Champions got the wrong storylines?

[huwtimbrell38]

is it just me or does it seem like the champions have got the wrong storylines right now?

ECW Champion: Kane

Gettin beat down week in week out, made to look like hes being beaten kinda easily being picked apart

Smackdown Champion: Undertaker

Being screwed by the GM in order for him to have the title taken off him

Raw Champion

Being booked as some kind of unbeatable monster who never has any offence against him and is dominating his opponents with ease

Now for me, it wud be better if Kane was the unbeatable monster, pushed to the limit so someone such as Kofi/Shelton can eventually get a reallly big push by finally taking him down, would also give the ECW title a big push aswell.

Taker could be the guy whos being beat down by edge, the edgeheads and even chavo and his new bestest buddy. This wudnt need the intervention of the GM, altho she cud still book to try and hurt undertaker with handicap matches etc...but the focus here should be on edge and his little posse doin the damage, not vickie

and finally to the thing which confuses and annoys me the most, HHH "the god." at the moment he is being pushed as someone who will never lose or have any offense agaisnt him. he took out the whole ecw roster and looked rediculous doing it because of the fact they all took it in turns to take the chair instead of more than one person going at him. also orton has been in my opinion completely buried, his age of orton storyline was just getting really good but its been killed coz of hhh's need to have another title run.

So obviously the natural storyline here should be for Regal and HHH to feud, and yes this might be built on but by that point it will be so boring because we have already seen it with vickie/taker, and even colin delaney/armando. orton and regal cudve teamed up to try take hhh down, and they cudve got burchill involved to help orton...this way orton and burchill get heat and hhh can take his title and have fun with it.

your thoughts?

[buddy_z34]

you're exactly right. Kane needs to go back to his unbeatable monster character. and then have someone come in like a Benjamin and beat him. but then again if that happens then ECW will become stale and boring. unless Kane and Benjamin have some really good matches.

with Taker's gimmick it's impossible for him to be feuding with the GM of any brand. because his character calls for not that much mic time. the vickie and edge storyline with taker has gotten stale because Taker cant respond or say anything.

HHH has a major ego and he needs to come of his throne so to speak. he is not the unbeatable monster like Taker or Kane used to be. having him fued with Regal will bring flashbacks of Austin vs McMahon.

i know that these storylines are just being repeated over and over again but how many storylines can you come up with over a 25 year period? it's like writing for a TV show. how many TV shows have been on for 25 years? how many tv shows have been on for 5 years and that are still interesting with new storylines?

[Mighty NorCal]

Um....WHat??? I guess ive missed HHH getting owned by Orton every week since he won the belt eh??? :lmao: more nonsense Triple H hating. Have we been watching the same program??? First week, he and Orton have a very competitive match. Second week, he battles the entire brand, and has to use a chair to escape, and is then owned by orton. The just this last week, he has no match, but a mere confrontation with Orton. Thats hardly being a "god" with No offense levied against him.

The Kane storyline IS stupid. fairly silly to book Kane as a monster, at WM, then have him be owned every week, and be in a feud with an established heel, who will have no benefit from the feud.

And The Taker scenario makes perfect sense. Vickie is Edge's fiancee. She wants Edge to have the belt. Not Taker. She hates Taker becuase he hurt Edge. Takes the belt. Fairly simple. SO the only one that really doesnt make sense right now is the Kane storyline. Please dont let this get turned into another Triple H hate thread, or itll be closed, and thrown into the thread designated for that kind of thing.

[klunderbunker]

The Taker one I have no complaints about, other than the usual ones about Vickie being more annoying than anything in wrestling history. The HHH storyline seems pretty basic as it's just really a feud to pass the time until Cena, Kennedy or Hardy are either free/ready to take him on in a major feud.

Now onto Kane. I didn't even realize he was in a storyline at the moment. His match this Sunday is a tag title match with Punk. That's hardly a storyline. All that is is trying to fit everyone on an overcrowded roster on a needless ppv. Kane in my opinion needs to just start running through the ECW roster in a series of title matches every Tuesday. Then have some big name from Smackdown or WWE come to try to take the title from him. That's a good 4 months of storyline for him, but what does he get? A tag title run. Kane's not in the wrong story, he's not in a story period.

[TheOneBigWill]

is it just me or does it seem like the champions have got the wrong storylines right now?

ECW Champion: Kane

Gettin beat down week in week out, made to look like hes being beaten kinda easily being picked apart

Anything would come to look "easily" when the attacks come in the form of handicap 2, 3 and 4 on 1. Or from behind.

