The Kliq

[Sparky]

Discuss in here the greatest faction who helped lead the WWE threw the mid 90's The Kliq. for those who dont know the Kliq consisted of Kevin Nash, Scott Hall,X pac, Tripple H and the one and only Heart break Kid.

[HBK-aholic]

The Kliq were indeed awesome. The Kliq formed the basis of arguably the 2 biggest, best and most controversial stables with DX and the NWO.

[Sparky]

I cant even imagine what would of happend if the kliq wasnt born. if it wasnt for the Kliq would Stone Cold Steve Austin as big as he is? would the attidude era ever of happend? without all or some of the Kliq members?

[HBK-aholic]

Without Shawn Michaels, and what happened in Montreal, the attitude era happening is indeed questionable.

[jpfizzle]

Without Shawn Michaels, and what happened in Montreal, the attitude era happening is indeed questionable.

wasnt the screwjob triple H's idea?

[HBK-aholic]

It's widely thought of as that yeah. No one knows for sure. However I mean it's Shawn that carried it out, no one else. In the public eye, he's the one who started the attitude era.

[Luther_Hull FTW]

Earl Hebner started the Attitude era

[Uncle Sam]

True. True.

[OIL]

The Kliq still runs wrestling, well, whoever is still wrestling from the original group.

Bunch of bastards if you ask me.

They might have started the attitude era, but they're still bastards.

[Slim Pickns]

The Kliq were simply a group of guys who bound together and got in the boss' ear because they wanted to be on top but knew they weren't the best guys in the business.

[Esteban Ochocinco]

Discuss in here the greatest faction who helped lead the WWE threw the mid 90's The Kliq. for those who dont know the Kliq consisted of Kevin Nash, Scott Hall,X pac, Tripple H and the one and only Heart break Kid.

Haha, you mean the group of guys that single caused the mass exodus of the older guys to WCW because no one wanted to put up with their bullshit. You mean the group of guys that broke Kayfabe and only smarks still think that the curtain call was cool 12 years ago. Yup that group. Biggest bunch of over rated, untalented losers the business has scene. The Kliq = Wrestling's cancer.

The Kliq were indeed awesome. The Kliq formed the basis of arguably the 2 biggest, best and most controversial stables with DX and the NWO.

DX was good in 1997, ever since, they have been terrible.

Hogan made the NWO work, not Hall and Nash.

I cant even imagine what would of happend if the kliq wasnt born. if it wasnt for the Kliq would Stone Cold Steve Austin as big as he is? would the attidude era ever of happend? without all or some of the Kliq members?

I can imagine, a more watchable and enjoyable product. Look at the product in late 94 to 1996 when the Kliq was in charge of the WWF. Absolutely terrible is what it was.

The WWF only started to get good again in 1997 based on the Hart Foundation and Steve Austin. The attitude Era was built around Austin 3:16 and not Suck It as much as Triple H and HBK"s revisionist history will tell you.

The Attitude Era happened without all of the Kliq members. The Kliq had nothing to do with the success of the WWF in 1998. It was Steve Austin, plain and simple.

Without Shawn Michaels, and what happened in Montreal, the attitude era happening is indeed questionable.

Minus the fact that the Attitude Era was chugging along nicely ever since Shawn had "Lost His Smile".

wasnt the screwjob triple H's idea?

The No good bastard has admitted it.

It's widely thought of as that yeah. No one knows for sure. However I mean it's Shawn that carried it out, no one else. In the public eye, he's the one who started the attitude era.

Please take the HBK glasses off. Shawn Michaels starting the Attitude Era is probably the most ridiculous statement I have ever read on these forums. That's like saying Ric Flair was responsible for the Wrestlign boom in the 80's.

The Kliq still runs wrestling, well, whoever is still wrestling from the original group.

Bunch of bastards if you ask me.

They might have started the attitude era, but they're still bastards.

