Vince McMahon and the Stage Collapse [Archive]

jpfizzle

06-23-2008, 10:45 PM

BEGIN THE SPECULATION IN HERE!

NO SPOILERS IF THERE EVER ANNOUNCED PLEASE!

Well after the epic end to monday night RAW lets all discuss who tried to kill Vince McMahon and the whole situation... A similar thing was tried last year with the limosuine accident but this one in my opinion came off much better and although still slightly ridiculous does lead to some intriguing WWE television.

I put this in here as I hope that the storyline spreads across the whole of the WWE, if indeed it only plays out on RAW feel free to move this to another home, I'm hoping this will be the first of its kind however if someone beats me to it I am also happy to have this merged.

THE SUSPECTS!!

The Undertaker: Off WWE television for a while, what better way than to come back and try and kill his old boss... trying to take "the higher power" yes we have seen the ministry of darkness before but no one sees it coming and Ministry = Ratings.

Shane Mcmahon / Stephanie Mcmahon: Getting Daddy out the way so they can get there cut, preductable but is it time for one or both to move up and lead the WWE into the next generation of McMahon, surely everything there is to be done with Vince has been done.

Stone Cold Steve Austin: Austin and McMahon mark 2... unlikely and its been done before but as the rattlesnake one said, everyone is guilty untill proven innocent.

Paul Heyman/ Eric Bischoff: Revenge angle, could Paul Heyman have seen enough with ECW only getting a single pick, is he ready to take back whats his: ECW! and do it by taking Vince out the picture. Or is Bischoff ready to resurrect WCW or try and take control of the WWE

Triple H and Shawn Michaels: Are they ready to take the WWE??

Ric Flair: Another one who can no longer wrestle so could he try and take Vince out to take control of the WWE, a good reason for him to be at RAW and only used for that single WOOOOOOO!

Possible Outcomes:

A new all be it kayfabe owner of WWE??

Pandamonium as everyone from all 3 brands is now a suspect.

Is it one man or a number of men who want to take out the chairmen... a new stable the fans have been asking for?

Vince called Triple H "Paul" a great touch, everyone knows Paul Levasque is Triple H

WOW! DISCUSS DISCUSS DISSCUSS!!

Shocky

06-23-2008, 10:48 PM

You are forgetting the most important one....

Tazz: Tazz was pissed the entire night with the way ECW was getting shafted. Now this could be one of two things, 1. He was kept in the dark about the moves, still feels in his heart that ECW is a legit brand, and was legitimately upset that his brand is made to look weaker and weaker as the years go on.

or 2). he was working the crowd and workign us into believing he was shooting on camera throughout the whole night. Throwing down his headset in the middle of the main event probably won't win him brownie points in the office. This would be a helluva way to make ECW a rogue brand, and a seperate entity once more.

Saiquan

06-23-2008, 10:55 PM

methodtoll

06-23-2008, 11:00 PM

After monday night raw there were a few clues to vince really being hurt

Wrestlers: All the wrestlers went to help him. If it was Storyline wouldn't the faces like Cena and Trips have blown him off.

"Paul....Paul" He called triple h Paul which is his real name. If this was storyline wouldn't he have called him Hunter?

Im pretty convinced that maybe he was really hurt. Just for those above reasons. But i want to hear your point of views.

That was the whole point... To sell it to the fans, make them believe it was real... It was obvious to me that it was set-up because, I mean, come on, isn't it quite a coincidence that it happens as RAW is going off the air?

It is an angle...

dvayne

06-23-2008, 11:05 PM

It's definently kayfabe the cameras would have turned away so quick (Owen Hart anyone?) Him calling HHH Paul is just away to bring the realism back into it I see HHH being traded back to Raw and take over Raw and stop pretending to not be family (everyone already knows) It will end with the return of a disgruntled ex employee making a huge return (Hassan, Undertaker, Heyman) The possibilities are endless with this storyline as stupid as it could turn out this is just what they need to boost the ratings

Davi323

06-23-2008, 11:08 PM

Why would they have blown it off? Isn't the whole idea to make the "assassination attempt" look as realistic as possible? (well, at least what counts as real for wrestling) In order to sell it as being legit (which of course, it isn't) of course the wrestlers are going to go help him....Calling Triple H "Paul" only adds to the realism of the angle...If Vince legitimately got hurt, it would have been because he did the stunt improperly, fell wrong, hit his head on something, completely accidentally, NOT as a result of the set really collapsing on him...This is a 100% work. Its just like the limo blowing up, but this one came across significantly better.

As for motivation to kill Vince? Who would have the biggest problems with Vince giving away a million dollars each week? Perhaps Shane and Stephanie McMahon, mad that dear old dad is giving away their inheritance? (although, this would mostly have to be Shane, since Stephanie is very pregnant, and probably unwilling to appear on TV) OR, perhaps it is HHH, who, since Vince isn't in condition to run the WWE..."temporarily" takes over the company, as his son-in-law (they finally outright admit it, rather than just joking about it) and effectively negates his own drafting to Smackdown....

Or...going with an as yet unknown kayfabe owner...my guess would be Ted DiBiase, mad that Vince wouldn't sell the company to him, attempts a "hostile" takeover, or something like that.

Eliminating family or hostile takeover angles, the only thing that really would make sense is the return of the Undertaker, pissed off, taking no prisoners.

TheNEXTLegendKiller

06-23-2008, 11:24 PM

hey guys im new to the forum. Just thought i'd add my 2 cents in on this one.. I think its a storyline and i'm shocked noone has realized that its exactly a year since the last "Assisination attempt" on vince's life with the Limo explosion. Vince seemed to be into that storyline last year before the whole benoit incident so maybe he decided to start it up again this summer.

