Brian Danielson has a matchbefore Raw!

[FoleyIsGod]

Just read a thing on the main site about Brian Danielson wrestling a dark match before Raw. Im not taking this too seriously, but when I heard this story, I actually stepped back and thoguht wow. If he was given the ball and told to run with it, he would drag the WWE out of its slump and have stellar matches with guys like Y2J to Cm Punk and even the usual names like Cena.

its just a matter of if the WWe are willing to let him do what he does best, which is having whitehot matches

[klunderbunker]

This suprised me. Danielson is one of the biggest names in ROH right now, and for him to have a seemingly random tryout on Raw is just odd. I don't know much about him, but if what I've been told is any indication, he could be a great asset to the company. My worry is that if he's a smaller guy, his talent will be wasted in WWE. For the most part, indy guys don't thrive in WWE. That may be due to Vince, but i don't know that for sure. Either way, I'm intrigued by it, because it could turn into something interesting.

[IrishEnglishman24]

As Klunder said, Indy guys, or anyone who has made a name outside of the WWE (RVD, Booker, Vader etc), are always held back a little more than vince's creations. I think Vince has an ego problem such that he can't bring himself to believe that someone can build a reputation for himself outside of being created in the WWE. Danielson will probably get held up for not doing what he's told and wanting more control, because he's a big indy name and this pisses creative off, sort of the way CM Punk does.

If he goes it could be interesting, but probably end up doing very little for ages.

[klunderbunker]

What Polley says is true. It seems to me a lot of the problems indy guys have is how limited their movesets are made. Look at Punk for example. If you watch some of his indy matches, you see a guy with an entertaining moveset. Things like various kicks, strikes etc, and he finishes with the Vice or the Pepsi Plunge. The Plunge is a pedigree from the middle rope, and the Vice is a sweet submission hold. Now we get the GTS, which I'm rarely impressed with. People talk about Punk being bland, but it's the way he's being booked. He has the skill and talent, as we've seen from his ROH days, but he seems to be being told not to work his usual style. If this happens to Danielson, it's a waste of talent by Vince.

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

I don't think that anybody should be getting too overly excited about this as Danielson used to be a regular on Velocity and has received alot of looks from the WWE without them signing him. Also, WWE has a way of underutilizing wrestlers who were indy stars. Just look at how much they have watered down CM Punk in the current product. Safety is a big issue in WWE and alot of the moves that guys do on the indy scene that look sick or amazing look pretty awful after they have been "sanitized" in the WWE. So I wouldn't take this with too much stock until you hear about him getting signed to developmental. Then, unfortunately, is where he decline will begin.

[IrishEnglishman24]

They've always done that. Look at London sure. What is his finisher? 450 splash and shooting star both got banned. The thing is WWE don't care about the flashy moves, they just want moves people recognise and will pop to. I'm sure Jeff Hardy knows more moves than WITW and Swanton, but those are the two he gets pops for, so they get used the most.

[kylexxx]

I know that the dark matches are kinda like house shows and the results aren't as important as the televised matches but correct me if I have been miss informed, did bryan get the win over cade? Cade the same wrestler that they were grooming for a singles push. Why not give him the win unless they have plans for danielson..

[justinsayne]

This suprised me. Danielson is one of the biggest names in ROH right now, and for him to have a seemingly random tryout on Raw is just odd.

Danielson is one of the biggest names on the indy scene period, which is likely the reason he got the tryout in the first place, lets remember CM Punk was also one of the biggest names in ROH when he was signed by WWE, shit if I remember right he was ROH champion, so this really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone

I don't know much about him, but if what I've been told is any indication, he could be a great asset to the company.

Bryan Danielson is good, but he is also likely the most overrated wrestler to ever step in the ring, especially as far as the IWC goes, honestly he probably wouldn't draw shit in WWE

[Shanks18]

This isn't the first time that Danielson has wrestled for the WWE, so you can't really read to much into it, however they did give him the pin over Cade during a dark match so that may be somehthing to get excited about..possibly. And as stated they seem to be grooming Cade for a singles push.

What some people forget is that Danielson was trained by both HBK and Regal (also trained with Cade) and is reaching 30, so the prospect of some job security must tempting for him. He's an adaptable, techinically sound wrestler, and although he's under 6ft, so was Benoit and he did pretty well...kinda. The thing is, he's much better on the mic and can work a crowd. He also has a MMA style, which I can imagine Shane would love to incorperate, since he was such a hard-on for the sport.

Agreed, London and Kendrik have been so mishandled its unbelievable, but CM Punk has done well despite having to adapt his style slightly and Matt Sydals debut was handled very well and looks very promising despite a name. But as has been stated Vince likes to create his own superstars. I even heard a rumour he broke out his Shooting Sydal Press at a tapping. The treatment of Colt Cabana give us a good idea of the WWE's future handling of established indy talent.

