TNA Sucks So Much Dick, It Could Be Your Mum

[Mighty NorCal]

Something monumental happened today. Jake returned to the realms of the Live Discussion. What happened was 4 hours of pure poetry. Many questions were asked, none answered. All can be summed up in one quick question: Why Is TNA So Shit? Here are excerpts from the Live Discussion. Answers are needed. As there is a limited ammount of quotes that you can add to a thread, here is the link to the LD: http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showthread.php?t=20098. More questions are in there. Thank you for your time.

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Kurt Angle isn't in the main event. Yet the opening promo shows he's taking part in the main event.

Good job by them. so the only way this joke of a promotion can get by is to lying and tricking people into buying its PPVs. Nice.

Steiner now says he's going to have a one-on-one match with Joe. That would make sense.

But the fans FUCKING paid for a damn triple threat Jake!!!

I'd fuck Steiners valet. True story.

So would TNA. That why they stuck her with Steiners no-talent bitch ass.

My house is bigger than the iMPACT Zone.

My dick is bigger than the impact zone. true story. It also elicits a bigger, louader reaction from a much larger number of people.

My penis > the impact zone

In every way shape and form

Just had a piss. True story.

Far more entertaining than any thing shit bucket TNA could have provided

How come Sting get's no criticizm? He's been the same for 11 years. At least HHH wore purple trunks for a couple of months.

Becuase not enough people give a fuck about TNA to criticize it. Triple H haters outnumber TNA's entire fan base.

Maybe he should just retire now. half a million a year to draw nothing and have boring matches. I could do that.

And be the top guy in TNA doing so!!!

Bubbah Dudley is so fat. Why would WWE want them back?

They dont. thats why that tubby bitch is in TNA.

Yay. Another tag match.

Well yea. You cant enjoy something unless you are absolutely beat to death with it. obviously.

To think a year ago I didn't rate Cage as a main event wrestler.

Cage > Kaz.

Would make sense for him to be a replacement in a main event if someone were to get hurt no???

Don West informs me that there's no way out, but to escape you have to climb through the top.

Thats gonna be a loooooooooooooooooooooooong fucking match.

Not bothering to watch the rest of it.

^^^^ The biggest TNA supporter on this board^^^^^

LAX win. But Styles shoulder was about 2 feet off the mat.

Well what do you expect. Normal rules, regulations, and human brain function are outlawed in TNA

There's a reason they won't let Joe/Angle go. It's the only PPV that's ever drawn any significant ammount of money.

But Kaz will change that.

Maybe becuase they give all their PPV caliber main events away on free TV?? I dont know...but who gives a fuck about PPV buys, when you can almost get close to the rating of WWEs "C" brand.

Is Joe-ism like normal jism?

Worse. Becuase Joe is a talentless peice of shit


TNA fans.....your mission is to prove myself, and Mr.Jake wrong. you shall fail.

[Rated K for Kennedy... Kennedy!]

Well I'm a TNA fan and I can't argue with a damn thing above. Come to think of it, why am I a TNA fan?

Yours Sincerely,
A former TNA fan

[DrakeShadow]

Thats why TNA has now been getting .9 rattings. Cause they are shit, and the only difference between them and ROH is that when watching ROh it feels like ur shitting in a porta potty and TNA you shit in your own house.

[Esteban Ochocinco]

Oh my Godz, Samoa Joe is champion Guyzzzz, TnA is So FucKn AwEsome bcz Joe is 4 real and mich bttr dan Krt Angle, Finlly A TNA orgnl is chumpion and not a WWWE Rejct, Vince McMhon Sux coxxxx!!!!.


TNA, what a fucking worthless promotion. And to think, at one time I had high hopes for this company. this company has gone down the shitter exponentially the last year, oh wait, Shark Boy sells shirts, hip hip hooray. TNA Total Nonstop Atrociousness.

[chrisgod]

All TV wrestling is getting lower ratings each week... But there are people who think TNA is making people change chanels and love watching the same shit every week *cough gillberti cough*...

TNA has so many gimmicked wrestlers, matches, divas (or whatever they are called), hell... even the ring is gimmicked!

Maybe I don't understand TNA logic and that's why is not as enjoyable as WWE is at least for me...

I have a lot of questions for TNA fans and I hope someone help me understand better

1. Why do they have a lot of comedy wrestlers?? also, why they use old (and obviously non-original) gimmicks that were successful in other promotions???

2. What are they going to do to take the title off Awesome Kong??? she has been built as unstoppable, and at male wrestlers level, and the other girls just look so lame, so please don't tell me that the bald one is going to be incredibly over with the crowd because of being ugly and is going to win it?? after that... what are they going to do with kong??? will she be ever on the women's title feuds???

3. Will Shark Boy some day wake up (like Eugene did a couple of months ago in FCW) and realise he is not Austin???

4. Will TNA pair Jay lethal with someone huge like Scott Steiner to create the new mega powers??? or they just give the hogan gimmick to Chris Sabin or someone like him??

5. why they still use that horrible 6 sided ring??? I've seen a house show on that ring (a AAA one) and some moves look odd...

6. TNA fans say Vince and WWE manipulates their fans by telling you who to cheer / boo... is it just me or TNA faces and heels go to the ring from different entrance ramps? why is that???

7. why TNA fans chant TNA! TNA! TNA! to any spot??? watching Impact is like watching the bastard son of ECW and last days WCW...

8. If they have so many talented, air moving, mat technicians, underated and athletic wrestlers as TNA fans say... why Scott Steroidner is main eventing?? Why a 45 year old man like sting is one of the top dogs??? is he helping to put young up and comers over??? I remember him feuding with abyss for like a year and a half...

9. Why Impact has like 30 promos per hour??? and why Kurt Angle appears in almost all of them???

10. Why they have so stupid gimmick matches??? electrified cage???

Sorry if someone feels attacked... but I can't understand all of that...

[Y 2 Jake]

All TV wrestling is getting lower ratings each week... But there are people who think TNA is making people change chanels and love watching the same shit every week *cough gillberti cough*...

TNA has so many gimmicked wrestlers, matches, divas (or whatever they are called), hell... even the ring is gimmicked!

Maybe I don't understand TNA logic and that's why is not as enjoyable as WWE is at least for me...

I have a lot of questions for TNA fans and I hope someone help me understand better

1. Why do they have a lot of comedy wrestlers?? also, why they use old (and obviously non-original) gimmicks that were successful in other promotions???

2. What are they going to do to take the title off Awesome Kong??? she has been built as unstoppable, and at male wrestlers level, and the other girls just look so lame, so please don't tell me that the bald one is going to be incredibly over with the crowd because of being ugly and is going to win it?? after that... what are they going to do with kong??? will she be ever on the women's title feuds???

3. Will Shark Boy some day wake up (like Eugene did a couple of months ago in FCW) and realise he is not Austin???

4. Will TNA pair Jay lethal with someone huge like Scott Steiner to create the new mega powers??? or they just give the hogan gimmick to Chris Sabin or someone like him??

5. why they still use that horrible 6 sided ring??? I've seen a house show on that ring (a AAA one) and some moves look odd...

6. TNA fans say Vince and WWE manipulates their fans by telling you who to cheer / boo... is it just me or TNA faces and heels go to the ring from different entrance ramps? why is that???

7. why TNA fans chant TNA! TNA! TNA! to any spot??? watching Impact is like watching the bastard son of ECW and last days WCW...

8. If they have so many talented, air moving, mat technicians, underated and athletic wrestlers as TNA fans say... why Scott Steroidner is main eventing?? Why a 45 year old man like sting is one of the top dogs??? is he helping to put young up and comers over??? I remember him feuding with abyss for like a year and a half...

9. Why Impact has like 30 promos per hour??? and why Kurt Angle appears in almost all of them???

10. Why they have so stupid gimmick matches??? electrified cage???

Sorry if someone feels attacked... but I can't understand all of that...


Great questions. But the answer is simple. TV ratings. Or thats the answer you will recieve. What do we know about wrestling anyway. We only watch it, and talk about it like total geeks for most of our free time.

[Greenlight13]

Ok some MAJOR TNA hate here so im sure im about to get flamed to hell for attempting to defend the company.

