Lord William Regal

[TheOneBigWill]

The Sun has an interview with William Regal. He says he wants to be champion. "Of course I want to be involved more in a wrestling capacity, that's why I'm in the shape I'm in. Next I want to be world champion, I really do." He also wants to be a lot more active in the ring. "I’m always jumping all over Vince McMahon to let me wrestle more. He can't stand the sight of me! But you’ve got to. I’m 40 in a few weeks and I feel like I'm better in the ring, and more on my game, than I've ever been. I don't want to be remembered for pulling funny faces, I want people to get a chance to see me wrestle the top fellas and have some big time matches." He also talks about Chris Benoit. "It was a really weird time for me, because the only time that I got to show off the kind of wrestling I was capable of was against him. And all of sudden it was like ‘that’s it’. It is selfish, after all the horrible stuff that happened, but that was a big part of my career gone. I couldn’t go out and do those matches anymore. Then again I put my name on YouTube the other day and there must be 10 of my matches against Benoit on there. So people are obviously watching them again. They’ve forgotten all about those horrific things and have gone back to watching the actual wrestling." Regal also talks about wrestling stars on the rise, Ric Flair, and more.

Naturally anyone in the wrestling industry not there to compete at a chance to be the very best guy on the roster, much less claim hes there to win the World Heavyweight Championship.. well, anyone who claims not to be there for such things simply does not belong. So it comes as no surprise to see William Regal exclaim his desire in becoming a World Champion.

However, based on the connection of his recent King of the Ring victory. Combined with the rumors that 'said' KOTR winner would take on the new "King" gimmick.. I think this is going to be the return of "Lord" William (formerly Steven) Regal. As such, I could see a definate run at the W.W.E. Championship.

What is everyone else's thoughts on this matter? Do you see Regal as being a credible World Heavyweight Championship contender? Do you feel he should be in the Main Event spot on Monday Night Raw? If not, why? If so, why? Explain your thoughts on anything and everything regarding William Regal and his recent (apparent) push.

[Mighty NorCal]

HA.

check out my daggone backlash thread post. Watch Cm Punk cash in MITB after the 4 way elimination match, to have a WWE championship feud with the man who beat him for KOTR. William Regal. And fuck yes Regal is credible...who is a beter heel besides maybe Edge and Umaga?? No one. and Is Umaga even really a heel still?? When Regal is gonna be in a match, you know its going to be quality, going to be entertaining. I would be ALL ABOUT a Regal title push.

[Steamboat Ricky]

^^^^^

That's why he's my tag team partner.


Honestly, what many have thought to be the biggest debacle in KOTR history could end up being just what the WWE needs. Regal, the GM of Raw who already has all of the "power" in the brand, suddenly becomes this...sort of monarch. And in doing that, Regal forms a heel stable that the WWE has been desperately trying to establish since the Corporation. Regal, being "Lord" could very well be really great. But he cannot...CANNOT be that wimpy "King" that was King Booker. That was arguably the worst gimmick ever, simply because it was at the main event level.

Lord William Regal would need to be mean, treacherous, and basically the mega-heel that he can be. Nobody draws a better heel response except for JBL, and JBL is only hated because people think he sucks. I don't think that people think Regal sucks in the ring, and if they do, they should power up the Tivo and watch Raw two weeks ago when he fought Orton. Or just look back at some of his WCW matches. The guy can wrestle and has proved that he can still do so.

Regal will obviously not be champ right away, but I would really not be surprised if we see a Triple Haitch v. Regal feud in the near future. They need to put the belt on Trips to give the belt some face credibility again. But then, Trips and Regal, perhaps two of the best story tellers in the business, could legitimately put on a feud for the ages. I would mark out so hard if this happens.

Regardless, if freaking JBL can be WWE champ for a year, then there is no reason that Regal can't be.

[mister_e]

I have to agree all though i am sticking by my fellow english man, but however i do think regal is an amazing wrestler remember him and benoit on velocity a couple of years easily the match of 2006 and it werent even on tv. i used love this man wen him and edge feuded over the IC title when he had the brass knucks. he is clearly a great heel and a great wrestler he definately deserves a push. whos going to be gm tho?

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

Questionable.

To me, I wouldn't mind Regal being in the lower realm of the main event echelon, but only if JBL is demoted. Regal is better in the ring, slightly less on the mic, but has a better physique than JBL. Still, they're too close to one another for me to want both of them in the main event, and as I think Regal is more talented, I'd rather see JBL pushed to Smackdown or ECW...as we know that he's friends with Vince which means he won't want to move down to the midcard.

If Regal is to be pushed to the main event, I think he'll probably be HHH's first opponent after he wins the title from Orton (something I'm not hoping for), then a feud with HBK possibly, and then I think honestly that he'll just find himself falling down to the Jericho/Punk/Hardy/Mysterio/Kennedy/Morrison/MVP/Shelton of the limbo between midcard and main event. I can't see Raw's main event heels consisting of only Orton, JBL, and Regal for the next year.

Everything is relative to the draft, however, in my opinion. Things can change at the drop of a hat because of that. Look at Booker. He was pretty much the biggest heel over on Smackdown, was drafted to Raw, and became absolutely nothing before he was released. The opposite (or the same) could happen to other people, changing the whole structure around. That might be damaging OR a booster to Regal being a legitimate main event heel. We'll just have to see, though.

[Harpa]

Well, like everyone I was pretty surprised when Regal won KOTR. I like the guy, and I'd love to see him in the ring again, but right then I thought "You better do something good with this, WWE", since letting Regal win over CM Punk who needs credibility right now more than ever is something they should have a damn good reason to do.

But if it leads to Regal's comeback to the ring and a shot at the title I think it's an exellent choice. Somehow Regal seems to be a very hated character, which I didn't understand because I always liked him and he "made" some good matches on Raw, but the fans kept booing the crap out of him.

So seeing such a good entertainer back in action is always a good thing, but he could probably use some change to get credibility again. After all, he's just been a manager for months, so giving him something fresh should help him (the lord-thing others have mentioned here seems pretty likely).

I wonder how he's going to fit in the title picture though.... But the WWE has improved overall lately, so I think they know where they want to go with this.

[PDecicco]

I've been a Regal fan for as long as I can remember....His matches with Finlay in WCW were great. He's a really talented guy. I even liked him when he was a Man's Man :-p

If he can get into the title picture I'm totally for it. I like the idea of CM Punk cashing in Money In The Bank and starting a program with Regal...I'd have Regal come out on top with the belt after a month or 2. Regal starts his heel stable and takes over Raw like an evil dictator. I can see him having himself as King Regal and then DH Smith as an upcoming Price Smith, turn Finlay heel and make him a rugged knight type of character, Hornswoggle could be a Court Jester. Paul Burchill and Dave Taylor could even be worked in somehow. And get a Diva to be a queen.

And you would have this mega heel stable that could hold all the titles and really get over.

And through this you could really make your next big star. Someone who could be the next Stone Cold or Rock. Just taking on all the authority figures on Raw. Regal being GM and champ really puts him in a great position to get something rolling.

I'd pick Kennedy to be the new face of the company. Somebody new who has that star attitude. CM Punk is just to boring, IMO, to be the bad ass face that's needed. amd Cena and HHH are too over to really be booked as an underdog against any of the people in that stable.

[Father:_Polley]

I don't see finlay lowering himself to be a knight 2 tournaments in a row, especially when he was the won he lost to in the process. add to that...Finlay's (Northern) Irish, and the angle they'll play is the English and Irish don't get along.
william regal is one of the few legitimate heels in the business (JBL and Edge being the others - Finlay would be if he lost the midget) and he has a knack of getting the crowd against him, effortlessly. JBL has to work at it, but regal seems as though it's effortless.

I've been saying this for a week since Regal won, but he was one of the only 2 guys (Finlay being the other), who both needed and deserved the win in KOTR. And thank you will for mentioning a point I brought up in another thread...the GM is in PERFECT position to manipulate his way into any title shot he wants. he has an entire heel half of a roster to use to take out the talent and build them up at the same time.

Could the man with royalty in his name become champ? I think he might actually be able to do it. He's got the tools, it depends on booking

[Danmen001]

Lord William Regal has a nice ring to it. Regal is obviously a great heel, people like to hate him, and he hardly uses effort to make people do so. He is a great wreslter and pretty damn good on the mic.

He is one of the best legit heels in the business and he absolutely deserved to win the KOTR and get his push. And as many have said, GM is a good position to be in to 'manipulate' and get the title.

Although I would like to see it, I don't think he will be in the title picture for a while because its stuffed up already.

[abrighterabyss]

I'm also someone that has always enjoyed Regal. I think it was smart of them to put him vs. Orton not just for the hometown pop, but to get people used to him being a serious wrestler again. Then following it up with the KOTR.

I'm actually looking forward to see what they do with the Lord Regal angle. I think really outside of Orton, and JBL there isn't really any heels that don't have a comedic slant like Santino and Carlito.

I agree also with Danmen001. I don't know about the title picture, it does seem like they're focused on other wrestlers and it's a little crowded at the moment. Who knows maybe in time, they'll shift directions.

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

I don't see finlay lowering himself to be a knight 2 tournaments in a row, especially when he was the won he lost to in the process. add to that...Finlay's (Northern) Irish, and the angle they'll play is the English and Irish don't get along.

Most of the UK doesn't get on with each other, plus we've already seen Scots and English together (McIntyre and Taylor). The fans in the US will only care if a foreigner is beating down on an American so...

I've always enjoyed Regal's work as a character but i'm not huge on his wrestling style, jus not a fan of his ground and pound style in the past. However recently he's pulled out a number of decent suplexes i.e. exploder suplex, half nelson suplex and even the belly to back suplex with the bridge he did on Orton 2 weeks ago.

Also, can you really see Regal doing well in gimmick matches? Remember the 4 way tag ladder match he was in, where he and Taylor practically did nothing? Can you honestly say right now that you'd be excited to see a HIAC w/ Regal on one side?

Would b good to see him in ME card, don't know how well it would draw overall, or what the fans reaction would b by the end. Also, can you see WWE giving an Englishman the belt?

[justinsayne]

Regal is never gonna win the WWE or WHC title, his best chance would be the ECW title, so after putting together his royal stable, which should consist of Burchill, Katie Lea, DH Smith, and just or fun throw in Umanga too, they should go over to ECW and pretty much run rum shot over the place, Regal should then feud with Punk over the MITB title shot, two good things could happen from this, a.) Punk feuds with a guy who could teach him how to wrestle the WWE style, and b.) Regal could win the MITB title shot, and then we wouldn't have to worry about seeing Punk use it (which would be a fucking ratings disaster), Regal could then go on to use the MITB title shot agaisnt Kane, after Kane finishes a match have Regal's royal family come out and further beat the shit out of him, then have Regal come out, cash in MITB and apply the Regal Stretch to a bruised, battered, and beaten Kane, Kane taps or passes out, and Regal is the new ECW champion

[TomSmithUK]

Most of the UK doesn't get on with each other, plus we've already seen Scots and English together (McIntyre and Taylor). The fans in the US will only care if a foreigner is beating down on an American so...

I've always enjoyed Regal's work as a character but i'm not huge on his wrestling style, jus not a fan of his ground and pound style in the past. However recently he's pulled out a number of decent suplexes i.e. exploder suplex, half nelson suplex and even the belly to back suplex with the bridge he did on Orton 2 weeks ago.

Also, can you really see Regal doing well in gimmick matches? Remember the 4 way tag ladder match he was in, where he and Taylor practically did nothing? Can you honestly say right now that you'd be excited to see a HIAC w/ Regal on one side?

Would b good to see him in ME card, don't know how well it would draw overall, or what the fans reaction would b by the end. Also, can you see WWE giving an Englishman the belt?

Most of the UK doesn't get along with each other?

That's either pure ignorance or pure blagging to make yourself look smart.

