you would like to see progress the most, my personal choice right now is Charlie Haas, its been a while since a technical/submission based guy has done well in the company and I just think that theres a lot you can do with him.
Anyway give me your feedback etc. . . .
tap-out
07-01-2008, 03:53 PM
Well, you already said Elijah Burke, i thought this guy really had it. It looked like he was going to get a nice push when vince named him the new leader of ecw back a while ago. I still think Burke can make a nice name for himself, soon too.
My other option would be to see Chris Harris and Ron Killings, just to see what the wwe has got in them
Sicko
07-01-2008, 10:01 PM
I have been saying Elijah Burke forever as well on this Board
maybe has some personal issues with the some powerful people backstage and that is why they are holding him down I don't know but as far as talent goes he has it, Mic Skills, In The Ring Skills everything he just need that push
then I seen his new image or what ever that was suppose to be, some say he is a Pimp others say he is a Black Version of Gangrel I don't know hopefully they will debut it soon because he has been off TV way too long
Monkey Winchester
07-02-2008, 02:39 AM
I agree with everyone about Elijah Burke. He is an amazing talent. So underutilized, yet so talented. With the opening of some superstars on ECW he should finally get the recognition he deserves.
I also think that Charlie Hass should be utilized more. I know he doesn't have any charisma whatsoever, but I like seeing him compete. He can flat out go in the ring. It's a shame they don't even try and use him as a lower mid-carder for people to have some short little fueds with, and add some depth to the I-C title.
BigShowEatsPizza
07-02-2008, 02:55 AM
I know there are a ton of talented people that the WWE miss out on, but I really think Paul London is one of those that deserve a lot more than he has right now. I mean I know Vince has disliked his attitude in the past, but I gotta say, he's done too many incredible things in the ring for him to just be a jobber on RAW. I guess it may be too early for us to know what will happen to him alone on RAW, but I doubt it'll be something good. If I were in charge, I would move him to ECW with Brian Kendrick and I'd have them feud with Nitro & Miz (he'll always be Johnny Nitro to me). I hardly think they'll be used for much where they are now so why not send them to ECW? They could use more people and I really don't think Mark Henry is more 'extreme' than they are.
Alan Quartermaine
07-02-2008, 07:16 AM
Didnt the WWE seperate London and Kendrick in the draft, well that means that they are both sure-fire jobbers now.
Paul London and Brian Kendrick are both guys that deserve pushes, in my opinion they should have both gone over to Smackdown, theres a quality fued with Miz and Morrison right there.
Another guy who I want to see utilized a bit is Tommy Dreamer, he's the only original that has stuck with this new ECW brand and definatly deserves a bit of credit for his time.
MasterDebator
07-02-2008, 07:50 AM
I definitely agree with everyone here about Elijah Burke. I also consider Shelton Benjamin to be under-utilized. I understand that he had his shot back when he had an actual meaningful run with the IC belt, but damn is he a talent in the ring. Now that he's on SD, I'd love to see a Shelton/Hardy feud or a Shelton/Kennedy feud.
Mr Wrestlemania
07-02-2008, 12:38 PM
Number one on my list is Elijah Burke. When he was the New Breed's leader and mouthpiece he did pretty well, but the moment that angle was dropped so was Burke. The Spirit Squad lasted longer than him. I agree with jerichoholic, Charlie Haas is someone they COULD push, or at least make more visible on tv. I'd like to see infrequent reunions with Shelton to reform The World's Greatest Tag Team kind of like how HBK and Triple H would tag up every once in a while. Turn Haas heel, pair him up with Shelton, not exclusively as tag partners but kind of like an alliance where they have each other's backs but are both pretty solid in singles matches. It's not like they're doing much with Shelton now anyways. I'd put Shelton and Carlito on here, but I think their pushes will be coming around soon anyways.
George Michael
07-02-2008, 02:41 PM
Charlie Hass absolutely. Keep him off the mic and just have him wrestle circles around his opposition. With his amateur background WWE could bill him similar to Kurt Angle, even bring back the wrestling challenge and feed him jobbers for a month or two. Ofcourse they may have to pull him off of TV for a while to restore some of the integrity that has been compromised in the last year, but I doubt that will be a problem. If they worked on it for a year maybe him and Shelton could meet in the MITB match at WM25, get himself drafted to Smackdown and start a beautiful mid-card feud with Shelton (fingers crossed that the US title is in the mix). Maybe a best of 7 series..?
Wishful thinking I know..
SuperSwanton
07-02-2008, 03:27 PM
John morrison. he's great and he would make a good heel against someone like Jeff Hardy or maybe even Kennedy
PlayTheGame
07-02-2008, 03:42 PM
I think if anyone deserves a push, its definitely Shelton Benjamin. I mean, hes one of the guys whos been around longer than an Elijah Burke and has very good in-ring skills. His promos might suck but he was a part of one of the best technical WWE tag teams in the last decade. Also, hes not like a Carlito who angers the the WWE executives and asks for his release all the time. He's kind of just floating around in the WWE waiting for some type of a push. I think he should become the ECW champion in the near future, or dominate the tag division with Haas (he's not doing anything special either).
jtbsoon2b
07-02-2008, 04:05 PM
i agree with elijah burke and shelton benjamin
but i would have to say that mr. kennedy . . . . . kennedy is underused
i kno part is his fault (with taking steroids and NOT being vince's son)
but this guy is just a great promo man and he is good in the ring i feel he just needs a slight push and a heel turn to be in the main event on SD!
he has the potential i can see it!
(ok i kno u all dont agree, but thats how i feel)
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07-02-2008, 04:36 PM
1. John morrison: ever since he took on that new persona he is much better to watch and does anyone pay attention to his take know never back down mentality which is rare in heel form in the wwe.