First off whoever the hell questioned the talent of Samoa Joe clearly doesnt know wrestling, WWE would pay insane money to have him and everyone he has ever worked with has put him over as a natural talent. Seeing the things he can do in a ring is a thing of beauty, the guy can strike, fly and mat wrestle, all while weighing 300lbs.

The 6-sided ring gives them an identity and when you see it you remember it but i dont think it's completely vital to the company and could be aborted.

They DO need to have far less promos as it gets a bit dizzying.

Awesome Kong is great to watch, she powerbombs better than Batista. "That bald chick" is actually hot when she has hair and is a very good wrestler. The Knockout division in general is 10000x better than the Divas. Personally when a WWE womens match comes on, i go make a sandwich, the Knockouts can actually entertain me. Although i do agree Kong may end up dominating the entire division and never losing the belt.

I am not a fan of the gimmick wrestlers, Shark Boy, Curry Man etc and a few talents are wasted such as Jimmy Rave being stuck as a Guitar Hero and losing virtually every match.

Sting is a top guy because he is quite simply the biggest legend still grappling now Flair is gone. Sting is the best guy to never work for the WWE and deserves everyones respect. He gives the promotion credibility as he is a globally famous star, same with Angle which is why he is pushed over and over again, because he is their chance to draw ratings, people think "Oh wow, it's Kurt Angle, i'm gonna check this company out"

Kaz replaced Angle because he is a great talent and is never going to get a main event championship program of his own but in an environment like a triple threat match he can showcase himself without making the champion look bad.

Steiner is too old but he's another very famous wrestler on their roster and they owe him something after keeping him around doing very little for nearly two years. It's like Kane winning the ECW title, it's a reward for his time with the company because he doesnt have long left in his career.

TNA can't help Kurt Angle having an injured neck and in an ideal world would hope he wrestles in spite of it, only way to know if he is ready is on the day, they found out he wasnt, they pulled him, what do you want them to do?

The Impact zone is a small venue but they can control every part of it and quite simply they dont have the money to hire huuge stadiums, this doesnt make them a bad company, just not everyone has a billion dollars at their disposal. The Impact Zone is far bigger than anything ECW ever played.

The fans chant TNA because they are loyal and because the TNA wrestlers do things WWE dont do anymore or never did. Say what you want about them but every single show give or take a few they do something in the ring you havent seen. WWE put on the same basic show week in and week out. How many weeks in a row do i have to see Undertaker beat down La Familia and then get Speared, or John Cena get dominated and then mount a comeback? When was the last time you saw solid fast-paced counter-wrestling in the WWE?

Bubba is fat, but his style never depended on him being athletic, he is a ground and pound brawler and a tag team specialist. Devon works the match, Bubba comes in for the big spots. Team 3D are still capable of putting on a better match than any tag team in the WWE. Hardcore Holly & Cody Rhodes? Are you kidding me?

I dont remember what else was said but i think a lot of it was a lil harsh, let's not start with the problems with the WWE. To compare their ratings or venues is rediculous because of the monetary differences, WWE has been going for decades, TNA not even ten years.

Bottom line, both companies suck compared to what we had a few years ago but each has things the other doesnt, WWE has the high-end production value, the shiny glamour, the celebrities, the huge pyro etc etc etc and on it's best night is the best company in the world, but they put on crappy lazy shows most weeks. TNA is a small regional promotion that is doing it's best to compete, it's come from no tv to two hours of primetime and has better in-ring performers, but they also show their inexperience with how to book correctly.

[Y 2 Jake]

Sting is a top guy because he is quite simply the biggest legend still grappling now Flair is gone. Sting is the best guy to never work for the WWE and deserves everyones respect. He gives the promotion credibility as he is a globally famous star, same with Angle which is why he is pushed over and over again, because he is their chance to draw ratings, people think "Oh wow, it's Kurt Angle, i'm gonna check this company out"

Sting has never appeared in WWE. WCW was bigger for a couple of years in the 90's. But back then he wasn't the star, it was Hogan, Nash, Savage and others. Sting sure is popular. But as for biggest legend still grappling it's Undertaker or HBK. Possibly Hogan as he'll be back at some point. And Sting is very distant behind them three.

As for being pushed. He's not though really. He was a bit part player at Lockdown & Sacrifice. As a recognizable face though, he should be in a higher spot than he is currently.

Kaz replaced Angle because he is a great talent and is never going to get a main event championship program of his own but in an environment like a triple threat match he can showcase himself without making the champion look bad.

The fact remains though that for name value, Kaz was an incredibly poor replacment. Sting was in the first match, and wasn't seen again for the rest of the show, he would have been a suitable replacment. Even Cage, Booker, Rhino, James Storm and so on. None are the same as Angle. But each have been pushed recently. Kaz has not. The ammount of talent the guy has doesn't reall come into it.

teiner is too old but he's another very famous wrestler on their roster and they owe him something after keeping him around doing very little for nearly two years. It's like Kane winning the ECW title, it's a reward for his time with the company because he doesnt have long left in his career.

He was famous. In the late 80's early 90's. Then he was a bit part player in the n.W.o., a main eventer when WCW wa on it's last legs, Triple H squashed his main event hopes in WWE, then nothing until TNA needed a name.

You also shouldn't reward wrestlers for their time in the company. You should give titles and title matches to the most over stars in the company. Of which Steiner isn't one.

NA can't help Kurt Angle having an injured neck and in an ideal world would hope he wrestles in spite of it, only way to know if he is ready is on the day, they found out he wasnt, they pulled him, what do you want them to do?





I want them to make a suitable replacment in the main event.

[Slim Pickns]

First off whoever the hell questioned the talent of Samoa Joe clearly doesnt know wrestling, WWE would pay insane money to have him and everyone he has ever worked with has put him over as a natural talent. Seeing the things he can do in a ring is a thing of beauty, the guy can strike, fly and mat wrestle, all while weighing 300lbs.

I'm not going to respond to all of that because I'm lazy, I just wanted to point something out. Samoa Joe weighs 240 lbs tops.

[Ryukuma]

Heres a fact about me, I stopped watching TNA so long ago, and the only time I watch something is after reading the spoilers, and youtubing the very specific thing I want to see.

A fact remains on Tna is that they are terribly boring, when it comes to actual hyping, there hype is about as big as spike dudley. They need a real revamp, and to stop thinking that everytime a T-shirt sells, that means an extra rating.

As for Joe hes fine for what he is, but I don't think I will ever be overly impressed with him or CM Punk, until they start doing something memorable. Although I did see a funny Punk Promo so maybe there is hope for him yet.

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

All can be summed up in one quick question: Why Is TNA So Shit?
This thread has been bought to you by Time Norcal

If people actually took the time to look, the would realize that ALL wrestling is shit right now. Ratings are down by at least .3 all around. RAW is down and blaming it on anything from Playoffs to Dance shows. Smackdown is down and bleeding enough to where the CW decided to explore other options. And ECW is barely holding on to Sci Fi. Hell, if the other shows on Sci Fi weren't so piss poor with ratings, there wouldn't even be an ECW anymore.


Good job by them. so the only way this joke of a promotion can get by is to lying and tricking people into buying its PPVs. Nice.
Wow, You people are harsh. I do believe that RVD broke his leg before an ECW PPV and a replacement was put in and nobody balked. The Sting versus Ric Flair program from the 80's had Sting go down to injury at a house show. A crappy Lex Luger was subbed in at the last minute. Nobody balked then either. But why do people balk at TNA? Not sure, but they must feel jilted. I mean seeing a guy who could be the future of TNA getting a push must just piss them off huh? Damned Kurt Angle smarks. lol


But the fans FUCKING paid for a damn triple threat Jake!!!
And they did. They also paid to see something new. Angle couldn't compete, Kaz took his place. Angle was a CHALLENGER, not the champ. So u had a new twist added to the story. You guys must feel more comfortable when you are getting your intelligence insulted every Monday and Friday. Geez.


So would TNA. That why they stuck her with Steiners no-talent bitch ass.

Steiner can't be discounted. He's still a viable entity. Just needs to be utilized better. He's underutilized as he can still do alot more. They just need to let him go once. But damned standards and practices. Darn them Darn them to heck.


My dick is bigger than the impact zone. true story. It also elicits a bigger, louader reaction from a much larger number of people.