Best post ever

The Kliq were simply a group of guys who bound together and got in the boss' ear because they wanted to be on top but knew they weren't the best guys in the business.

Take that back, new best post ever.

[Slim Pickns]

But Shocky, Shawn had a legit injury and should have never had to job to Bret Hart at the bigest show of the year. Especially since everyone knew that six months later Bret would be offered a WCW contract.

Ric Flair was the reason for the 80's wrestling boom, his DVD even says so. Hulkamania sucked, he couldn't WRESTLE.

Triple H is the King of Kings, the Game, the reason the attitude era worked. Triple H is the best ever, I know because he says it all the time.

[Esteban Ochocinco]

You know, you're right Slim. I mean, it is commonplace for wrestlers to have career ending knee injuries only to come back 3 months later, and then have another knee injury when it was time to return the favor again in the summer. It's amazing how well the knee works when you are booked to beat a guy you don't like but how terrible it gets when you're booked to lose against a guy that made you look like a superstar the year before. Amazing how the body works like that.

Oh Yeah, Ric Flair is freaking awesome. I mean, he did say that if Vince was booking the Horsemen that they would be bigger then Hogan, and I mean, Flair has never uttered a false word from his mouth ever.

Triple H is the reason for the Attitude Era. I mean never mind the fact that he won the title 2 1/2 years after the Era started, and had a combined total of 5 months as champion after his first 4 reigns. I mean, it's not like he got a near year long title reign after he was married to the boss's daughter or anything like that. That's all simply circumstantial evidence and anyone that thinks otherwise is obviously an idiot.

[Slim Pickns]

Also, RAW is pullin in SOLID 3's with HHH at helm right now, despite the absence of Vince and Hornswoggle. Lets see John Cena do that, he can't because he's not THAT DAMN GOOD!

[Esteban Ochocinco]

Well Triple H did say Cena Sucks, so it must be true, or he's doing what he does best, and that' break Kayfabe to stay over with the smarks.

[Green Ranger]

:lmao: This is hilarious.

Bret Hart > The Kliq.

FACT.

[HBK-aholic]

LMFAO did you just say this thread is hilarious, then go on to say Hart, one of the most overrated of all time, is better than the Kliq? You have GOT to be kidding me. :lmao: *Wipes tears from eyes*

[Esteban Ochocinco]

LMFAO did you just say this thread is hilarious, then go on to say Hart, one of the most overrated of all time, is better than the Kliq? You have GOT to be kidding me. :lmao: *Wipes tears from eyes*

Minus the fact that the Kliq approached Hart about joining them because Hart had a lot of influence with Vince. Minus that fact, we're okay.

[HBK-aholic]

Minus the fact that the Kliq approached Hart about joining them because Hart had a lot of influence with Vince. Minus that fact, we're okay.

Let me just get this straight, you're the one that goes on about politicking with HHH, yeah?

[Ultramantis]

First of all, I love Kevin Nash. Noone else has ever managed to get so much from so little and that has to be respected.

Truth be told though, the Kliq were just a group of guys who constantly had Vince's ear so they could keep their spots and got smacked up on drugs and alcohol every night. It's a joke to say they started the Attitude era, which was based on some of the ideologies of ECW and the rise of Steve Austin as the anti-hero. More often than not they were detrimental to the rest of the roster (I will give that they could go in the ring) and were fortunate they were around at a time where Vince and the WWE were on the down low.

As for Bret Hart being overrated, in what context? You could say he was too formulaic, you can say Ric Flair was too formulaic, they both ruled hard. Fact is a lot of fans have good memories of Hart, and in the end thats all that counts. Due to not having pink tinted glasses I will give this same credit to the kliq.

Politicking will always be prevalent in wrestling, it just so happens the Kliq were particularly dickish about doing it.