Kane as a face Champion is made to put over the heel talent, as hes being shown as so "unstoppable" the only way to beat him, is to double team him.

Smackdown Champion: Undertaker

Being screwed by the GM in order for him to have the title taken off him

Which is another brilliant storyline, as it shows the Undertaker as such a force to be dealt with, the only way he can drop the Championship is when hes cheated out of it.

Would you rather Edge defeated him cleanly? Or perhaps the tremendous feud between Taker & Edge to of ended with Taker beating Edge at Mania, then ending?

Raw Champion

Being booked as some kind of unbeatable monster who never has any offence against him and is dominating his opponents with ease

Uhm? Triple H. has been owned in recent weeks by Randy Orton. Which once again is "heel tactics 101." The face is suppose to look unstoppable and dominating, with the heels cheating to gain the advantage.

Now for me, it wud be better if Kane was the unbeatable monster, pushed to the limit so someone such as Kofi/Shelton can eventually get a reallly big push by finally taking him down, would also give the ECW title a big push aswell.

So you'd have Kane single handedly mow through the entire roster, as someone who doesn't even get slightly touched.. so you could randomly have Kofi (undefeated) or Benjamin (off the map) randomly beat him and instantly go over?

What do you explain to the numerous names of the talent you had willingly look like weak fools who just got mowed down by Kane in the process?

Taker could be the guy whos being beat down by edge, the edgeheads and even chavo and his new bestest buddy. This wudnt need the intervention of the GM, altho she cud still book to try and hurt undertaker with handicap matches etc...but the focus here should be on edge and his little posse doin the damage, not vickie

You just explained the storyline thats currently, actually, going on. Edge is USING Vickie Guerrero to his advantage (heel tactic) to get any advantage over the Undertaker (face/Champion) he can.

Vickie as the heel GM, bent on making Taker pay for hurting her lover is mainly the only role a GM can truly have thats entertaining.

Meanwhile, the multiple handicap matches have been happening for monthes now. So what you just said, is whats been happening for a while now. Do you watch Smackdown, or are you just assuming?

and finally to the thing which confuses and annoys me the most, HHH "the god." at the moment he is being pushed as someone who will never lose or have any offense agaisnt him. he took out the whole ecw roster and looked rediculous doing it because of the fact they all took it in turns to take the chair instead of more than one person going at him. also orton has been in my opinion completely buried, his age of orton storyline was just getting really good but its been killed coz of hhh's need to have another title run.

A.) Triple H. LOST that match, against the E.C.W. roster. Then cleaned house to receive a pop from the fans.

B.) Randy Orton delivered an R.K.O. and stood over Triple H. to end the show. Hardly H.H.H. owning and not taking any punishment.

[huwtimbrell38]

yes hhh and keneddy won their match, but keneddy was pinned, hhh didnt have much offense on him during that match and afterwards took out too many people for my liking, and the whole hhh taking out orton and standing on top of the cage after the confrontation on raw just smacked him being overstated...
im not hating on HHH im just saying i think its being booked wrong and part of this comes from the fact he always seems to want to make himself look this strong..

as someone mentioned, the storyline with taker has gone on too long because of his lack of mic work, personally i am bored with it, which is a shame because i really enjoy the matches between edge and taker, but the segment where he got stripped of the title bored me because of the fact he just stood there...this is the type of situation where i think HHH would be better suited because he cudve "fought back" verbally before getting "outsmarted" by the gm...for instance regal sending down khali and as hhh takes out khali orton runs in a takes the belt

and as for kane, why not have him take out the likes of Chavo (who doesnt deserve to be anywhere near the main event) snitsky and any other lower level heels for a few weeks and make him look the strong monster, THEN move onto the likes of Morrison taking him down, which would make Morrison, or shelton or whoever they decide to give the push to, look so much stronger than they are now because if they win within the next few weeks it will be a case of several people having beat him down rather than one man outsmarting him.

personally this is why i think its been bad booking recently. i dont disagree with HHH being champion, altho i do think if they were going to take the title off orton then they shudnt have wasted the age of orton thing. as for taker being booked strong, why do they need the general manager involved? they could just screw him out of the title with a series of attacks with edges "posse" which i think is now being underused.

and to will, yes i do watch smackdown regularly, but when was the last time edge and his group got a decisive win over taker? or even a succesful beatdown? while i may have described something similar to the storyline i was saying they dont need the intervention of the gm, especially when the GM is being pushed so hard on raw because it starts to get so repetitive and if both GM's are playing the same type of tactics then it can lose its effect and stop them from gaining as much heat as they possibly can, so i think they should drop the vickie storyline which has been going on for so long, so they can concentrate on Regal being the evil dominating GM which he is doing so well at atm. other wise we are going to have the same storylines on both shows.