I_Like_All_Wrestling

06-23-2008, 11:27 PM

I think this was great. I was unexpected but yes it's totally like the limo angle from almost exactly a year ago. I think it's just a way to end the giveaway. Other than that I'd say it's an eventual Undertaker return. Overall it was a great way to end the show and godo add ins with "Paul" and everyone trying to help out. Though I thought it was a little risky especially with the initial light falling.

DubB

06-23-2008, 11:30 PM

Why would Vince break kayfabe by calling HHH by his given name of Paul? I don't get it.

Otherwise, we have ourselves our first GIGANTIC ANGLE in forever!

Top 3 Candidates for who's getting Ginormous push of 2008:

1. Mr. Kennedy. He is in dire need of being a top guy, and this will make him a HUGINORMOUS Heel when this is all over

2. Cena. IT'S ABOUT TIME HE TURNED HEEL. I'd respect him like hell if he did this. Sure his merch sells to the kids, but this would make him multi-dimensional.

3. "The" Tazz. One member here said it here before me, but I'm guessing creative has even more in store for him if he wants to move up and away from the joke that is Mike Adamle and current ECW product. I can see Tazz coming back for one last run, and come back to what got him his name in the first place.

Heel Tactic

06-23-2008, 11:40 PM

Well this is probably completely wrong, but I want to say Finlay
Finlay never did really get back at Vince after the tough love Hornswoggle thing. Again please don't rip on me for this I know its not possible but I am saying it would be awesome to see. I think that at wrestlemania it would have been better if they had Finlay vs Vince McMahon, with Finlay winning.

MrScott

06-23-2008, 11:42 PM

I like the falling, but with the way things fell, there was pretty much no possible way, anything could of even hit him, the leg of the sign hit the railing were the floor fell, and Vince was on the side to be completley out of harms way. want to bring back realisim, remove simple details like that.

Overall, i would like the culprit to be the undertaker, its a way to bring him back to raw, and i like when the undertaker feuds with vince. its made for decent feuds in the past, and has been awhile since it was done so it could create some intresting story lines.

AnthonyMango/NoFate007

06-23-2008, 11:49 PM

I_Like_All_Wrestling

06-24-2008, 12:26 AM

This is actually pretty funny. Go to ww.com and watch the "tragedy" video. At about 49 seconds look at the bottom of the leg to the right that is holding up the dollar sign. You can very clearly see and hear the lever that is pulled that brings down the sign. It's pretty funny.

Tha Franchise

06-24-2008, 12:54 AM

The first thing I thought of was "uh oh, the last time they tried this angle, Benoit killed everyone".

Clearly, its an angle. They need to figure out better ways to make us suspend our disbelief. Any idiot knows that those fake little pops and sparks from the pyro aren't how it would really go down as they look so cheap.

Suspects:

1. Jim Ross - He legitimately did it because he was so pissed off haha. J/k, obviously.

2. Shane and/or Stephanie - They were supposed to be two people involved in the limo death angle. This could be a storyline of them trying to make sure Vince doesn't give away all their inheritance.

3. Kennedy - I don't see it happening. I think they want to keep him face for a little while. If anybody is turning heel that's face right now, its Punk, HHH, or most likely Batista as he'd balance out the monster heel on Raw now that Umaga is gone.

Bolded #1- I thought the same thing, and also had a good chuckle at this (the quote, not the event).

Bolded #2- Although I feel as if this is the return of the Undertaker, the fact that WWE made an announcement that they're suspending the Million Dollar Giveaway makes the family angle much more likely. To be honest, Shane McMahon annoys the crap out of me, especially when we're expected to believe he can actually fight. I love Steph, but since she is pregnant I doubt they'd bring her into this. Odds are it's going to be Shane, or maybe even Linda.

The Ghost Of Monkey

06-24-2008, 02:06 AM

I'm waiting for the haters to come out and say how dumb this was. I myself thought it was a great idea. Its a hell of a lot better than a limo exploding. Vince is still alive but now he can't feel his legs. Strangely compelling in my opinion.

I loved the way they played it off as a real event. With Triple H getting called by his first name of Paul (Great Touch) and then the whole WWE locker room coming out and trying to help Vince. It gave a feeling of this being totally real even though we know its not. Now the real question is how did it happen or better yet who. Undertaker is a great choice as are Shane and Stephanie. Triple H could be another good option. With that beind said I personally can't wait to see how this is going to play out.

Echelon

06-24-2008, 02:27 AM

Easy, this angle was a work, but it was pretty well done. Having the wrestlers break kayfabe (ie Edge and Cena frantically working side by side, when they just had a match less than an hour before) and Vince calling HHH by his real name was a nice touch.

This is the way I see it, if this injury was legit, I don't think the WWE would have shown it on TV. Much like the Owen Hart incident, they probably would have tried to minimize it. And if this was a legit injury, more than likely we'd hear something about it on the news, which I have yet to hear anything

mrpaul

06-24-2008, 04:25 AM

Does anyone else think this could be in some way linked to Regal? McMahon had him put in a 'Loser gets Fired' match with kennedy, which he lost, just as he had become King of the WWE. This could all be a way of paving Regals return. And of course we all know (supposedly) that Kennedy was originally supposed to have been revealed as Vince's son, so maybe they'll revisit that storyline, have Kennedy revealed as Vince's son, Regal returns and is revealed as the would-be assasin, and thus feuling further the Regal/Kennedy feud. Or maybe Regal orchestrated it but Paul Burchill and kaite lea carried it out on his behalf. Thoughts?

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Just thinking about it, with kennedy moving to Smackdown I guess everything i've just suggested is pointless! I cant believe they are ending that whole feud there, but I cant see how they would continue it with the brand split, unless Vince Becomes Smackdown GM after Vickie, and Regal and Burchill turn up there? Who knows.

