Ric Flair Is The Most Overrated Piece Of Shit Wrestler Ever

[Y 2 Jake]

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[a0161613]

Bit random....but I will bite.

Overrated...definitely not
The Best ever....it's is not a clear cut.

I got the first Flair DVD which opened my eyes to his 80's work. He was as good as anyone in that decade.

I cannot vote without a third option....something along the lines of "He's good but not the worst!"

[Y 2 Jake]

He's overrated because he's rated so highly by everyone. Yet from 1993-2008 he was by far one of the most embarrassing wrestlers to watch. If his career had ended in the early 90's then he'd be one of the greatest of all times. But it didn't.

[a0161613]

He's overrated because he's rated so highly by everyone.

OK that makes sense!:headscratch:

Yet from 1993-2008 he was by far one of the most embarrassing wrestlers to watch.

Agreed but he had his moments, when he allowed himself to be carried. WM24 obviously. and I think he had a great match with HHH on a Carolina Raw in 2002 (i think)

If his career had ended in the early 90's then he'd be one of the greatest of all times. But it didn't.

Agreed 100%.

[Y 2 Jake]

OK that makes sense!:headscratch:



Perfect sense. If everybody rates him so highly, it stands to reason that he can't live up to the hype. Which he doesn't. Wrestlers like Hogan aren't overrated or underrated, as opinion is split on them.

[a0161613]

I see the problem with Hogan, Flair etc is they never retired at the right time. They always wanted that one more day in the sun.

I reckon it is why Savage is quite popular. And why Austin will be thought of in the same way.

I hope HBK takes the hint when it gets too tough for him, that could be soon.

[Green Ranger]

Without a doubt there isn't anyone who is more overrated than Ric Flair. His wrestling is overrated. His matches are overrated. His impact to the business is overrated. His charisma is overrated. Almost everything about him is overrated.

I remember buying the Flair DVD with huge anticipation of seeing this "great wrestler" in some of his best matches, and by the time I finished watching it I was hugely disappointed, and from then on I knew he was as overrated as they come. Every one of his so called "great" matches are basically the same match with different opponents. His matches always lacked flow, psychology, realism and storytelling. He's also one of the most crappiest and unrealistic sellers of all time, not to mention his ridiculous comedy spots that he loves to fit in to all of his matches.

Just because Triple H and Shawn Michaels say he's the greatest, doesn't mean he actually is the greatest. I hate that the WWE has over-glorified his career. They have given millions of fans a bullshit illusion that Flair is the best ever, when in reality he's far from being the best ever.

[Esteban Ochocinco]

I think the thread of the title says it all, and ironically the guy that has tried to imitate his idol the most is proving himself to be just as over rated as his mentor was.

[FOTH 3:16]

You people are disrespecting the greatest ever.The man who could draw a crowd for over 30 years,who had more charisma and mic skills that ten people need,who had the best wrestling ability ever.Ric workes his friggin ass of for 36 years for the fans and for his love of the buisness.Ric was the best ever.The NWO and D-X and Evoloution were OK,but they wouldn't be here without the 4 Horsemen and Ric Flair.Flair is better thyan you and always will be and he is not overrated never has been and never will be.He is the man and to be the man you gotta beat the man.And you will never,EVER,beat the Man.WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOO!

[FOTH 3:16]

You people are disrespecting the greatest ever.The man who could draw a crowd for over 30 years,who had more charisma and mic skills that ten people need,who had the best wrestling ability ever.Ric workes his friggin ass off for 36 years for the fans and for his love of the buisness.Ric was the best ever.The NWO and D-X and Evoloution were OK,but they wouldn't be here without the 4 Horsemen and Ric Flair.Flair is better thyan you and always will be and he is not overrated never has been and never will be.He is the man and to be the man you gotta beat the man.And you will never,EVER,beat the Man.WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOO!

[image1986]

Wow such hatred to a man who gave the fans almost 4 decades of entertainment. You right if he retired 93 he would be seen in a better light but the man had a passion for the business that few had. Overrated? Nah not in the least the reason he is in high regard is because a lot of wrestlers try to pattern flairs success. If you based your opinion on a wwe dvd(laughing) then you really don't know ric flairs career. He was prototype you use when you cut a promo or how to draw emotion out of the crowd. How many 60 year olds can walk let alone wrestle. The only reason I would ever consider flair the best is because his career spanned so long and people paid to see him. If you aint entertained by flair than you are just hard to please

[ch46745]

I think the thread of the title says it all, and ironically the guy that has tried to imitate his idol the most is proving himself to be just as over rated as his mentor was.