[Danmen001]

I need something to do, so this will be it.

you're exactly right. Kane needs to go back to his unbeatable monster character.

He doesn't need to be unstoppable. And in case you didn't notice he won in 8 seconds at mania.

and then have someone come in like a Benjamin and beat him.

And that would achieve..... what exactly? I surprise victory, that if Kane was dominant like you said no one would come even close to buying.

but then again if that happens then ECW will become stale and boring.

So you are telling us to do something that will make ECW even more stale and boring.

unless Kane and Benjamin have some really good matches.

Which would be close to impossible with the different styles of those 2.

with Taker's gimmick it's impossible for him to be feuding with the GM of any brand. because his character calls for not that much mic time.

That silly, of course he can fued with a GM, in fact the way that the current storyline is being booked in great. Expect for Vickie who isn't that great on the mic. Which is basically all she does.

the vickie and edge storyline with taker has gotten stale because Taker cant respond or say anything.

See above.

HHH has a major ego and he needs to come of his throne so to speak. he is not the unbeatable monster like Taker or Kane used to be.

True it is pretty much said that HHH has a big ego of sorts. I dont see what that was to do with Kane or Taker being monsters though.

having him fued with Regal will bring flashbacks of Austin vs McMahon.

Which is bad how? The Austin vs. McMahon was one of the best storylines of all time.

i know that these storylines are just being repeated over and over again but how many storylines can you come up with over a 25 year period?

We finally agree on something.

it's like writing for a TV show. how many TV shows have been on for 25 years? how many tv shows have been on for 5 years and that are still interesting with new storylines?

Good point. It's hard to create storylines for so long. 2 things for us to agree on:).

[buddy_z34]

on every show RAW,ECW and SD there are wrestlers fueding with GM's. it gets boring at times.

the wrestlers currently involved in the fueds dont mesh well together. it would be better if Taker fueded with HHH and Orton vs Edge.

the Vickie GM role needs to go. its repetitive with her making up rules and matches out of nowhere to help Edge. if thats their idea of a stable its one of the worst ever.

oh and nowhere did i say the HHH and Regal fued was bad. i said it will bring back memories of Austin vs McMahon. i think you just read it wrong or got the wrong idea.

i hope this draft comes soon and changes things up.

[WinstonDeckard]

Okay again, man this is getting tiresome. Ok, I don't mind Edge and Taker's feud. Because, well I don't know it's good. They have good matches and the intensity is palpable. Hopefully that'll suffice the powers that be. As Kane, who cares? I mean it's ECW and although a few of their performers have talent and put on good matches, the WWE has it seems gone out of their way to make us not care about what's going on there. I guess in that regard I've merely been led like a sheep by his Shepard. As for Triple H, he's just killing time until the inevitable Cena and Trips confrontation. Now why do I feel that way, I don't maybe because they want to till Summerslam and will prolong this worn and calloused program with Orton until the right time to unleash Cena vs. Hunter. Tick Tock.

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

Kane - isn't in a storyline so.... we need to accept that ECW is the SD! equivalent of Heat. What shud happen, is the ECW title shud b put on the line every other week like Big Show did when he was champ, and shud ALWAYS b contested under extreme rules to win back a shred of it's credibility. Apart from Chavo (who apparently no one can bear to watch), there aren't any strong heels with enuf heat to b put into a credible fued with Kane. Punk's obviously being built up for bigger things, and Morrison shud b too, but if WWE don't intend to push him further, then he shud get the next title shot. I can't see Kane dropping the title to Knox, Shelton or Miz because they don't have any momentum or drawing power. Miz has some drawing power but only alongside Morrison, Knox needs some develpoment b4 anyone begins to care about him, and Shelton must've farted in the same corridor as Vince to get buried as badly as he has been for the last 3 years. Work on the ECW heels and bringing back extreme rules is what's needed there.