Derf

06-24-2008, 06:09 AM

flipside20

06-24-2008, 07:32 AM

hey guys, this is my first time posting on here but i watch over this place every day..........

just wanted to let u guys know, vince must be ok and that this would definately have been a work. If you watch the video of the accident on wwe.com, it is evident that it is a setup...

when vince gets back on his feet after falling through the stage, a close up of vinces back is shown and you can see a hinge release at the bottom of the rafter holding the dollar bill sign (that crushes vince) up. It simply releases and falls at a normal pace. So vince is ok and did a great job of selling the injury, as did the wrestlers who went and tried to save him.

as for the storyline, im hoping it was shane o mac trying to rid the world of his father and take his place at the wwe throne

thanx..:headbanger:

p.s - sorry if this was already told by some1 else and im just repeating them, i just happened to notice it and thought it would be cool to share with everyone..cheers

tehblogger

06-24-2008, 10:04 AM

I don't know where they're going with this, and I don't care. Thankfully, it will mean the end of Million Dollar Madness (or whatever it was called), which is the most important thing. It's been a dismal flop - particularly dismal from my point of view, since, being in the UK, I won't get anything even assuming it wasn't all fake - which it likely was anyway. This "McMahon disabled" angle gets them out of that elegantly and should, some intelligence being present, set up some nice new storylines. Too early to predict what those are, but somehow I'd be surprised if it turns out to be Taker's doing. That doesn't really fit with how his character has been booked recently, unless they want to...not turn him heel, but make him a lot darker.

Davi323

06-24-2008, 11:24 AM

I am automatically inclined to rule out Jim Ross as a suspect, on the grounds that from the time he got drafted to the time of the "accident", there is simply no way the WWE could expect us to believe that somehow JR was capable of rigging the light to fall, the stage to collapse, and the steel prop to fall down, in plain sight of the entire arena. Its just totally unbelievable, even for wrestling. It would have to be someone who could have rigged it before RAW ever began, which would rule out it being the result of someone pissed about being traded, so no JR.

asswhip

06-24-2008, 11:47 AM

There a suspect you guys have ignored. Chris Jericho! Think about it. The battle royal had the top superstars,but no Y2J. He also wasn't there after Vince crash,plus we know he's got an evil streak considering what he did to HBK. Plus remeber he hates liars and people who do wrong. To Jericho, Vince is another HBK.

Syke

06-24-2008, 02:34 PM

Ok im new to this forum stuff. But this angle seems....uh.....weak. It seems like everything about the WWE is weak now. There is nothing new. No good matches. No one who wrestles real matches and no good writers. This is just more terrible writing and really bad production.

Anyone who thinks that Vince McMahon is gonna really endanger himself for an angle needs to get their head checked. I know it's fake and its a soap opera for kids and grown men and women who like guys in tights, but cant you atleast keep us guessing?

I also understand that they are looking for ratings but, cant you do that by giving us actual wrestling matches?

I may be off topic but I cant be the only one who thinks wrestling sucks nowadays.

simpsons_fanatic742

06-24-2008, 02:47 PM

A personal opinion here, but I like these kinds of angles on wrestling. I like the mysteriousness of them and the suspense and drama it brings. I may be a minority, but I love this angle so far.

It looked very legit because of the wrestlers reactions to what happened. i thought it was very well done.

Now what will come of this? Hopefully WWE does this right and doesn't mess this up. I've been waiting for an opening for the Undertaker to come back and this might just be it. I also agree with alot of people talking about Shane and Stephanie. They could say that they are pissed at their dad for giving away their inheritance money and that they stopped him because he wouldn't stop himself. I don't see this being someone retaliating from being drafted because the time frame wouldn't work. If they don't know their being drafted, then they can't logically set up this "accident" in time.

Either way, this got my attention and can't wait for the weeks building up to the culprit.

lostsoulforever

06-24-2008, 03:53 PM

I think it being Taker that caused the 'accident' is a good idea, but one that comes with all kinds of problems as a storyline.

Would Taker suffer from the 'Hulk Hogan effect'? In other words, no matter how hard WWE tries to make him a heel again, the fans just won't take to it. It goes without saying that you couldn't really have a good guy paralyzing Vince, WWE fans aren't that crazy!

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Vince start calling Taker 'Mark' at some point during the Ministry storyline? That would tie-in with him calling HHH 'Paul' last night.

If it IS Taker though, I hope the angle doesn't follow a similar line as the Ministry, with Vince being behind 'the work' all along.

ironman1180

06-24-2008, 04:08 PM

This angle is just....great. Finally, we're getting something new here.

My theory: Steph and/or Shane were behind it. The way I see it, they're mad about Vince giving away millions of their inheritance week after week after week. So, they rig the stage and everything, KNOWING that it would end the contest indefinitely and therefore save the rest of whatever inheritance they could get in the future.

Now.....Having said that, I have a question. Does anyone know what the "update" was at the press conference WWE was pushing? Thanks in advance.

motownjunk

06-24-2008, 04:15 PM

I think the angle is working exactly as intended, it got everyone talking, theories flying around and I think creative hopes this will boost the ratings that RAW gets on monday nights. I just hope they don't ruin it by having the culprit someone incredibly stupid, and if the culprit gets suspended use a legitimate substitute ... I would literally put a gun to my head if its Hornswoggle returning the "tough love" and showing he's a mcmahon. Furthermore, I'd probably pull the trigger too