If you're going to drift away from Wrestling into International Politics, maybe you should actually have a clue what you're talking about

[HellBoundPower]

I would honestly like to see Regal win the WWE Title. I think it would be something fresh, and I think he could carry it well. This guy is gold on the mic, gold in the ring, and could make the Title picture interesting.Also, can you really see Regal doing well in gimmick matches? Remember the 4 way tag ladder match he was in, where he and Taylor practically did nothing? Can you honestly say right now that you'd be excited to see a HIAC w/ Regal on one side?Honestly I would. His ground and pound style, and old school smash mouth offense would be perfect for Hell in a Cell. Using the cage as a weapon, he could show how truly sadistic he really is. I think he could put on a very good showing in HIAC.

Also, the reason they didn't really do anything in the Ladder Match is because they were supposed to be scared of heights. It was just a way of throwing them in the match, but not really having them in the match.

[tbanger]

also if the storyline is that regal is in charge we would be unlikely to see gimmick matches that wouldnt favour him - or even if he did some of his stable would cheat to help him
so that would be a way to get around regal being weak in gimmick matches - if he was proven to be which im not sure he would be

im not sure abt himin general tho he might make an interesting feud

[jpfizzle]

people are talking about his stable, which he hasnt even got yet, having regal win the king of the ring was a good curveball by the WWE and if it acheives nothing else it adds another active heel to the roster. They could do a number of things with regal now, he is good enough to win the intercontinental title and is just enough of a big name to be used as a stepping stone for future main eventers such as kennedy should kennedy face turn, punk or someone else.

I think regal can be a top representatives for the brits and is truly underrated imo. I as horrified punk was going to win kotr and mitb. It will be intresting to see the next step for regal.

[Shocky]

Thank God for Lord William Regal.

Finally, a heel that could not only be a nice comedy heel, but have the inring ability to make matches worth a damn.

Honestly Regal is what Raw needs, and needs bad at this point. As said before, here you have a guy that is about as proven of a veteran as you get, will pretty much play the King role to perfection, oh and guess what, he already has all the power on the Brand. Awesome, just awesome.

We're heading into the summer months, a natural lull time for the wrestling business. Why not try something with Regal at this point? Ratings hit what, 3.0? Could they possibly get any lower. I really hope they give Regal a legit chance. He's been around forever, and is a relatively fresh face when it comes to the main event scene. He's unique enough never to get old of.

[Father:_Polley]

I personally am very interested in what they do with this because he is a very VERY talented individual and is damn funny at the same time. He lends himself to a number of rules - King, Rebel GM, in-ring talent.

As Shocky has pointed out, WWE has nothing to lose giving regal a run. if it doesn't work, well they can just play it away as being destroyed, it won't happen, but in theory, it can be explained away.

[Doug Crashin]

if Regal wasn't GM at this point I would understand why they gave the title to him....... but why did they give it to Regal anyway? Matt Hardy should've gotten it. he deserves a push. his feud with MVP has run its course.

[QUINN]

I think WWE should address him as Lord William Regal, not King, also if hes going to wrestle again then get a new g.m..
Put the Coach back, and this time make him a fan friendly g.m., why do all brands have to have a heel g.m. and have Vince be a heel? its really old.

[Sicko]

William Regal?

Seriously???

come on! it is no secret he is close with HHH, that is the reason for his very quick push, is he an outstanding heel, no question! he always been great on the mic (him saying Umanga cracks me up everytime LOL) but to go from GM to King of the Ring in one week... you talk about a rapid push my goodness

but I notice that all the people that are "liked by HHH" do get pushed as mainevent guys


I think Regal will get his Championship Push but probably will be a short one, not sure if it will be before JBL though but we shall see, maybe they are setting up HHH to put him over I don't know

[HellPaso1986]

*BACKLASH SPOILER BELOW*

The article on WWE.com about Trips winning the WWE title at Backlash is already hinting at a HHH/Regal angle and it's something I could really see working. I don't think anyone wants to see HHH/Orton AGAIN in three weeks time at JDay so setting up Regal (as has been said in this thread as an evil, vile, despicable heel Lord/GM w/ stable) and HHH would be a fantastic move. I'm still not sure that Regal would get the title but he's proven himself time and again in the WWE (and before that in WCW) to be a fantastic worker, skilled in the ring, a master of storytelling/psychology, fantastic on the stick ("I'm going to get up half an hour earlier just so I can hate you more") and an utterly believable heel. He's absolutely effortless and at the peak of his powers.
If they don't at least elevate him to Upper Card level then they've really missed a trick there

[Sicko]

every King gets a title run don't they? Booker T had a nice title run last year after winning King Of The Ring

Regal been in the business for so long and never really got that push in WCW or WWE so why not (anybody remember that Man's Man thing he tried to use when he came to the WWE years ago with the Lumberjack image LOL), his new look with the hair is much more marketable then with the clean cut Vince McMahon hair cut he use to have LOL

I never been a fan of the guy much in ECW or when he first came to the WWE, he was just so boring to me but now as a heel I think it would work and who better to put him over then his BUDDY HHH

[chrisgod]

From my point of view... I think Regal is not over enough to become WHC or WWE champ... and honestly I was a bit dissapointed with his victory in KOTR... but I've been thinking about it and we could get something HUGE, or at least entertaining if it is well worked...

What I see...

Monday Night Raw 04.28.2008 - Regal gets crowned, and gives us a looooooooooong speech about everybody not giving him a little respect, so now he is "lord Regal", he will change things... first of all showing us his court... basicaly formed by non-american guys... I think the burchill bros, tino-lito, DickHead Smith, UmaNga, maybe a super crazy heel turn as the jester (he is jobbing on heat anyways)... Then... as he has lots of power now (being King and GM)... he will conquer Raw...

So we get match #1 tino - lito vs rhodes - softcore holly (is just my imagination or they really are #1 contenders to tag team titles??) and regal makes it some sort of no DQ... then we get some help from the stable and Carlito gets the pin... the stable starts to get gold...

We may get another woman involved in here, and that one gets the title from mickie james (women's title doesn't mean anything these days anyways, so a quick reign is harmless for james) obviously with help from the stable = massive heat for regal, jobbers and midcarders become at least credible heels instead of comedy wrestlers, and more gold for the stable...

So we get more matches with heels over faces, with the help of regal's court, I can think of Burchill going over someone that people loves (where the hell is Jeff Hardy when needed, damn it!)... well maybe jericho would work...

Or... we may get some surprise turn... like Y2J joining them...

We still have a pending rematch for Orton... And Regal I supose he gets a shot at the title for being KOTR, doesn´t he??? So... There is your judgement day triple threat main event, which should be waaaaaaaaaay better than another Orton-H match, but this multiman matches become more stale each time... Then I guess H retains by pedigreeing (and) pinning Regal... and Regal, out of frustration, beats H with the help of his court... (ala Evolution style, when all PPV finishes were blood baths...) Next monday Regal says he will do anything he can to finish H's title run... mmmm... interesting... Because "well booked" we can see a new champ before night of champions PPV, I don't know... someone like Regal's protegé or his personal choice to finish H... but on the other hand and here is why I said interesting... I may think "wwe storyline" style... and we will get H burying the whole midcard by himself... becoming a fighting champion... overcoming the odds all the time, getting help from his face partners (well, just from HBK) and all my vision becomes just a "Khali post"... Huge but pretty useless...

[Father:_Polley]

every King gets a title run don't they? Booker T had a nice title run last year after winning King Of The Ring

Regal been in the business for so long and never really got that push in WCW or WWE so why not (anybody remember that Man's Man thing he tried to use when he came to the WWE years ago with the Lumberjack image LOL), his new look with the hair is much more marketable then with the clean cut Vince McMahon hair cut he use to have LOL

I never been a fan of the guy much in ECW or when he first came to the WWE, he was just so boring to me but now as a heel I think it would work and who better to put him over then his BUDDY HHH

Billy Gunn, Mabel, Ken Shamrock didn't get a title run so there's no guarantee he'll get a shot in the end. it's just a nice idea to add something completely different to the wwe title scene rather than cena/hhh/orton at every ppv.

As for his hair...I think it looks so much better. it makes him look more intimidating rather than the 'business' style cut he had going which made him look weak. the long hair gives him a more rugged look and i think makes him more credible as a king and heel.

I think the naughty one is one of the best heels wwe has at the minute, simply because american audiences dont seem to WANT to cheer for him as a face, and he's good enough on the mic to get extra hatred from the fans. it could be an interesting feud if it happens

[Capt. Charisma]

Regal could actualy be built as the Company's top heel, he has everything going for him:

-Great in-ring Technican
-Easy to hate (natural heel)
-Good on the mic
-Only just about to turn 40, but a shit load of experiance
-Still looks in decent shape, and fresh as he's not been a full time wrestler for almost a year
-And most importnatly hes friends with HHH

Ragal has unlimited potential still IMO. He has what a good 4/5 years left in him if they use him well. People always talk about the British Bulldog when they talk about British wrestlers, face it the British Bulldog was shit. Regal is a complete wrestler, the only current wrestler I consider better than him is HBK. I don't think we'll see him with the title anytime soon, and I think people are getting ahead of themselves if they think otherwise, but he could easily be built as a legit contender. I would love to see him get a world title before the end of his career, but I would be happy if they put him in a nice long IC title feud with Jericho to bring some prestiage back to the belt, and relive the awsome feud and matches they had a few years ago.

[tomaswarslowski]

This is just a thought and has no validity to it at all...

What if, as whatever they do with Regal DOES start to get watered down, they were able to bring in someone like Nigel McGuinness to take over? That guy is a magnificent worker and is one of the few guys from ROH who could step right into the WWE style of wrestling without much of a problem. He would serve as a perfect protege of Regal's, I believe, and could develop into a significant star.

Just an opinion, and no, there is nothing saying Nigel would ever be making his way to WWE, so leave out the criticisms there. Heh.

P.S. SO glad they're finally looking to push Regal.

[BrooklynBuc]

I love this.

It's about time another stable was formed. Edge and the Edgeheads with the Guerreros has run its course, but William Regal becoming king will freshen up RAW.

They've already eluded to Paul Birchill and Katie Lea having agreements with Regal (the match against Super Crazy being made a handicap match at the last minute) so they can be re-packaged as Duke Burchill (or Baron Burchill) and Lady Lea. (or something of that nature) Then, throw in D.H. Smith as a 2nd wrestler to do the dirty work, just like how Batista was for HHH. You could even throw in Lance Cade since he has nothing to do now, and you have a young stable with an experienced top contender at the top. They could even throw in The Highlanders as a heel tag team that act as mercenaries and low class help to Regal.

You even have the perfect foils to Regal's stable: Finlay (Irish vs. English, even though Belfast is part of Northern Ireland, but oh well...) and Hornswaggle, HHH (the King of Kings vs. King of the Ring again), Cryme Tyme, (class and status battle), Trevor Murdoch (same) and C.M. Punk (former opponent) to go with the budding feud with Kennedy.

[Yuffie_Kisaragi]

I love this.

It's about time another stable was formed. Edge and the Edgeheads with the Guerreros has run its course, but William Regal becoming king will freshen up RAW.

They've already eluded to Paul Birchill and Katie Lea having agreements with Regal (the match against Super Crazy being made a handicap match at the last minute) so they can be re-packaged as Duke Burchill (or Baron Burchill) and Lady Lea. (or something of that nature) Then, throw in D.H. Smith as a 2nd wrestler to do the dirty work, just like how Batista was for HHH. You could even throw in Lance Cade since he has nothing to do now, and you have a young stable with an experienced top contender at the top. They could even throw in The Highlanders as a heel tag team that act as mercenaries and low class help to Regal.

You even have the perfect foils to Regal's stable: Finlay (Irish vs. English, even though Belfast is part of Northern Ireland, but oh well...) and Hornswaggle, HHH (the King of Kings vs. King of the Ring again), Cryme Tyme, (class and status battle), Trevor Murdoch (same) and C.M. Punk (former opponent) to go with the budding feud with Kennedy.



I like the idea of a stable with Cade, Burchill, Katie Lea and Smith though I hope Regal doesnt become a cowardly king like Booker.


Regals push has been awesome so far. He been shown as opportunistic (taking a part Finlays knee) a bully (beating on Hornswaggle) crafty (fixing the kotr so he had an easy route), a good wrestler (beating Punk and Finlay cleanly) and now a prick by cutting off Raw during a good title match.