My penis > the impact zone

In every way shape and form

Kewl. So you're saying that the next PPV should be in your dick? Should make for a damned good Ultimate X match. But I suppose that production costs stay low having a home base to fall back on. If you are planning on having a ppv at a certain arena and sales don't do that well, you can't just keep blacking off the upper areas and using lower camera angles like WWE does. Sometimes it's a GOOD THING to have a lively sell out crowd to use for tv and ppv. IDK, just my two cents on that one.

Far more entertaining than any thing shit bucket TNA could have provided

IDK, I like their long term booking where everybody has a storyline and a sub storyline. Beats the shit out of fuckers just getting in the ring to face off week in and week out for no good reason than to just get on camera. (Sorry Heat, had to call you out on that one.) Plus, they do a pretty good job with the women and not just having silicon matches like "other" companies do.


Becuase not enough people give a fuck about TNA to criticize it. Triple H haters outnumber TNA's entire fan base.

Actually if you read the top, not enough people give a fuck about wrestling right now period. The ratings are slipping everywhere. I just leave it to the smarks to pick everything apart on why THEY think that things are down. If they looked at ratings, they would see that wrestling is a dying sport. Gotta try something new to revamp the whole scope of things.

And be the top guy in TNA doing so!!!
I highly doubt that. But I do agree with the Samoa Joe thoughts. He is not he right guy to have at the top. But hell, the smarks wouldn't shut up until he was. Now they condemn him. WTF. I say it's time for TNA's top heel to step back onto camera. Save Us Double J!


They dont. thats why that tubby bitch is in TNA.

Can one say "nostalgia"? "Spite"? Fuck, why does WWE hold on to so many shit wrestlers these days when they know they should be let go? Because they don't want anybody to become the next Christian Cage. Just because WWE creative can't come up with anything doesn't mean that TNA creative couldn't. And vice versa. I think WWE WOULD make them an offer when their contracts are up. TNA does need to let them go though. They never really fit. TNA's tag team division is too fast paced for them. WWE's. however is so clusterfucked and unorganized that they would fit right in. True Story.

Well yea. You cant enjoy something unless you are absolutely beat to death with it. obviously.

There's nothing wrong with tag matches. It helps size up tag teams. TNA has like what? Three legit tag teams right now? They need a couple of more. So it might be time to reorganize a bit and see. It's called testing. It works sometimes.

Would make sense for him to be a replacement in a main event if someone were to get hurt no???

Yeah, but Cage is more of a heel main eventer. Right now he is a face/tweener. So putting him in the main event would leave entirely too many questions. At least the Terrordome one makes sense cuz they would be climbing for a bigger prize. So the hard work and devastation now had a purpose. Plus, they always use the less bumped guys as fill ins in case of emergency anyways. Not sure why people applauded when Eric Young took Scot "Last Call" Hall's place but bitched about this one.

Kaz>>Eric Young


Thats gonna be a loooooooooooooooooooooooong fucking match.

Yup. It was. But it was kind of a change. Something new. Don't be afraid of the newness. Embrace it. lol

^^^^ The biggest TNA supporter on this board^^^^^

Wait, I thought that was me. Dammit Sam! lol

Well what do you expect. Normal rules, regulations, and human brain function are outlawed in TNA

After that face plant, you can't be so hard on the guy. I'm sure he barely knew where his ball sack was after that wipe out. Seen Frank Shamrock go through the same thing on Elite XC last nite after getting kicked in the face. True Story.

Maybe becuase they give all their PPV caliber main events away on free TV?? I dont know...but who gives a fuck about PPV buys, when you can almost get close to the rating of WWEs "C" brand.

So let me get this straight. TNA Impact becoming WCW Thunder 2 would make you happier? I mean seeing a bunch of shit matches from second teir guys would make more sense? Why would I even watch the show then? At least I'm getting something out of it to see PPV quality matches on tv. Gets me more interested in the product.

Worse. Becuase Joe is a talentless peice of shit
No talentless. Just not ready for a title run. Wrestling ratings do better with heel champs right now. Even WWE is slipping with a face Triple H at the helm. Just look at the rating over these periods if you don't believe me. Time for Jarrett to come back I believe.

TNA fans.....your mission is to prove myself, and Mr.Jake wrong. you shall fail.

Don't know if I proved you wrong. But I think I brought up a valid point or two. Hope this give you a bit of an objectionable took at things.

[Y 2 Jake]

A fact remains on Tna is that they are terribly boring


I just can't agree with that. Total shit, yes. But boring, no. Too much happens for the show to be boring. It's headache inducing. So much happens in two hours it's unreal. It's part of the reason the show is so shit, they have enough in one show to last them a month.

When they went to two hours I was optimistic. I expected the hour long show to be stretched into two hours. A minor improvment, but one none the less. Instead we get two versions of the hour long format.

[Ryukuma]

I just can't agree with that. Total shit, yes. But boring, no. Too much happens for the show to be boring. It's headache inducing. So much happens in two hours it's unreal. It's part of the reason the show is so shit, they have enough in one show to last them a month.

When they went to two hours I was optimistic. I expected the hour long show to be stretched into two hours. A minor improvment, but one none the less. Instead we get two versions of the hour long format.

Maybe you are right that I picked the wrong word with boring, I'm not sure the word im looking for, but I know that there is always something very annoying on the show, and tunes me away. Most of there promos Im sure come from that soap opera The Young and The Restless. In fact Im willing to wager, that most of Tnas creative team is a bunch of fat women who are sad about there lives, and watch soap operas all day, while eating bonbons and just make there shows off that.

[Y 2 Jake]

Wow, You people are harsh. I do believe that RVD broke his leg before an ECW PPV and a replacement was put in and nobody balked. The Sting versus Ric Flair program from the 80's had Sting go down to injury at a house show. A crappy Lex Luger was subbed in at the last minute. Nobody balked then either. But why do people balk at TNA? Not sure, but they must feel jilted. I mean seeing a guy who could be the future of TNA getting a push must just piss them off huh? Damned Kurt Angle smarks. lol

Lex Luger was a pile of shit. But he was a star. Kaz isn't. If TNA had pushed him consistently then maybe he would have been a suitable choice. But he's not had a good push since Angle beat him onImpact.

Also why wasn't that match good enough for PPV, yet 6 months and less of a push later Kaz is a suitable replacment.









Kewl. So you're saying that the next PPV should be in your dick? Should make for a damned good Ultimate X match. But I suppose that production costs stay low having a home base to fall back on. If you are planning on having a ppv at a certain arena and sales don't do that well, you can't just keep blacking off the upper areas and using lower camera angles like WWE does. Sometimes it's a GOOD THING to have a lively sell out crowd to use for tv and ppv. IDK, just my two cents on that one.

It's free to watch TNA if they're in the iMPACT Zone. It's not hard to fill a small arena when it's in a complex like Universal Studios.







There's nothing wrong with tag matches. It helps size up tag teams. TNA has like what? Three legit tag teams right now? They need a couple of more. So it might be time to reorganize a bit and see. It's called testing. It works sometimes.

They have a tag tournament based off odd couple tag teams. Yet an odd couple tag team doesn win it. In fact the two final teams are established tags. Not only that but none of the odd couple tag teams appears to be turning into legit teams.

Also don't you think that the whole tournament on one show was tag match overkill?



Yeah, but Cage is more of a heel main eventer. Right now he is a face/tweener. So putting him in the main event would leave entirely too many questions. At least the Terrordome one makes sense cuz they would be climbing for a bigger prize. So the hard work and devastation now had a purpose. Plus, they always use the less bumped guys as fill ins in case of emergency anyways. Not sure why people applauded when Eric Young took Scot "Last Call" Hall's place but bitched about this one.

Kaz>>Eric Young

Young despite being complete shit, is more over than Kaz. He would also be a better replacment. Why? Because like I've said, he's consistently pushed. There was a whole roster of wrestlers they could have used in that match. Jay Lethal was in the Terrordom. He was more over, bigger star and so on. The #1 contender stipulation wasn't important either. Easily changed on iMPACT. Lethal choses to marry Val at Slammiversary instead. He choses to give it to the wrestler who was the most impressive in the match. Kaz possibly.