Straight_Edge_Mystic

06-24-2008, 05:17 PM

I admit that I was one of those who thought that it was real. I was dooped, but Steamboat Ricky kindly informed me that it was all a work and then it all clicked. What a perfect way to end the Million Dollar Mania, albeit a very strange way. When Vince collapsed, I thought oh gosh, he's having a heart attack out of shock of giving away all that money, but alas someone had sabotaged the stage and Vince is now injured. Who did it, that's the question. Shane and Steph, in particular, Shane seem very plausible to have done it. The reasons are there. He's giving away their inheritance, not to mention they both supposedly hate Vince so it would work out. I highly doubt it would be Taker, it didn't seem his style at all. Maybe it was Linda for the same reasons as Shane and Steph. Personally, I think it wil be revealed to have been non other than Vince McMahon himself. He realized he was in a bind and so had to get to get out of it. Killing himself wouldn't work as that plan was tried and failed. He decided to rig the stage and is only faking his injuries in the storyline. His accomplice in the whole set-up would be a returning Rikishi, he ran down Stone Cold, why not take out Vince for Vince. I'm just kidding, it should be Triple H, great way to turn him heel and bring up the whole son-in-law thing. He was trying to help out his father-in-law and in so doing his wife, Steph, and kids. Anyways, I hope this works out better than the Vince is dead angle.

mcflyboy

06-24-2008, 05:57 PM

I'm going to go out on a limb here. When I saw this occur, I assumed it was story-line. But I didn't think it was going to be set up as an "assassination attempt" that it seems like everyone else who has posted in this forum. My initial reaction was that it was just an "accident", and it would keep vince off TV for a little bit, then he'd come back and somehow be different for a while; even more angry than usual, or more nice. Maybe he'd be in a wheelchair for a while too. The thought that this was going to turn into someone trying to kill him honestly did not cross my mind.

While it is possible that this may be where the story goes (and to be completely honest, I sure hope not), there also is the possibility that the story will have this be nothing more than an accident to somehow change the vince persona for a while.

Crimson Bonez

06-24-2008, 06:26 PM

I just want to point somthing out that I don't think was a good idea with this angle that I don't think anyone else noticed, and I'm sorry if this seems spammy, but I bring up a good point.

What happened last night was basically, the stage fell apart and somthing fell on Vince. It would have been a great idea on their behlaf if they didn't try somthing simaler last year, but there is one other HUGE thing that comes to my mind right now... Didn't someone working with TNA actually die in a simaler way a few weeks back? Having a part of the stage fall from onder them or somthing? I know this wasn't the point of last night, but if this gets noticed by too many people, heres another crappy angle to look at people bitch about...

yea i was thinking the same thing, i mean they did this the same month last year where vince's limo blew up, and the whole set blowing up happens a day before beniot had died , and a few weeks after the guy working for TNA gets killed from a accident similar, i think the story line that they're going with
this is good (if they dont mess it up) but i think they cut it close with with these other events (deaths) that happend

Fizzy

06-24-2008, 08:29 PM

heres what i think at first i thought it wasnt fake cause vince was callin triple h paul which they NEVER call him on tv they always call em hunter tht made me think it was real then i started thinking about it and i relized its fake as shit cause the thing didnt even hit vince plus anyone no why he like totally jumped or fell off the stage? ive been wonderin tht

Sparky

06-25-2008, 09:54 AM

I like the story line it's interesting and it aint over doing it like last year's angle. Just hope noone get's hurt like last year. I might be the only one to think it but could this just be away to turn face and end the Money Mania.? Face it Vince has a near death experiance, Comes back in a month or so a changed man, It frightend the hell out of him and realised that life is to short. so he is going to give the fan's what they want. it would also boost rating's. People will be just tuning in to see what Vince is now like. Either that or.. Edge. Vickie might of been the one to of done that segment. Edge didnt want to go through with the marrage so he figures he would try and make her quit the WWE. not that this will be the storyline but it sound's good. I still think it was either an accident in the storyline or that vince somehow had something to do with it.

andymcg

06-25-2008, 05:22 PM

Hmm few intrestng posts in here. first off id like to agree with a few of the other guys and say is this ment ot be set up as a "who hurt vince" storyline ? could jst be a way to end money mania as wwe did need to try end it. as soon as this incident occured there was a message on wwe.com saying that money mania had been suspended.

However moving on , if this is a who hurt vince storyline then ive got a few guys. now i no some might sound weird but keep in mind everything wwe has done for storyline wise for ages has always had weird endings. hornswoggle bein vinces song , kennedy helpin kill him , etc etc.

suspect 1 - obvious one first , the undertaker. Off tv for sometime now and would be a nice way to bring him back. however i dont think its him. it doesnt fit his charcter at all as he is pretty much the only legend left. Also edge got him fired why would he go try take out vince ? wouldnt edge n vickie be the first to take out ?

suspect 2 - edge - vickies power may be to little in edges view and he may have got her to try take over the WHOLE wwe so he could take as many titles as he wants. taking out vince would be a nice way to start. he also done a segment with edge earlyer that night were he said something like "use 2 could be split up by this draft" for no apparent reason. Edge has the perfect charcter type for this as well , afterall he would do anything for wwe gold wouldnt he ?

suspect 3 - kennedy - this ones a tricky one to for me but who noes. kennedys just starting to turn face n hes away to smackdown now weres theres not alot of faces. specially with batista away and possibly taker. would they turn him heel again so fast ? However he was ment to be behind the vinces limo explosion last year so who noes.

suspect 4 - shane or steph maybe even hhh - was wondering out off all the wwe superstars vinces name could have called (cena = john , edge = adam , batista = dave) why did he shout on hhh ? could this be a link to show that miby shane n steph with the help of hhh r tryin to take out vince for givein away so much of there cash ? suppose you could say hhh is his son-in-law (i think its tht ?) but with wwe you never no.

suspect 5 - jericho - hes been needin to turn heel since his return as he works a hell of a lot better heel. hes started off by taking out hbk could he now be takin out vince ? his titantron has went from "save us" to "save me" so he could be tryin to take out all of the lier and cheeters that he hates. afterall vince is one of them.

suspect 6 - finlay n horny - could be revenge for tuff love ? we never did find out what finlay and vinces "deal" that they made ? or did we and i just missed it ? i never seem to recall hearing anything about it anyway.

these r what i think but with wwe you never no what ur dealing with.

michaelj817

06-26-2008, 07:40 PM

Confession: while watching the incident occur on Raw and the piece of the stage fall, I thought it was real. When the pyro went off around Vince, I changed my mind and figured it was a work. However, after the stage fell out, the Money Mainia sign fell, and all of the wrestlers kayfabed breaking kayfabe, I immediately got sucked back in and turned to my friend and said, "I think this is real". However, I once again questioned the reality of the situation when the cameraman jumped into the crevasse and started shooting footage of Vince, who for all they knew(if it was real) could have been dead.