[Cocktail Gherkin]

the one thing i dont understand is , if Scott Hall and X - pac was in the "kliq"
why did they never win the WWF or WCW world titles ?
with that said i think every "kliq" member is a overbarren dickless idiot
who has to use backstage politics to win titles which is BS

[Trumike]

The kliq were punks. I mean nash as Diesel was okay and Scott Hall as Razor Ramon was worse. They were truly hated backstage. X-Pac has always sucked to me. No matter what name he went by he sucked. Triple H really paid for it. Losing pig pen matches and getting demolished by Warrior. They were a kliq of losers

[HBK-aholic]

Where did all the hate come from all of a sudden? Lmao one person says it and the bandwagon is suddenly full.

[Trumike]

Ther is not much hate. It is the truth. Diesel was something when he started as HBK's bodyguard. Then he challenged and won the belt. He was a top guy for a while. Razor Ramon was never really liked by anyone backstage. X-Pac was his greatest as a member of D-X. Triple H was paying the price for what they did that night. Its true

[OIL]

Discuss in here the greatest faction who helped lead the WWE threw the mid 90's The Kliq. for those who dont know the Kliq consisted of Kevin Nash, Scott Hall,X pac, Tripple H and the one and only Heart break Kid.

Haha. Yeah. The NWO or DX are the greatest ever faction.

The Kliq was just a bunch of bastards with ego's bigger than the earth.

[joejoe]

Where did all the hate come from all of a sudden? Lmao one person says it and the bandwagon is suddenly full.

It comes from people who don't know what they're talking about for the most part.
The Kliq was a group of guys who at the time were young, single and all lived for the business because they had no other personal ties so wrestling was their lives.

So what did Vince do? He pushed these guys who worked their asses off. If people think they got to the top by kissing Vince's ass and politicing then they're fools.

Think about it, if you were Vince and you had some people that we're over with the crowd, could work great in the ring and were willing to work 24/7 wouldn't it make sense to push them?

I can't think of anyone they held back during their time there. Undertaker and Bret Hart were still Main event Guys, and Austin wasn't ready yet to go to the main event.

The Rock was still at mid card status which is where he belonged, what were these guys holding back King Mable?

People need to get over these feelings and thoughts that the kliq was a bunch of a-holes or something. I'm sure they were cocky backstage but so what? They were making money.

On to the whole Shawn not losing to Bret because of his "knee injury". I don't know if he was really to hurt to go on or not but let me put it this way.

If you worked at a job and there was someone there that you flat out hated and he flat out hated you. Then all of a sudden you have to do something for him, like finish his expense report or something but you found a way to not HAVE to do it. I dare any one person here to tell me they wouldn't use that loophole to their advantage.

[Green Ranger]

LMFAO did you just say this thread is hilarious, then go on to say Hart, one of the most overrated of all time, is better than the Kliq? You have GOT to be kidding me. :lmao: *Wipes tears from eyes*

What exactly makes Hart one of the most overrated of all time? If anything he's more on the underrated side.

Hart was a great wrestler who told a better story in the ring than anyone, even McMahon himself admits to this. He made a huge impact on the business by leading the way for smaller more athletic wrestlers (such as Michaels) to get to the top and become champion. He was a good draw in america and a great draw worldwide. He was a bigger draw than Michaels or Hunter ever were. Fact is, Hart gave more to this business than anyone in the Kliq ever did.

[HBK-aholic]

Haha. Yeah. The NWO or DX are the greatest ever faction.

The Kliq was just a bunch of bastards with ego's bigger than the earth.

And tell me, which stable do you think was the beginning of both these factions? Yeah, the Kliq.

[HBK-aholic]

What exactly makes Hart one of the most overrated of all time? If anything he's more on the underrated side.

Hart was a great wrestler who told a better story in the ring than anyone, even McMahon himself admits to this. He made a huge impact on the business by leading the way for smaller more athletic wrestlers (such as Michaels) to get to the top and become champion. He was a good draw in america and a great draw worldwide. He was a bigger draw than Michaels or Hunter ever were. Fact is, Hart gave more to this business than anyone in the Kliq ever did.