Yup. It was. But it was kind of a change. Something new. Don't be afraid of the newness. Embrace it. lol

Not really new. It was a cage match. But with less of an open top, and more wrestlers.










No talentless. Just not ready for a title run. Wrestling ratings do better with heel champs right now. Even WWE is slipping with a face Triple H at the helm. Just look at the rating over these periods if you don't believe me. Time for Jarrett to come back I believe.



He was ready for the run, 18 months ago. When he was still something special. Too late, and too many jobs for him to be credible.

[chrisgod]

Great questions. But the answer is simple. TV ratings.
Are they trying to get their own ratings down???? because that's what they are doing... they can't pass the 1.1, and for the last weeks they got less than 1.0

The 6-sided ring gives them an identity and when you see it you remember it but i dont think it's completely vital to the company and could be aborted.
AAA in Mexico has had the six sided ring before TNA got global... and at first, it was for "special" times and massive AAA shows (there are no PPVs in mexican promotions). Now that TNA has a weekly program and 12 PPVs each year, they can save the ring... It's everything but special...

Awesome Kong is great to watch, she powerbombs better than Batista.
Agreed... and also better than Nash...

"That bald chick" is actually hot when she has hair and is a very good wrestler. The Knockout division in general is 10000x better than the Divas. Personally when a WWE womens match comes on, i go make a sandwich, the Knockouts can actually entertain me. Although i do agree Kong may end up dominating the entire division and never losing the belt.
I wasn't saying WWE divas are better... I just think Kong is far from the others and there will be a point where no one can feud with her... so she will be feuding for the X gimmick division title, just like Chyna did a few years ago...

Sting is a top guy because he is quite simply the biggest legend still grappling now Flair is gone. Sting is the best guy to never work for the WWE and deserves everyones respect. He gives the promotion credibility as he is a globally famous star, same with Angle which is why he is pushed over and over again, because he is their chance to draw ratings, people think "Oh wow, it's Kurt Angle, i'm gonna check this company out"
As Jake Said, I think there are at least 4 guys bigger than Sting on WWE programming...
I think Angle is pretty much done on drawing big ratings... At this moment, no one is shocked for watching Angle on a different promotion...

Steiner is too old but he's another very famous wrestler on their roster and they owe him something after keeping him around doing very little for nearly two years. It's like Kane winning the ECW title, it's a reward for his time with the company because he doesnt have long left in his career.
Not the same case... Kane has been working (rather jobbing) for WWE for the last 11 years which makes him a loyal employee, he has been over as a heel and face, more than Steiner will ever be... he was never main event material... not even on TNA

Bottom line, both companies suck compared to what we had a few years ago
FACT!

they also show their inexperience with how to book correctly.
specially thursday and sunday nights...

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

All TV wrestling is getting lower ratings each week... But there are people who think TNA is making people change chanels and love watching the same shit every week *cough gillberti cough*...

Gilberti is a doof. He doesn't speak for us all. He's just the loudest. lol

TNA has so many gimmicked wrestlers, matches, divas (or whatever they are called), hell... even the ring is gimmicked!

Well it's called different. Makes for a faster ring. Gimmicked matches means you won't just be watching the same old contests that you have seen for years. They are trying something new. Embrace it.

Maybe I don't understand TNA logic and that's why is not as enjoyable as WWE is at least for me...

If you are so much of a WWE mark, then it will be VERY hard for you to understand TNA. They are two different promotions. TNA tries to set itself apart a bit while holding on to tradition. Just open open and let it in kid. Don't fight. It only hurts worse if you do. lol

I have a lot of questions for TNA fans and I hope someone help me understand better

No prob. That's what I'm here to attempt to do. Bare with me. I can only do so much.

1. Why do they have a lot of comedy wrestlers?? also, why they use old (and obviously non-original) gimmicks that were successful in other promotions???

Actually they have 4 total comedy wrestlers. WWE has about 20 total. Are you asking if they can have more or something? As far as the Machismo gimmick, it might nee a makeover. But Sharkboy 3:16 is Russo's baby, as was Austin 3:16. if he wants to put it on Kenny Rogers and have him run up and down 110th street Harlem, then he can do it. BUT... I do believe that the hidden message is telling you to stop holding on to these gimmicks so tightly because they could easily be pulled off by anybody. It's more of reality check than a theft.

2. What are they going to do to take the title off Awesome Kong??? she has been built as unstoppable, and at male wrestlers level, and the other girls just look so lame, so please don't tell me that the bald one is going to be incredibly over with the crowd because of being ugly and is going to win it?? after that... what are they going to do with kong??? will she be ever on the women's title feuds???

Kong IS Unstoppable. That's what makes the chase to watchable. Beth Phoenix WAS unstoppable. Somebody stopped her right? Some females wrestler stopped Chyna as well. Somebody will eventually stop Kong. Until then, just sit back and enjoy The Beautiful People's entrance. I swear, if were in High Def, it would be illegal. lol

3. Will Shark Boy some day wake up (like Eugene did a couple of months ago in FCW) and realise he is not Austin???

Not likely. He will just be pushed back to his place. It's NOT A PERMANENT GIMMICK. Why can't anybody see that? But maybe he will come out of it and Curryman will make a heel turn by cooking him with some spicy Hosein sauce. Mmm.

4. Will TNA pair Jay lethal with someone huge like Scott Steiner to create the new mega powers??? or they just give the hogan gimmick to Chris Sabin or someone like him??

Nope. I think the gimmick give Lethal some personality. I even loved it when he broke character after the Ultimate X match where he lost the title. He showed that he's more than the gimmick and is still there as a serious wrestler. Didn't notice that didja? Don't worry, that's why I'm here. :-D

5. why they still use that horrible 6 sided ring??? I've seen a house show on that ring (a AAA one) and some moves look odd...

It's because you aren't thinking outside the box. The 6 sided ring is actually pretty good and works even better for 6 way X division matches. It's a speed zone. Smooth and sleek. lol

6. TNA fans say Vince and WWE manipulates their fans by telling you who to cheer / boo... is it just me or TNA faces and heels go to the ring from different entrance ramps? why is that???

You're right. It's like watching Gladiators come from opposite sides of the arena. I mean you honestly want me to believe that two guys have a hot feud going and can come down the same path without one of them trying to jump the other? Now THAT insults my intelligence.

7. why TNA fans chant TNA! TNA! TNA! to any spot??? watching Impact is like watching the bastard son of ECW and last days WCW...

It's a non-specific chant. It means that the guys involved in the match are doing a good job and they don't want to single them out by cheering one and then the other. I mean people sound pretty clusterfucked on RAW trying to cheer for two or three different guys at the same time. It's like hearing high schoolers walking to lunch.

8. If they have so many talented, air moving, mat technicians, underated and athletic wrestlers as TNA fans say... why Scott Steroidner is main eventing?? Why a 45 year old man like sting is one of the top dogs??? is he helping to put young up and comers over??? I remember him feuding with abyss for like a year and a half...

They are there to help legitimize the guys who win. When did Sting win his last title? And who won it from him? Did Steiner win the title from Joe or did Joe muscle bust his ass? The older guys DO put over the younger guys getting pushed. When was the last time that Trips jobbed to somebody who wasn't his backstage friend? Benjamin? How long ago was that? Exactly.

9. Why Impact has like 30 promos per hour??? and why Kurt Angle appears in almost all of them???

Now that one, I gotta agree with. But it gives more light to storylines so you don't get lost. I'm still not sure why Cade attacked Murdock on RAW. They did ONE backstage segment and that was it. I hate THAT shit even more.

10. Why they have so stupid gimmick matches??? electrified cage???

Electrified Cage was an experiment. A bad one and one they won't do again. They are testing out matches so that they have signature matches. Can't just do First Blood and Last Man Standing matches all the time. Of course, I do wish WWE would do Hell In a Cell with other wrestlers than Taker. He's not up to it anymore and it aint as sick as it used to be.

Sorry if someone feels attacked... but I can't understand all of that...

Nay, I don't feel attacked. Hope you don't as well. I think that if you opened up and watched a few other wrestling promotions, then it would help. I grew up watching 4 or 5 different promotions at a time, and I think that helped alot. Kinda sux when one company runs everybody out of business. Means less choices and less outside the box thinking. Hope I helped. :-D

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

Lex Luger was a pile of shit. But he was a star. Kaz isn't. If TNA had pushed him consistently then maybe he would have been a suitable choice. But he's not had a good push since Angle beat him onImpact.