2.Ken kennedy: why hasn't he gotten his revenge on edge yet and what is he going to do now that he has gotten rid of regal for us.
3.Matt hardy:His win of the U.S. title was good but win have you every gotten excited about a secondary champion.
4.Jeff hardy :He get in the picture then fade away he has paid his dues.
5.The Miz: he and morrison are future superstars
This concludes my list of under uterlize talent
SuperSwanton
07-02-2008, 04:42 PM
Also forgot about Jeff Hardy. He is awesome and he had a title shot against orten so why not give him another one?
Benjamin is a great athlete but no mic. skills. He still deserves a push though
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07-02-2008, 04:46 PM
Yeah but he murder his career when he brought his mom in the picture now also that new look is horrible he is to easy to make fun of so he can never be taking seriously. Does anyone pay attention to the star that make big in the business, they are the ones who aren't characters you have to dig deep to make fun of.
twistoffate_113
07-02-2008, 06:29 PM
i like morrison for a singles push he has charisma a decent gimmick and is realy athletic i remember on tough enough 3 he did a standing shooting star press
AnthonyMango/NoFate007
07-02-2008, 08:50 PM
In no particular order...
1. John Morrison - This guy should be at the very least in the category that Jeff Hardy is in...lower main event.
2. The Miz - He's improved drastically and he could be a fantastic midcard champion.
3. Shelton Benjamin - Midcard champ indeed.
4. MVP - He still hasn't made the jump over to main event status like he should.
5. Kennedy - What's tricky with him is that I feel he might be better suited as a midcard champ right now that destroys the competition, rather than thrust into a main event scene that he can't compete with. On Smackdown, he'll have HHH, Edge, MVP, Hardy, Umaga, Big Show, and possibly the Undertaker (with the occasional Big Daddy V and Khali) card to find his place in, and that might be too difficult for him. I'd rather see him dominate as United States/ECW champion than to see him be buried by the likes of HHH and such.
6. Brian Kendrick - With them hiring lots of new talent and more to come (especially with Long's "superstar initiative") I think they might have enough to go around and actually bring back that Cruiserweight title everyone's bitching about haha. If so, Kendrick would be a prime choice. If not, I'd at least like to see him be a decent midcarder that can have shots at the midcard title even if they don't want him to win it just yet. The kid's got the skills, let him show it off instead of booking him against Kozlov next week or something.
7. Charlie Haas - I agree with those that say he should just out-wrestle a lot of people. He might gain some fans by showing off lots of moves. He's talented, but he just needs a personality and a push.
That's enough for now.
Alan Quartermaine
07-03-2008, 05:46 AM
I also think that Charlie Hass should be utilized more. I know he doesn't have any charisma whatsoever, but I like seeing him compete. He can flat out go in the ring. It's a shame they don't even try and use him as a lower mid-carder for people to have some short little fueds with, and add some depth to the I-C title.
What was it Vince said "I'd rather watch paint dry than watch Charlie Haas" there was a time once in the WWE that Charlie Haas would have done very well for himself in the company, that time was also one of WWE's highest rated periods. Maybe the rumours are true and he really is off his rocker.
I also agree with Brian Kendrick, he was another I forgot about but if WWE were to bring the cruiserweight title back and put it on ECW who better to hold the title than Kendrick, he's got credibility and he's over, its a great idea.
Greg Grimes
07-03-2008, 06:30 PM
1. JOHN MORRISON - So sick, great persona and I could think of a million ways to put him in the spotlight... Give him a mic and some time he will shock the world. My guess is that he just pisses everyone off out back cause hes a cocky mofo.
2. Kennedy - What is there to say, other then stop doing steriods and do some work son.
tehblogger
07-03-2008, 06:36 PM
Morrison, obviously. He's underused. This guy is awesome. Great physique, ring skills, promo skills, the lot. He's set for glory, and he's done a good job with the Miz, who's improved. They've been excellent tag-team champions. But have them drop the belts soon - but not to the old fart and the midget - and start pushing them as singles stars.
Jeff Hardy, the most over face in the company. He's underused. And a fantastic guy to watch. The Draft has done him no favours. He needed to get away from Triple H, badly. That didn't happen. Bad luck. He can still succeed anyway and get a regular ME spot on Smackdown. I really hope he stays clean and healthy, because he really can get that ME position.
And, finally, Evan Bourne. New to the company, yes, but with incredible athletic ability and a great moveset. They should bring back the cruiserweight belt and give it to him for a while. That might just resurrect the cruiserweight division.
Canadian Knight
07-04-2008, 07:50 AM
I think they should use Shelton Benjamin. The last time that I saw him was years ago and ECW is not the place to see a push. He has moves that i like and can work both heel or face. I think he deserves it more then Jeff Hardy after all when was the last time he had a push before this previous Wrestlemania and seems to keep screwing it up.
Rusty
07-04-2008, 08:45 AM
I would say Morrison as I am a huge fan of the guy, but I wouldn't say hes being underused at the moment. He gets plenty of t.v time and usually wins his matches on ECW whether it be a singles match or a tag match. Teaming him up with the Miz helped both men in my opinion.
So I would have to say Shelton. Why the hell didn't the guy get a run with the ECW title? He shouldn't have been drafted to Smackdown as I think he was doing really well on ECW especially in his feud with Kofi Kingston. That feud made both superstars look great. The guy can wrestle and put on an entertaining match. Hes so underutilized by the WWE its unbelievable.
He should be the #1 guy on ECW with the belt. After all, he is known as the "Gold Standard". He has literally done nothing since 2005 from memory. This is his fifth year in the WWE if Im not mistaken, so why is WWE taking so long to give the guy a strong push? His mic skills improved in my opinion, and I thought that was the only thing that was holding him back.