LMFAO are you kidding me?! Hart gave more to the WWE than Shawn Michaels? That's actually the biggest load of BS I've ever heard.

[OIL]

LMFAO are you kidding me?! Hart gave more to the WWE than Shawn Michaels? That's actually the biggest load of BS I've ever heard.

Dude, lady...whatever...you blates have a thing for HBK lmao. =]

[HBK-aholic]

Dude, lady...whatever...you blates have a thing for HBK lmao. =]

??

HBK is the beast all round wrestler to ever step foot in the ring, and certainly has given more than Hart.

[OIL]

And tell me, which stable do you think was the beginning of both these factions? Yeah, the Kliq.

Meh. I guess.

[Green Ranger]

LMFAO are you kidding me?! Hart gave more to the WWE than Shawn Michaels? That's actually the biggest load of BS I've ever heard.

Why don't you give an explanation as to why that is a load of BS?

[OIL]

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HBK is the beast all round wrestler to ever step foot in the ring, and certainly has given more than Hart.

I dunno if id say he is the best all round wrestler. He is awesome, i'll give him that, but id preffer Hart over him anyday.

[Slim Pickns]

LMFAO are you kidding me?! Hart gave more to the WWE than Shawn Michaels? That's actually the biggest load of BS I've ever heard.

Care to explain why? Bret Hart turned down a WCW contract to take a smaller WWF one. Shawn ducked out of WM13 because he felt like it. Hart missed two days in twelve years. He gave far more than hbk.

[HBK-aholic]

Hart turned down a WCW contract until a year later when he took one? I don't particularly use this as a reason, but I find it stpid when people use him staying at WWE ONCE, but then taking a contract next time, see where I'm heading? I mean, if you're going to say that I can say Shawn Michaels NEVER left the WWE.

And, have you never heard of being injured? I'm not going into the whole "He was faking business" again, because the argument has been done to the death. But I believe he was telling the truth, and there's no way of us to find out otherwise.

[OIL]

Hart never wanted to sign that contract.

Vince told Hart to sign it because McMahon couldn't guarentee his paycheck every month. Hart stayed for a while without getting paid, but if you have a family ect, you need to make a living.

[HBK-aholic]

Vince told Hart to take the contract. Which is why I wasn't going to mention it. However when Hart fans bring him up staying the first time, I can simply say well HBK always stayed.

[Slim Pickns]

He may have been injured, but not enough to miss WM. How come he's healthy enough to win and defend the title and injured when booked to lose it.

Bret was forced out of WWF. Its pretty well known.

[OIL]

Vince told Hart to take the contract. Which is why I wasn't going to mention it. However when Hart fans bring him up staying the first time, I can simply say well HBK always stayed.

Fair enough.

But WCW never wanted him.

[HBK-aholic]

He may have been injured, but not enough to miss WM. How come he's healthy enough to win and defend the title and injured when booked to lose it.

Did he say no he wouldn't drop it? Did he go against Vince's orders and say he wouldn't drop the belt? No, he was injured. The same cannot be said for a certain someone else.

Hart marks are full of hypocrisy. Shawn is bad for not dropping a title when injured, but Hart isn't bad for not dropping a title on his way out, injured?

Hart is good for staying with the WWE the first time. Yet he gave more to the company than Shawn who never left it?

Bret was forced out of WWF. Its pretty well known.

He wasn't forced out, Vince told him to take it though. Fair enough. But I don't see why his fans go on about his staying once, and then not expect him leaving to be brought up.

[HBK-aholic]

Fair enough.

But WCW never wanted him.

Are you telling me WCW would have turned down Shawn Michaels? No way.

[justinsayne]

Are you telling me WCW would have turned down Shawn Michaels? No way.

Of course they would, WCW always turned away WWE's most successful wrestlers, I mean just look at their roster at that time, besides Hogan, Savage, Hall, Nash, Hart and others, who else did they take from WWE that was successful?, LOL:icon_rolleyes:

[HBK-aholic]

:lmao:

[OIL]

Haha but WCW had all the money in the world.