Angle beat everybody. Hell, Trips beats everybody, does that mean nobody should face HIM either? Why not put the guy who took Angle to his limit in his place. Woulda been nicer if Angle picked him. Woulda kinda been a rub and a chance for Angle to come back face while somebody else goes heel.

Also why wasn't that match good enough for PPV, yet 6 months and less of a push later Kaz is a suitable replacment.

Well Kaz has been right alongside Eric Young. He gets pushes for a while. They did drop the ball by not elevating him. But the smarks were still calling for Joe to go up. Can't please everybody.

It's free to watch TNA if they're in the iMPACT Zone. It's not hard to fill a small arena when it's in a complex like Universal Studios.

I know it's free. But they are still packed. You can give away free turds on corner. Doesn't mean that they will sell like hotcakes. People still come anc they have turn away crowds. Different Strokes didn't get crowds like that towards the end, and that was free and in front of a camera. So what u talkin bout Jake? lol


They have a tag tournament based off odd couple tag teams. Yet an odd couple tag team doesn win it. In fact the two final teams are established tags. Not only that but none of the odd couple tag teams appears to be turning into legit teams.

Yeah, I do think the whole disfunctional team thing was a bit overdone. And it woulda been nice to see Kong get past the first round. But if anything, they are showing WWE fans that you can't just put ANYBODY together and have them be tag champs. Now THAT gets so overdone these days.

Also don't you think that the whole tournament on one show was tag match overkill?

No more overkill than King of the Ring on an entire PPV or tv show.

Young despite being complete shit, is more over than Kaz. He would also be a better replacment. Why? Because like I've said, he's consistently pushed. There was a whole roster of wrestlers they could have used in that match. Jay Lethal was in the Terrordom. He was more over, bigger star and so on. The #1 contender stipulation wasn't important either. Easily changed on iMPACT. Lethal choses to marry Val at Slammiversary instead. He choses to give it to the wrestler who was the most impressive in the match. Kaz possibly.

Notice I pointed out that they use who can go as well. Young had been in matches already and prolly wasn't as ready to go as Kaz. Kaz also was being pushed along the same level as Kaz, maybe a lil lower. But Kaz is legit. Can you sit there and tell me that he isn't?

Not really new. It was a cage match. But with less of an open top, and more wrestlers.

Dude, have you ever tried climbing a jungle gym? That shit is hard. And imagine on THAT high. God damn, even harder. lol


He was ready for the run, 18 months ago. When he was still something special. Too late, and too many jobs for him to be credible.

I can tell you are a man who misses Goldberg. 18 months ago, Joe had a monster push and was shit on the mic. Now that he's better on the mic and doing longer matches, he aint any better. Pushing him back then woulda been complete bullshit. At least he's paid more dues now and showed he is human and was hungry. Not too bad, but still wished he was a heel in that spot.

[Uncle Sam]

Angle beat everybody. Hell, Trips beats everybody, does that mean nobody should face HIM either? Why not put the guy who took Angle to his limit in his place. Woulda been nicer if Angle picked him. Woulda kinda been a rub and a chance for Angle to come back face while somebody else goes heel.

Everybody and their dog has taken Angle to his limit in TNA. Jake's point was that after his match with Angle, Kaz completely dropped off the radar, not that he lost.

Well Kaz has been right alongside Eric Young. He gets pushes for a while. They did drop the ball by not elevating him. But the smarks were still calling for Joe to go up. Can't please everybody.

Since when did TNA actually listen to smarks? I think that stopped around 2005. Joe got the belt because TNA thought he was over. Turns out decisively less over than he once was.

I know it's free. But they are still packed. You can give away free turds on corner. Doesn't mean that they will sell like hotcakes. People still come anc they have turn away crowds. Different Strokes didn't get crowds like that towards the end, and that was free and in front of a camera. So what u talkin bout Jake? lol

Free things are more likely to go though, aren't they? "Hmm, wrestling, I dunno. Oh, it's free. Fuck it, not like it'd cost me anything."


Yeah, I do think the whole disfunctional team thing was a bit overdone. And it woulda been nice to see Kong get past the first round. But if anything, they are showing WWE fans that you can't just put ANYBODY together and have them be tag champs. Now THAT gets so overdone these days.

Not really. The WWE tag division isn't misused, it's nonexistent. Ask me who the WWE tag champs are. I can't do it. Well, I think Holly and Rhodes are one set. Think.

No more overkill than King of the Ring on an entire PPV or tv show.

The King of the Ring matches weren't all tag matches. Tag matches are gimmick matches. As Lockdown proves, a whole night of the same gimmick over and over gets old quickly. The same people over and over is crap too. Not to mention there were what? Seven tag matches on that card? Hence why I gave up on the thing.


Notice I pointed out that they use who can go as well. Young had been in matches already and prolly wasn't as ready to go as Kaz. Kaz also was being pushed along the same level as Kaz, maybe a lil lower. But Kaz is legit. Can you sit there and tell me that he isn't?

Kaz is on the same level as Kaz? I would think so. Why not Cage in the main event? Not like he had other plans or had a hard evening thus far.

Dude, have you ever tried climbing a jungle gym? That shit is hard. And imagine on THAT high. God damn, even harder. lol

Creed climbed it once. A bit. Didn't even take a bump. Kaz climbed out successfully. What's the point of the roof if no one takes a bump from it. There may have been one actually. If I'm right, the guy who fell was successfully caught by a bazillion other guys, thus completely taking away its impact. These guys need to learn to take a bump like Elix Skipper. Guy's fucking fearless. Cage-unrana FTW.


I can tell you are a man who misses Goldberg. 18 months ago, Joe had a monster push and was shit on the mic. Now that he's better on the mic and doing longer matches, he aint any better. Pushing him back then woulda been complete bullshit. At least he's paid more dues now and showed he is human and was hungry. Not too bad, but still wished he was a heel in that spot.

Joe's entire appeal was that he was inhuman. Like Dean Malenko, but a bigger bastard. Now what's his claim to fame? He's Kevin Nash's stooge and he pulls a face whenever someone talks? Bring back Angle, please.

[Mighty NorCal]

If WWE was free, a lot of fucking people would probably watch it (ppv) and they would sell out 80,000 seat stadiums every week. Laborious argument really.

[BADASSSSWEETBACK]

I don't think TNA is all that bad, as a matter of fact, when I tried to watch Raw Monday, I couldn't get past the 20 minute promos.

As far as people hating on Steiner, please!!!!
That man is a bonafied champion, I'm suprised he's just now getting into the title picture.
You haters can say what you want, but Scott Steiner's still the man!

If Ric Flair can wretle for some 40-50 odd years, then Steiner's got at least 20 more years. Hogan, here's another old man, and neither one of them still has the build of a Scott Steiner, let alone the attitude.

Flair & HHH held him back in the WWE, as a matter of fact I think Flairs scared of him!

and for the record, Sting is an Icon regarless of what anyone thinks or says, that man is another bonafied champion! He was the franchise player in WCW and he gets ratings!

See, thats the thing, people might not like a wrestler, but if he's got it, he's got it.

Look at John Cena, damn near everybody hates him and HHH, but both of those guys are champions. Another thing people should remember, it takes time to build a wrestler.
AJ Styles for example, I remember when he was in WCW. In the indies, he was known, but when I saw him on WCW, I didn't know who the hell he was!

When TNA first started doing the Wednesday PPV's, when I saw him, I recognized him.
Now, he's been the Triple crown TNA champion. Everybody sings his praises now, but it took how long?

I remember when the WWE was building HHH and the Rock, I remember when the Undertaker was in WCW. All these cats go from one company to another and depending on who's in charge, determines the wrestler's push.

Michael "P.S Racist" Hayes writes Smackdown, so you know what to expect from them if you are a minority.

It's a damn shame that the WWE has all those wrestlers and can't even put together a resonable storyline that would catch even the most casual wrestling fan.

The only problem I have with TNA is that they have too many gimmick matches (which seems to be going away slowly but surely) and I don't think they mix up the wrestlers enough.