Micheals and HHH wasen't the only wrestlers that idolized Flair. I've heard many of wrestlers and fans say that flair was one of the reasons that they started watching wrestling, him and Hogan. Flair has acheived more than most wrestlers done in their whole carrier. Him and Dusty Rhodes made Starrcade one of the most know wrestling events in history. Flair has put over many wrestlers including Sting,and Barry Windom. It is not fair to try and burry what this man has spent 36 years of his doing trying to entertain wrestling fans and giving them memorable rivalries and moments for us to remember.

[kenchoe]

Was Ric Flair the best?

Was his matches the best? No.

Could he draw? No.

Was his retirement 15 years overdue? Maybe.

So...what was so great about the "Nature Boy"?

The sum is greater than the whole of its parts.

Ric Flair had a bigger impact (IMHO) than damn near anyone in this business. His charisma launched a thousand careers. Sure, he was a mark for the belt, and the business in general, and yes, he was made fun of by some of his peers (Steiner)...but damn...when you heard him speak...

You believed.

That my friends...is what makes "Natch" so great.

[Dalkonian]

Was Ric Flair the best?

Was his matches the best? No.

Could he draw? No.

Was his retirement 15 years overdue? Maybe.

So...what was so great about the "Nature Boy"?

The sum is greater than the whole of its parts.

Ric Flair had a bigger impact (IMHO) than damn near anyone in this business. His charisma launched a thousand careers. Sure, he was a mark for the belt, and the business in general, and yes, he was made fun of by some of his peers (Steiner)...but damn...when you heard him speak...

You believed.

That my friends...is what makes "Natch" so great.

Agreed. He wasn't the best in the ring, and he wasn't the man to pack people into the stands, but despite what some people would have you believe he did have charisma. When the man got on the mic he could make you feel what he wanted you to feel. He could make ya laugh, could make ya cry, could make ya just pissed off, but somehow, he'd get a reaction out of ya. And that's what made him great, IMO. Greatest of all time? That's debatable, but calling him a piece of shit is selling the man's career short.

[Y 2 Jake]

So he gave 36 years to the buisness. You know why that is? Because he needed the money. Nothing more. If he knew his financial limits he would have quit a long time ago.

He's not even the most influential wrestlers of all time. That would probably be Billy Graham, or another another Nature Boy wrestler.

[Shadowmancer]

you mean Buddy Rogers?

[FOTH 3:16]

Originally posted be Teddy Ruxpin
So he gave 36 years to the buisness. You know why that is? Because he needed the money. Nothing more. If he knew his financial limits he would have quit a long time ago.

He's not even the most influential wrestlers of all time. That would probably be Billy Graham, or another another Nature Boy wrestler.

Dude this guy was the best ever.If he needed the money,he coulda got another job.Ric did it for love of the buisness,not for the money.Even if it was for the money,it was still for the buisness too.

Originally posted by Kenchoe
Was Ric Flair the best?

Was his matches the best? No.

Could he draw? No.

Was his retirement 15 years overdue? Maybe.

So...what was so great about the "Nature Boy"?

The sum is greater than the whole of its parts.

Ric Flair had a bigger impact (IMHO) than damn near anyone in this business. His charisma launched a thousand careers. Sure, he was a mark for the belt, and the business in general, and yes, he was made fun of by some of his peers (Steiner)...but damn...when you heard him speak...

You believed.

That my friends...is what makes "Natch" so great.

The Nature Boy put on many great matches,he went for sixty minutes in a match or two,his matches might not have been the best,but they were up in the top five.He did draw crowds,people came to see the Nature Boy,wether it was to win or to lose,they came to see him.He retired when he felt he could do no more,when you are actually supposed to retire.Other than that,I agree with ya Kenchoe.

[Murfishes Can Use Calculus and Physics]

How many 60 year olds can walk let alone wrestle.

I stopped reading your post after this.

[Esteban Ochocinco]

As shadow said, there was a good Nature Boy, and his name was Buddy Rogers, greatest heel ever from what I've been told.

If Flair retired, hell, five years ago, I would have cared, but he's spent 15 years as a middle of the road to lower card caliber wrestler, even if he was booked as a main eventer. If you spend 1/3 of your career as a crap wrestler, that makes you incredibly average and not one of the best ever.

[Shadowmancer]

Well for greatest Heel ever he has to go up against Bockwinckle, Ed Lewis, Georgous George (The Original One), "The Destroyer" Dick Bayer, The Original Sheik and A few Others. But Ric Flair owes his career and pretty much all wrestlers owe their career to Mr. Wrestling I. The man that saved Pro Wrestling. He was in the plane crash that Ric Flair was in but he made it to the show when he was in immense pain something like a couple of weeks after the crash and Wrestled.