Elijah Burke is also underused but I think Shelton should receive a decent push before Burke because he is simple more over with the fans, in my opinion.
I hope Shelton wins Money in the Bank next year, I really do. That would be a suitable push but first he needs to be given a slight push so that he looks strong going in to that match. I think the guy has proven himself that he can put on a great match. Hes definately got the look of a main event player.
WrestlingDude
07-04-2008, 01:05 PM
Mr. Kennedy - mid carder since his debut, hes beaten several former world champions and he has phenominal mic skills.
Shelton Benjamin - Quite possibly the most underrated superstar to date. Athletic, fast, agile and has been on the mid carder list for a very long time. Its time to step up.
MVP - Started as an arrogent coward always running away to this athletic indivisual who has the skills to back up his mouth. Longest reigning US champ who will be future world champion.
John Morrison - Drop Miz as a partner and become ECW champion again. Incredible athlete, with potential to keep on rising. Flexiable and can do things very few wrestlers can do.
Stevie Richards - Some ppl might not agree with me here. But Stevie is a great athlete. He's fast, strong, an incredible martial artist and an ECW original. At least give him an oppertunity against the ECW champion.
John87
07-04-2008, 01:43 PM
well im not exactly out to talk about a young superstar but i will talk about one that should have went to Smackdown in 2007 during the draft and won the world title, if not, at least got a few shots at it. that superstar is Val Venis. come on! hes been with the damn company for ten long years and never really got a world title shot because he is on RAW and really hasnt even been seen lately. now that the world title is on RAW, maybe since hes there, they will use him a lot more or he could jump to Smackdown! and capture the wwe title from maybe Edge if he wins it from Triple H sometime. come on you all enjoyed his IC title run too and all his weird promos. i know you liked it over ICP going to WWE!
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07-04-2008, 05:03 PM
Val Venis career grew stale once we exited the attitude era his charater never grew he
would still spit out the corny catch phrases. He need to show us other layer not just A one dimension gimmick.
Golden Standard
07-04-2008, 09:45 PM
Shelton Benjamin. THE GOLDEN STANDARD. Now he can be a main event, strong midcarder at best. He had good wrestling skills, al wwe needs to do is give him a better gimmick and have him a mouth piece if he does not improve his mic skills. T.Long would be great for him or Santino. Santino would make him a strong midcarder definitley. He can be a great ic title holder and us title holder too and a good wwe champion too if you look at it. Either way Shelton can be great as a strong midcarder or a maineventer. WWE just need to do them two things give him a better gimmick and a mouth piece like T.Long or Santino. I would go for Santino.
shaunbaby
07-04-2008, 09:53 PM
Paul Burchill.
hes solid in the ring, he needs a finisher he can call his own, has anyone seen his OVW's most dangerous man? thats was a good gimmick, kinda like Ken Shamrock without the "Hes gonna snap" bits.
hes decent enough on the mic, he no Rock but he can still hold his own. (even though he does sound a little wierd, maybe because he english, even though im am as well lol), but all he has to do is find his hook and he will be a main event player.
Joepjr92
07-06-2008, 08:07 AM
I would definitely go with Santino Marella. Now don't get me wrong, Santnio is being used to the point where he is usually on Raw every week using his awesome mic skills to entertain the audience. But that's just it, Santino has mic skills and charisma better than that of some of the top names in WWE. He has the skills to wrestle, if WWE would showcase that more then maybe he can succeed instead of staying the glorified jobber that he is now.
I would also include Tommy Dreamer. Dreamer would be the perfect guy to represent ECW as their champion, but WWE decides to have him get squashed all of the time. He seems to be one of the most devoted guys, but I guess WWe doesn't notice that. I am happy that maybe we will get to see him get a match against Mark Henry.
TheOneBigWill
07-06-2008, 10:43 AM
John Morrison: If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times over. Morrison has all the fundamental's to become something huge.
He has the look, even though hes of average build hes really quit similar to Shawn Michaels. He has the speed, even though he isn't as quick as a Rey Mysterio, he can still catch you off guard without warning. He has the mic skills if you just place him in the position to show them. And he definately has the pop and flash inside the ring to make people want to watch him.
What I believe he needs to change, in order to grow, is his name. While John Morrison is a great name.. its purely given to him due to circumstance. Jim Morrison, John Morrison.. as a result, his gimmick and mic-sessions are of him merely reciting old Door's songs and lyrics in a more wrestling watered down way of saying them.
His name has always hurt him. From Johnny Blaze, or Johnny Nitro. The irony is he truly grew out of being Johnny (Don't call me Monday) Nitro when he & Melina formed a team. But everything backtracked for him, when they split the two apart. So he had no choice but to change his name. Sadly, they went with the less-thought through name and just decided to give him something that tied in easily with how he looked.
In my personal opinion, the only thing holding Morrison from being a huge success and great Wrestler in this company.. is the gimmick name hes given. If he can at least break-away from reciting the Doors lyrics then it'll help greatly.
Y 2 Jake
07-06-2008, 10:57 AM
Morrison is vanilla. He's the same as Shelton Benjamin. The only reason to like him is because he can be innovative if he's in a certain gimmick match. He's awkward on the mic. Public speaking is not Johnny Nitros thing. If he was truly talented he would have been a more impressive ECW Champion. If you are nowhere for months, then by fluke you become a ''major'' champ, you sure as hell should impress. What you should do is have the greatest match on the card, do amazing interviews and more. Especially if you are on ECW. That brand belongs to the champion. They literally have to won it. Morrsion didn't. He was given the ball, and he blew it. So he's not underused currently, he's in the spot he should be.