Regals on the way to becoming the major heel in the WWE.

[Skullz Crack'Em]

Right now, it looks like Regal has begun a feud with Kennedy, and at Judgement Day they will probably fight over who should be KOTR, with Kennedy winning like everybody expected all along. It makes sense actually, Regal pisses everybody off by winning KOTR and then cuts RAW off during a big WWE title match, Kennedy stands up to Regal and takes his KOTR position at Judgement Day and he should be fully over with the fans as a face. This was probably WWE's plan all this time, because even though Regal is a great worker all around, who seriously saw him as a future WWE Champion? I didn't, maybe an ECW Champion, but that is as far as Vince will push him.

As for Regal having a stable with the likes of Burchill, Katie Lea, Lance Cade and D.H. Smith, I think it is a great idea, but is Regal a big enough superstar to handle a stable? Usually the traditional stable would go like this: Leader hunts for the WWE title, one member hunts for the I.C. title with the other two to go after the tag titles and the diva going after the Womens' title. Like I previously said, there is not a very good chance that Regal will go after the WWE title, let alone win it, so I don't see the point of him having a stable because it will only end up being as bad as the Edgeheads IMO.

[Lil Wes]

LMFAO at the British trying to claim their hero can be a world champion. Not happen fella's, his time was up along time ago, although I don't think there was ever a time to begin with. He's a great mic worker, and a good heel (not the best or even top 3, that was a crock of shit), but he's a midcarder for life. WWE should keep using him as an on screen character in the GM role like the higher authority thing they have going now, then more of an in ring worker.

I love the Kennedy feud, the hate for Regal is going to elevate Kennedy as a face, with obviously Kennedy winning the feud in the end to push him onto bigger things which should be Regal's purpose, not winning titles.

If there was a stable, personally, I'd love it. Kennedy vs all of these British punks would be classic stuff and a big boost to the mid card.

Now, would it happen or will it? No. WWE isn't that smart. But it would be cool.

[Mighty NorCal]

Now THAT sir is a fuckin fantastic idea. You want to get someone over as a face, have Kennedy representing the good ol stars and stripes. He is from an extremely american city (green bay wisconsin). Dont make him TOO clean cut reppin america, but make it a little part of it.

Sadly though, I see regal going over in this. A Regal-Trips feud for the belt can be forseen three million miles away right now, honestly. "king regal" and him being an asshole GM. Its begging for Trips to become involved, really.

[TheOneBigWill]

Sorry Wes, I have to agree with NorCal on this one. I've been pushing for William Regal to get a solid run out of this thing from the very beginning.

Mr. Kennedy screwed himself, (again) by becoming a face in this feud. Yes, he'll get an unbelieveable run at the top in due time.. but in all likelyhood you & I both know William Regal will win in the end, and quite possibly because of Paul Burchill.. setting up a Kennedy v. Burchill feud, which Kennedy can then win.

In the end, if William Regal somehow gains the W.W.E. Championship, then and only then should you thank God and anyone else involved with storylines.. because Kennedy would suddenly become the guy first in line to take it from him.

Kennedy will NEVER be the guy taking the Championship off of Triple H. Not while both are face, and definately not while Triple H. is heel. Kennedy's ONLY hope for the immediate future is to actually drop a match to Regal (in heelish fashion, by Regal cheating) only to gain a title shot off Regal later.

[Lil Wes]

You guys posts are extremly laughable. Why you people think Regal is getting a push to the top is mind boggling.

Sorry Wes, I have to agree with NorCal on this one. I've been pushing for William Regal to get a solid run out of this thing from the very beginning.

WHo gives a fuck?

This is WWE here, they don't give a damn about what you want. Regal probably won't get a solid run out of anything other than elevating a talent through a feud. If it even happens. Regal is a far better on screen character than competitor, and apparently WWE agrees, or wouldn't he have been singles wrestling for awhile now?

Mr. Kennedy screwed himself, (again) by becoming a face in this feud.

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

Possibly the dumbest thing I've heard in my 9 months on the forum. Extremely laughable.

McMahon himself has been a backer of Kennedy. He was popular as a heel, and now that he's the face, it'll just grow. Plus, McMahon has been opened to NEW IDEA's. How could you possibly think this wasn't one of them?

Perfect face turn, at the perfect time. He gets a good while to build, before going to that next level. What they may be, we'll see.


Yes, he'll get an unbelieveable run at the top in due time.. but in all likelyhood you & I both know William Regal will win in the end,

No, I don't.

That's just fucking hysterical Will. Hysterical.

Regal is going nowhere, never has, never will. He's nothing more than a pedestal for Kennedy. WWE loves the faces, you know this Will.

Read Skullz' post on the matter of why Regal won, and how this sets up. He explained perfectly. This was probably the plan the whole time.

This was probably WWE's plan all this time, because even though Regal is a great worker all around, who seriously saw him as a future WWE Champion? I didn't, maybe an ECW Champion, but that is as far as Vince will push him.

and quite possibly because of Paul Burchill.. setting up a Kennedy v. Burchill feud, which Kennedy can then win.

That will likely be a match on RAW for the next few weeks. Not a feud.


In the end, if William Regal somehow gains the W.W.E. Championship

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even saying that doesn't sound right. Not happening. Your dreaming.

then and only then should you thank God and anyone else involved with storylines

What? I should Thank God and WWE for butchering a perfect opportunity to use a good heel in Regal to bring Kennedy to that next level that everyone has been waiting for?

Makes no sense Will. Come on now.

because Kennedy would suddenly become the guy first in line to take it from him.

No, Kennedy won't take anything from Regal. It will be someone else, a few feuds after Regal.

Kennedy will NEVER be the guy taking the Championship off of Triple H.

Triple H will be the guy to put over Kennedy on a big stage most likely. Probably Mania.

Just like he has everyone else. Title or no title.


Not while both are face, and definately not while Triple H. is heel.

Definitely when HHH is heel.

You seem to be forgetting Vince ejaculating over this feud last year. It's bound to happen.

Kennedy's ONLY hope for the immediate future is to actually drop a match to Regal (in heelish fashion, by Regal cheating)

You got that backwards. Regal's only shot at becoming anything relevant in the title scene would be to go over Kennedy in this feud.

only to gain a title shot off Regal later.

:lmao:

This is WWE. Your forgetting that.

[TheOneBigWill]

This is WWE here, they don't give a damn about what you want. Regal probably won't get a solid run out of anything other than elevating a talent through a feud. If it even happens. Regal is a far better on screen character than competitor, and apparently WWE agrees, or wouldn't he have been singles wrestling for awhile now?

Read what you write, Wes. This IS W.W.E. we're talking about. So if they don't give a damn about what "I" want, why do you think for one second they'd give a damn about what "you'd" want? Because you're you, and I'm me? Please.. thats pathetic and you know it.

I admit William Regal doesn't have Main Event written all over him, but look at whats happening in the W.W.E. right now, Wes. Shocking events are unfolding. "Anything" is happening. Remember that slogan? I hope you do.. because its about to slap you across your face.

Possibly the dumbest thing I've heard in my 9 months on the forum. Extremely laughable.

McMahon himself has been a backer of Kennedy. He was popular as a heel, and now that he's the face, it'll just grow. Plus, McMahon has been opened to NEW IDEA's. How could you possibly think this wasn't one of them?

Mr. Kennedy turning face was a good idea. Just not for Kennedy to suddenly get a Main Event Championship push for, short of someone like William Regal, or J.B.L. winning the Championship off Triple H.

So tell me.. how do you expect a face, to win a Championship off an even bigger face? Kennedy might be high-up on McMahon's list.. but the list of errors from his past aren't forgettable. Kennedy will start at the lowest "bright spot" on the card.. a feud with Regal.. and he'll "earn" his way back to the top.

McMahon will only make people like you believe Kennedy's back on track, when the realism is.. hes quite possibility the furthest Championship contender away from that title.

Perfect face turn, at the perfect time. He gets a good while to build, before going to that next level. What they may be, we'll see.

Exactly. Which means they turned him face, to get the fans back under him. Look at the facts Wes.. when he jumped to Raw as a heel, then got caught up in a ton of shit.. people just stopped caring for him.

So how do you suddenly get people to like him? You turn him face, and have him go up against one of the biggest heels on the brand. Kennedy is starting at the bottom, and working his way out. This shit won't happen over night Wes. You thinking hes just gonna walk over Regal like Regal's nothing is naive.

Regal is going nowhere, never has, never will. He's nothing more than a pedestal for Kennedy. WWE loves the faces, you know this Will.

Yeah, they love faces sooooo much, thats why guys like Edge, Randy Orton and Triple H. have had such dominating Championship reigns as heels.. yet such great face careers :rolleyes: The only "face" they've ever loved, was Hulk Hogan, and John Cena. Kennedy is far from either.

That will likely be a match on RAW for the next few weeks. Not a feud.

Maybe so.. depends on how they build Regal, and whether they give him Burchill as an under-study.. again.

Even saying that doesn't sound right. Not happening. Your dreaming.

Then sig it. Seriously, because I'm saying this right now. William Regal will do one of two things.

1. Be the guy who defeats and takes the Championship off of Triple H.

2. Has a Summerslam/Main Event Pay Per View push against Triple H. for the Championship, after going over guys like Kennedy by using heel tactics.

What? I should Thank God and WWE for butchering a perfect opportunity to use a good heel in Regal to bring Kennedy to that next level that everyone has been waiting for?

What next level? Regal WILL take Kennedy to the next level, but it isn't to the W.W.E. Championship. So what "Level" is it that you see?

Triple H will be the guy to put over Kennedy on a big stage most likely. Probably Mania.

Just like he has everyone else. Title or no title.

Your passion for Mr. Kennedy defeating Triple H. at Wrestlemania is about as huge as mine for Carolina winning a Superbowl. Its a great dream, but its yet to be clearly seen. And it most likely won't happen this up-coming year. :lmao:

Definitely when HHH is heel.

You seem to be forgetting Vince ejaculating over this feud last year. It's bound to happen.

Uhm.. last time this feud was questioned, Kennedy would've been playing the heel "bastard son" against Triple H., who pulled the prank on McMahon in the first place.

You got that backwards. Regal's only shot at becoming anything relevant in the title scene would be to go over Kennedy in this feud.

EXACTLY! William Regal defeats Mr. Kennedy, in a heelish fashion.. and gains a Championship match, and the "upper spot" while Kennedy slowly builds to fighting off the guys held responsible for Regal winning. (If any are involved)

You said yourself you couldn't believe Regal won King of the Ring. Why do you think he did it? They had Regal basically destroy Punk, the MITB winner. Kennedy was last year's MITB choice.. hes "last year's choice" Wes.. So what do you think Regal is being built to do, against a HUGE Mr. Kennedy, who just returned and everyone assumes will easily walk over Regal?

This is Regal's FIRST big feud, since taking on the "Lord" gimmick. You think hes just gonna lay down in his first big feud? hahahaha Now THAT.. THAT.. is hysterical.

[Lil Wes]

Read what you write, Wes. This IS W.W.E. we're talking about. So if they don't give a damn about what "I" want, why do you think for one second they'd give a damn about what "you'd" want?

Because what I want is the obvious trend WWE has been going by for the whole Cena era.

Regal's been a midcarder for life, that won't change now and being a heel doesn't help him at all.

Because you're you, and I'm me? Please.. thats pathetic and you know it.

I just explained.


Owned again.

I admit William Regal doesn't have Main Event written all over him,

Which is why he won't go there. Stepping stool heel with alot of heat for Kennedy to basically PWN. That's it.

but look at whats happening in the W.W.E. right now, Wes. Shocking events are unfolding.

Like Kennedy turning face which will lead popularity soar for him most likely.

"Anything" is happening. Remember that slogan? I hope you do.. because its about to slap you across your face.

:lmao:

You'll see Will. You just don't understand the trend. Your a mark for Regal. Plain and simple.

Mr. Kennedy turning face was a good idea. Just not for Kennedy to suddenly get a Main Event Championship push for,

He won't.