[Y 2 Jake]

This won't lead to anything. Danielson neither has the look, or the wrestling style for WWE. He'd bore the fans to tears with his matches, and he's get no fan support because of his look. He's a more muscular (If you can call him that) Colin Delaney. The face is almost exactly the same. Yet Delaney would probably be more over. Danielson wrestlers long, technical matches. WWE fans wouldn't like him one bit. He was probably just in the area, and thought it would be a nice oppertunity to meet up with London & Kendrick.

[Monkey Winchester]

I agree with Jake. It probably wont lead to jack. Brian Danielson is a damn fine wrestler. But because of that fact hes overrated. WWE fans wouldnt like him. He is pretty much a less charasmatic version of Chris Benoit. He can put on good matches, but doesnt do anything that would interest you. I know I could care less if he came to WWE. As a matter of fact I probably would change the channel.

[Y 2 Jake]

you people are fucking idiots

what makes you so sure he couldnt get over in WWE?

he definetly wouldnt be working 30- 60 minute matches, he has the talent to adjust to WWE style

he isnt some nobody that was brought up through developmental, another clone fresh off the factory line...he has tons of experience from years around the world...i think he cold get over just fine...

it is all in how he is booked...i dont see him winning World titles, but an IC or US title, or even ECW title wouldnt be too far fetched

he has paid his dues and deserves a chance, i mean saying stuff like "he wouldnt draw shit" is an ignorant statement...what, are any of the other random mid card guys actual draws?

and also, he didnt come up through WCW or TNA, so he virtually unkown to the mainstream, so the "Vince didnt create him" arguement doesnt really stick to me

i would hate to see him leave ROH, but if this does turn into him jumping to WWE, then good luck to him...i will definetly start watching WWE again


Wrestlers in WWE wrestle the same style. They don't wrestle however they want like in TNA and indy feds. There is nothing in Danielsons current repetoir that would truly get over. He would go to development, and he would have to change everything about his style. It happened to Punk, it happened to Paul London, it's happening to Chris Harris. What you know outside of WWE is irrelevant. Over in Japan means fuck all. WWE management don't watch it, nor have even a passing intrest. To WWE they are the one and only wrestling promotion.

I'm sure he has the talent to adjust. But it will take him a while. He'll also always look like a teacher. At least Punk has tattoos.

[justinsayne]

I agree with Jake. It probably wont lead to jack. Brian Danielson is a damn fine wrestler. But because of that fact hes overrated. WWE fans wouldnt like him. He is pretty much a less charasmatic version of Chris Benoit. He can put on good matches, but doesnt do anything that would interest you. I know I could care less if he came to WWE. As a matter of fact I probably would change the channel.

I've always thought of Danielson as more of a less charismatic version of Regal myself, they even have a similar look, and well I think everyone knows how successful Regal has been in WWE, the biggest difference between the two is that Regal actually can talk, Danielson's promos have never really been that great IMO, so there is really nothing about him that screams WWE success

[wrestlingfanart]

Danielson has two huge things working in his favor.
1. Shawn Michaels
2. Phenomenal wrestling skills
And he has only one thing working against him
1. His size.
That being said, I think he would be a wonderful addition to the RAW roster, maybe helping Shawn Michaels in his feud with Jericho and Cade. And by the way. I've seen him cut promos, he ain't half bad. If Michaels and others work with him, he could be a great talker as well as a great worker.

[lionheart01]

well i think that something could come of this, and i think it would be great. Danielson isnt nearly as overrated as the IWC thinks he is. Its just the same old thing with the IWC, one wrestler gets popular then one person talks against him and everyone else wants to be cool so they all start to hate that wrestler(like cena)

but anyway, back to danielson. I think with a little work he could adapt to the wwe style and be a great addition, but he should debut on smackdown because that brand always seems to have more wrestling...

[AnthonyM4]

I'm sure wwe will pay him more money and that will definitely be a reason for him going there(in addition to accomplishing everything he can in ROH), but they will not use him right. He'll be an afterthought just like a lot of other talented guys like Kendrick, London, and Jamie Noble. Maybe he'll be allowed to use his own style for one match before wwe makes him change it, thus making him unappealing. I won't be looking forward to seeing Bryan Danielson in wwe.

[TheGreatSPAMbino]

Bryan Danielson is not the type of wrestler who could get over with the mainstream wwe audience, he has no charisma and his promos are bland. Sure he does lots of fancy submission moves but the casual fans wont give a damn.