I liked the whole James Storm/Roode & Booker T/Sting thing, I think that this would give more title opportunities to the lower card wrestlers which is what WCW tried to do with the New Blood storyline, they just didn't do it right.

TNA needs to stay far away from what WWE is doing, they need to find a way to make their product totally different. The 6 sided ring is a start, and I'm still not sure I like it.

My suggestion would be to mix it up, have everyone fighting to get a title shot, and change the championship match up evey month. I can see a James Storm/Sting fued
a Christian Cage/AJ Styles fued even a Booker T/Samoa Joe fued (I'd really like to see Booker T & Scott Steiner fued again)

Now ask yourself, how many ex WWE wrestlers on TNA are doing better for themselves (ie. Christian, Rhino, etc)

I predict that TNA will be as large as WWE within 5 years, now can you dig that?

SUCKA!!!!!!

[Uncle Sam]

TNA as a women-only show would rock. It has the tools to be awesome right now, but it's doing the equivalent of picking up a hammer and smashing its own hand with it, thus completely missing the nail.

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

If WWE was free, a lot of fucking people would probably watch it (ppv) and they would sell out 80,000 seat stadiums every week. Laborious argument really.

It's called "building". You can't go to a city and do a ppv (outside of a high school gym) if you haven't tested out the market yet. That's what TNA is doing with their house shows. Once they get their names and see what markets have interest, they can expand their pay per views like they are slowly doing.

YOu know, I find this kind of funny that people criticize TNA for holding a few of their PPV's at the Impact Zone when people used to think it was so kick ass that TNA held every ppv at the Asylum back in the early days. I guess you just can't make some people happy.

Oh btw, I've been to free WWE. Many top stars were there. So were roughly 250 to 300 fans in an arena that fit like 6000. Hell, Shawn Michaels spent most of the evening kicking back in a chair up on the second level between his two appearances in the ring. Like I said before. Not everything free is going to drive fans into the door to see it.

[Kyphael]

This thread title reminds me of the original ECW: One Night Stand when ECW fans were chanting "YOU SUCK DICK" and Kurt Angle went on the mic and said "YOUR MOTHER TAUGHT ME!" Cracked me up, I love it when wrestlers mess with the crowd.

To get back on topic, the main problem with TNA is they have too many gimmicks, as already made clear, which in turn ruins otherwise decent booking. Let's be honest, WWE hasn't had amazing booking in years, but people still take their product seriously, despite how watered down it is, because they don't turn their shows into a circus (at least, not the way TNA does...)

How many *object* on a pole match have we had in TNA in the last year? (dozens, literally, no joke; if you were to count, it'd be dozens)

How many copied, over the top gimmicks have we had in TNA that are pushed to the top/shoved down our throats? (Shark Boy 3:16, Curry Man, Black Machismo, Prince A.J, Black Reign, Super Eric, Rock & Rave Infection...) and why when most of those guys can be over by being themselves? Shark Boy should never be more of a jobber. Fallen Angel wouldn't have gotten stale if they gave him some fresh people to feud with, Jay Lethal was over before he became black Randy Savage, so was A.J Styles, what's wrong with plain old Dusty Rhodes? Paranoid Eric Young is better than Hurricane Redux... Rock & Rave are the only two I can think are benefiting from a shitty gimmick because let's face it, Christy, Rave and the tall guy wouldn't have a place on the show any other way right now.

The title picture just sucks, they have no idea where they're going. Why was Steiner holder of TNA's equivalent of MITB instead of a young, talented up and coming wrestler like Storm or Roode? Why is Booker T turning heel out of the blue with the only explanation being "he's developed an attitude"? Why isn't Cage, the only wrestler who never made it big in the WWE who deserved to, that TNA managed to correctly mold into a main event star not feuding someone he can put over? TNA is doing a lot of things wrong, and I'm not just pointing it out to spite Disco Inferno, despite how retarded he can be in his defense. They're doing more wrong than they are doing right, and ratings can't say otherwise, common sense does! The ratings aren't that great anyway, they can't even beat ECW, WWE's C show. This is all common sense. What would I do as head booker of TNA? Simple.

Daniels unmasks; starts a feud with Kurt Angle, blaming him for being put in the spot he is.
Tomko beats the piss out of Shark Boy and forces him to wake up from the trance that makes him think he's Stone Cold.
Samoa Joe retains at Slammiversary and begins a lengthly program with Nash, who uses underutilized talent to throw at Joe and try to dethrone him (such as Storm, Roode, Daniels, Tomko, a heel Jay Lethal, not Machismo) all of which would get a good rub out of having Nash in their corners in a strong storyline...
Jarrett returns when he is ready to form a heel wrestling stable with Roode, Daniels and Storm to oppose the likes of Cage, Booker T, Rhino and other former WWE guys who were not groomed in TNA.
I could go an all day in manners TNA can be fixed, but it won't happen because the programming wouldn't be non-sensical and retarded, and that's what TNA thinks draws big ratings, despite their lackluster numbers.

[Kyphael]

I just had another good idea; I would turn Slammiversary's King of the Mountain match from a title match to a #1 contender's match featuring Booker T, Robert Roode, Christian Cage and James Storm. Joe can defend the World title in a one on one title match that headlines the show. The winner of KOTM is the #1 contender to the title at Bound for Glory, that way they can start being built from now until Bound for Glory, leaving people guessing who the champion will be when their big event rolls around in October. A lot could happen from now until then.

[chocomatt12]

TNA's problem is exactly the problem WCW had. They havent created their own stars or they have pushed them only so far and are no where near. Example is Robert Roode and James Storm. They are just working with Stong and Booker T now. I mean how long did that fued with EY go on for both guys? far to long. Robert Roode would be a great heal to Samoa Joe's title just now, even more now that Angle is injured. I mean all the ratings just now are beacause of the knockouts. so try something new take a chance just dont sit with guys who are in the past like sting and steiner. Use the talent that they have and use the big names against the smaller names then just pass onto the next guy. just seems sensible.

One last point use AJ as a main face guy. He is one of the reasons they have spike deal and 2 hours. He is complete different to all the top guys in wwe and the most exciting guy to watch since a younger HBK.

[teamratedcds]

I'm not going to respond to all of that because I'm lazy, I just wanted to point something out. Samoa Joe weighs 240 lbs tops






samoa joe weight over 275 hes around 275 and 280

[chrisgod]

samoa joe weight over 275 hes around 275 and 280
Source: The always trustable WIKIPEDIA... his billed height is also 6ft 2in

It's called "building". You can't go to a city and do a ppv (outside of a high school gym) if you haven't tested out the market yet. That's what TNA is doing with their house shows. Once they get their names and see what markets have interest, they can expand their pay per views like they are slowly doing.
The first TNA shows that were going to be held here in Mexico sold like 200 tickets, for 4 shows in different places... the prices were cut with 50% and got a second 20% off... ringside was like $22 dlls and they couldn't sell more... all of the shows were canceled... nobody cares about TNA here... WWE almost sellouts 2 palacio de los deportes (like 15000 ticks each night)

As far as people hating on Steiner, please!!!!
That man is a bonafied champion, I'm suprised he's just now getting into the title picture.
You haters can say what you want, but Scott Steiner's still the man
I guess he is still A man... he's never got a sex change...

If Ric Flair can wretle for some 40-50 odd years, then Steiner's got at least 20 more years. Hogan, here's another old man, and neither one of them still has the build of a Scott Steiner, let alone the attitude.
Similarities between Hogan, Flair and Steiner:
-all of them are wrestlers, blonde, old, wrestled for WCW and WWE at one point of their careers, they all sucked at one point wrestling in RAW
Differences between them
-Flair is gold on the mic, so Hogan is pretty good, Steiner can barely speak
-Flair was at one point a good in ring performer, hogan was terrible but funny, Steiner has always been meh...
-Flair got a big crowd reaction even on his last horrible matches... Hogan still gets a huge pop for just appearing... Steiner just lacks charisma...
-Hogan and Flair meant ratings some years ago... Steiner means just nostalgia...
-Hogan and Flair are two of the biggest of all time... Steiner... well is Scott Steiner...
Also, Flair and Hogan doesn't have the build Steiner has because they are around their 60s... Steiner is like 44-45... attitude?? wearing glasses to the ring mean attitude???

and for the record, Sting is an Icon regarless of what anyone thinks or says, that man is another bonafied champion! He was the franchise player in WCW and he gets ratings!
He is one of the big stars of all time... maybe triple H level... big, but never one of the biggest... and he doesn't get ratings... nowadays nobody gets ratings by themselves... unless is Angelina Love and Velvet Sky kissing and rubbing against each other...