[Mighty NorCal]

Anyways

Ric Flair is shit. He never drew shit (see the Hogan Vs Flair thread) And is absurdly overrated. And absolute embarassment for years now. People like to make themselves feel smart by saying RIc > all. When it only shows just how badly worked by the biz your truly are.

[HBK-aholic]

I love Ric Fliar. Gosh that guy is entertaining. He may not be the best in every damn aspect of the business but no one is. Cena, Hogan, Austin etc. All classed as the biggest names yet none of them are brilliant at everything.

Flair wasn't the biggest draw in the world but as a wrestling fan why should I give a fuck? Who makes the most money is something for McMahon to worry about. Me? I've seen very few wrestlers with as much passion for the busniess. The guy gave practically everything. And he is great yes. He was entertaining, and inspired so many people to get into the business.

[image1986]

Lol yea murfish I said that what I mean by the comment is that wrestling doesn't have a retirement plan and for any 60 year old to be able to take bumps every night and perform at a certain level is amazing let alone ric flair.

Now anyways ric flair did draw but on a smaller scale. In addition had respect from many of his peers and younger stars. Of course there are a lot of things you can say about the man that are negetive but the man was an inspiration. Just because he wasn't the biggest draw ever or didn't sell out crowd everytime he perfomed doesn't take away from his legacy and how important he was to wrestling. For any wrestler to have a title means the promotion has given them the ball to run with and flair has the ball 16 times so politics aside it had to something to flair that he was champion so many times

[IC25]

For starters, that poll is horribly biased. The choices are to agree that Flair is shit or succumb to a statement of herd mentality and state that he is the best ever. Is this a question of whether Flair is overrated, or is it a question of whether Flair is the greatest ever, because those are two totally different questions.

That notwithstanding, Flair is NEITHER shit NOR is he the greatest ever. Ric Flair is a man who worked hard in professional wrestling for 30+ years, fought back from a broken back suffered in a plane crash, helped the wrestling world transition from the territory system to the national power it is today, wrestled countless opponents in classic matches, 60-minute marathons, etc. He won major championships EVERYWHERE he went, no matter who else was there. We won the WWF title while Hogan was there, and he carried the NWA/WCW through the 80's.

Furthermore, he did this all in the old style. He wasn't the biggest or the strongest guy by far, but he used his character, his mic skills, and his storytelling to make his character larger than life. He improvised better than almost anyone, and his interviews and quotes are iconic.

Spare me the "he didn't draw" bullshit. Lots of greats didn't draw, but they were still impresive wrestlers. Flair drew alright - he was no Hogan and no Austin, but that's ok. The business has survived many years without them. With Flair, you could even make the arguement that he got better with age. He remained loyal to the business and devoted himself totally to it, despite all of the BS politics - some he was the cause of, some he was the victim of.

Flair is a legend and is not overrated. I don't think he's the best ever, but he has to go into a lot of people's top 10 lists.

[Skullz Crack'Em]

Such harsh words and disrespect for Ric Flair, I am surprised some of you guys are actual wrestling fans. I admit, WWE has really hyped Flair up to be greater than he was, but he was great nonetheless. He had some of the best catch phrases in the wrestling business, performed some of the best promos in the business, had many great matches, and created the launching pad for some of the best stables in wrestling history, without the Four Horsemen, there would have been no nWo, DX, or Hart Foundation. Ric loved the business and the fans, it is purely obvious, I doubt he was crying during his retirement speech, match, and farewell address because he wasn't going to get a big fat paycheck from Vince anymore.

[reddevil69]

Flair's legacy has been re-packaged and re-manufactured for the past 6 years due to the fact that upon returning to WWE, he became close friends with HHH who idolized him as a young man and that is who inspired him and HBK to become wrestlers. Hunter and Shawn and the WWE have pandered to his legacy over and over again.

Back in the 80's Flair was great and considered just that by many of the magazines and wrestling pundits, but so was Randy Savage. Flair was never any better than the best guys in the business at that time.

I will agree with the posters who say that he was a hard worker, no doubt about it. He was passionate about the business, no question but everyone needs to consider this:

In 1991 Flair came to WWF and was released just over a year later. WHY? If he was so important to the business and drew money Vince would have never let him go in the first place. Hogan had left, Savage went down for over a year with a severe knee injury that required surgery, Warrior was fired again....why would you let Flair go at that point when your top 3 guys were all gone? He let him go because he did not need him..period. Flair was not drawing the kind of money nor garnering the attention that was becoming of a guy who was touted as the 'real world champion'.