[Sasha Fierce]

Danielson is an indy's god. He has amazing matches and the fans love him, with that being said, if you put him in the WWE he is basically nothing. You usually need one of three things to be sucessful in the WWE.
1. Charisma-charisma can make or break a wrestler. If you have charisma you stand a shot in the WWE.
2. Mic Skills-Look at Kennedy, he is nothing special in the ring, but the guy cuts a good promo and people love him.
3. Size-If your a big man(Mark Henry, Snitsky, ect) you dont really need charisma or mic skills to get pushed.

Wrestling ability probably comes fourth for the WWE. If you can wrestle thats good but it wont get you far if you dont have charimsa or mic skills. Danielson does not spue tons of charisma and his mic skills are really not there. He could have some good matches in the WWE and thats about it. Look at Punk, he was an indys god, and people hate him. He does have alright mic skills, and some charisma so thats how he gets by, Danielson would not be a very good fit for the WWE, unless they change their criteria on who to push. He should countinue doing what he's doing now, so that he's legacy(to the eyes of indy fans) does not get tarnished(like Punk).

[jmt225]

I don't understand how anyone could ever say Danielson doesn't have charisma. If you watch any of his ROH stuff, you'll see he's one of the most charismatic guys in the company. It's not in a Shawn Michaels or Hulk Hogan type of way, but more in something like Edge, which is why I do think Danielson would get over as a heel in WWE. He knows how to carry himself in such an arrogant way that's it's hard not to want to punch him in the face whenever he gets in that zone. He'd be a lot like Bob Backland during his feud with Bret about 13 years ago. It work out just fine, I know it.

His mic skills, while not great, are still on par with someone like Randy Orton; that's a guarantee. I'm positive he could go out in front of thousands of people and cut a smug promo good enough to get him over. His heel mannerisms during matches are what would ultimately keep him over.

And as far as his work in the ring goes, he would be able to adjust just fine. I’m 100% positive about that. He's one of the very few guys on the Indies who gets psychology and knows how to tell a story the way it's suppose to be told in a wrestling ring. And he does in the same way Kurt Angle does it. In fact, thinking about it, that's who I would most compare Danielson were he ever to go to WWE: Kurt Angle. That snotty fucking heel you just want to kill, but can also fully enjoy his matches, which are ALWAYS something special.

[HBK-aholic]

People are in love with him for some reason, I don't really see the appeal. I think he's completely overrated and boring. Which is perfect for the WWE. I joke. But nothing will come of this. There are certain styles you have to fit into when joining the WWE, and Danielson doesn't fit into any. For the indy scene, he might be good yeah. But the WWE is completely different, and he won't get a real chance at anything. If he did join the WWE I think it's ruin his status of being a great wrestler. How he got that in the first place, I'll never know but meh.

[TheOneBigWill]

People are in love with him for some reason, I don't really see the appeal. I think he's completely overrated and boring. Which is perfect for the WWE. I joke.

I agree that he's a bit overrated, however I disagree on the whole "boring" aspect of it. He's the Lance Storm, William Regal and Chris Benoit of Indy Wrestling. He has no gimmick, not real personality, he's just a very solid shooter. (I think that's the right term) Of course he wouldn't appeal to you, he doesn't shake his ass, dance (badly) to corny music, or wear hearts all over his butt. :p

But nothing will come of this. There are certain styles you have to fit into when joining the WWE, and Danielson doesn't fit into any.

Of course he does, open your eyes. I just said he's the Benoit/Regal of the indy scene. Again, I'm tired of people being hyped up and over-pushing guys on the fricken indy scene, because none of that means jack when you make it to the big-leagues, but the fact is he will fit nicely if he can manage to either find a personality, or find a way to get over without one.. to a crowd bigger than 500.

For the indy scene, he might be good yeah. But the WWE is completely different, and he won't get a real chance at anything.

You might wanna think before you post the next time. Do I really NEED to remind you who our current World Heavyweight Champion, on Raw, really is? I mean seriously. You're using my type of thought process, but you aren't allowing yourself to see both sides of the issue.

If he did join the WWE I think it's ruin his status of being a great wrestler.

Why? I don't really know what else to say other than to ask blatantly, why? What does him joining the W.W.E. have to do with suddenly making him a terrible wrestler, or as you said "ruin his status" as a great wrestler?

How he got that in the first place, I'll never know but meh.

He wrestled? :rolleyes: :p

[Y 2 Jake]

You make a good point about him being the Lance Storm, William Regal and Chris Benoit of the indy scene. WWE really don't have anybody at the moment that can probably have a really good match with almost anybody. They've got Regal, but in the 10 years he's been in WWE (on and off) he's only got over as a comedy G.M. He'll never get over in the same way that Benoit did.

WWE needs somebody who's new to the company, who they can rely on to have good matches with almost everybody. While they have Undertaker & HHH. Neither is going to help with somebody who needs a little help, and take a loss. But Danielson would be more than capable of making one of those big green wrestlers look ok, and not be effected by a loss to them.