It's a damn shame that the WWE has all those wrestlers and can't even put together a resonable storyline that would catch even the most casual wrestling fan.
And the impact zone is full of casual wrestling fans... right???

Now ask yourself, how many ex WWE wrestlers on TNA are doing better for themselves (ie. Christian, Rhino, etc)
Just Christian... all of the rest were bigger on WCW, ECW or WWE... who got over there, is getting over now... the others just suck and they will suck for ever... matt morgan?? black reign???

I predict that TNA will be as large as WWE within 5 years, now can you dig that?
I predict that there will be a storyline, where Jeff Jarret acts like triple H, Impact will be renamed SmackRAW or something like that... and TNA will still get low ones for ratings... while Raw stays in the low 3s, smackdown in the high 1s, and ECW got cancelled...

BTW Spawn answered my questions but squashed my opinions... at least he agreed there are a lot of promos during Impact...

[Echelon]

TNA as a women-only show would rock.

I agree, and if not maybe TNA should create a women only sub show, the women have proven themselves to be a major draw, so an all women show could work if done correctly

[Echelon]

I wasn't saying WWE divas are better... I just think Kong is far from the others and there will be a point where no one can feud with her... so she will be feuding for the X gimmick division title, just like Chyna did a few years ago...


And that was one of the main mistakes that WWE made with Chyna, they had the opportunity once Chyna was thrust back into the women's division to use Chyna's momentum that she had gained from spending so much time in the men's division, to elevate one (or more) of the other girls to Chyna's level in the eyes of the crowd, but instead WWE chose to book Chyna in pointless squash matches, destroying the potential for several classic feuds.

Most of the women in TNA - Gail, ODB, Roxxi, Melissa, Angelina Love. All these women have the ability to wrestle kong and beat her on a believable scale, mostly due in part because of Awesome Kong's ability to work well with anybody. Kong could make Christy Hemme look like a million bucks if she really wanted to.

If Kong does find success in the men's division, and is raised to a higher standard in the eyes of the crowd, I have no doubt that TNA would then use Kong as a catalyst to then raise some of the other girls to a similar level.

[Esteban Ochocinco]

First off whoever the hell questioned the talent of Samoa Joe clearly doesnt know wrestling, WWE would pay insane money to have him and everyone he has ever worked with has put him over as a natural talent. Seeing the things he can do in a ring is a thing of beauty, the guy can strike, fly and mat wrestle, all while weighing 300lbs.

That would be me. No the WWE would not pay insane money to Samoa Joe, because they already have their fat Samoan gimmick with Umaga, who is far superior to Average Joe in almost every single way possible.

The only thing Average Joe is better then Umaga in is being a terrible no selling stiff hack. Other then that Umaga > Average Joe.

Average Joe is a good striker, because he's stiff as shit, that'sa bout it. He has a Goldbeg gimmick of being dominate and not having to sell. Average Joe couldn't sell a cheeseburger to his own fat ass. The guy is terrible, and is only over because every once in a while he'll break Kayfabe in a worked shoot promo. Other then that, he's terrible.

[BADASSSSWEETBACK]

[QUOTE=chrisgod;456067]Source:
I predict that there will be a storyline, where Jeff Jarret acts like triple H, Impact will be renamed SmackRAW or something like that... and TNA will still get low ones for ratings... while Raw stays in the low 3s, smackdown in the high 1s, and ECW got cancelled...[QUOTE]

If "Redneck" Jeff Jarrett comes back, you might be right!

You made some valid points about Flair and Hogan, but I still Like Big Poppa Pump!

Velvet Sky & Angelina Love definately get my ratings up!

[OIL]

Velvet Sky & Angelina Love definately get my ratings up!

I gotta agree on that one. Why the hell did the WWE let them go?

[Echelon]

I gotta agree on that one. Why the hell did the WWE let them go?

they weren't pretty enough to meet their standards

[Uncle Sam]

I've said this so many times and it's nigh on completely irrelevant, but the divas are fucking unwatchable. The women's division of TNA is the last thing I can stand to watch.

[OIL]

they weren't pretty enough to meet their standards

Blimey. And Jillian Hall is? lmao

I know I heard Velvet Sky saying she quit WWE because they wanted her to get a boob job. Says it all really. Sort it out WWE.

[Y 2 Jake]

She quit because WWE wanted to have a boob job? Maybe she should have gone through with it, considering she appears to have one now anyway.

[OIL]

She quit because WWE wanted to have a boob job? Maybe she should have gone through with it, considering she appears to have one now anyway.

Yup thats what she said in an interview.

Well, when they're the highest rated segment of iMPACT! then I guess they might feel under pressure.

The only reason they are anyway is because of their ring entrance.

[Y 2 Jake]

Tell that to Disco Inferno.

[OIL]

Tell that to Disco Inferno.

I will then.

Wait, you tell him. I got no idea who you're on about anyway.

[Echelon]

Blimey. And Jillian Hall is? lmao

yes

[justinsayne]

yes

no

[Echelon]

no

yes

[Uncle Sam]

Yes.

[Slim Pickns]

Huh

[justinsayne]

Huh

IDK, I lost track what we are talking about

[Echelon]

I didn't

Jillian > all

[justinsayne]

I didn't

Jillian > all

at sucking:p

[OIL]

Fuck TNA!

[Slim Pickns]

I didn't

Jillian > all

Yeah, if we're talking bra size.

[Uncle Sam]

I dunno, that ODB is One Dirty Bitch.

[justinsayne]

Yeah, if we're talking bra size.

Meh... I'm thinking Ashley might have her beat on that one

[Slim Pickns]

Meh... I'm thinking Ashley might have her beat on that one

Its close, Candice is up there now too after her latest trip to the surgical table.

[Uncle Sam]

O D B

[josh144]

tna sucks

i watched the y2j/batista match on raw and it was amazing

tna never could pull off a great match unless it was a gimmick match

they have gimmick matches every week and its boring

they need talent that could go out there and actually perform good matches without weapons

plus they dont know shit about how to bring back injured wrestlers

john cena returning at rumble, undertaker returning at unforgiven, hbk returning to the nwo, dx reforming both were great moments that tna could never think of

[Echelon]

Meh... I'm thinking Ashley might have her beat on that one

Jillian's boobs are relatively small

[KillBill]

You guys are right. Wrestling is hurting, but a few minor changes wouldn't hurt. Steiner is old, but let him do his thing, the frankensteiner can still work. Rob Van Dam should go to TNA when his wife is better. Jarret will help, and wheres Raven? If Lashley and Goldberg ever show, then things get interesting. TNA needs a few wrestlers. There are only a very few guys who could turn a promotion around by themselves. If The Big Show had gone there, that would have been something.
The WWE? When stings contract is up, he should sign a one match deal and wrestle Shawn Micheals, its a never happened before match that would draw. Then put Sting in HOF. He belongs there, even if he was never in wwe. If Rock never left for Hollywood and stone cold could still wrestle, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The Rock could still come back, and that would equal ratings. How about Sid? Hes older, but in great shape. He could come in and bring something new for a while. Killings and Harris need to be on TV, that would freshen things up. ECW....New Jack!!!! But thats too risky. Bring back the Natural Born Thrillers, that would be interesting, they all could use the work. And bring back hardcore title!!!

[Slim Pickns]

To all u guys. If TNA is Shit why do they get better ratings then WWE?

They don't.

[emp]

TNA sucks right now and the sad part is that they only need one man to carry the company. That is AJ Styles. I'll admit, Angle, Cage, James Storm, Roode, Petey Williams, and Booker are part of the reason I still watch TNA, but the main reason is that I'm waiting for TNA management to stop dropping the ball with AJ Styles. The guy is simply amazing every time he gets in the ring, has improved a hell of a lot on the stick, and is finally starting to drop the comedy or so it seems considering the events on 5/22 impact. I hope they don't drop the ball for the thousand time.

Come on AJ! Get that TNA belt soon!