Had they stayed at a wide shot until the end when they pulled him out, or cut to a crowd shot, or just cut the show off suddenly, it would have completely sold it as real to a general wrestling and general audeince. Regardless, it was very well done, and only time will tell if it boosts ratings. I missed ECW, but I will be sure to catch SD to see if they replay it over and over like any other wrestling angle. In my opinion they shouldn't do this, and treat it as "real" as possible for the time being. Also, the fact that they didn't go for a more realistic ending in effect, killed off any possible news coverage the following day in the national media.

If WWE had gone the more realistic route, they would have undoubtedly incurred major criticism for pulling such a stunt almost exactly a year after the Benoit Incident. While some might say that stunts such as these are in bad taste in a post-Owen Hart era, I see no fault in an angle such as this. What is the difference between the stage collapsing on Vince, and a wrestler getting beat up in the back and working an injury?

This has the opportunity to make or break WWE in transitioning into a new era. I know we all throw the "E" word around a lot, but when I saw that stage fall, I saw a glimmer of hope for the WWE to once again break through into the mainstream in a way that mirrors the WWF of the 80's and attitude eras. However, what will determine the companies path is whether or not they waste this opportunity. They already squandered any chance of getting news coverage of it by giving it a worked feel with the camerawork. But that doesn't mean that they have to squander the opportunity in one more..."who killed/tried to kill vince" storyline.

Personally, I hope that this will be the straw that broke the camels back in publicly revealing on TV that HHH is indeed part of the family. As far as suspects go, HHH is the most logical because Vince was giving away all of his and Steph's inheritance. I think that part is a little predictable, but is probably where they will go with it. It has the potential to be huge if they want it to be. This could be the beginning of an angle in the vein of the NWO and Austin vs. McMahon, but whether WWE chooses to waste this potentially money angle is in their hands.

oddone

06-27-2008, 03:14 PM

I cant believe Im the first one to go here. Who is McMahons biggest rival of all time?
Stone Cold Steve Austin. We have all heard the rumors and speculation,that Austin is going to wrestle his last match at Wrestlemania 25, which just happens to be in his home state of Texas. We probably wont find out who was behind this until at least Summerslam. We find out it was Austin, we've got 6-7 months of Vince trying to get his revenge on SCSA. Austin pulling his normal stunts on Vince,Shane,and Steph. Around the time of the Rumble Vince brings HHH back to Raw as a surprise. He admits that HHH is family and the focus shifts to HHH vs Austin at Wrestlemania, where Austin wins his last match in the main event. The biggest guy in the history of the company[yeah austins bigger than hogan] beats the top guy in the business now, at the biggest event ever that just happenes to be in his home state. It doesn't get any better than that.

tha_icon85

06-28-2008, 08:21 PM

here's storyline
milk this for a nice month or so then let ted sr reveal that he another wit shane and they took him out in order to buy the company @ a lower price cuz wit vince out stocks drop. but shanes not revealed till SS as his business partner. shane states his reasons r more personal, vince was selling the rest of the families stocks to current wrestlers in order to rasies the weekly million to give away. orton v cene ME reveals the next gen stable as they distract cena and orton hits the rko to win the wwe title. raw shane proclaim that he is the controliiing hand of the wwe and everyone in it. out comes orton and he states that he doesn't control him. shane orders orton v shane and cena no dq and if orton loses he's stripped of the belt. and he bans cenas goon from ringside. just when cena abot to hulk a win up shane turns on cena and hit him wit cena chain wrapped around his fist. orton looks shocked and and it faded to black. the next week cena comes out and demands to kno wht the hell happen, orton comes out and says he has no clue whts going on, shane pops on the titantron and says he controls everything even ortons goon and they come out and jump cena and orton. ME orton cena V shane and the next gen stable. in the end they all jump cena and next week shane reveals that he and ted sr wit the assistance of the next gen stable take vince out. their gonna take over the wwe one title @ a time. he is the power behind the next gen stable being a 3rd gen star himself.

this could go in all type of directions, is vince gonna get revenge. will cena from a chain gang stable to get revenge. wit shane owning the company the next gen and go to any brand and get title shot. it can be a complete hostle takeover until someone steps up and stops them. this will rasies rating on all brands and get over countless stars. tell me wht yall think

buddy_z34

06-28-2008, 11:52 PM

interesting storyline icon. it never crossed my mind that Shane was a 3rd gen star. maybe he will be the manager of the stable instead of Ted Sr.

instead of Cena forming a chain gang i think the better one is having the 2nd gen stable go across every brand and take away the titles from everyone. thus leading us into survior series or something of that nature after we get done with summer slam.

but this storyline has got me excited once again about wrestling. i cant wait til it unfolds in our very own eyes.

chasingamy

06-29-2008, 07:37 AM

Mighty NorCal

06-29-2008, 08:04 AM

Amy got the closest.