I don't want get into a Bret Hart debate here, but Flair has accused Hart of being a weak champion, yet he was the one asked to drop the strap to Bret and history and numbers have shown us that Bret Hart drew far better as a champ than Flair did in 1992,1993 and 1994...when Flair went back to WCW,the WWE was still out-drawing them in house shows and ppv's...all the while Bret and Taker were the top guys in WWE....while I agree with HBK-Aholic, we as fans should not care about who drew what, if you are entertained by someone than why should you care what they draw, I think that the claim Flair made against Hart is ridiculous when you consider the facts, Hart has sold more merchandise and his DVD has outsold Flairs, so for Flair to say he's not a draw means Flair was less of a draw.

When it came time to step up to the major league WWF in 1991 and perform on an international platform, Flair did not produce the desired results the promotion was looking for. I'm sure this is where his sour grapes towards Hart stems from...again you have to put this in perspective, human nature is human nature: Flair most likely thought that with Hogan,Savage and Warrior out of the way, he would be firmly entrenched as the top man in WWF and was blindsided by McMahon's decision to put the world title on Bret Hart.

Of course one would think that if Flair was so passionate about the business and had any inclination of what wrestlers were making a large impact on the fans in 1992, that he would have seen Bret coming.

He was a hard worker but he was limited in the ring. I've watched his dvd and all the matches are generally the same, with all the same spots in all the same places.(again he accuses Hart of being a routine wrestler)I've heard it said that Flair /Steamboat was the best match of the 80's, i disagree. Savage /Steamboat was a far more entertaining match in my opinion.I don't care if Ricky and Ric went an hour, it was full of boring rest-spots and the match dragged. Savage /Steamboat at WM3 is still talked about to this day as stealing the show at that event.

Flair was great but he never adapted with the times and changed his style of ring work like Undertaker has which is why he's having the best matches of his career at 43 years old.Taker is far better than Flair was at 43 in the ring. I think that he was one of the best during his era but not of all time. Hell Curt Hennig had it all: good looks, better body than Flair, more athletic than Flair,could cut a great promo, had charisma and could draw great heat as a heel, yet no one speaks about him in the same light as Flair. He was having great matches in AWA for years before coming to WWF and if he did not suffer the recurring back injury that put him out of wrestling for over a year, I think he would have been Vince's world champ at some point.

Again i think flair was a great wrestler, but not the best of all time, not even close and for that i'd say he is overrated and he has benefited from the fact that he is the only guy from his era that has been able to perform as an active wrestler under the WWE hype and marketing machine for the last 6 years or so. Just because HHH and the WWE say he's the greatest does not make it so. That is like saying that the Rolling Stones are 'the world's greatest rock n' roll band" as their slogan says. Just because they are the oldest and been around longer does not make them the greatest.

I think Flair should have retired 15 years ago and maybe he'd be remembered as one of the greatest instead of someone who wore out his welcome and embarrassed himself by having to be carried by younger wrestlers for the past decade.

Having said that, i think calling him a piece of shit is completely uncalled for and just not true.

[Mighty NorCal]

Flair's legacy has been re-packaged and re-manufactured for the past 6 years due to the fact that upon returning to WWE, he became close friends with HHH who idolized him as a young man and that is who inspired him and HBK to become wrestlers. Hunter and Shawn and the WWE have pandered to his legacy over and over again.

Back in the 80's Flair was great and considered just that by many of the magazines and wrestling pundits, but so was Randy Savage. Flair was never any better than the best guys in the business at that time.

I will agree with the posters who say that he was a hard worker, no doubt about it. He was passionate about the business, no question but everyone needs to consider this:

In 1991 Flair came to WWF and was released just over a year later. WHY? If he was so important to the business and drew money Vince would have never let him go in the first place. Hogan had left, Savage went down for over a year with a severe knee injury that required surgery, Warrior was fired again....why would you let Flair go at that point when your top 3 guys were all gone? He let him go because he did not need him..period. Flair was not drawing the kind of money nor garnering the attention that was becoming of a guy who was touted as the 'real world champion'.

I don't want get into a Bret Hart debate here, but Flair has accused Hart of being a weak champion, yet he was the one asked to drop the strap to Bret and history and numbers have shown us that Bret Hart drew far better as a champ than Flair did in 1992,1993 and 1994...when Flair went back to WCW,the WWE was still out-drawing them in house shows and ppv's...all the while Bret and Taker were the top guys in WWE....while I agree with HBK-Aholic, we as fans should not care about who drew what, if you are entertained by someone than why should you care what they draw, I think that the claim Flair made against Hart is ridiculous when you consider the facts, Hart has sold more merchandise and his DVD has outsold Flairs, so for Flair to say he's not a draw means Flair was less of a draw.