I never said that. He'll be built up for awhile. Through the mid-card ranked feuds. Regal is step #1.

short of someone like William Regal,

Regal's 40. A great on screen character and has been a mid carder for his entire career. That's not changing.

Kennedy on the other hand, has ALL the tools to become a big star. Which is what could be blooming.

or J.B.L. winning the Championship off Triple H.

None of these guys will take the title off HHH.

It will probably be Cena. It depends on the length of the reign really.

So tell me.. how do you expect a face, to win a Championship off an even bigger face?

Where the fuck did I say that? Your putting words into my mouth. Terrible tactic that will backfire on your ass, here....

Possibly the dumbest thing I've heard in my 9 months on the forum. Extremely laughable.

McMahon himself has been a backer of Kennedy. He was popular as a heel, and now that he's the face, it'll just grow. Plus, McMahon has been opened to NEW IDEA's. How could you possibly think this wasn't one of them?

Where did I ever say Kennedy would take the title as a face, off HHH as a face? I didn't. Nice try ;)


Kennedy might be high-up on McMahon's list.. but the list of errors from his past aren't forgettable.

ROFLREIROFLROFLERERFFOPLE0REPLFF!!!!

Regal has had a past too, in fact, he was suspended at the same time as Kennedy. Again Will, you've got to do better than this.

Those errors were paid for when jobbing to Hardy and losing a push in which had him main eventing Wrestlemania.

Kennedy will start at the lowest "bright spot" on the card

Lowest? Please tell me who is higher in the mid card besides Jericho.

Keep in mind, JBL, Cena, HBK and those guys are main eventers.

a feud with Regal.. and he'll "earn" his way back to the top.

He's already earned a push by keeping clean. Hence why he could be beginning a push now.

McMahon will only make people like you believe Kennedy's back on track, when the realism is.. hes quite possibility the furthest Championship contender away from that title.

Laughable.

So when Hardy got suspended once, then came back and won the IC title, he was far away?

Same with Orton?

Exactly. Which means they turned him face, to get the fans back under him.

Some have always been under him. Not the marky women and children, which will now.

Look at the facts Wes.. when he jumped to Raw as a heel, then got caught up in a ton of shit.. people just stopped caring for him.

:rolleyes:

Yet he was still getting cheered as a heel, and still drawing heat.

Either way, that's in the past and he's came off a break, to a push (most likely) so what does that matter anymore? He got a huge pop on RAW, and the fans were behind him, and pulled the turn off perfectly.

So how do you suddenly get people to like him? You turn him face, and have him go up against one of the biggest heels on the brand.

Why are you telling me stuff, I myself have said 1000000 times?

Kennedy is starting at the bottom, and working his way out.

Wrong again.

Kennedy is starting in the mid-card, working his way up.

This shit won't happen over night Wes.

Who said it would? Yet again, putting words into my mouth.

Your losing, so you resort to that tactic? Seriously?

For fuck's sake you just BOLDED WHAT I SAID!

He gets a good while to build, before going to that next level.

I've been saying in every goddamn thread on this forum that they are possibly going to BUILD Kennedy up.

You thinking hes just gonna walk over Regal like Regal's nothing is naive.

No, he's going to feud with him and win in the end. Making Regal a pedestal for him on his rise through the ranks.


Yeah, they love faces sooooo much, thats why guys like Edge, Randy Orton and Triple H. have had such dominating Championship reigns as heels

Triple H - 3 years ago.

Randy Orton - Only because Cena was injured.

Edge - Built up just for Taker to go over him and gets his long reign.

The only "face" they've ever loved, was Hulk Hogan, and John Cena. Kennedy is far from either.

Never did I compare them too those guys.

If you watch WWE, you know the faces win the majority of the time. Common sense, I'm not going to draw you up a graph.


Maybe so.. depends on how they build Regal, and whether they give him Burchill as an under-study.. again.

No, Regal will most likely tell Kennedy backstage next week his opponent "fa tonight" is Paul Burchill.

So yeah...

1. Be the guy who defeats and takes the Championship off of Triple H.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA HAHAHA!!!!!


ROFL, SOMEONE STOP THE MOTHERFUCKING LAUGHTER!

No, he won't. Midcarder for life. JBL would even be more likely.

2. Has a Summerslam/Main Event Pay Per View push against Triple H.

No, That will be Cena vs Triple H 2

or Jeff Hardy.

SummerSlam needs draws in the main event, not on screen characters.

for the Championship, after going over guys like Kennedy by using heel tactics.

Lawlz. Once again, Regal is a stepping stone.

What next level?

Of popularity, and ranking.


Regal WILL take Kennedy to the next level, but it isn't to the W.W.E. Championship.

Well no shit. That's what I've been saying.

So what "Level" is it that you see?

Of popularity, and ranking.

Your passion for Mr. Kennedy defeating Triple H. at Wrestlemania is about as huge as mine for Carolina winning a Superbowl.

I have no passion, and not even sure it will happen. It might, HHH has done it with....

Cena and Batista. He could with Kennedy, he certainly has the potential.

Its a great dream, but its yet to be clearly seen. And it most likely won't happen this up-coming year.

LOL.

You do realize that the main event for WM 24, was planned to be Mr Kennedy vs Triple H for the WWE championship right? And that Mr McMahon was ready for Kennedy to become a star as a heel at the time.

That will eventually come back around at the right time, and Kennedy has a full 11 months to build up as a FACE this time, which works to his benefit.

I'm not saying it's going to happen, but I damn sure can see it, if Kennedy takes off like I expect.

Uhm.. last time this feud was questioned, Kennedy would've been playing the heel "bastard son" against Triple H., who pulled the prank on McMahon in the first place.

Yup.

EXACTLY! William Regal defeats Mr. Kennedy, in a heelish fashion..

Which may happen once, but he won't win in the end is my whole point.

and gains a Championship match,

No. That's rushing things, and you say I expect things overnight ROFL!

and the "upper spot" while Kennedy slowly builds to fighting off the guys held responsible for Regal winning. (If any are involved)

This will happen to build up the PPV matches.

You said yourself you couldn't believe Regal won King of the Ring.

Because it was stupid and mindless.

Why do you think he did it?

Now? To elevate a face in a lengthy feud.

They had Regal basically destroy Punk, the MITB winner.

For more build, and heat.

Kennedy was last year's MITB choice.. hes "last year's choice" Wes

I know. I'm not Brian Becker.

So what do you think Regal is being built to do

As a strong heel for Mr Kennedy to eventually go over with a boost of momentum from the feud.

against a HUGE Mr. Kennedy, who just returned and everyone assumes will easily walk over Regal?

He won't easily. I know I sound that way, but it isn't what I'm meaning.

What I'm meaning is he will eventually go over after a lengthy feud.

This is Regal's FIRST big feud, since taking on the "Lord" gimmick.

Regal has the same gimmick as he's always had. Now with more "authority".

You think hes just gonna lay down in his first big feud?

No, read my last post.

hahahaha Now THAT.. THAT.. is hysterical.

Your misinterpretation and horrendous debate tactics are hysterically......Bad.

[Yuffie_Kisaragi]

I cant see Regal losing the feud with Kennedy myself...if he did it would just be a big waste of time him winning kotr and cutting off Raw. I do think Kennedy will come out of it looking strong though. I can see Regal putting Kennedy in a series of difficult matchs like he did when he feuded with Y2J as commisioner.

I also think Kennedy will end up going to Smackdown after his feud with Regal to feud against Edge.

[Lil Wes]

I cant see Regal losing the feud with Kennedy myself...if he did it would just be a big waste of time him winning kotr and cutting off Raw.

So building a heel's heat and hate, for a face to eventually go over in the end is a waste of time?

Then what is the point of Taker vs Edge? Or even HHH vs Orton?

I do think Kennedy will come out of it looking strong though.

So will Regal. Regardless of losing.

I can see Regal putting Kennedy in a series of difficult matchs like he did when he feuded with Y2J as commisioner.

Yup, most likely.

A couple of gimmicks too with One Night Stand coming up. They could be good.

I also think Kennedy will end up going to Smackdown after his feud with Regal to feud against Edge.

No need for him to go to Smackdown now. You drafted him over to the top brand for the big push, now that he could be starting it. Give him the ball and let him run.

[TheOneBigWill]

Okay, I'm not running down requoting ALL of that.. because I'm not spending my entire day firing back at each little thing. So you win on that aspect of it. However these are the valid points I'm making.

1. William Regal is being pushed. To put Mr. Kennedy over or not, I personally feel its for something more. Kennedy won't be hurt in losing and falling out of this feud as such. In the long run of things, Regal will drop to Kennedy.. it just won't, or rather shouldn't happen immediately.

Regal needs to get the first victory over Kennedy, likely at Judgment Day. From there, if they have a direct Pay Per View rematch.. it'll be Kennedy winning and advancing, otherwise, it'll be Kennedy moving on to feud with a (by that time) heel Chris Jericho. William Regal will since then move on to begin a longer program with Triple H., over the World Championship. At which point, it can come full circle when Kennedy is ready for the Main Event spot.

I'm NOT saying William Regal is ready for it. Regal would at that point be a stepping stone/hand off guy.. but the point is, Kennedy needs a hand-off guy, before he can ever take the Championship. Regal's that guy.

2. You're saying top of the midcard isn't the "bottom" for Kennedy. But at the same time, you've said it was just a little under a year back that all these huge Main Event/Wrestlemania 24 plans were for Mr. Kennedy to take the Championship off Triple H.

I'm sorry, but I'd say if Kennedy was ever meant to be a Main Eventer, much less headline, defeat Triple H., and win a World Championship at a Mania.. then dropping all the way back down to "midcarder" is "bottom of the bucket" for Mr. Kennedy.

3. I'm not rushing Regal into the World title picture intentionally. But thats how W.W.E. most often works. They push for what they want, in a hurry. William Regal can defeat Kennedy at Judgment Day, then either continue the program with him until around the Great American Bash/Vengeance, at which point he can switch focus to Triple H. and slowly begin making his life a living hell.

Regal may not directly up-front challenge Triple H. for the Championship, but I hardly see H.H.H. holding it beyond SummerSlam. Infact, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Regal's time came at The "Great American Bash" so Regal can use the term of the p.p.v. against Trips.

All of this could lead full circle to Kennedy getting a shot at either Survivor Series, or even being the golden boy of the Royal Rumble. Mind you, I don't see Regal Main Eventing Mania.. EVER.. but I do see Kennedy as being a heavy favorite (barring screw-ups) to win the Rumble.

4. Mr. Kennedy as a face is EXACTLY what he needs. And it goes back to me saying what I did before. A lot of Kennedy's "steam" went out from the mistakes, screw-ups, and paybacks that he had. He wasn't ready for a Raw spot because creative didn't know how to use him.

Someone finally got their head out of their ass on creative and thought up him returning as a face.. and feuding with a newly badass heel version of William Regal. The only thing that needs to happen now, is Kennedy to show up with some wrestling talent in a match against one of the only ring generals left in today's industry.

5. Answer me this. You claim Kennedy would go over Regal to gain popularity and ranking. But you also claim Regal is a midcarder and will never be anything important. Yet, you ALSO claim Kennedy was a former Main Event spot holder..

If all of this is true, then how would Regal losing to Kennedy, push Kennedy at all? Wouldn't Regal gain so much more heel heat and momentum off of defeating a "young buck" in Mr. Kennedy, proving that hes still got something and instead of Kennedy using Regal.. instead its Regal using Kennedy?

That, connected with the fact that W.W.E. seems to always love "vets" going over "rookies" seems to work well.

[Lil Wes]

Okay, I'm not running down requoting ALL of that.. because I'm not spending my entire day firing back at each little thing. So you win on that aspect of it. However these are the valid points I'm making.

And I'll address my disagreement. As usual.

1. William Regal is being pushed. To put Mr. Kennedy over or not,

They both will gain from it, the winner more, which like I've said, will most likely be Kennedy.

Kennedy won't be hurt in losing and falling out of this feud as such. In the long run of things, Regal will drop to Kennedy.. it just won't, or rather shouldn't happen immediately.

Never said it should have. Hence:

Lengthy feud.