GW Emperor
07-06-2008, 11:11 AM
Elijah Burke, Shelton Benjamin, and Charlie Haas.
Three great wrestlers who are very underused by WWE. In my opinion these wrestlers should never drop below the US, Intercontinental Championship level.
All three of these are certainly better wrestlers than Triple H, and this guy has disgracefully held the World Title 12 times.
TheOneBigWill
07-06-2008, 11:18 AM
Morrison is vanilla. He's the same as Shelton Benjamin. The only reason to like him is because he can be innovative if he's in a certain gimmick match.
I greatly agree that its because of gimmick matches that Morrison is highly entertaining to watch, and because he offers a unique style of wrestling complete with high-flying moves that most others can't copy.
However shouldn't that be seen as a good thing, that he isn't the same as everyone else?
He's awkward on the mic. Public speaking is not Johnny Nitros thing.
See, I disagree that hes horrible (or awkward) on the mic. I don't think its his fault, more so than the gimmick name hes stuck with that makes him have to sound moronic.
I believe if anything hes stumbling to find things to say, because he has a very limited vocab to word with in the sense that he can only recite Doors lyrics in different ways so many times before everything sounds the same, blurs, and makes him look stupid.
If he was truly talented he would have been a more impressive ECW Champion. If you are nowhere for months, then by fluke you become a ''major'' champ, you sure as hell should impress.
I'll agree that Morrison becoming E.C.W. Champion was a fluke, even though it was a fluke I loved. The truth is, he really didn't deserve the Championship at that point in time, as it was apparently meant for Chris Benoit. However it has to say something that they'd give him the Championship in place of just settling for the opponent in the match.. (shockingly, our new World Champion) C.M. Punk.
What you should do is have the greatest match on the card, do amazing interviews and more. Especially if you are on ECW. That brand belongs to the champion. They literally have to won it. Morrsion didn't.
He was given the ball, and he blew it. So he's not underused currently, he's in the spot he should be.
I don't understand how you can feel he didn't do a great job as Champion. John Morrison was the highest watched and highest rated E.C.W. Champion in their brand's history. While technically I've always said it and believe it.. "One man isn't responsible for ratings".
The fact is it has to say something that the ratings went up more than ever during his reign.. and dropped when he lost it.
The only thing that hurt Morrison was the same thing that hurts every E.C.W. Champion. Lack of opponents. Morrison fought who.. Indy Punk. How many times? Too fucking many. Why? No other reasonable option.
Morrison and Punk worked well but never great. Its because both men were raw in their own sense and needing carried slightly by someone. Morrison was the guy that advanced in being capable of carrying Punk, which also reflects on why Punk was a horrible Champion, dispite having more opponents than Morrison. (Punk had Morrison, Miz, Elijah Burke & Chavo)
If anything.. I believe Morrison came a long way from where he was, to become E.C.W. Champion and grow. The thing to understand is becoming E.C.W. Champion in the W.W.E. isn't the same as become World Champion on Raw or Smackdown. E.C.W.'s Heavyweight title (to me) is the starter title, in which you gain to see if you can become a true World Champion.
Somehow Punk, dispite my understanding, leaped passed Morrison and became a true World Champion first. Morrison, if anything, deserves a shot.
TheOneBigWill
07-06-2008, 11:21 AM
Elijah Burke, Shelton Benjamin, and Charlie Haas.
Three great wrestlers who are very underused by WWE. In my opinion these wrestlers should never drop below the US, Intercontinental Championship level.
All three of these are certainly better wrestlers than Triple H, and this guy has disgracefully held the World Title 12 times.
Are you mildly retarded? Did you really just call Triple H. worse than Charlie Haas?
Look, the thing you need to understand is that the "Wrestling" portion of "World Wrestling Entertainment" is less likely focused on these days. Its the E.. Entertainment.. thats focused hard on. Thats why Triple H. is a 12 time Champion.
Thats why guys like Elijah Burke and the World's Greatest Tag Team aren't even collectively a 1 time World Heavyweight Champion. They have all the wrestling talent in the world.. but only Burke has the true ability to speak on the mic.. and Benjamin along with Haas together couldn't find the proper amount of words to string along into cutting a half way decent promo.
Benjamin is going in the right direction. He needs mic skills. I think you'd be wise to cut your losses with Charlie Haas. And who knows about Burke. I've heard hes been repackaged as a Black Pope/Gangrel type character. If Burke shows up on E.C.W., or where ever, as a Vampire.. I'm gonna think back to Eddie Murphy's role as one. It won't be pretty.
GW Emperor
07-06-2008, 11:27 AM
Triple H is a better entertainer than Haas but wrestling wise he is not.
Charlie Haas is capable of performing far more moves and better proper wrestling matches as opposed to the boring, predictable has-been known as Triple H.
TheOneBigWill
07-06-2008, 11:30 AM
Triple H is a better entertainer than Haas but wrestling wise he is not.
Charlie Haas is capable of performing far more moves and better proper wrestling matches as opposed to the boring, predictable has-been known as Triple H.
Didn't I just say that? I'm pretty sure I did.
But the point is.. Charlie Haas couldn't pull off the Entertainment aspect of the W.W.E.. Fans don't wanna see pure wrestling, thats what R.O.H. is for. And possibly T.N.A., but not lately.
Triple H. is the top of the pile because while his wrestling ability might be very average indeed, his entertainment value is through the roof.
John Cena couldn't wrestle his way out of a paper-bag, but you don't see him losing to guys like Haas and Benjamin on a weekly basis, do you? Its because wrestling skills aren't important in Pro Wrestling. If this were college it'd be a different story, but its not, so its not.
Y 2 Jake
07-06-2008, 11:33 AM
I greatly agree that its because of gimmick matches that Morrison is highly entertaining to watch, and because he offers a unique style of wrestling complete with high-flying moves that most others can't copy.