He was a hard worker but he was limited in the ring. I've watched his dvd and all the matches are generally the same, with all the same spots in all the same places.(again he accuses Hart of being a routine wrestler)I've heard it said that Flair /Steamboat was the best match of the 80's, i disagree. Savage /Steamboat was a far more entertaining match in my opinion.I don't care if Ricky and Ric went an hour, it was full of boring rest-spots and the match dragged. Savage /Steamboat at WM3 is still talked about to this day as stealing the show at that event.

Flair was great but he never adapted with the times and changed his style of ring work like Undertaker has which is why he's having the best matches of his career at 43 years old.Taker is far better than Flair was at 43 in the ring. I think that he was one of the best during his era but not of all time. Hell Curt Hennig had it all: good looks, better body than Flair, more athletic than Flair,could cut a great promo, had charisma and could draw great heat as a heel, yet no one speaks about him in the same light as Flair. He was having great matches in AWA for years before coming to WWF and if he did not suffer the recurring back injury that out him put out of wrestling for over a year, I think he would have been Vince's world champ at some point.

Again i think flair was a great wrestler, but not the best of all time, not even close and for that i'd say he is overrated and he has benefitted from the fact that he is the only guy from his era that has been able to perform as an active wrestler under the WWE hype and marketing machine for the last 6 years or so. Just because HHH and the WWE say he's the greatest does not make it so. That is like saying that the Rolling Stones are 'the world's greatest rock n' roll band" as their slogan says. Just because they are the oldest and been around longer does not make them the greatest.

I think Flair should have retired 15 years ago and maybe he'd be remembered as one of the greatest instead of someone who wore out his welcome and embarrassed himself by having to be carried by younger wrestlers for the past decade.

Having said that, i think calling him a piece of shit is completely uncalled for and just not true.


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[Green Ranger]

Flair's matches with Steamboat are so unbelievably overrated. People say the Hart/HBK ironman match was boring (not true), but every move they did had a purpose, every spot flowed nicely and logically to the next spot. Watch any of the Flair/Steamboat marathon matches, actually watch any of Flair's "great" matches, and you'll see that there's no real flow, it's more or less just a random succession of moves being performed that doesn't really lead to anything. Most of his "classic" matches were complete borefests that dragged on and on. Bret Hart said it best when he said that Ric Flair was 30 minutes of non-stop non-psychology.

[MisterRob]

I'm just curious. Where is all this proof that Ric Flair wasn't a draw?

[Mighty NorCal]

Hogan vs Flair thread. Old school section. read it. specifically posts by Slyfox969

[jmt225]

Was Flair a good wrestler? Yes. Was he entertaining as hell to watch? Yes. Is he the greatest of all time? Absolutely not. The only reason he's overrated is because too many clowns says he's the greatest ever. He's like the Bret Favre of pro wrestling, and his fans are just like Packers fans. Sure, Bret Favre was awesome, but so many people exaggerate his awesomeness and absolutely deny his faults. It’s so damn annoying.

[Esteban Ochocinco]

Such harsh words and disrespect for Ric Flair, I am surprised some of you guys are actual wrestling fans. I admit, WWE has really hyped Flair up to be greater than he was, but he was great nonetheless. He had some of the best catch phrases in the wrestling business, performed some of the best promos in the business, had many great matches, and created the launching pad for some of the best stables in wrestling history, without the Four Horsemen, there would have been no nWo, DX, or Hart Foundation. Ric loved the business and the fans, it is purely obvious, I doubt he was crying during his retirement speech, match, and farewell address because he wasn't going to get a big fat paycheck from Vince anymore.

I'm sorry, but that one line there is probably the most over used, crap line I have heard from the business the last few years. The WWE has pushed so hard to sell that line of crap to people that everyone is starting to believe it. The Horseman were big, yes, but to insinuate they were the only reason much better stables later on succeeded is just crap. Hell, the Heenan Family was a better stable then the horsemen.

[ch46745]

How can anybody really know exacly how much Flair was drawing in NWA/WCW besides the executives of the company at that time?

[Y 2 Jake]

And what about that Mania 24 match, crap huh?

[reddevil69]

Was Flair a good wrestler? Yes. Was he entertaining as hell to watch? Yes. Is he the greatest of all time? Absolutely not. The only reason he's overrated is because too many clowns says he's the greatest ever. He's like the Bret Favre of pro wrestling, and his fans are just like Packers fans. Sure, Bret Favre was awesome, but so many people exaggerate his awesomeness and absolutely deny his faults. It’s so damn annoying.

I agree. The Favre analogy is a good one...the guy was playing like absolute garbage 2 years ago and it was a trend that had been going for a few seasons...i'll give him credit he came back last year and had a great season and he should be proud, but the NFL jumped all over it because they are in need of big marquee heroes at quarterback...you can only ram Manning and Brady down everyone's throat for so long. Now you have a bunch of bandwagon Packers fans saying he was the greatest and they are so sad he's gone.