Regal needs to get the first victory over Kennedy, likely at Judgment Day.

No, that should be a no contest.

From there, if they have a direct Pay Per View rematch.. it'll be Kennedy winning and advancing, otherwise, it'll be Kennedy moving on to feud with a (by that time) heel Chris Jericho. William Regal will since then move on to begin a longer program with Triple H., over the World Championship. At which point, it can come full circle when Kennedy is ready for the Main Event spot.

I don't have time for Book This!

*Moves onto valid discussion*

I'm NOT saying William Regal is ready for it. Regal would at that point be a stepping stone/hand off guy.. but the point is, Kennedy needs a hand-off guy, before he can ever take the Championship. Regal's that guy.

I'm confused.

Are you saying Regal's a more valid option for a title push? If so that's laughable.

Regal is a stepping stone. Like I've said, and explained countless times.

2. You're saying top of the midcard isn't the "bottom" for Kennedy.

Kennedy isn't at the bottom and neither is Regal. They are in the mid card. Burchill, Holly, Cody, Umaga, Carlito and Santino are bottom dwellers.


But at the same time, you've said it was just a little under a year back that all these huge Main Event/Wrestlemania 24 plans were for Mr. Kennedy to take the Championship off Triple H.

That doesn't mean he's at the bottom at the moment though.

That means, he got in trouble, and paid the price, but he isn't at the bottom anymore. He was when jobbing to Jeff Hardy and Super Crazy.

I'm sorry, but I'd say if Kennedy was ever meant to be a Main Eventer, much less headline, defeat Triple H., and win a World Championship at a Mania.. then dropping all the way back down to "midcarder" is "bottom of the bucket" for Mr. Kennedy.

He did drop in stock but the point is, he's starting to pick up and did during the HBK feud, which is why going over Regal in a lengthy feud makes sense to push it further, only this time as a face, which works to his benefit.

3. I'm not rushing Regal into the World title picture intentionally. But thats how W.W.E. most often works. They push for what they want, in a hurry.

And they don't want Regal. That's obvious. They never have and have been pushing for Kennedy for a year now, and obviously will continue to since they just turned him face.

William Regal can defeat Kennedy at Judgment Day, then either continue the program with him until around the Great American Bash/Vengeance, at which point he can switch focus to Triple H. and slowly begin making his life a living hell.

Regal will never feud with HHH. End of story.

but I do see Kennedy as being a heavy favorite (barring screw-ups) to win the Rumble.

Agreed.

4. Mr. Kennedy as a face is EXACTLY what he needs.

Hmmm. Hypocritical much?

Mr. Kennedy screwed himself, (again) by becoming a face in this feud.

Hmmm???

Someone finally got their head out of their ass on creative and thought up him returning as a face.. and feuding with a newly badass heel version of William Regal.

Regal is the same Regal he always was. Only now with more "authority".

The only thing that needs to happen now, is Kennedy to show up with some wrestling talent in a match against one of the only ring generals left in today's industry.

Casual fans don't give a shit how good a wrestler wrestles, so that's out the window.

Kennedy has always been an average wrestler anyway, and average has been proven to get by with all of WWE's major stars. So no problems there.

5. Answer me this. You claim Kennedy would go over Regal to gain popularity and ranking.

It would. Regal's hated by the fans, therefore getting people behind Kennedy, plus if Kennedy goes over, he carries momentum and popularity onto a new feud/level.

But you also claim Regal is a midcarder and will never be anything important.

He won't be.

For example, He's Owen Hart to Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Yet, you ALSO claim Kennedy was a former Main Event spot holder..

He was on Smackdown! Yes.


If all of this is true, then how would Regal losing to Kennedy, push Kennedy at all?

I explained 2 paragraphs above.

Wouldn't Regal gain so much more heel heat and momentum off of defeating a "young buck" in Mr. Kennedy,

No, Regal is in the process of doing that now, and will continue to do so in the feud before eventually falling to the greatness that is Mr Kennedy....



....Kennedyyyy.

proving that hes still got something and instead of Kennedy using Regal.. instead its Regal using Kennedy?

They both benefit from the feud. It's just the winner, will gain more.

That, connected with the fact that W.W.E. seems to always love "vets" going over "rookies" seems to work well.

Not mid carders.

I'm thinking WWE is looking to find it's next star. Vince is open to ideas, I'm thinking this was one he pulled the trigger on.

[Hillman]

Why would WWE give Regal the King of the Ring, a prestigious tournament, crown if they just want him to job?

And if they want to push Kennedy really hard, why not just have him win MITB for the second time in a row, which would give him the credibility than HBK had when he won two rumbles in a row?

Giving the King of the Ring title to a jobber doesn't make sense, hence I believe Regal is getting a push more than Kennedy is.

[Lil Wes]

*sigh*

Why would WWE give Regal the King of the Ring, a prestigious tournament, crown if they just want him to job?

Prestigious? Mega ROFLZ0R.

A last second decision perhaps? To build up a good heel more to eventually put over a promising star in a lengthy feud? Fuck me Wes, I don't know.

And if they want to push Kennedy really hard, why not just have him win MITB for the second time in a row,

Because they have faith in Punk. Why? Don't ask me.

which would give him the credibility than HBK had when he won two rumbles in a row?

Lawlz.

Not really. A HISTORIC Rumble win = Main eventing Mania.

MITB = Elevating a young star.

Therefore, Rumble > MITB.

Giving the King of the Ring title to a jobber doesn't make sense

So Triple H is a jobber for losing in lengthy feuds with Batista, Benoit and John Cena by your logic?

If he was to lose in a feud with Kennedy, that doesn't make him a jobber for christ's sake. Do you people even know what a jobber is? Tommy Dreamer is the true definition of a jobber.

hence I believe Regal is getting a push more than Kennedy is.

Doubtful.

Why sit Kennedy out of winning the KOTR and give it to Regal, when your going to come back around, turn a popular Kennedy face and start a feud? This all points toward Regal being a step through the ranks for Kennedy.

[TheOneBigWill]

They both will gain from it, the winner more, which like I've said, will most likely be Kennedy.

The only sense it makes for Mr. Kennedy to defeat William Regal now, is for them to flush away a King of the Ring tournament, monthes of planning, and a huge return.. all for Kennedy to defeat Regal. :disappointed:

I just don't see it happening. Kennedy won't come out on the losing end overall, but he certainly won't win the majority of the mini-battles in between the war.

I'm confused.

Are you saying Regal's a more valid option for a title push? If so that's laughable.

Regal is a stepping stone. Like I've said, and explained countless times.

You're answering your own questions on why Regal will get pushed over Kennedy. Regal is a vet, always been a midcarder, never been looked at as truly anything more.

W.W.E. might be giving Regal one last run, maybe not the exact same, but pretty similar to Ric Flair. If thats the case, Kennedy will become the stepping stone. After all, the younger guy can lose and not worry about anything, as hes still got years ahead of him. However, if they are indeed pushing Regal.. he can only win to elevate his standing. A loss after taking on his gimmick so soon, is the worse thing that could happen. And pointless too.

Kennedy isn't at the bottom and neither is Regal. They are in the mid card. Burchill, Holly, Cody, Umaga, Carlito and Santino are bottom dwellers.

LOL Umaga isn't a bottom dweller, hes currently stuck in the hell Mr. Kennedy was stuck in for so long during his first few monthes on Raw. They don't know what to do with the talent staring them in the face.

Burchill is much the same. They try to market him, but people don't know him, and they don't push him strong enough for people to care.

That doesn't mean he's at the bottom at the moment though.

That means, he got in trouble, and paid the price, but he isn't at the bottom anymore. He was when jobbing to Jeff Hardy and Super Crazy.

I'll admit he was more at the bottom while jobbing to Super Crazy than he is now. But hes still just starting that long journey back to being a Super-star.

He did drop in stock but the point is, he's starting to pick up and did during the HBK feud, which is why going over Regal in a lengthy feud makes sense to push it further, only this time as a face, which works to his benefit.

Like I said before, being a face right now is the best (and worst = explain it later) thing that could've happened to him.

Its the best because he'll get the fan base back that he had while on Smackdown. He'll get a huge following behind him, which is what he needs to become something.

Its the worst thing for him, however, for this feud as he doesn't need to "win" to get the fans to get behind him. Faces lose mini-battles all the time, before winning ONE match.. out of dozens.. so ultimately, Kennedy might very well drop several matches to Regal, pushing Regal to the moon.. before Kennedy wins one match in the end, making them equal again.

Kennedy's going to be the guy to help Regal, not the other way around.

And they don't want Regal. That's obvious. They never have and have been pushing for Kennedy for a year now, and obviously will continue to since they just turned him face.

Long term, no. Short-mid term, yes. They wouldn't of given Regal the huge boost of winning the King of the Ring tournament had they not had plans on pushing William Regal as something moderately great.

Regal will never feud with HHH. End of story.

What are you gonna do when it happens later this year? Because it will, I'm more sure of this than Kennedy being in any Wrestlemania Main Event.

Hmmm. Hypocritical much?



Hmmm???

I explained the good and bad situation in a post above.

Good: The fans get behind him quicker.

Bad: The faces lose more than they win, to draw more sympathy from the fans. Which means.. Regal will go over Kennedy, for the millions of newly made Kennedy fans to suddenly cry "Regal screwed him" which will be true.. giving Regal a World Championship push in the process, from all the extra heat Kennedy's sympathy loss will create for him.

Regal is the same Regal he always was. Only now with more "authority".

And that doesn't make you think for a second they'd suddenly give him an above average push? The guy just took over not only the G.M. position on Raw.. but the newly found title of "King of the W.W.E."

Casual fans don't give a shit how good a wrestler wrestles, so that's out the window.

Kennedy has always been an average wrestler anyway, and average has been proven to get by with all of WWE's major stars. So no problems there.

Its not exactly about being the best, or even great. Its about not being boring. Fans never enjoyed watching Regal, because while he was technically great.. he was entertainingly boring.

Kennedy is the opposite. Which means.. Regal will teach Kennedy to be more well rounded, in classic wrestling matches.. while Kennedy will control the crowd's cheering for him/booing for Regal, which will help people to see Regal as someone they'd love to hate.

It would. Regal's hated by the fans, therefore getting people behind Kennedy, plus if Kennedy goes over, he carries momentum and popularity onto a new feud/level.

If Kennedy loses, he carries sympathy & popularity onto a new feud.

If Regal wins, he carries even more hatred and bigger heat.

They both win, with Kennedy losing.

He won't be.

For example, He's Owen Hart to Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Owen won a Championship that Austin later took from him.

So by this logic, Regal will take the World Championship, and Kennedy would take it off him. I agree.

They both benefit from the feud. It's just the winner, will gain more.

Exactly. They both benefit and win, from Kennedy losing. Just like I said earlier.

Only Kennedy's benefits from winning. As it'll drown Regal back into being "nothing" with a "crown." However, if Regal wins.. it'll elevate him into Super-stardom, by beating a somewhat big name.

[Lil Wes]

The only sense it makes for Mr. Kennedy to defeat William Regal now, is for them to flush away a King of the Ring tournament, monthes of planning, and a huge return

You guys treat the KOTR like it's some sort of gem, when it isn't.

Months of planning? WTF seriously? What they did 2 weeks ago looked like months of planning? Looked half assed thrown together to me.

Huge return of who or what? Kennedy or KOTR? Kennedy was gone all of 3 weeks. That's not a big return, and the KOTR is a pile of shit, always has been.


.. all for Kennedy to defeat Regal. :disappointed:

Yup. Gotta build those stars.

I just don't see it happening. Kennedy won't come out on the losing end overall, but he certainly won't win the majority of the mini-battles in between the war.

Of course not, your finally learning. Those mini battles build up the story of the heel/face match. The heel will always get some sort of an advantage but in the end, the face will prevail.

*clap clap*

Bravo Will.

Regal is a vet, always been a midcarder, never been looked at as truly anything more.

Amen to that.

W.W.E. might be giving Regal one last run,

:lmao:

Why would they risk this when it never worked to begin with?

If thats the case, Kennedy will become the stepping stone.