However shouldn't that be seen as a good thing, that he isn't the same as everyone else?
Anybody, on any given day is capable of having a good gimmick match. His actual non gimmick matches are boring. You are probably one of the only people who watched that doesn't switch off.
See, I disagree that hes horrible (or awkward) on the mic. I don't think its his fault, more so than the gimmick name hes stuck with that makes him have to sound moronic.
He looks like he's caught in heaflights. He's Benoit, but with minus intensity.
I believe if anything hes stumbling to find things to say, because he has a very limited vocab to word with in the sense that he can only recite Doors lyrics in different ways so many times before everything sounds the same, blurs, and makes him look stupid.
Well that's WWE's or his depending on how you look at it. WWE scripts promos, but maybe he could improvise a little.
I'll agree that Morrison becoming E.C.W. Champion was a fluke, even though it was a fluke I loved. The truth is, he really didn't deserve the Championship at that point in time, as it was apparently meant for Chris Benoit. However it has to say something that they'd give him the Championship in place of just settling for the opponent in the match.. (shockingly, our new World Champion) C.M. Punk.
I believe that the only reason he got the title was because WWE expected Benoit to be back at work on Tuesday. They wanted the title on him. And they wanted Punks first reign to be a big deal. I'm convinced that Morrison would have lost that title on Tuesday. WWE could then get back to the match, and feud that they wanted. But we'll never know for sure.
I don't understand how you can feel he didn't do a great job as Champion. John Morrison was the highest watched and highest rated E.C.W. Champion in their brand's history. While technically I've always said it and believe it.. "One man isn't responsible for ratings".
The fact is it has to say something that the ratings went up more than ever during his reign.. and dropped when he lost it.
Ratings are important. To WWE, not to general fans. It's a good debating tool. But it's not important. If you want to watch, you'll watch.
I can say he didn't do a good job as champion because it's a fact. He was given the spot as ECW's biggest star. The show that's least important. He could get away with far more on that show than he could on another. A little script change here and there. The champ is allowed at least 15 minutes wrestling time on each show. Only once did he have a match worthy of a world champ.
The only thing that hurt Morrison was the same thing that hurts every E.C.W. Champion. Lack of opponents. Morrison fought who.. Indy Punk. How many times? Too fucking many. Why? No other reasonable option.
There were plenty of opponents for him. It's just that he wasn't over enough to have matches with them.
Morrison and Punk worked well but never great. Its because both men were raw in their own sense and needing carried slightly by someone. Morrison was the guy that advanced in being capable of carrying Punk, which also reflects on why Punk was a horrible Champion, dispite having more opponents than Morrison. (Punk had Morrison, Miz, Elijah Burke & Chavo)
Punk was no better or worse than Morrison. Both were awful. Difference being that Morrsion wasn't made to look inferior to all the bigger stars on other brands when he was champ.
If anything.. I believe Morrison came a long way from where he was, to become E.C.W. Champion and grow.
He was nowhere to begin with. After his feud with Hardy in January, his next PPV was at Vengeance.
The thing to understand is becoming E.C.W. Champion in the W.W.E. isn't the same as become World Champion on Raw or Smackdown. E.C.W.'s Heavyweight title (to me) is the starter title, in which you gain to see if you can become a true World Champion.
No it's not. But an ECW has far more freedom than others.
Somehow Punk, dispite my understanding, leaped passed Morrison and became a true World Champion first. Morrison, if anything, deserves a shot.
Punk is an unconvincing face. But he's a great heel. Morssion is an unconvincing heel. Everyone knows that being a heel is easier than being a aface. So yeah Punk isn't very good at it. But if Morrsion can't be a convincing heel, then as a face he'd be even worse than Punk.
daletango
07-06-2008, 11:35 AM
Santino Marella. Hes not underused on the mic, not at all but for me he has the ability in the ring but we rarely get to see it. Anymore losses and its going to crush his gimmick simply because the more he loses the less you can believe hes a legitimate cocky heel, he'll soon just turn into the run of the mill whining jobber - which hes bordering on.
With those mic skills he should be flying up the card.
TheOneBigWill
07-06-2008, 11:52 AM
Anybody, on any given day is capable of having a good gimmick match. His actual non gimmick matches are boring. You are probably one of the only people who watched that doesn't switch off.
Everyone has their favorites. Who they like to watch and who they don't. While it won't say much because the bigger majority will watch him.. the fact is some turn the channel, or flip the television off whenever John Cena comes out.
Of course I'm not intentionally trying to compare the two, as Morrison is nowhere near the level Cena is. I'm merely saying everyone has their favorites. Even on the understanding that while I dispise Punk as Champion, several agree and like it.
I believe that the only reason he got the title was because WWE expected Benoit to be back at work on Tuesday. They wanted the title on him. And they wanted Punks first reign to be a big deal. I'm convinced that Morrison would have lost that title on Tuesday. WWE could then get back to the match, and feud that they wanted. But we'll never know for sure.
Thats a very good theory, but its kinda questionable. The reason I say its questionable is because if Morrison was never meant to retain or keep the Championship, then why didn't they just hand it off to C.M. Punk at the Great American Bash, or even Summerslam? Morrison holds two major Pay Per View victories (to my knowledge, if not more) over C.M. Punk, in which he retained that Championship.
Furthermore, if they wanted Punk's first win to be a big deal, then why was it surrounded in fluke fashion? Punk's first win to gain the E.C.W. Championship came when John Morrison got suspended. So it'll always be assumed that Punk may of never won that Championship, had it not been for Morrison's mistake.
There were plenty of opponents for him. It's just that he wasn't over enough to have matches with them.