[Echelon]

You know TNA has failed as a company when Angelina Love draws better ratings than Christian Cage, Booker T, or Sting

[Slim Pickns]

You know TNA has failed as a company when Angelina Love draws better ratings than Christian Cage, Booker T, or Sting

Well, thats actually just me watching on seventeen different TV's at once.

[Echelon]

Hmm... I wonder what would appeal to male fans more? A beautiful woman that wrestles like Kurt Angle, or Kurt Angle?

[Slim Pickns]

While if she wrestles like Kurt Angle, she's still not Kurt Angle. Still, I'd go with the hot chick.

[Echelon]

While if she wrestles like Kurt Angle, she's still not Kurt Angle. Still, I'd go with the hot chick.

I think everyone would, useless your gay

[Slim Pickns]

Useless? I wouldn't call being gay useless. I mean you can't reproduce, but come on Ech useless is a little harsh.

[Echelon]

I was kidding

[Slim Pickns]

I figured. I'm just messing around, its been a long day.

[Y 2 Jake]

Jillian's boobs are relatively small

Yeah, those things are tiny.

[Echelon]

Yeah, those things are tiny.

you noticed?

[Y 2 Jake]

Surprisingly not.

[RatedR69]

To respond to the theme of this post and everyone who "hates" TNA so much, they can't keep their TV off of it:

Stop watching. Go back to watching Patrick Dempsey on Gay's Anatomy or whatever you WWE fanboys were originally watching on Thursday nites. Did bitching a million posts on various wrestling websites make you guys feel better, or make the writers/producers take you guys seriously?! Does burying TNA want to make WWE take cruiserweights or women seriously? Does posting "F TNA" everywhere make HHH the most humble, unself-serving prick in the world?

Nope, I didn't think so either.

TNA is what it is, and everything the world has its good points and bad points; get over it already.

[Sparky]

do you have anything to back that up mate? why is tna so good?
seriously the reason i dislike tna is, its just boring. they have boring wrestlers boring matches and every week week in week out its all about kurt angle. i have watched five minutes of tna and fell asleep.

[Y 2 Jake]

If people didn't bitch about wrestling, then wrestling forums wouldn't be around.

[justinsayne]

To respond to the theme of this post and everyone who "hates" TNA so much, they can't keep their TV off of it:

Stop watching. Go back to watching Patrick Dempsey on Gay's Anatomy or whatever you WWE fanboys were originally watching on Thursday nites.

Actuelly I don't watch TNA, haven't watched in months, don't really watch much of anything on Thursday nights for that matter

Did bitching a million posts on various wrestling websites make you guys feel better, or make the writers/producers take you guys seriously?!

So you would rather we bitch about people bitching about wrestling?, you know kinda like you're doing

Does burying TNA want to make WWE take cruiserweights or women seriously? Does posting "F TNA" everywhere make HHH the most humble, unself-serving prick in the world?

Nope, I didn't think so either.

Does burying WWEmake TNA better in anyway what so ever?, Does posting bashing Triple H make Angle or Joe better champions?

Nope, didn't think so

TNA is what it is, and everything the world has its good points and bad points; get over it already.

No, we don't have to get over, you see that's the whole point of wrestling forums, for people to vent and bitch about shitty wrestling, if you don't like what people are saying to bad get over it already

[Skullz Crack'Em]

-- In case you're wondering what TNA's strongest viewer demographic is, its 50-year old men (and up) as apparently they enjoy the slew of women and references to several year old wrestling angles the most. For instance, the 5/15 show drew a 0.87 overall rating with 1.1 million viewers, but the 50 and up Male demo drew a 1.02 rating. In comparison, the show did a 0.62 in Males 18-34 and 0.56 in Males 35-49. TNA's weakest demographic appears to be Women 18-49, and by a wide margin. Impact drew a 0.21 rating with them for the 5/15 show and a 0.18 for the 5/8 show. The 5/8 show also drew a 0.97 in Males 50 (and up), 0.69 in Males 35-49, and 0.55 in Males 18-34. The show did a 0.91 rating with 1.2 million viewers.

Pathetic...............

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

Everybody and their dog has taken Angle to his limit in TNA. Jake's point was that after his match with Angle, Kaz completely dropped off the radar, not that he lost.

Well yeah, they put him in some pointless feuds, but if they didn't have anything big for him then why not keep him actively on tv? It isn't like he fell off of tv or anything like that. If you watched Kaz back when he was Frankie "The Future" Kazarian, he had alot of potential. The man then burned both TNA and WWE. If anything, TNA is being careful about pushing him full blast as he has shown that he is fickle and is only about himself in the overall scope of things. He could either be a poison pill or the next big thing. Giving him spots like this will help TNA to see for themselves while letting Kaz know that he isn't going to just get a spot because of his past talents.

Since when did TNA actually listen to smarks? I think that stopped around 2005. Joe got the belt because TNA thought he was over. Turns out decisively less over than he once was.

Well if he's not over like he once was, then that's just how things go. Just that plain and simple. It's called the wrestling business. Nobody who was hot in 2005 is over like they used to be.


Free things are more likely to go though, aren't they? "Hmm, wrestling, I dunno. Oh, it's free. Fuck it, not like it'd cost me anything."

Went to a free WWE event with Shawn Michaels headlining. Arena seated 3000, crowd there was like 300 maybe 350. There were 10,000 people walking around outside who didn't even bother coming in. Not sure if your "free" theory would apply there.


Not really. The WWE tag division isn't misused, it's nonexistent. Ask me who the WWE tag champs are. I can't do it. Well, I think Holly and Rhodes are one set. Think.

Exactly. So all in all, only the established teams came out glowing in the tournament. Not the mixed ones. Although, I woulda liked to see Kong go further than she did. Woulda been quite the twist to things in TNA to see her getting a push in the men's division.



The King of the Ring matches weren't all tag matches. Tag matches are gimmick matches. As Lockdown proves, a whole night of the same gimmick over and over gets old quickly. The same people over and over is crap too. Not to mention there were what? Seven tag matches on that card? Hence why I gave up on the thing.

Give up. It's your choice to do so. Otherwise, the rest of us would like for you guys who have supposed given up and don't watch it to shut up as well. I mean if you people don't watch it, then why continue to write your disdain about it? Out of site, out of mind right?



Kaz is on the same level as Kaz? I would think so. Why not Cage in the main event? Not like he had other plans or had a hard evening thus far.

Sorry slip of words. Why not Cage in the main event? Why Cage in the main event is a better question. He's a Super face. They are trying to build up Samoa Joe as a Super face. Why bring in a face that gets a bigger pop than he does if you are trying to credibly get him over? Make for one hell of a complaint afterwards, but it makes no sense. Next!


Creed climbed it once. A bit. Didn't even take a bump. Kaz climbed out successfully. What's the point of the roof if no one takes a bump from it. There may have been one actually. If I'm right, the guy who fell was successfully caught by a bazillion other guys, thus completely taking away its impact. These guys need to learn to take a bump like Elix Skipper. Guy's fucking fearless. Cage-unrana FTW.

And now Skipper looks like Pookie from New Jack City. Half the sizer he used to be and not even a credible entity in TNA. It's a new match where they need to work out the bugs. Not like a guy can climb and do a friggin plancha off of it. And what would be the point if you were climbing out anyways? Tsk tsk. Think these things out man. lol


Joe's entire appeal was that he was inhuman. Like Dean Malenko, but a bigger bastard. Now what's his claim to fame? He's Kevin Nash's stooge and he pulls a face whenever someone talks? Bring back Angle, please.

Nah, Bring back Jarrett. You have to bring back the most dastardly heel that TNA has ever had if you want to build Joe up. The other are just faking it. Jarrett is the real deal.

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

do you have anything to back that up mate? why is tna so good?
seriously the reason i dislike tna is, its just boring. they have boring wrestlers boring matches and every week week in week out its all about kurt angle. i have watched five minutes of tna and fell asleep.

I used to us WWE RAW as a sleep aid. Then I found it to be more exciting to just read the results on the main board than it did watching it. lol

[Uncle Sam]

I might reply to that post some time. Key word being might. Right now, I'm tired.

[Fizzywink]

tna does suck idk why i watch it i agree with everything on here i guess i like it just cause its wrestling but idk?