No, he wouldn't. You don't turn a popular tweener face and then let him lose all of his momentum and popularity to a midcarder for life heel.

After all, the younger guy can lose and not worry about anything, as hes still got years ahead of him.

When your midcard is in code red. It's time to fix it. Kennedy is that fix.

However, if they are indeed pushing Regal.. he can only win to elevate his standing. A loss after taking on his gimmick so soon, is the worse thing that could happen. And pointless too.

It's not pointless at all. He would be doing what a guy his age, and with his talent is suppose to do. Put the young face over.

LOL Umaga isn't a bottom dweller,

Oh, yes he is.

Jobs, to HHH and Jeff Hardy put him away for awhile. Plus, a cricket on broadway is more over than he is. Umaga is a monster jobber.

Burchill is much the same. They try to market him, but people don't know him, and they don't push him strong enough for people to care.

Exactly. Bottom dweller at it's finest.

Your killing yourself Will.

I'll admit he was more at the bottom while jobbing to Super Crazy than he is now. But hes still just starting that long journey back to being a Super-star.

Like I've said, he's got awhile to build.

Like I said before, being a face right now is the best (and worst = explain it later) thing that could've happened to him.

Blah blah blah blah...


Its the best because he'll get the fan base back that he had while on Smackdown. He'll get a huge following behind him, which is what he needs to become something.

Yup.

Its the worst thing for him, however, for this feud as he doesn't need to "win" to get the fans to get behind him.

If it's lengthy, it isn't a "has". It's a "will" win.

Faces lose mini-battles all the time, before winning ONE match

*sigh*

This feud won't be short.

.. out of dozens.. so ultimately, Kennedy might very well drop several matches to Regal, pushing Regal to the moon.. before Kennedy wins one match in the end, making them equal again.

No.

You'll see typical WWE no contest with Kennedy going over eventually and dodging all of the obstacles.

Kennedy's going to be the guy to help Regal, not the other way around.

Your a moron if you think that.

Regal will be the guy helping elevate Kennedy.

Over Heel = More fan reaction and connection with the face. Benefit: Kennedy.

Feud win over that over heel = A push to the next level. Benefit: Kennedy.

Long term, no. Short-mid term, yes.

Kennedy over Regal.

Short term: Yes.

Long term: Will be looked back as a step to success for Kennedy.

They wouldn't of given Regal the huge boost of winning the King of the Ring tournament had they not had plans on pushing William Regal as something moderately great.

Or just too build up an authority heel, for a cocky "Austin esque" face to eventually go over to gain more momentum and popularity for his rise to the next level.

What are you gonna do when it happens later this year?

If it's for the WWE title, I'll change my name to Cocksucker.


Because it will, I'm more sure of this than Kennedy being in any Wrestlemania Main Event.

Kennedy might. It depends all on his popularity by the time of the Rumble. If it's big, like I expect, and WWE probably does, then yes.

If not, HHH will put him over on the big stage in some personal mid card feud.

Good: The fans get behind him quicker.

Yup.

Bad: The faces lose more than they win,

LOL.

Ask, Jericho, HBK, Batista, Undertaker, John Cena, HHH, Jeff Hardy, Bobby Lashley and others that and see what they say.

to draw more sympathy from the fans.

This happens during the course of the feud, building the story in which the face ultimately wins most of the time.

Which means.. Regal will go over Kennedy, for the millions of newly made Kennedy fans to suddenly cry "Regal screwed him" which will be true.

This will happen, but it doesn't mean he'll win the feud.

It's like winning a battle, but not winning the war.

giving Regal a World Championship push in the process,

Moronic statement. This is a mid card feud, nothing more.

from all the extra heat Kennedy's sympathy loss will create for him.

Again, it will happen, but it doesn't mean he'll win the war.


And that doesn't make you think for a second they'd suddenly give him an above average push?

Like I said, both benefit.

He's a better on screen character, WWE realizes that obviously.

The guy just took over not only the G.M. position on Raw.. but the newly found title of "King of the W.W.E."

To gain all of that heat, only to push the upcoming star.



Its not exactly about being the best, or even great. Its about not being boring. Fans never enjoyed watching Regal, because while he was technically great.. he was entertainingly boring.

Fans enjoy watching Regal as a character, and react to him more when doing so. WWE knows that, so they are using it to Kennedy's advantage.

If Kennedy loses, he carries sympathy & popularity onto a new feud.

No, he loses momentum and comes off as a fluke because he was once a hated face, you can't make a crowd buy into a guy who was an arrogant running off at the mouth prick who they loved, and then he go and lose.

They won't buy it.

If Regal wins, he carries even more hatred and bigger heat.

For who to get the rub off of it? Nobody, Kennedy. Which is why that's in the process of happening right now.

They both win, with Kennedy losing.

No, they both win, with Kennedy winning.

Owen won a Championship that Austin later took from him.

Owen was Austin's bitch and a mid carder for life.

Austin was the upcoming star, who Owen put over.

Regal - Owen.

Kennedy = Austin.

So by this logic, Regal will take the World Championship, and Kennedy would take it off him. I agree.

Laughable. This is a midcard feud Will.

If it was for the IC title, then maybe but it isn't, it's for momentum and a push for the upcoming star. Kennedy.

Exactly. They both benefit and win, from Kennedy losing. Just like I said earlier.

No, they both benefit with Kennedy winning.

Only Kennedy's benefits from winning. As it'll drown Regal back into being "nothing" with a "crown."

Kennedy rises in popularity and moves up the ranks, while Regal goes back to being GM like he should be.

However, if Regal wins.. it'll elevate him into Super-stardom, by beating a somewhat big name.

Dumb.

That is all.

[TheOneBigWill]

If it's for the WWE title, I'll change my name to Cocksucker.

This is the only thing I'm quoting you on, because I want your word on this. You said (win, lose, or draw) IF William Regal v. Triple H. happens for the W.W.E. Championship, on a Pay Per View.. that you'd change your name.

Now I'll let it slide if Regal happens to take on someone else as the Champion, but one way or another.. somehow, William Regal WILL get a W.W.E. Championship match.

Now then...

1. Your Kennedy/Regal = Austin/Owen Hart theory is complete crap, because you're trying to play off Kennedy being even remotely as over, as Steve Austin back during that era. Its not happening, it hasn't happened, and NOONE (including Kennedy) will ever get that type of unbelieveable pop again.

Kennedy/Regal is more like Matt Hardy/Edge. Regal was a solid heel to begin with, but not dangerous, not deadly. Meanwhile, Kennedy has always had a fan following (ala Hardyz) yet he barely got over anywhere. (And if you claim he did, you're lying to yourself because if he would've, then why wasn't he ever a World Champion on Smackdown? His BIGGEST claim to fame on that show, was beating Main Eventers, via DQs and Countouts.. hardly Austin-like style.

Regal = Edge, because Kennedy is pushing him over with the fans. Kennedy = Matt Hardy, because people suddenly have a reason to pay attention to him, for going after someone they also suddenly have a main reason to hate. Austin/Owen, they aren't. Hardy/Edge, they are.

2. KOTR = pointless in your opinion? So guys like Steve Austin, Triple H., Owen Hart, Booker T., Edge, and even King Mabel & Billy Gunn.. none of them elevated with a huge push following their KOTR victory? Bullshit. W.W.E. knew the KOTR tournament would solidify someone as a cornerstone heel/face and for whatever reason, that someone was William Regal.

Why? I have no clue, and thats honest. Because I agree before the KOTR I definately wouldn't of and didn't see Regal as a credible cornerstone. Furthermore, you and I both felt the tournament would've been better served pushing someone like Kennedy or John Morrison. However, Regal won it.. and obviously for a reason.

Kennedy is still getting a push from that tournament, as hes challenging the winner. However I'm gonna laugh when you shit bricks, after Regal defeats your golden boy. If Kennedy wins, then the entire 3 hour show, the KOTR, Regal's push.. all of it was worthless and for nothing.

If Regal wins, then Kennedy doesn't get hurt.. because noone (face-wise) gets hurt, over losing to the heel. Not unless its over and over and over.

3. You called me hypocritical once for liking and disliking Kennedy's face turn. However you yourself are being hypocritical by liking and disliking Regal as a legit character.

You state that putting him over Kennedy is pointless and worthless, because hes a midcarder for life and isn't anything great. Never will be. Those have been some of your words.

Yet you turn around, and say Kennedy going over Regal will be huge for him, because the fans enjoy Regal's character and love to hate him. How would Kennedy (who's seen by many as a up-and-coming Main Eventer) going over Regal (who, from your point of view is nothing but a loser and a midcarder never meant to be anything) going to benefit Kennedy? By your logic, Kennedy shouldn't have ANY problem passing Regal and ending this feud almost instantly.

Furthermore, you claim W.W.E. would be stupid to give Regal (40 yrs. old, this year) a push over the younger Kennedy. (32-4?) They're about 6-7 yrs. apart.. and Kennedy has just as many injuries on his plate, as well as personal issues. So regardless of W.W.E. taking a chance on an aging vet.. or a problem/injury riddled, aging "rookie," I think you're blind in assuming there is that much of a huge difference in the two.

[justinsayne]

Dude the KOTR hasn't been taken as a serious accomplishment since Brock won it the last time it was on PPV, anyone who took that tournament on Raw a couple weeks ago as a serious accomplish meant is just fooling themselves, if WWE wanted this thing to be a serious accomplishment they A.) would put it on PPV not some special 3 hour Raw B.) would have plugged more than a week in advance, and probably had qualifying matches, and C.) wouldn't put a midget dressed as a leprechaun in the damn thing

I'm with Wes on this one, Regal's feud with Kennedy right now, is just a stepping stone on Kennedy's way to the top, WWE is not going to invest all this time and money just to give Regal, a guy who won't draw as a Maineventer, a one on one PPV title shot, that's just downright stupid, the only title shot on PPV Regal will ever get is for the IC title, maybe the ECW title

[Lil Wes]

This is the only thing I'm quoting you on, because I want your word on this. You said (win, lose, or draw) IF William Regal v. Triple H. happens for the W.W.E. Championship, on a Pay Per View.. that you'd change your name.

Yes.

Now I'll let it slide if Regal happens to take on someone else as the Champion, but one way or another.. somehow, William Regal WILL get a W.W.E. Championship match.

:lmao:

1. Your Kennedy/Regal = Austin/Owen Hart theory is complete crap, because you're trying to play off Kennedy being even remotely as over, as Steve Austin back during that era. Its not happening, it hasn't happened, and NOONE (including Kennedy) will ever get that type of unbelieveable pop again.

Again, putting words into my mouth.

It was an example. Nothing more.

Kennedy has always had a fan following (ala Hardyz) yet he barely got over anywhere.

Kennedy has been fully over since 2006. Your a fucking moron if you don't think so.

(And if you claim he did, you're lying to yourself because if he would've, then why wasn't he ever a World Champion on Smackdown?

Because he got injured. Derrrrrrrr.

His BIGGEST claim to fame on that show, was beating Main Eventers, via DQs and Countouts.. hardly Austin-like style.

He was a heel genius. Will, try harder. Your getting ridiculous.

Regal = Edge,

Laughable.

Austin/Owen, they aren't. Hardy/Edge, they are.

Austin/Owen is what the feud will end up being like when over. That was the point.

2. KOTR = pointless in your opinion? So guys like Steve Austin, Triple H., Owen Hart, Booker T., Edge, and even King Mabel & Billy Gunn.. none of them elevated with a huge push following their KOTR victory?

KOTR has always been pointless. Especially a one night thrown together version on it.

Mabel went nowhere. Midcarder.

Owen, nowhere. Midcarder.

Gunn, nowhere. Midcarder.

Booker T, jobber to faces which is what Regal will be and upper midcarder.

Edge, never went anywhere until Cena made him.

Should I go on here?

Bullshit. W.W.E. knew the KOTR tournament would solidify someone as a cornerstone heel/face and for whatever reason

WWE did this as a last second decision to push both Regal and Kennedy in a feud.

that someone was William Regal.

Who without the help of Triple H (I didn't know about that) would eventually put over Kennedy.

Why? I have no clue, and thats honest.