Who exactly? Tommy Dreamer was more or less it. Everyone else was heel.
Punk is an unconvincing face. But he's a great heel. Morssion is an unconvincing heel. Everyone knows that being a heel is easier than being a aface. So yeah Punk isn't very good at it. But if Morrsion can't be a convincing heel, then as a face he'd be even worse than Punk.
This is actually a very good logic, one that I'd agree with. Its also a segway for me to say I believe this is Punk's only saving grace right now. Everyone raves over how great the guy is as a heel. I've never seen it, so I'm hoping the hype is worth it, as I assume its coming soon.
Alan Quartermaine
07-06-2008, 01:31 PM
While I'll agree with people that John Morrison deserves a push I just dont think he's underused at all, Morrison and The Miz are single-handedly (well, not really as theres 2 of them) carrying the tag team division for both brands, the fact is while Dibiase and Rhodes are the new up and coming heels theyre always gonna be upstaged by those guys.
I think that John Morrison is in the perfect place at the moment, especially when you compare similarities between him and Shawn Michaels, theres no better way to build someone like him up. Also it gives Miz some valuable experience to be paired with Morrison, because Miz has come along way and is deserving of a good mid-card role in the WWE now.
whojgov32
07-06-2008, 02:32 PM
Elijah Burke did somebody say!?!? He has done nothing. Boring on the mic and boring in the ring. My girlfriend had to give me a handjob during the 2007 Judgement Day Pay Per View during the Burke vs. Punk match (I was there live) cuz Burke made it so boring. Shelton has had many attempted pushes that have failed but I still have faith in him. Morrison FOR SURE needs a push. Kennedy and MVP should get some title shots. I'm gonna read the rest of these I'll have more for sure.
whojgov32
07-06-2008, 02:37 PM
I have to see more "in ring" work with Santino before we can say he needs a bigger push but I love him on the mic. Everyone should agree with Morrison have you heard him to commentary or watched the DIRT SHEET! He's very funny.
Joehaha
07-07-2008, 11:14 AM
i think john morrison is being used fine, hes tag champion at the moment, thrusting him into the main spotlight at the moment wont do any good i dont think when its already pretty congested, and people like kennedy and hardy are more prepared for a main event push imo. also havin punk jus been crowned champion aswel that means another new face to main event status. i think morrisons coming along nicley and shouldnt be rushed. thats just my opinion though, but shelton deserves more of a push i think, and kennedy i cant beleive their not pushing kennedy hard right now
motorcitymaniac
07-07-2008, 11:32 AM
It seems to me that everybody that has been mentioned, with the exception of Burke, has been pushed at some point, and screwed it up somehow. Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of most of these guys being mentioned, but they don't deserve a push.
Not nearly as much as Carlito...
But in all seriousness, the guy who deserves a push is Jamie Noble. Yes, I said Jamie Noble. He is a former Cruiserweight champion. It looks like he is going to be involved in a feud with a fan favorite (Kane), and if they have him pull off a couple of decent matches against him, it could be a start for Noble. Also, he i someone who has never really been involved in the mid-card, so a push would be in keeping with the new theme of change for RAW.
Y 2 Jake
07-08-2008, 04:59 AM
Thats a very good theory, but its kinda questionable. The reason I say its questionable is because if Morrison was never meant to retain or keep the Championship, then why didn't they just hand it off to C.M. Punk at the Great American Bash, or even Summerslam? Morrison holds two major Pay Per View victories (to my knowledge, if not more) over C.M. Punk, in which he retained that Championship.
When they put the title on him they thought that Benoit would be back. Punk/Benoit wouldn't have worked if Punk was the champion. So they put the title on Morrison so at some point they could resume the feud they wanted.
Morrison was just in the right place at the right time.
Furthermore, if they wanted Punk's first win to be a big deal, then why was it surrounded in fluke fashion? Punk's first win to gain the E.C.W. Championship came when John Morrison got suspended. So it'll always be assumed that Punk may of never won that Championship, had it not been for Morrison's mistake.
Come on Will. They had no real choice. I'm sure Punk would have got the title at a PPV if it wasn't for the suspension.
Who exactly? Tommy Dreamer was more or less it. Everyone else was heel.
There were plenty. But like I said, none were over enough. ECW had just as many faces as heels. It's just that the faces were nobodies.
This is actually a very good logic, one that I'd agree with. Its also a segway for me to say I believe this is Punk's only saving grace right now. Everyone raves over how great the guy is as a heel. I've never seen it, so I'm hoping the hype is worth it, as I assume its coming soon.
People wouldn't bash Punk so much if he didn't have such a reputation when he made his debut in WWE, and if he was a heel.
Darkshot77
07-24-2008, 10:37 PM
I will have to aggree with Burke, Benjamin, and MVP, in fact those three would make an ok stable but I digress. Morrison's God-given talent needs to be utilized better. Paul London has amazing skill that needs to be showcased more. Finally Val Venis. It is a shame that a veteran like himself who has decent wrestlng ability, loses more matches than Hacksaw Jim Duggan. Whats wrong with this picture. He is only 37 and still could be used effectively
PeopleChamp80
07-25-2008, 11:33 AM
John Morrison
John Morrsion is a 4x WWE Tag Team Champion 2x IC Champion and 1x ECW World.....I mean ECW Champion that's 7 Title Regins in WWE John Morrsion has the Look, He has the In Ring Skills, The Mic Skills he's like the total Package for a Main Event waiting to happen John Morrison in my oppinion is carrying ECW on his shoulders right now if he wasn't on ECW i can say that i probably wouldn't be watching it If you think about it when was the last time you EVER saw a bad John Morrison Match? i can say myself i never saw one John Morrison can make a Wrestler Look Good in the Ring even if he is The Great Khali maybe not now but i can bet that John Morrison will be in the Main Event Scene sooner then you expect I Have high hopes for him
"Cool Guy" Jensen
07-27-2008, 10:48 PM
I would love to see Charlie Haas as the Intercontinental Champion, or not a champion he could atleast be used on RAW more often and maybe win a match or two.