This is the same as Flair's situation. He's been shoved down our throats as this living legend for the past 7 years by WWE and people eat it up whole. I defy anyone to sit down over the course of a few days and watch the Flair DVD,the Bret Hart dvd, the HBK dvd, The Tombstone dvd, the Mysterio dvd
and both the World class and AWA dvds and tell me that Flair was better than
those guys and Nick Bockwinkel, Curt Hennig, David and Kevin Von Erich, Michael Hayes, Terry Funk, and even though he does not have a dvd you better damn well include Randy Savage in that group, he was way ahead of his time...a high flyer with all the charisma of Flair and a better physique who could tear down the house night after night with Lawler, DiBiase, Santana, Steamboat and Jake Roberts...many of those matches lasting 30-45 mins.

and this crap that i've heard Flair extoll about having to wrestle an hour to 'truly be great' is absolute horseshit....HBK and HHH proved that in their 47 min cage match 4 years ago and it sucked balls...does anyone even remember it?...Savage/Steamboat at Mania 3 was 15 minutes and was one of the best matches ever...it's about quality, not quantity...it's about what we as fans take home with us after the matches are done, not the length of the match.

another Flair quote i love is the one where he was asked about bashing Bret Hart in his book....Flair's response: " I have spent more money on spilled liquor than Bret ever spent on ring attire" WOW!! and that makes you a better wrestler how? Being a drunken ass that waves his dinky at female flight attendants on plane rides makes you a great wrestler? But you'll never hear HHH or HBK mention that when they praise him as the be all end all of this business.

Flair has his place and he did influence many guys to become wrestlers but i'm pretty sure Savage did as well...you just don't hear about it because he's out of the spotlight...and for that matter, we'll see what the next generation of guys that come have to say about Bret being an influence...don't tell me that dudes who were watching wrestling in their teens during Bret's peak from 1991-1997 were not inspired by him to put on tights, as well as Taker and HBK....it sure as hell wasn't Flair inspiring people at that point in WCW unless you live in the Carolinas.

[ROHDude]

Without a doubt there isn't anyone who is more overrated than Ric Flair. His wrestling is overrated. His matches are overrated. His impact to the business is overrated. His charisma is overrated. Almost everything about him is overrated.

I remember buying the Flair DVD with huge anticipation of seeing this "great wrestler" in some of his best matches, and by the time I finished watching it I was hugely disappointed, and from then on I knew he was as overrated as they come. Every one of his so called "great" matches are basically the same match with different opponents. His matches always lacked flow, psychology, realism and storytelling. He's also one of the most crappiest and unrealistic sellers of all time, not to mention his ridiculous comedy spots that he loves to fit in to all of his matches.

Just because Triple H and Shawn Michaels say he's the greatest, doesn't mean he actually is the greatest. I hate that the WWE has over-glorified his career. They have given millions of fans a bullshit illusion that Flair is the best ever, when in reality he's far from being the best ever.

I couldn't agree more. I always thought Flair was overrated, so I went and bought the DVD the day it came out because I wanted to see all these classics, and you are exactly right. Same sh*t, different opponent. Pretty boring stuff.

[Skullz Crack'Em]

The fact that 20 people voted Flair to be the most overrated of all time proves that he isn't that overrated at all, since only 7 more people said the opposite.

[ROHDude]

The fact that 20 people voted Flair to be the most overrated of all time proves that he isn't that overrated at all, since only 7 more people said the opposite.

Actually I think that proves he is that overrated. Only 7 more people said he isn't. 7! That's not a big difference. Now out of the 47 votes if only 10 people said he is overrated and 37 said he isn't then you're arguement would be right, but 20 to 27 I think proves he is overrated.

[HBK-aholic]

It's the new fashion to hate on Ric Flair.

[ROHDude]

It's the new fashion to love Ric Flair.

Corrected.

[HBK-aholic]

Ric Flair has been loved by fans for decades. Albeit he wasn't his best when he retired, BUT he is still great. However a couple of people decide he was overrated, and then before you know it, it's 'uncool' to like him.

[Green Ranger]

The fact that 20 people voted Flair to be the most overrated of all time proves that he isn't that overrated at all, since only 7 more people said the opposite.

LOL. Your "proof" is from an online poll with a massive 47 people, where 27 out of 47 disagree that Flair is overrated?? Hilarious.

[Skullz Crack'Em]

LOL. Your "proof" is from an online poll with a massive 47 people, where 27 out of 47 disagree that Flair is overrated?? Hilarious.