To set up this feud we are talking about, and to add heat.

Because I agree before the KOTR I definately wouldn't of and didn't see Regal as a credible cornerstone.

He still isn't. Fans hate him because he's a heel GM. Not because he's a heel wrestler.

Furthermore, you and I both felt the tournament would've been better served pushing someone like Kennedy or John Morrison.

John Morrison is utter shit and will never go anywhere.

And yes, they could have, but setting this up for a lengthy rivalry, could be better.

However, Regal won it.. and obviously for a reason.

A push along with Kennedy in which he would eventually put him over would be the most logical reason.

I didn't know about the HHH thing up until about an hour ago. THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING as well as the rating and company, which will eventually go into a downward spiral if Regal vs HHH was too happen while Cena is in the upper mid card.

Kennedy is still getting a push from that tournament, as hes challenging the winner.

Yes.

However I'm gonna laugh when you shit bricks, after Regal defeats your golden boy.

See above about WWE tanking if this were to happen. HHH vs Regal will NOT sell and it's time to build the younger stars. Are we really going to have these fuckfaced moronic veteran block off the upcomers?

WWE keeps this up another year and it's company suicide.

If Kennedy wins, then the entire 3 hour show, the KOTR, Regal's push.. all of it was worthless and for nothing.

No, it elevates him, while Regal will still be credible as a heel GM.

By your logic, the building up off Randy Orton only for Cena to defeat him was worthless and a waste.

By your logic, the Edge losing to Taker ultimately in this feud is a waste.

By your logic, almost every face/heel feud with the face overcoming the heel is worthless.

That's a piss poor logic and completely stupid.

If Regal wins, then Kennedy doesn't get hurt

Yeah because fans will obviously by into a trash talking babyface who lost to a General Manager after they got all hyped up about him kicking the hated guy's ass.

Right....:rolleyes:

because noone (face-wise) gets hurt,

LOL.

Ask John Cena that. He's suffering from it right now.

3. You called me hypocritical once for liking and disliking Kennedy's face turn. However you yourself are being hypocritical by liking and disliking Regal as a legit character.

How?

You state that putting him over Kennedy is pointless and worthless, because hes a midcarder for life and isn't anything great. Never will be. Those have been some of your words.

Which is correct.

Yet you turn around, and say Kennedy going over Regal will be huge for him, because the fans enjoy Regal's character and love to hate him.

Hence why he's a good heel in the authority role. That doesn't mean he's going anywhere.

How would Kennedy (who's seen by many as a up-and-coming Main Eventer) going over Regal (who, from your point of view is nothing but a loser and a midcarder never meant to be anything) going to benefit Kennedy?

I've already addressed this a 1000 times.

Jesus fucking Christ, do you not understand wrestling 101?

Putting someone over?

Regal = Good heel, who fans hate. But just your typical midcarder. Nothing more.

Kennedy = New face, in the mid card, who will ultimately be a big name main eventer, who fans will buy into more and more during the course of the feud.

Which = Regal, the veteran heel, putting over Kennedy to the next feud onto his build up to stardom.

Good god :disappointed:

By your logic, Kennedy shouldn't have ANY problem passing Regal and ending this feud almost instantly.

Not at all. They are both getting the rub off of each other.

*shakes head in disgust at your lack of understanding*

Furthermore, you claim W.W.E. would be stupid to give Regal (40 yrs. old, this year) a push over the younger Kennedy. (32-4?)

Yes, EXTREMELY stupid if Kennedy becomes very popular during the course of the feud. Which he will if they both do their jobs well.

They're about 6-7 yrs. apart.

Which is a huge difference in wrestling.

and Kennedy has just as many injuries on his plate, as well as personal issues.

All wrestlers have had these.

When it's been about 6 months, they don't matter anymore.

So regardless of W.W.E. taking a chance on an aging vet.. or a problem/injury riddled, aging "rookie,"

Aging? He's 32.

Austin and HHH and these other big names didn't start being HUGE names until around 34 I believe. So your logic is dumbfounding.

I think you're blind in assuming there is that much of a huge difference in the two.

Oh yes there is.

When you got a young star, who has ALL of the tools to become your next big face, and you have a veteran heel in an authority role, who has never been nothing more than a midcarder, despite drawing heat from the fans. You give both of them a rub off of each other, and eventually put the face over in the end.

Simple.

[TheOneBigWill]

if WWE wanted this thing to be a serious accomplishment they A.) would put it on PPV not some special 3 hour Raw B.) would have plugged more than a week in advance, and probably had qualifying matches, and C.) wouldn't put a midget dressed as a leprechaun in the damn thing

I agree that the tournament sucked, I never said it didn't. Hell I bashed the shit out of it in the Raw review I wrote a while back. However, I'd like to point out a couple things.

1. King of the Ring 3-hour special on Raw is because for whatever purpose, they felt the original Pay Per View never sold. So why bother trying, when they had it planned for...

2. A midget being involved. And just who beat that midget, adding the first bit of heel heat to him in the tournament? Hmm.. the Raw G.M. somehow "randomly" gets entered, "randomly" against a midget and dominates Horney within mere seconds.

3. You advance all of this, and William Regal played that tournament like a rockstar does his guitar. The tournament was never meant to be huge. I didn't mean it like that. The tournament was meant to reclaim William Regal (someone in general) as a new (or remade) heel. Regal suddenly has way more hatred and heat on him now, then he did three weeks ago.

I'm with Wes on this one, Regal's feud with Kennedy right now, is just a stepping stone on Kennedy's way to the top, WWE is not going to invest all this time and money just to give Regal, a guy who won't draw as a Maineventer, a one on one PPV title shot, that's just downright stupid, the only title shot on PPV Regal will ever get is for the IC title, maybe the ECW title

I never said this wasn't a f*cking stepping stone for Kennedy. But you & Wes both use the logic that it'll only be considered a "stepping stone" if Kennedy wins. You both seem to think its outrageously impossible for Regal to be the guy getting anything out of this.. when the fact is so plain to see.

Kennedy IS OVER. Read any number of Wes' mindless rants on Kennedy's fan base, and compare it to Raw. Its true, for that night anyways. Kennedy's fan favorite return sent him outrageously to the top.. Regal isn't. So if Regal "screws" Kennedy, shockingly Regal is a "name" again. Kennedy is already a "name" so a win over Regal won't help him as much as it would Regal to defeat Kennedy. How is that hard to understand?

Kennedy has been fully over since 2006. Your a fucking moron if you don't think so.

:lmao: Mr. Kennedy hasn't been over since he came to Raw. What'd we talk about on MSN? Hardy, H.B.K., Flair? You claimed he was over in ALL of those feuds. Wow Wes, what'd he do in each? Uhm.. LOST!

Infact, you mentioned earlier that his return wasn't huge, because he was only gone for 3 weeks. Man, open your eyes.. the Kennedy that returned, is showing signs of being the Kennedy from Smackdown. If thats the case, hes been gone for about 2 years.

The fans didn't give a shit about the Raw version of Kennedy. His biggest pop was against Shawn Michaels, and heres a hint.. it wasn't Kennedy that made people pop for that feud. It was the other, above 40 year old guy.

KOTR has always been pointless. Especially a one night thrown together version on it.

William Regal, regular G.M. becomes Lord William Regal, ruler of the World Wrestling Entertainment.. I think there's a point to that.

Mabel went nowhere. Midcarder.

Summerslam 1995 - World Championship match against Diesel. (lost, yes, pushed still)

Owen, nowhere. Midcarder.

Summerslam 1994 - World Championship match against Bret Hart. (lost yes, pushed still)

Gunn, nowhere. Midcarder.

Billy Gunn feuded with The Rock, then Triple H. (lost yes, pushed still)

Booker T, jobber to faces which is what Regal will be and upper midcarder.

Booker T., the Wife saving jobber turns into King Bookah, the World Heavyweight Champion.. you're right Wes, he didn't get anything outta the KOTR victory, did he. :rolleyes:

Edge, never went anywhere until Cena made him.

WHATEVER! Edge went over the instant his dick found Lita's crotch. John Cena helped him become a Main Eventer, and the KOTR final's victory over Angle helped people to realize he could defeat Main Eventers.

Should I go on here?

Might as well, can't imagine you can dig any deeper. Would you like me to find you a shovel? Perhaps some long boots for all that shit you're standing in?

WWE did this as a last second decision to push both Regal and Kennedy in a feud.

I AGREE! W.W.E. is ALWAYS Last Second for the most part. And you're correct, this was to push BOTH of them. Which is the WHOLE point I've been trying to get.

Win, Lose, or Draw.. the objective is to put both men over. Kennedy is majorly over as a newly returned face. Which leaves Regal to get something.. something not being a 1-2-3 count to the mat.

He still isn't. Fans hate him because he's a heel GM. Not because he's a heel wrestler.

Which is the point of this feud. To get Regal over as both a hated heel Character through being the General Manager. And a hated heel wrestler, via defeating Mr. Kennedy.

I think you need to understand what I've been arguing all along. Kennedy will win the final match, assumably. However, Regal will A.) Win several more matches (logically) against Kennedy in between.. and after finally losing, will still take the jump over Kennedy, to get a World Championship match.

John Morrison is utter shit and will never go anywhere.

Don't even get me started on Morrison. The guy has so much potential and character charisma its outrageous. If they'd only use him, like you want them to use Kennedy.. we'd both be happy.

I didn't know about the HHH thing up until about an hour ago. THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING as well as the rating and company, which will eventually go into a downward spiral if Regal vs HHH was too happen while Cena is in the upper mid card.

What do you mean you didn't know about the Triple H. thing? Meaning you had no clue Regal was being pushed to get a title shot? Or meaning you had no clue Regal's likely only reason for being in this spot, is because hes good friends with Triple H?

Either way.. it gives Regal the nod, and it gives you an open schedule on Monday's. :lmao:

See above about WWE tanking if this were to happen. HHH vs Regal will NOT sell and it's time to build the younger stars. Are we really going to have these fuckfaced moronic veteran block off the upcomers?

WWE keeps this up another year and it's company suicide.

Please Wes. Just because Regal gets a title shot, they commit company suicide? Thats outlandishly stupid and overly naive of you to think. W.W.E. will continue to thrive and be around long after you've quit watching.

Stupid feuds, and pointless matches will continue to fill your weekly scheduled programming, long after you've replied and bitched about how they'd be stupid to do so.

Face it.. they're a billion dollar company, and with T.N.A. being the only threat.. definately AREN'T going anywhere. Less of all, dying.

Aging? He's 32.

Austin and HHH and these other big names didn't start being HUGE names until around 34 I believe. So your logic is dumbfounding.

Shawn Michaels, Triple H., The Undertaker, etc, etc, etc.. ALL OF THEM aren't getting any younger, yet all of them continue to get mega spots.

If you use this logic, Kennedy's got another 2 years before he becomes randomly aged to gain that spot. lol

And I'm NOT saying William Regal is earning a solid, never ending Main Event spot like Kennedy will in time. I'm saying Regal will do what they rumored the KOTR winner will do.. he'll take Booker's spot, possibly have a mild title run, and become a bigger known name. Meanwhile, Kennedy will win the final feud, then go on to feud with Randy Orton, or J.B.L. most likely.

[Lil Wes]

Mr. Kennedy hasn't been over since he came to Raw.

Contradicted yourself...

Kennedy IS OVER.

Kennedy has been over since he came to RAW.

Debut - Massively over as a tweener

Hardy feud - Over as a tweener.

Summer in the WWE title picture/upper midcard - Over as a tweener

HBK feud - Over as a tweener

Flair feud - MASSIVELY over as a heel.

Road to Mania - Over as a tweener again

Now - Popularity will skyrocket.

What'd we talk about on MSN? Hardy, H.B.K., Flair? You claimed he was over in ALL of those feuds. Wow Wes, what'd he do in each? Uhm.. LOST!

You can still be over and lose matches jackass.

So King Booker wasn't over? JBL isn't? Khali? MVP? Umaga who isn't now, but was? Even Vince McMahon who is pretty much an authority figure who always loses?

Terrible logic again.

Infact, you mentioned earlier that his return wasn't huge, because he was only gone for 3 weeks.