Also Carlito hasn't appeared on Smackdown since him being drafted, I'm hoping they're thinking of a way to push him, but I doubt it.
Then there's Jeff Hardy who would make a great U.S. or WWE Champion.
DH Smith... not sure what they can do with him yet though.
Tommy Dreamer should be E.C.W. Champion.
Super Crazy could atleast have one match since being dratfed to E.C.W... a team with Evan Bourne would be awesome, too.
T2KFreeker
07-27-2008, 10:52 PM
I have two in mind, and you may disagree or what not, but I have to go with Super Crazy and Steven Richards. Both can get over in the ring and can put people over well also. Let's be honest, that is one huge problem in the industry; a lot of the talent these days that are new have a hard time either getting over or putting someone else over. These two guys can do it and have done it.
problemchild
07-28-2008, 09:51 AM
I would love to see the cruiserwieght title reinstated on ECW. Since ECW has only one title sooner or later they are gunna run out of fueds. I would say ALL cruisers need a BIG push and let them have more matches on ECW. It would surely bring more interest to ECW and think of the sweet extreme rules matches they could put these guys in.
stevensnk
07-28-2008, 10:56 AM
I would love to see the cruiserwieght title reinstated on ECW. Since ECW has only one title sooner or later they are gunna run out of fueds. I would say ALL cruisers need a BIG push and let them have more matches on ECW. It would surely bring more interest to ECW and think of the sweet extreme rules matches they could put these guys in.
I really agree with this. I do miss the crusierweight title and that's really why I don't watch smackdown anymore. As for another person for a push, how about Hardcore Holly? considering his program with Cody is over, why not push him as a mid-carder or maybe turn him heel to feud with Kofi Kingston?
Alan Quartermaine
07-28-2008, 01:49 PM
I'll make yet another post about John Morrison, as people have said he is fantastic theres no doubt about it, but why push him as a main-eventer yet, fact is Miz and Morrison are the only reason why people care about the WWE Tag Team Titles (in fact this may go into another thread).
In my opinion if he and Miz split up there is a very big fear of both guys becoming jobbers, Morrison will job to Kennedy, Hardy and HHH whereas Miz will job to Morrison, Umaga, Big Show and worst of all Mark Henry.
Seems WWE are serious about rebuilding the tag team division, so why split up there best team?
HeartBreakk1dPr
07-31-2008, 11:19 AM
Carlito......He's one of the greatest superstars in WWE. He can wrestle technical and can mix in the high flying. Plus he made an impact upon his debut. What other wrestler can say they won the United States Championship on their Smackdown Debut and the Intercontinental Championship on their Raw Debut? No one except for Carlito. Where's his World Heavyweight Title run? He deserves it......him jobbing?.....THATS NOT COOL!
Hare69er
08-01-2008, 06:28 PM
Well I think the most under-used wrestler at the moment and has been for the last 11 years is Kane. Okay he's used to be ECW champion but unfortunantly no one cares about ECW. He got to hold the WWE title for one night and in my opinion thats wrong because I think he would make money for WWE if he was champion because he's an attraction and an interesting character. He's also Undertaker style built (bout 7ftish, over 300pounds and very quick)
Most of the wrestlers you have mentioned apart from Charlie Haas and the Hardy's havn't been with the company for more than 2-3 years so are they really ready for headlining wrestlemania???
Fizzywink
08-02-2008, 11:02 PM
elijah burke ive liked him since he came in with the new breed imo hes better then cm punk he has mic skills,wrestling ability and everything else it takes to be a star wwe just hasnt utlized him correctly
Sportsperson411
08-02-2008, 11:12 PM
I think John Morrison should be pushed next. I mean his in ring work is excellent, he can most certainly carry a match, in fact, the classic battles that he had with CM Punk proves that Morrison can move up the ladder. He also has very good mic skills and can cut a promo very well. This guy really needs a push to the top because I think he can do well in the upper midcard and high card.
I like that Kane is in the main event scene now, but it's not like they'll ever put the strap on him. He's up to double digits in Tag Title reigns, he's been consistant throughout the years. Even if it's been consistantly mediocre. He needs a push before he burns out.
Another who needs a push is William Regal. After his match with Punk on Raw, I see the light. Stuff him right into the middle of the RAW Main event scene.
ronthony717
08-04-2008, 01:34 PM
I'm not a burk fan and believe he should be let go.. He's a good wrestler but never put on matches that I can remember.. It might be because they had him wrestle CM Punk and Tommy Dreamer about 12 times.. I think its time to push Paul London and put him in matches with burchil and kingston because those will be mid card matches people will remember.. I have been a fan of his since he started on smackdown and enjoyed watching him kendrick and ashley team up I guess to try and make them the new rockers/hardys but ashley kept ruining it by disapearing every other week.. Other then london I think hass needs the psuh.. Hass actually showed that he can be charismatic when he hosted that womens contest on raw once.. He was fun to watch and listen to.. He can put on benoit type matches so I think it is time to let him prove himself
jpfizzle
08-04-2008, 03:27 PM
Mr. Kennedy; When Kennedy moved to Smackdown WWE said he wasn't going to get any big push he was going to stay at the same level he was on RAW. On Smackdown Kennedy can't get a win for love or money, are they saving him up for a push in 2009? Probably not. At this months PPV Summerslam; the World Title is being defended by Triple H against the challenger the Great Khali... I understand Khali means money in India so i'm not saying leave Khali off the card altogether... but wouldn't a much more appealing match be Kennedy Vs. Triple H with Khali facing Kozlov or someone else like that. That way, should Kennedy win the title providing a great Summerslam moment and a defining moment in his career, he can enter into a programme with the companys top heel Edge.