If Jake is right in thinking that athletes go for money over anything else, then surely they woulda got HBK if they wanted..?

[HBK-aholic]

HBK would never have gone to WCW.

[OIL]

Why?

Loyalty?

If WCW offered him millions then he would have gone.

[HBK-aholic]

It was his dream to be in the WWF as it then was. I couldn't see him ever going to WCW.

[OIL]

I guess.

[Ultramantis]

HBK would never have gone to WCW.

WCW would have definitely taken him, as they were open to getting all the talent available to them.

There was a point where Shawn was purposefully trying to get out of his contract so he could join the rest of the Kliq. Saying he never would have gone to WCW is wrong, as he was actively trying to. It all worked out for him in the end though. You've got to respect that hes changed from his old self, even if there are still traits of the old Michaels.

I rate Hart over Michaels. Personal preference really.

[Slim Pickns]

HBK would never have gone to WCW.

Wow, you're reaching on this one. So Shawn was more loyal to WWE then Bret because you believe he wouldn't have taken a WCW contract if offered one.

[HBK-aholic]

No way. Shawn never tried to get out of his contract with the WWF, especially never to go to WCW. I don't know where you got the idea from but it isn't true.

[HBK-aholic]

Wow, you're reaching on this one. So Shawn was more loyal to WWE then Bret because you believe he wouldn't have taken a WCW contract if offered one.

I'm not saying who was more loyal here. I couldn't care less. But I firmly believe Shawn would never have gone to WCW.

[Y 2 Jake]

Tis.

[Mighty NorCal]

say It Aint So Slim!!! Its Just Not True!!!

[Green Ranger]

If the money was right and there was the possibility of joining his mates Hall and Nash in WCW, possibly joining the NWO, I don't see how he would have turned it down. The only thing Shawn Michaels cared about during that time was Shawn Michaels. He was the most selfish, cocky, arrogant guy in all of wrestling.

At Wrestlemania 11 he was supposed to do the job for Nash, but instead of being a good professional he tried his best to make Nash look like crap. That was the main event of wrestle freaking mania. Against his best friend. And he just didn't give a shit. He wanted to show that he deserved to be champion, and in the process made Nash look like an unworthy champion.

Do you call that "giving" to the business? I sure don't. He was only ever out for himself. He never cared about making his opponents look good, he always wanted to come out of a match looking better. Bret Hart is notorious for wanting to make his opponents look just as good as him in every match he ever had. HBK was simply a cancer to the WWE in the 90's.

[image1986]

This thread is a joke this is just an accuse to bash the kliq no one is objective in here. Granted everyone makes good points but the thing no one knows for sure what would of happened. Hbk losing to stone cold passed the torch and let to austins big push. People say hogan single handedly push the nwo which is not true nash and hall had a big role in it whether u like it or not that reason wwe was losing in the ratings. DX on the other hand was definately a mjor part of the era because along with austin they push the envelop and were entertaining. Dx didn't make austin but they sure help the era. Explain why the dx reunion was so over?

[Y 2 Jake]

You smell. The Kliq sux.

[Mighty NorCal]

Czena suzx

[Esteban Ochocinco]

Um, Shawn Michaels doesn't own the rights to his name, so what exactly was he going to be in WCW? Michael Hickenbottom, should sell some seats I guess.

[lionheart01]

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At Wrestlemania 11 he was supposed to do the job for Nash, but instead of being a good professional he tried his best to make Nash look like crap. That was the main event of wrestle freaking mania. Against his best friend. And he just didn't give a shit. He wanted to show that he deserved to be champion, and in the process made Nash look like an unworthy champion.

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How did micheals make nash look bad. Nash kicked out of the superkick at like a one count. shawn did exactly what he was told, and if he really showed how unworthy champion that nash is then why did nash hold on to the belt until that survivior series?