It was Regal. His character was that of a crazy, over bearing, power hungry tyrant. He was then dumped, fired, in a very unceremonious, humiliating manner. SO how does he go about getting his job back?? by getting rid of the guy in charge now. The guy who fired him. Unless they want to just waste the entire push they gave him. Its a rather easy, simplistic storyline really. He comes back, meaner and more evil than ever. I will further be entrenched in this theory if Cena or Batista wins sunday. They are the perfect kinds of faces to have an upward battle against the british tyrant GM.

TheOneBigWill

06-30-2008, 01:09 AM

That was so fake looking, how could you even think this wasn't an angle. Nothing cool will come from this. It will more than likely be William Regal as a way to work him back into the show.

I'm gonna tell you right now. If they wouldn't of added in the fireworks, and just left it with the fixture falling from the roof.. I would've completely questioned it being staged or real. It looked real at first, but as someone else said.. the fireworks just screwed the whole angle.

Hell, even if McMahon acted scared and played off not knowing what to do, then having the stage give-way.. I would've somewhat bought into it until I knew for sure it was staged. Because again, the fireworks were the only thing making the whole segment look fake. (apart from the show being wrestling, and storylines being fake.. but still)

mrtuddy

06-30-2008, 02:05 PM

I'm undecided whether they'll take this angle in a 'Who done it' direction, but I'm sure they'll replay the stage collapse often and play on the viewers' sympathies for the great WWE chairman for the next few weeks. Clearly it was a way to end the Million Dollar Mania. It didn't really help the ratings and Vince was going to just keep giving away millions. I think they'll keep McMahon off TV for awhile to really sell the accident and his injuries.

In his absence, Raw will lack a central authority figure to govern the show and let's not forget the Raw GM position remains vacant. This sets up Regal's return, and his suspension is up in three weeks. He could go to the Board of Directors, Linda, or Shane and ask to be re-instated, claiming the show needs his leadership, having literally crumbled without him. In sharp contrast to McMahon showing fan appreciation, Regal's loathing for the fans will be stronger than ever and he'll find new, innovative ways to bring Raw and the fans under his firm hand. With Kennedy on Smackdown now, my only question is who will step up as the next hero and take on Regal?

I don't know if Regal was responsible for it, but I think that he will return as GM. His profile is still up on WWE.com while Undertaker's was taken down almost immediately... kind of hinting toward the idea that he's coming back to RAW.

Either way, I think that his closest ally on RAW was Paul Burchill. It would be good exposure to have Paul Burchill be like... the RAW Ambassador or something. You know, kind of like Val Venis/Sean Morley under Eric Bischoff.

But as far as the Vince McMahon angle goes... I'm hoping that it will make RAW better because right now I don't want to watch it... no world champion and we're kind of left without storylines right now.... let's hope.

RBH

06-30-2008, 05:52 PM

I am surprised that they went with this as I thought that they would have learned their lesson after last year. At least he is not dead and just injured. McMahon is known for loving the spotlight and this should be no different. It seems that we are in line for a new mystery storyline involing the entire McMahon family (do not really know about Steph since she is pregnant.).It will hopefully involve a top face in the company or an up and comer and allow them to grow into something better. I am really intriuged to see where this is going and I hope this does not become a dropped storyline. I hate seeing stories dropped for no apparent reason.

NYSandman

07-04-2008, 01:21 PM

I'd love if it were JR! After the way he's been treated over the years, it would be great if he snapped.

That would mean his whole getting angry over the Smackdown! switch was a work.

I also find it interesting, even though they were in Oklahoma, having the whole JR farewell from Raw speech. I think it would be a great choice, and I also don't think too many fans would think that Good Ol' JR would do such a thing.

Imagine JR as a MONSTER heel? He could start a stable, have the King and other announcers beat up. It would be gold. He could recruit some of the younger wrestlers, giving them a chance to show their stuff.

Another possibility. Randy Orton! The Legend Killer decides to destroy the ultimate legend, the CEO of WWE!

I don't think it's Kennedy, unless they bring back the whole illegitimate child thing, being they never really said WHO it was, as the Hornswoggle thing was proven a hoax.

I really don't know where they're going with this, but my interest in Raw has been peaked for the first time in awhile, which I consider a good thing. :)

Mr. TM

07-05-2008, 01:01 AM

Are we going to say that this was an "accident," someone elses doing, or something else?

An Accident could go in a few story lines.
1.) Vince McMahon vs Shawn Michaels- Continuation of the God story line from WM22
2.) Vince McMahon vs WWE- budget cuts by the WWE has caused the stage to collapse

An attack by someone else could also play out
1.) JR's Revenge. After getting drafted to Smackdown, JR calls up a hit on McMahon the same night as a revenge against Vince McMahon
2.) Shane's time. Shane made an appearnce on Raw saying that Vince needed our support or whatever. Could it have been Shane who has a plan to take out the chairman and insert himself into the throne of WWE?
3.) Ric Flair's Woooooo! Ric Flair makes his return, and Vince McMahon, the man who forced him to retire, is knocked almost to death. Coincidence? or a con on vince? you decide

Wrestling_No-logicX

07-05-2008, 11:20 AM

The storyline is a great set up, I highly doubt when Undertaker comes back he will be directed back to smackdown as in real life HHH and him don't get along, So maybe it is undertaker..We just have to wait and see.,..