The thread is called "Ric Flair Is The Most Overrated Piece Of Shit Wrestler Ever". With 20 people out of 47 saying they hate him, I think I made a fair point. If he truly was the most overrated wrestler ever, only a few people would have agreed with Jake, not nearly half of the 47 voters!

Basically what I am saying is, the more people that likes Ric Flair, helps prove the point that he is overrated, but when you have more people bashing him in this thread rather than praising him, then he possibly can't be the most overrated wrestler ever.

[travis_touchdown]

I think I made a fair point.

Why, because this forum presents an actual representation of the full wrestling community?

I still can’t understand how you can justify your assertion with the limited evidence in your possession. An online forum poll with 47 votes isn’t exactly concrete evidence.

[Skullz Crack'Em]

Why, because this forum presents an actual representation of the full wrestling community?

I still can’t understand how you can justify your assertion with the limited evidence in your possession. An online forum poll with 47 votes isn’t exactly concrete evidence.

I know that only 48 votes is not concrete evidence, but when you got somebody saying that Ric Flair is the MOST overrated wrestler of all time, I am expecting most people to vote for Flair being great, to prove that accusation.

[travis_touchdown]

I know that only 48 votes is not concrete evidence

Then would you choose to make the statement if you knew it was far from being valid? If the evidence itself is weak why would the assertion based on it be any different?

but when you got somebody saying that Ric Flair is the MOST overrated wrestler of all time, I am expecting most people to vote for Flair being great, to prove that accusation.

This forum does not represent the majority of wrestling fans. Furthermore, only a limited number of wrestling fans are members of the board, and an even smaller amount of the fans participated in this poll. The votes here do not provide sufficient evidence for your assertion. A preconceived notion does not change this.

[Freedom 35]

I wonder who the next wrestler that a respectable poster or two dislikes that will become hated by random clowns is?

[Evan Snow-Wolf]

Without a doubt there isn't anyone who is more overrated than Ric Flair. His wrestling is overrated. His matches are overrated. His impact to the business is overrated. His charisma is overrated. Almost everything about him is overrated.

I remember buying the Flair DVD with huge anticipation of seeing this "great wrestler" in some of his best matches, and by the time I finished watching it I was hugely disappointed, and from then on I knew he was as overrated as they come. Every one of his so called "great" matches are basically the same match with different opponents. His matches always lacked flow, psychology, realism and storytelling. He's also one of the most crappiest and unrealistic sellers of all time, not to mention his ridiculous comedy spots that he loves to fit in to all of his matches.

Just because Triple H and Shawn Michaels say he's the greatest, doesn't mean he actually is the greatest. I hate that the WWE has over-glorified his career. They have given millions of fans a bullshit illusion that Flair is the best ever, when in reality he's far from being the best ever.

Why is it that this exact same logic doesn't apply to Hogan?

[Jim618]

My point exactly if Flair is overrated because he had the same matches everytime so is Hogan. What people fail to realize is Flair could wrestle his a** off and did this for 4 decades! Flair made a name for himself for making other wrestlers look good. He would go out there and take a pounding in the ring then get a quick win with a handful of tights. He was the dirtiest player in the game. All these fans on here that are trying to take away from his legacy by judging him for the last ten 8-10 years of his carreer obviously dont know what there talking about. A LOT of wrestlers today couldnt pull off what naitch has accomplished. :flair: 16 Time World Champion! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Green Ranger]

Hogan's matches made sense. Flair's didn't. That's the difference. Everything Hogan did had a purpose, it all logically lead to telling a good story. Whereas a lot of the things Flair did was meaningless crap that lead to nothing. Hogan was a master at working the crowd and telling a great story in the ring. All Flair did was a bunch of random moves for 60 minutes.

One thing Flair did in many of his matches was push the referee, then the referee would push him back harder, making Flair look like an idiot. What the hell is the point of that? How does that add anything to the match? How does that contribute to the story of the match? It doesn't. All it is is one of the many ridiculous comedy spots that Flair used over and over again.

And then there's the Flair Flop. Where he would get hit in the head a few times, walk away and fall on his face. Also, the upside down turnbuckle spot and the climbing of the ropes only to get thrown off every single time... Again, what's the point of all this crap? All of these asinine cartoon spots do nothing for the match except take away all the realism. All of this bullshit, and people say he's the best ever? Please.

[Shadowmancer]

and Hulking Up is not asinine cartoonish bullshit?

don't bring Hogan and flair comparisons in here as they are both as bad as each other when you get down to it until you look at drawing ability. and for the purposes of this argument we aren't.