[Green Ranger]

How did micheals make nash look bad. Nash kicked out of the superkick at like a one count. shawn did exactly what he was told, and if he really showed how unworthy champion that nash is then why did nash hold on to the belt until that survivior series?

Nash himself has gone on record saying that Michaels purposely tried to blow him out in their match so that he'd look better than Nash. He simply wanted to show Nash up, which is completely unprofessional. Instead of trying to help get Nash over as champion, he was only looking out for himself. That year long reign ended up being one of the worst drawing reigns in history. Which proves that Nash was an unworthy champion.

[lionheart01]

well ive never heard that but u may be right........

but even though the kliq did use backstage politics to stay on top, so what? that has always been apart of pro wrestling.

[Big Daddy Fool]

i respect both for their great in ring abilities but i am not at all a fan of how they are out of the ring.

shawn was widely known for being impossible to work with. he'd yell at vince when he didnt get his way (vince said that in the heartbreak and triumph dvd), always was in vince's year politicking, and as has been discussed showing up your best friend at your companies most important event. that is the most selfish thing one can do because it makes everyone look bad. shawn also had a weel known substance abuse problem which didnt always leave to be working in the best condition. one example was how he was planned on being part of the invasion angle but was so far from sober he was sent home and not used. undertaker got sick of his act quick and im sure many others have as well.

bret hart may have only missed two lays as a previous poster has said but he was well known for showing up late constantly. also he couldnt handle the change of times in the world of wrestling with the good guys getting booed and anti-heroes like austin get cheered and complained about being a heel constantly. also i do not care where you are from and if you dont like who you are supposed to lose to.. you do what you are told in wrestling when it comes to wins or losses its not your job to make those decisions its yoru job to go out and put on a damn good show. he didnt do what was right for the business and someone who prides himself on being a wrestling traditionalist thats being hypocritical

stone cold steve austin is the reason for the attitude era not the kliq. while HHH breakin kayfabe may of given austin his spot as KOTR champ it was his austin 3:16 speech and bad ass persona was what led to the rise of austin and the beginning of the attitude era. if he dropped the ball we'd be watching wcw right now

[Slim Pickns]

say It Aint So Slim!!! Its Just Not True!!!

?????

[Kyphael]

Let's see... the Kliq.

One is a politicking asshole with talent turned born again Christian.
The other is the true ultimate opportunist who is way past his prime and therefore bland, but is so full of himself due to his backstage stroke.
The other is a tall, untalented hack with just enough charisma to hold a World title and politicking asshole.
The fourth is a talented, but undesciplined drunk and politicking asshole who never hit it big because he couldn't control his demons.

Yeah, not a very impressive group but nobody can argue their success. Some have to reach the top slitting throats and stabbing people in the back.

[jmt225]

HBK from the mid-nineties is one of my favorite wrestlers of all time, but still.... Bret Hart > Shawn Michaels. Absolutely no one could tell a story like the Hitman. He is, in my opinion, the greatest in-ring worker of all time. HBK does come in number 2 on my list though.

Diesel, Razor, and 123 Kid.... I was a huge mark for all of them. They will probably always have a soft spot in my heart, lol.

People are forgetting to mention Justin Credible, probably the worst ECW Champion of all time. He was in the Kliq during his Aldo Montoya gimmick.

And HHH IS overrated, plain and simple. Good wrestler, but not half as great as he and his fans make him out to be. The dude is just horrible on the mic, and his intensity has always come off as a forced, fucking joke. Also, he's one lazy fuck these days. Has been since 2003. But I must admit the dude can pull a great match out of his ass when he wants to. However, like someone mentioned, for that to be possible, there has to be a gimmick in the match.

But lastly, how the fuck was the Kliq a faction? They were NEVER on TV with one another. All they were, were friends, and you wouldn't have known they were friends unless you had an internet connection or subscribed to a dirt sheet. Just because they hung out back stage does not make them a faction.