Golden Standard

07-05-2008, 11:27 AM

Or this could be a way for the Undertaker to return. He could have set the whole thing up so he can get his revenge for being put out of the wwe. And he continues to do these things until he can come back and when he returns he returns as Big Evil an on the raw brand.

dvayne

07-05-2008, 11:51 AM

The way its playing out so far i see it as a power struggle storyline making it most likely to be

1 JBL - fed up with losing decides to take out Mr. Mcmahon to call martial law on raw to keep himself in title contention

2 Regal - I see this as the perfect set up to get him over as a top heel when he comes back. They could use The Burchill's as the ones that set it up for Regal. Like how Rikishi got over because HHH hired him to run down Austin

However a huge storyline like this should be used to catapult a young up and coming star that needs the push, hence new suspects
1. MVP - He needs something big right now to get him over for good

2. Mr. Kennedy - Everytime they try a big storyline or push it gets ruined so its possible to throw him in again

3. Lance Cade - very unlikely with the honest man gimmick I could actually see himself and Jericho aligning themselves with Mr. Mcmahon

phat_inallthegoodplaces

07-05-2008, 11:51 AM

all i say is let's hope no one else dies like last year with benoit and sets the story back an ENTIRE YEAR. i think it's McMahon's way of saying he's ready to retire, so he's going out with a bang, like he tried last year. make way for shane to take over. but the death of one of his wrestlers called him back to duty, so he never got arond to retiring. now's his chance.

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07-06-2008, 09:20 AM

I'm going for Shane O'Mac. He gets himself an enforcer on RAW. When Steph returns, she enlists Triple H and they have a big match sometime. Something like that.

Or JBL is the other option, to declare himself Marshall of RAW like he did this week.

Colamania

07-07-2008, 06:10 AM

OK, I'm gonna go right ahead with my opinion on this whole Vince debacle. Now, the fact is, one year ago, Vince did this storyline for the first time. And it was looking interesting, before the whole Benoit scandle. Again, I'd just like to outline, this IS the same storyline. No matter how WWE try to cover up any evidence of the existance of the limo explosion or the Benoit scandle, this is a "who killed Vince" all over again. So, the eternal question - whodunnit?

My personal suspects are as follows:

1) John Cena, possibly with Cryme Tyme. Cena has been in desperate need of a heel turn for a long time, but since the draft, he's crying out for a storyline. Orton's injured, Trips is on SmackDown, Edge is on SmackDown. Cena's only enemy on Raw right now is JBL. What better rivalry is there than with the Chairman himself? And this new alliance with Cryme Tyme could be a serious moneymaker if it's played out right, as has been discussed previously. And attempted murder of the Chairman of WWE - that's one hell of a Cryme.

2) Mr. Kennedy. Again, he's crying out for a storyline, and with SmackDown now being the A-Show, Vince appearing on it seems a lot more likely than it did a month ago. Personally, this is my preference, because I'd love to see Kennedy as the new Stone Cold, flipping off authority, Mic Checking referees and officials, beating up Shane on a regular basis. Kennedy is one of those guys who's loved by the fans no matter who he is, so give him that role and watch him explode.

3) CM Punk. I know, it's unlikely, I'm only really including him as a different option. But think about it. Before the night of the draft, Punk was stuck on ECW, going nowhere fast despite having the briefcase. Suddenly, the stage collapse happens, and boom, within a week, Punk's the World Champion. Hell, it could even turn out that the young guys have formed a stable to take over Raw. I mean, come on, a stable of Punk, Kofi, Cody and DiBiase could be interesting.

Those are my main suspects anyway. Aside from those guys, the only others I can really think of are Shane O'Mac, JBL and 'Taker. But if you really want my opinion..

I'm going out on a limb and saying my money (money, yeah yeah) is on Cena and Cryme Tyme.

Crimson Bonez

07-07-2008, 09:03 AM

My personal suspects are as follows:

1) John Cena, possibly with Cryme Tyme. Cena has been in desperate need of a heel turn for a long time, but since the draft, he's crying out for a storyline. Orton's injured, Trips is on SmackDown, Edge is on SmackDown. Cena's only enemy on Raw right now is JBL. What better rivalry is there than with the Chairman himself? And this new alliance with Cryme Tyme could be a serious moneymaker if it's played out right, as has been discussed previously. And attempted murder of the Chairman of WWE - that's one hell of a Cryme.

I'm going out on a limb and saying my money (money, yeah yeah) is on Cena and Cryme Tyme.

gotta say of i llike this idea, and its one i havent heard of yet, if wwe does indeed go with the cena/cryme tyme stable team up whatever you wana call it, this would be a great way to do it, and make cryme tyme look like a serious tag team

chasingamy

07-07-2008, 12:14 PM

Let’s recap what’s happened (or rather not happened) since the stage collapse.

On the ECW and Smackdown shows that week, they replayed the stage collapse video and both General Managers extended their well wishes but didn’t divulge any medical information. Last week Shane opened Raw with a statement that only regurgitated the facts: (1) Vince was in a horrible accident and (2) again no medical details are forthcoming. The angle was not mentioned at all whatsoever on last week’s ECW or Smackdown shows.

So thus far it looks like this angle is only going to be played out on Raw and there’s been no play on our sympathies for Vince and no suggestions it was anything other than an “accident”. What is interesting to note is there were a few references to Raw being without a “boss” last Monday…JBL flat-out said it and later declared martial law.

For the above stated reasons, I’m more convinced than before that this will not be played out in a ‘Who tried to off Vince?’ manner. Rather it seems to be building to Raw being without a GM and I still say it’ll be Regal. His suspension is up in two weeks.

takerfan120

07-07-2008, 06:03 PM

here is my 2 cents. I think they will work this into a long storyline spanning anywhere form 8 months to 1year. Where it will initially work into a story about raw being with out a boss. Eventually someone, who I think will be shane, will step up and take control of raw. He will slowly continue to spread his authority to all three brands over 3-5 months primarily through events at ppv. I see him firing Vicki and whoever is the GM of ECW and installing pupet GM's and eventually colalescing into a solid "commissioner" like character where Shane will rule over all of WWE.

After about of a Month of Shane in complete control either Vince or Steph will Emerge as a counter power. I think Steph, because I think that vince may be ready to semi retire, and She will Challenge Shane to a match at WM25 to decide who will take control of the company.