'Taker - Take Vickie off TV. That's all this storyline really needs. I don't see why Taker needs to speak to make the fued good. What exactly is he gonna say that's so different from all of his other face Deadman promos? "Vickie stop screwing with me or i will take your Familia's souls and then you can all R.I.P." Wow, original! Fuck it, why not have a fake funeral where Taker jumps out of the coffin while we're at it. (Oh coz they did it in this fued already that's why) All i think this storyline needs now is more talent involved. The title is vacant! Why is Edge the only guy getting a shot? (Before you all say it yeah i kno coz he's doin the GM) Let's have a bit more unpredictability once in a while. This could b the perfect platform for MVP to become champ like the Rock did at SS '98. A guy no one thought wud win the title ends up worming his way to the top. But no we'll keep having Taker v Edge until Edge wins or gets kayfabe crippled by Taker.

HHH - Are people watching a different Raw than me? Since winning the title, HHH has stuck his nose in Regal's business and been punished for it everytime. Even if he does manage to avoid a mass beat down by multiple guys, Randy has had the last laugh just as often as HHH so who ever says that HHH has blitzed thru everyone is either blind or retarded. He's been made to look like he's really struggled to beat Orton in both his title defenses when it's down to them one on one. He DIDN'T beat the ECW roster, but the way he got rid of them was weak. They started fighting each other and then decided to beat on him and he took out all of them with a chair shot each. LAME! The Age of Orton shud have not have ended yet IMO, but HHH's storyline's only problem is that we've now seen 4 title matches between HHH and Orton in the last 7 months alone. But the question is, who else is HHH gonna fued with? Jiggly Boobs Layfield? Now that Regal has been suspended, JBL is the only ME level heel for HHH to work with, who he hasn't faced a million times over, but who the fuck wants to see that?

So overall, i disagree. The champs aren't in the wrong storylines, there are just alot of things that could b done to make them better, in Kane's case, actually BEING in a storyline for a title ppl audiences have respect for.

[WinstonDeckard]

im just a little confuzzled as to why triple h got the title in the first place, i mean, here is this unbelievably brilliant champion in randy orton, he even proves 92% of the fans wrong when he gets a pinfall victory over cena and triple h at wrestlemania.what a shock. it must be the only time that the royal rumble winner hasnt got the belt since trips retained back in 2000, and even that was a screwjob. the age of orton was upon us and noone could ever manage to take the title out of his greasy hands, it looked like he was the greatest most unstoppable champion of recent history,

then we have what i think is usually the worst ppv of the year, with a main event which was poorly concocted, was a rematch from mania, just with a forth, lesser credible contender thrown in, and they had what was just an awful build up to an average match and triple h just happened to walk out with the title that day.it just seemed like a really strange thing to do. what ever happened to all ortons momemtum. i only hope that randy wins it back and the two have a good back and forth rivalry for the most part of this year.

undertaker is a good enough champion in a ok storyline, i am getting a bit wound up at vickie guerrero now, i used to like her when everybody hated her, not i cant stand her.

and kane................ kane, im not even sure that he has done anything in ecw yet, i seen him have a couple matches against shelton, then i blinked at wreslemania and missed him becomming champion. im just thinking he will start a nice feud with whoever wins the no 1 contenders match at one night stand, and maybe if it is big show vs kane for a title, people will care to watch it for a change.

I think they should've kept the belt on Orton but I could see why they didn't. I mean there's no dancing around the fact that Trips was going to get a title run. A top guy like Trips can only be in so many meandering mid card feuds for long. Also I think they thought Orton can't draw without a big name and that he can't wrestle guys he needs to carry. So they decided to take the belt off of him and give it to Trips to help build up to a Cena vs. Trips Summerslam. With that said, I think they jumped the gun and should've had Orton drop the belt on The Night of Champions simply to eat time and help add some luster to Orton's reign to keep him strong for another run later down the road.

[kurtisraw07]

I don't know what feud you guys are watching, but Orton has been Triple H's bitch. Look at their matches, Orton telegraphs constantly allowing Triple H to take control in places where Orton realisticly could put the match away. The face/heel "match rules" are passe and shouldn't matter anymore. Just because Orton is a heel shouldn't mean he has to cheat to win a match or get the advantage. It's unrealistic for the heel to always have to cheat. Not to mention it gets boring.

[DeadmanInc.]

Kane - I agree here. Kane won the belt at WM in less than 10 seconds yet he gets owned every week. He is losing whatever credibility as a monster he has left.

Undertaker - This storyline is decent. What's making it stale is that Edge doesn't have a single victory over the Undertaker. The feud is incredibly one-sided and it makes Edge look really weak. I like the whole angle with Vickie though, despite how annoying she is.

Triple H - Well his politicking is less obvious since Orton has been getting the last laugh lately. The main reason this feud is stale is because we've seen it many times already. It's getting really old. Unfortunately, there are no main event Heels for HHH to face right now.