Heart Break Kid
08-04-2008, 11:14 PM
D.H Smith is one of the most under/never used talent that I think the WWE currently has. If you watch some of his videos from Florida Champioonship Wrestling you can see his wrestling talent and ability. In my opinion even if the guy didn't have an ounce of wrestling charisma he could still be a huge draw for the WWE with fascinating storylines considering his is a second generation superstar following the footsteps of one of the better in-ring performers ever.
Obviously there are a lot of 2nd generation superstars in the business right now, but he may appeal more to older wrestling fans because of his late father's name. Push this guy to the moon like I think he should be and I believe people will tune in just to see Davey's son.
badboyman
08-07-2008, 02:16 PM
MVP they just making him drift truely make sure him more solid in ring better finisher as he doesnt seem to be using the playmaker simple fact he would look good with the title. I think put him in a feud with triple H( drops the title to khali) have the whole matt hardy saga. Simple then MVP win, hes automatically over and a contender. Also Big Show feud after feud after feud simple fact he should be world champion he just looks the part but he needs to be heel doesnt work as a face. However maybe MVP should make a tag team with Kennedy another under used person. Make them heels, well kennedy a cock heel again doesnt work as a face. R truth should be face along with Killings good feud there.
I think that Chris Jericho has been underused.. Right now, he is in a great feud with Michaels.. Everyone... Everyone knows he is a main event heel, but once this feud ends, he isn't going to be in the title picture.. I want him there, so bad, but we all know that he won't be.. Not with Tista, Cena, Orton, and Layfield.. It's sad. :(
DjPauliieeP
08-07-2008, 04:20 PM
I'd Love Too See Bourne Have A Major Pushh This Guy Is Imense
John Morrison Ex Tag Champ Intercontinal But This Guy Is Still Great He Should Ditch Miz And Ecw Go Straight For The Big Time
And I Dont Know If Anyone Else Thinks This
But Why Dont They Have A Cross Branded
Number 2 Title Match
Shelton Vs Kofi Because We Never Really Saw And End To This Feud It Just Went Durinng The Draft So Now They Both Champs , Have A Match To See Who The Better Is ?
Kelsey2101
08-08-2008, 01:24 PM
I'd love to see Kenny Dykstra get a push. I haven't seen him on tv in a reallyyy long time, and when I do see him, I can't remember the last time he's won.. I'd really like to see him hold the US title, or Intercontinental.. I can't even remember what show he's on now so either of those.. I've always seen him as a charasmatic wrestler & I enjoy watching his matches when he's given the chance to actually have a good match.
Syxx-Pac
08-08-2008, 06:17 PM
I would have to say Shannon Moore. He is great in the ring, and I just hated to watch him be a jobber. It just wasn't right. I think Shannon Moore should've been a solid mid-carder. But nope! Vince has to ruin everything! By making him job. He was good as an MF'er, and he should have had the push that he did as a MF'er. I just wish he wasn't gone from WWE, and WWE just gives him a push!
TheSaint
08-09-2008, 06:32 AM
Elijah Burke - I miss seeing this guy I think hes extremly charismatic and hes a pretty good wrestler. The reason we havent seen him is cause WWE cant think of anything to do with him, well with all the african american wrestlers getting a push these days he fits into that catagory.
Evan Bourne - I like what there doing with him now, I mean hes a 187lbs guy so he isnt gonna be whoopin ass just yet, but I think if they were to bring the cruiserweight title back, he should be the one to carry the belt.
Paul London - I fear he may be on the chopping block soon enough, cause with Brian Kendrick getting a push on Smackdown, they really dont have anything for London. I think they should team him up with someone rather than just jobbing him out.
The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh
08-09-2008, 11:18 AM
Super Crazy. I'd love to see him turn the 'Insane Luchador' into a full on persona. He'd have to be heel of course, but he could give these ridiculously passionate promos, all in Spanish, and then pull off loads of aerial spots with the intention of hurting people on purpose. I wouldn't expect him to become champ or anything, but maybe a tag champ or US champ. He could have some great fueds with Bourne and Ortiz and then later Noble and ultimately Mysterio.
3 reasons why that would never happen though:
1. WWE are too chicken shit to have inventive, high risk moves due to the number of injuries suffered in the last few years.
2. Cruiserweights don't draw according to WWE creative
3. If they were going to have a Mexican superstar base his gimmick on the fact that he's Mexican, they couldn't do it without re doing that stupid Mexicools gimmick, or without putting him in a sombrero while riding a buro, and he'd never be allowed to shave.
ecw4life
08-11-2008, 02:25 PM
Mr.Kennedy- He has all the potential to be the next Rock, or Steve Austin. People are walkin around sayin "If u smell . . ." and "Austin 3:16 says i just . . . " now people can walk around sayin "MRRRRRRRRRRR. KENNNNNNNEDDDDDDYYYYYY!"
Elijah Burke- Hes got great mic skills. And he can fit into the african american push.
Gregory Helms- Bring him back as the Hurricane and have him feud with Kozlov and win U.S title.
Joepjr92
08-14-2008, 09:01 AM
Val Venis- a veteran in the ring and former IC champ. just seems that WWE is wasting him.
Charlie Haas- a very sound technical wrestler. at lewast push him to mid card for an IC title fued.
DH Smith- so Dh fails one drug test and he's completely forgotten about? Look at Jeff freakin Hardy, one more suspension and he's gone but he still gets a good push.
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