[Freedom 35]

and Hulking Up is not asinine cartoonish bullshit?

don't bring Hogan and flair comparisons in here as they are both as bad as each other when you get down to it until you look at drawing ability. and for the purposes of this argument we aren't.

Ive tried to say this so many times in past debates and its never stuck...beauty shadow

and before anyone feels like telling me that hulking up got the crowd going, watch a Ric Flair match and tell me how loud the crowd gets for the Flair flop.....tis very loud

[Green Ranger]

and Hulking Up is not asinine cartoonish bullshit?

don't bring Hogan and flair comparisons in here as they are both as bad as each other when you get down to it until you look at drawing ability. and for the purposes of this argument we aren't.

No it's not because it adds to the story of Hogan's matches. That's what his character is all about, to overcome almost impossible odds. When he's about to lose he finds strength from all of his Hulkamaniacs and defeats the heel. When Hogan Hulks up does the crowd go crazy? Damn right they do. He has worked that crowd, got them to invest their emotions into the match, and route him on to win. Flair can't even touch Hogan on that. Flair's cartoonish spots add nothing to his matches, other than a bit of comedy relief.

[Freedom 35]

No it's not because it adds to the story of Hogan's matches. That's what his character is all about, to overcome almost impossible odds. When he's about to lose he finds strength from all of his Hulkamaniacs and defeats the heel. When Hogan Hulks up does the crowd go crazy? Damn right they do. He has worked that crowd, got them to invest their emotions into the match, and route him on to win. Flair can't even touch Hogan on that. Flair's cartoonish spots add nothing to his matches, other than a bit of comedy relief.

^^^see above

[Shadowmancer]

Id say Hulk Hogans Asinine Bullshit of Hulking up is part of the reason that Wrestling lost some of its magic. The same with the Steroids trial, And the Screwjob. Nice Job WWE kill the Magic.

[reddevil69]

My point exactly if Flair is overrated because he had the same matches everytime so is Hogan. What people fail to realize is Flair could wrestle his a** off and did this for 4 decades! Flair made a name for himself for making other wrestlers look good. He would go out there and take a pounding in the ring then get a quick win with a handful of tights. He was the dirtiest player in the game. All these fans on here that are trying to take away from his legacy by judging him for the last ten 8-10 years of his carreer obviously dont know what there talking about. A LOT of wrestlers today couldnt pull off what naitch has accomplished. :flair: 16 Time World Champion! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No one is disputing that Flair was better wrestler than Hogan...Hogan was overrated too but he made a boat-load of money for every single wrestler in the WWF while he was on top....when he was on the card the gates were through the roof. Ability vs. ability, Flair was better, but that still does not make Flair the greatest because there were alot of guys that were better than Hogan. What hogan lacked in ring skill he more than made up for in charisma and presence..Flair will never transcend the business like Hogan did. I was never a hogan fan growing up but i cannot deny his appeal was massive on a global scale. For my money Savage was better than both of them in my opinion.

Also, part of being great means you know when to pack it in and call it a career, something Flair has neglected to do. He has been carried for over a decade by his opponents and it has hurt his legacy. I certainly do not want to see Taker and HBK performing the way Flair did for the past 15 years, i think that would truly be sad. The difference between Flair and those two guys is that they are leaps and bounds ahead of where Flair was at when he was the same age of 43. I don't think anyone can argue that Taker has been having consistently the best matches of his career the past 2 years.

[Golden Standard]

I agree Flair was a hard working and had passion for the buisness but he was not the greatest of all time. Their was so many wrestlers in history that was better then him. I mean if you wanna say who the greatest of all time was i think a man who is underrated Curt Hennig a.k.a. Mr. Perfect. He had the look, the wrestling skiils, he cut great promos, and he had charisma. He should have had alot of wwe title runs he was that damn good. He was better then Flair.

[reddevil69]

I agree Flair was a hard working and had passion for the buisness but he was not the greatest of all time. Their was so many wrestlers in history that was better then him. I mean if you wanna say who the greatest of all time was i think a man who is underrated Curt Hennig a.k.a. Mr. Perfect. He had the look, the wrestling skiils, he cut great promos, and he had charisma. He should have had alot of wwe title runs he was that damn good. He was better then Flair.

Agreed. I stated this earlier in this thread. Hennig had a better physique than Flair,was more athletic than Flair,cut great promos,drew great heel heat, he could take bumps better than anyone and his matches with Bret Hart were better than anything i've seen from Flair, including Flair/Steamboat in my opinion, yet you don't hear anyone speak of him in the same regard as Flair. He was having great matches in the AWA years before arriving in WWF and if it were not for his recurring back injury i do not doubt for one minute that he would have been WWF Champion having great matches with Hart,Savage,HBK,Razor, and Taker.