It wasn't huge. How is returning from 3 weeks huge? 3 months isn't even huge. John Cena will return next week, that's huge? ROFL.

Man, open your eyes.. the Kennedy that returned, is showing signs of being the Kennedy from Smackdown. If thats the case, hes been gone for about 2 years.

Yup. Bad booking, but yet he was still over.

The fans didn't give a shit about the Raw version of Kennedy. His biggest pop was against Shawn Michaels,

His biggest pop was at the Royal Rumble when he outpopped everyone but Undertaker and John Cena.

and heres a hint.. it wasn't Kennedy that made people pop for that feud. It was the other, above 40 year old guy.

Kennedy was a heel. Once again, a complete different situation.

Again Will, pitiful.

William Regal, regular G.M. becomes Lord William Regal, ruler of the World Wrestling Entertainment.. I think there's a point to that.

Yup.

To eventually elevate your authority abusing face to the next level of popularity and ranking.

Summerslam 1995 - World Championship match against Diesel. (lost, yes, pushed still)


Summerslam 1994 - World Championship match against Bret Hart. (lost yes, pushed still)



Billy Gunn feuded with The Rock, then Triple H. (lost yes, pushed still)



Booker T., the Wife saving jobber turns into King Bookah, the World Heavyweight Champion.. you're right Wes, he didn't get anything outta the KOTR victory, did he. :rolleyes:

Those KOTR's weren't two hours, poorly put together and hardly advertised.

All were midcarders for life. Hence my point. Hardly any pushes whatsoever, if they don't succeed.


WHATEVER! Edge went over the instant his dick found Lita's crotch. John Cena helped him become a Main Eventer,

You just killed your argument.

John Cena made the heel Edge we have today.


and the KOTR final's victory over Angle helped people to realize he could defeat Main Eventers.

Might as well, can't imagine you can dig any deeper. Would you like me to find you a shovel? Perhaps some long boots for all that shit you're standing in?

I've completely made any credibility you had, go right out the window in about 5 posts.

I AGREE! W.W.E. is ALWAYS Last Second for the most part. And you're correct, this was to push BOTH of them. Which is the WHOLE point I've been trying to get.

Well no shit, I've been trying to explain that too you countless times but you keep blabbing about how it benefit's Regal MORE when it won't in the end.

Win, Lose, or Draw.. the objective is to put both men over.

But have Kennedy win the feud by overcoming the obstacles of the hated GM to boost his popularity, and ranking within the roster..

Kennedy is majorly over as a newly returned face. Which leaves Regal to get something.. something not being a 1-2-3 count to the mat.

Yes, it does when all is done.

Which is the point of this feud. To get Regal over as both a hated heel Character through being the General Manager. And a hated heel wrestler, via defeating Mr. Kennedy.

Like I said, winning a battle but not the war.

I think you need to understand what I've been arguing all along. Kennedy will win the final match, assumably. However, Regal will A.) Win several more matches (logically) against Kennedy in between.. and after finally losing, will still take the jump over Kennedy, to get a World Championship match.

He'll never get a title match. He's a stepping stone to Kennedy's success.

Don't even get me started on Morrison. The guy has so much potential and character charisma its outrageous.

Kennedy, ya' know the one we're talking about? Is who you should be saying that about.

If they'd only use him, like you want them to use Kennedy.. we'd both be happy.

They will use Kennedy that way, because it's the only way. I have nothing to worry about.

What do you mean you didn't know about the Triple H. thing? Meaning you had no clue Regal was being pushed to get a title shot?

No, meaning I had no clue HHH was a back of Regal getting a push.

He won't get a title shot. Trust me.

Or meaning you had no clue Regal's likely only reason for being in this spot, is because hes good friends with Triple H?

^^

Either way.. it gives Regal the nod, and it gives you an open schedule on Monday's.

ROFL, no it doesn't. It makes Regal a stone for Kennedy to step over in a lengthy feud.

Please Wes. Just because Regal gets a title shot, they commit company suicide?

No, plus burying your biggest draw (by miles) to the midcard and giving HHH another reign of terror.

Thats outlandishly stupid and overly naive of you to think. W.W.E. will continue to thrive and be around long after you've quit watching.

ROFL.

Ratings will say otherwise during that feud. I can promise you.

Stupid feuds, and pointless matches will continue to fill your weekly scheduled programming, long after you've replied and bitched about how they'd be stupid to do so.

Yup.

And ratings will agree. They are already falling drastically. Vince is pushing the panic button, and it has nothing to do with Regal. He isn't a draw, nor main event material.

Face it.. they're a billion dollar company, and with T.N.A. being the only threat.. definately AREN'T going anywhere. Less of all, dying.

Doesn't mean ratings won't go into a downward spiral dude.

Seriously, before you post next time. Take your head out of your ass please.

Shawn Michaels, Triple H., The Undertaker, etc, etc, etc.. ALL OF THEM aren't getting any younger, yet all of them continue to get mega spots.

Which isn't a good thing. At all.

If you use this logic, Kennedy's got another 2 years before he becomes randomly aged to gain that spot. lol

Kennedy's got this full year to build into a mega face and possibly win the Rumble.

I'm saying Regal will do what they rumored the KOTR winner will do..

This was before the ratings fall, and was stated by Ryan fucking Clark.

Your cred is dropping quote by quote Will.

he'll take Booker's spot, possibly have a mild title run, and become a bigger known name.

Laughable.

He'll put over Kennedy in his authority role in a long feud.

Meanwhile, Kennedy will win the final feud, then go on to feud with Randy Orton, or J.B.L. most likely.

Possibly.

[justinsayne]

1. King of the Ring 3-hour special on Raw is because for whatever purpose, they felt the original Pay Per View never sold. So why bother trying, when they had it planned for...

Or they needed something special to do for the 3 hour Raw, and figured WTF, lets throw together a quick KOTR tournament, and put no effort into it what so ever

2. A midget being involved. And just who beat that midget, adding the first bit of heel heat to him in the tournament? Hmm.. the Raw G.M. somehow "randomly" gets entered, "randomly" against a midget and dominates Horney within mere seconds.

Doesn't really establish him as a legit threat the WWE title, I mean if every guy on the roster that is capable of beating Hornswoggle is worthy of a WWE title shot, then Trips has a long ass line of contenders to deal with

3. You advance all of this, and William Regal played that tournament like a rockstar does his guitar. The tournament was never meant to be huge.

Yet your making it sound like this was a huge accomplishment

I didn't mean it like that. The tournament was meant to reclaim William Regal (someone in general) as a new (or remade) heel. Regal suddenly has way more hatred and heat on him now, then he did three weeks ago.

Yup, which allows Kennedy to turn face with this feud, which is the entire fucking point of all over this, it's not to put Regal over as a challenger for the WWE title

I never said this wasn't a f*cking stepping stone for Kennedy.

Umm... Yeah you did

But you & Wes both use the logic that it'll only be considered a "stepping stone" if Kennedy wins.

Umm Maybe cause Kennedy is the future of the company, why wouldn't they use this feud to put him over?

You both seem to think its outrageously impossible for Regal to be the guy getting anything out of this.. when the fact is so plain to see.

Regal is basically just taking Flair's spot as the guy who puts over the up and coming talent, and making them more established for the ME scene

Kennedy IS OVER. Read any number of Wes' mindless rants on Kennedy's fan base, and compare it to Raw. Its true, for that night anyways. Kennedy's fan favorite return sent him outrageously to the top.. Regal isn't. So if Regal "screws" Kennedy, shockingly Regal is a "name" again. Kennedy is already a "name" so a win over Regal won't help him as much as it would Regal to defeat Kennedy. How is that hard to understand?

Kennedy is not ME ready right now though, this feud will push him further toward the ME scene, and getting him to that point where he is ready to be a full time Maineventer, this feud will push Kennedy in a similar way that the Austin/McMahon feud pushed Austin into the Mainevent scene. How is that hard to understand?

What do you mean you didn't know about the Triple H. thing? Meaning you had no clue Regal was being pushed to get a title shot?

Ok, I'm not understanding your logic here, with the Regal getting a title shot thing, It's been widely reported that Trips wants to turn heel this summer, which will likely happen while he's champion, so then please explain to me, why you would have your top two heels feuding over the WWE title, that not only doesn't make any sense at all it just straight up stupid, seems it would make more sense for Regal to assist on the Triple H heel turn, then have Regal protect his heel Champion, similer to how Vince protected his corporate champion The Rock?

[Papa Shango]

Good Lord, I can't read all this. But from what I've read, I'm siding with Wes. Kennedy would be SOOOOO much more effective in the ME scene. Regal's been around for ages, he gets occasional pushes, they never last, he jobs to all the stars, he gets an "official type" job, lather, rinse, repeat. Kennedy is fresh, new, funny, talented, he's PERFECT for a ME push. Will said something about KOTR being made to give someone a massive push, and that massive push was given to William Regal. FIRSTLY, that KOTR tournament was nothing more than a poor attempt at grabbing ratings for the week. It was reported that the three hour show was thrown together at the last minute. SECONDLY, IF we're talking about giving a major push to the winner of KOTR, then let's look at this; it was reported that Kennedy was originally scheduled to try to get to RAW to be in the KOTR tournament, and face CM Punk in the finals. Kennedy couldn't, because he wasn't finished filming Behind Enemy Lines 3. Instead, William Regal faces punk in the finals... and wins. Therefore, using the transitive property of RAW, then MR. KENNEDY was originally scheduled to win the KOTR tournament, and recieve the assumed push one gets by winning it. For all we know, and by the way the angle went on Monday, this fued could very culminate in a match to determine the TRUE King of the Ring. And if that happens, then I guarantee that the winner of that match will be
Mrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Kennedyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!

And if Kennedy loses the match to determine the true KOTR, I will change my name to Cocksucker, Jr. Or Wes' Catcher, I'll let the Bar Room posters vote on it.
















Kennedyyyyyyyyyy!!!

[Sicko]

wow some of you guys post are just way to long for me, no way I am reading that LOL


anyway if Regal is coming back to wrestle full time then allowing him to remain GM is so stupid IMO, so basically WWE is saying that Raw will be all about Regal for a while

and eventhough I like Regal I don't like him that damn much, he is a good heel but I don't think he is or ever will be a top Mainevent guy, he may get a push and a short run as Champion but to make him the Top Heel on Raw over the likes of JBL and others would be a bad move

[Steamboat Ricky]

*deep breath* OK.

Those of you arguing that Regal won't get a push out of this should really go back and watch the last 3-4 weeks of Raw.

-Kennedy......out since Mania. Why? Nobody knows.
.....came out, said: "MRRRRRRRR KENNNNEDY!" and then got whooped on by Regal.

-Regal...Match v. WWE champ Randy Orton (Really solid performance by Regal, showing he can still be very good in the ring)
...Wins KOTR in a total surprise and shocker. I don't think ANYONE saw this one coming. Not only that, Regal wins over Mr. MITB CM Punk. Punk...the guy they just chose to shoot to the moon with MITB.
...Orchestrates the most talked about storyline on Raw for a mega-long time. He cuts the transmission of a WWE title rematch, pissing off all the little kiddies.


Weighing out the scenarios, with the addition of the of the fact that Raw needs an overwhelming oppressive force to bring down the faces, I'm going to have to say that Kennedy is a stepping stone for Lord William Regal.

[a7xoff]

See now WWE needs to and I mean neeeeedddsss to be very, very careful with what they do here. Pulling someone like Regal out of the hat was an excellent and unexpected idea. Now though, WWE needs to be cautious as to what they do. They proved Regal can still kick ass in the ring Example A: CM Punk, They got him mad heat for "turning out the lights on Raw" a couple weeks ago. Now though... They need to be careful. By having Regal turn out the lights on Raw again this past week. WWE needs to be careful not to overplay that hand. It will only draw for X amount of time before people just find it dumb and annoying.

Regal as KOTR, I see as a massive way for WWE to get Kennedy back into the ME scene. I don't see Regal holding the KOTR title for long, and I expect Kennedy to take it from him before too long, so as far as Regal in the main event.... I don't see it happening