This I think will provide a perfect reason to create a dream match at WM25 where Shane will pick Mr. Wrestlemania HBK as his rep. and Steph Pick HHH as her's, but taker will take HHH out as he wants to take on HBK at WM25 and he will represent Steph.

Well thats my 2 cents what do you all think.

FromTheSouth

07-07-2008, 11:28 PM

Joaquim Akaem

07-08-2008, 09:22 AM

Well Kane asking if he's alive or dead seals that it was Taker. Kane was probably in on it too. The Brothers if Destruction are getting ready to run roughshod over Raw. You saw tonight when the light collapsed during the CM Punk interview.

Nothing mysterious happens in WWE without Taker being involved.

Maybe maybe, but there could be some other explanations to it all.

Firstly the lights crashing down.... Could be the Phenom, Could just be to signify the whole, RAW is lost without a leader like Mcmahon angle. Not that if Vince was there, he could have personally stopped a light falling down or an estranged fan running around backstage. Either way this, to me, seems like WWE are trying to convey a point that RAW is falling apart.
This is on top of Shane and Stephanie making the speeches along the lines of "we need to pull together", and the announcers cosistatly druming into our heads the importance of teamwork and unity, (anyone else get that?).
I cannot clearly see a big picture, but i think there is definatley something there.

Either that or I'm just over-estimating the WWE, I mean how capable are the writers of coming up with an interesting complex angle which cleverly progresses without explaining any unusual activities on the Undertakers supposed "powers".

Now onto the Kane shouting "is he alive or dead" thing. Beats me, he could be talking about anyone, could be Mcmahon, could be Taker, could be unrelated to any of these things. Hell, Kane doesn't have the reputation of being intelegent, and he hasn't been on RAW for a while, maybe he just wants to know where JR is nowadays, he did attack the announce team after all.
Then again, Kane shouts random irrelevant stuff all of the time for no reason. He used to freak out about may 19th, but only once in his 10+ year career have i seen him get pissy in the first three weeks of may.

But the "alive or dead" thing being in the main event would obviously assume that this is something big and important. Mcmahon is the biggest unexplained story at the moment and there is a strong possibility that the two are related, but it's not definate... Yet.

If The Undertaker is comming back soon, it is highly probable that this is the reason his brother went on a rampage. How many other times does Kane take the last minutes of a show, unless the Deadman is right behind him.

tokenjew22

07-08-2008, 09:48 AM

I remember reading something on the homepage that mentioned the reason Vickie and Edge's marriage was put off was to eventually have it happen, and have the Undertaker interrupt it- If this was the case, would they really have the Undertaker make his return to RAW?

Kane has to be talking about Vince, and my thought it that he alone is behind everything going wrong on th show. With both Shane and Steph making statements before each show, it has Kane wondering if his plot to kill McMahon has worked or not...

John87

07-08-2008, 04:19 PM

The Undertaker isnt going back to RAW unless they trade him over for HBK, Cena and most likely CM Punk because Taker is too valuable to the SD! brand and too much of a star power and RAW already has enough of that and that is why he went to SD in the first place. and i honestly think Kane was definately talking about vince cause i definately know he wasnt talking about the crew guy or the king. It has to be Kane behind it and what better crazed S.O.B than Kane? it just makes more sense to me.

tehblogger

07-08-2008, 04:31 PM

Hopefullly this will be Regal. His suspension is all but over, I think, and the storyline could be that by taking out Vince he got his job back, seeing as Vince was the one who sacked him. Once Regal's back, the chaos will stop as the iron British fist returns. That storyline could build up and up, too, as Regal's guilt is gradually uncovered by it leads up to some kind of epic-showdown somewhere. Maybe Wrestlemania. We'll see. Either way I can't wait to see what they do with this.

slickman123

07-11-2008, 06:30 AM

i just have a feeling its undertaker? i cant see hhh and taker on the same show due to their personal problems? and also how will the wwe explain takers return? did the match with edge not happend? i mean he could have just got the crap beat out of him and returened later on! why should we take a retierment match seriously anymore? if the guy returns with in a month the stripulation at one night stand was stupid neways undertaker and kane would be awesome on raw

TheOneBigWill

07-22-2008, 04:07 AM

After further review I'm completely convinced it was Shane & Stephanie McMahon, with the possible help and inclusion of William Regal. If you stop and look at the facts, it's really not hard to see at all.

First, William Regal gets fired because (storyline wise) Mr. McMahon wanted to show appreciation to the fans and give back to them. So, he made a match in which it was fair without any one sided possibilities. Mr. Kennedy defeats Regal, and McMahon then fires him. So Regal has plenty of motive to be involved in the actual stage accident, especially since toward the end of his reign as General Manager and King of the Ring, Regal was slipping slowly into insanity.

Second, and really the most important aspect, the Million Dollar Mania give-away. Mr. McMahon wasn't giving away just any random amount of money. He wasn't just coming up with this money from some charity, or other group, it was suppose to be HIS money.. which by default would be his children's money, when he passes away.

Shane and Stephanie McMahon had every reason in the book to take their Father out, because he was single handedly giving away "their" money, to tons of individuals he didn't even know, all to attempt pleasing them. So when you factor those two situations in, it's really easy to come to the conclusion that it was Shane & Stephanie, with the help of William Regal as the fall guy.

Shane and Steph then issue several warnings to the Raw roster, demanding self-control. Both of them know this will never happen, so they explain that if it doesn't change and things don't begin to get under control, they'll have no choice but to show up and take actions themselves. This allows them to perfectly bring William Regal back, which would be their agreement to Mr. Regal for helping them with their plot to take out their Father.

Regal just wanted his job and General Manager role back, so he can continue controlling everyone on Raw. Shane and Stephanie just wanted Mr. McMahon to stop spending all their soon-to-be money. It makes perfect sense, and anyone who can't see that isn't looking.