Does Kurt Angle Seem a bit Ungrateful to WWE

[Ryukuma]

Now the reason i am posting this is based off this recent article, but i have to say in every comment i read from him its always bashing WWE, and praising TNA. WWE has given him a hell of alot and he doesnt seem to respect them and constantly blames them for everything bad in his life, while TNA is his complete saving grace.

Tell me your opinion on whether you think Kurt Angle is being an Ungrateful Whiner, or He is completely in the right with all that he always says

[klunderbunker]

I think kurt takes it too far with his WWE bashing. Granted he'd be a big deal even without wwe given the gold medal and all, but they really made him a star. Had he never been tehre, he'd never dominate tna the way he does now. I understand that TNA pays him now and is basically his competition, but there's no need to run him into the ground. If TNA folds and he still wants to wrestle, where does he go? He might get back into wwe, but i can't imagine vince's ego would let him be a main eventer for that long.

[Freedom 35]

I think kurt takes it too far with his WWE bashing. Granted he'd be a big deal even without wwe given the gold medal and all, but they really made him a star. Had he never been tehre, he'd never dominate tna the way he does now. I understand that TNA pays him now and is basically his competition, but there's no need to run him into the ground. If TNA folds and he still wants to wrestle, where does he go? He might get back into wwe, but i can't imagine vince's ego would let him be a main eventer for that long.

Exactly does he really believe TNA will be around forever? Angle is being straight up stupid with all of this I mean Vince could take TNA out in a second if he wanted to and where would Angle be then? probably begging Vince for a job and regretting all the things he said. It seems everyone but Kurt Angle seems to know TNA wont be around forever and whenever that impeding defeat does happen everyone on that roster will be looking for a job and Angle is dooming himself for getting a big wrestling job after TNAs demise

[Ryukuma]

Im actually going to disagree with you both on these TNA comments. The reason for this is because if TNA goes under then Kurt will either practice MMA or hell just retire with him and his family because I do believe he is fairly well off. So i really dont think he will worry too much about getting a job back with the WWE.

[Esteban Ochocinco]

I actually think you guys think that the WWE is the only thing out there. Angle doesn't want to go back to the WWE, so he really doesn't give a shit what he says. If TNA fails, which in Angles mind it won't, so why worry, then he has a huge opportunity to make a lot of money in Japan. There are plenty of options out there for a former olympic gold medalist. Like I said, you're putting WWE a little higher then what it deserves to be, especially with a guy with the credentials of Kurt Angle.

Honestly, I don't have one thing wrong with what Kurt Angle said. He thinks (he was) more over then Cena, he thinks Triple H is a politcer, and HBK is soft, all things I've heard for a long time thanks to the internet. He's speaking the truth, and people can't deal with it. Kurt Angle is 100x's the wrestler Trips and HBK are, and he felt he should have the number one spot, what's wrong with that?

[Freedom 35]

Im actually going to disagree with you both on these TNA comments. The reason for this is because if TNA goes under then Kurt will either practice MMA or hell just retire with him and his family because I do believe he is fairly well off. So i really dont think he will worry too much about getting a job back with the WWE.

but actually can you imagine Kurt Angle a wrestling fiend giving up on the sport? if and when potentially goes down and he tries doing MMA theres no doubt in my mind that he will miss pro wrestling, pro wrestlers love what theyre doing and wouldnt be in it if they werent 100% passionate about it and if he leaves for a while he'll be back someone so naturally gifted and talented at the sport doesnt just up and leave it hed be back I gauruntee it

[Freedom 35]

I actually think you guys think that the WWE is the only thing out there. Angle doesn't want to go back to the WWE, so he really doesn't give a shit what he says. If TNA fails, which in Angles mind it won't, so why worry, then he has a huge opportunity to make a lot of money in Japan. There are plenty of options out there for a former olympic gold medalist. Like I said, you're putting WWE a little higher then what it deserves to be, especially with a guy with the credentials of Kurt Angle.

Honestly, I don't have one thing wrong with what Kurt Angle said. He thinks (he was) more over then Cena, he thinks Triple H is a politcer, and HBK is soft, all things I've heard for a long time thanks to the internet. He's speaking the truth, and people can't deal with it. Kurt Angle is 100x's the wrestler Trips and HBK are, and he felt he should have the number one spot, what's wrong with that?


I understand that theres plenty of opportunities for Kurt Angle out there if hes out on a job and I know that Japans a tremendous opportunity for him but I cant help but believe that he wants another shot in the bigs I cant help but think that someone of his caliber doesnt want to steal the show at just one more wrestlemania even with the shit thats gone down between him and the WWE, I bet the biggest company and arguably the best wrestler in the world can work things out if they really have to.

[klunderbunker]

Kurt could definately go to any wrestling company in the world that he wants to, but I don't know if he'd want to wrestle anywhere but wwe. There is a lot of money to be made in Japan with all of the huge matches he could have over there, but I'm not sure if Angle would go somewhere that's not one of the biggest companies around. Angle could do just about anything he wants to if/when tna folds with his resume and I have no problem with him putting everything he has on tna's success. Did wwe give him everything he has? Absolutely not, but it was a key aspect. My problem is that I don't think it's right that he is blasting the company that made him as big of a superstar as he is today.

[lamarre2012]

I think Kurt is just another one of many former WWE wrestlers that think he's the sole person responsible for his success. As much as he doesn't want to admit it, he had it really good in WWE. The reason Triple H is always pretty much on top is because he's trusted. And I am so sick of listening to Kurt bitch about his time in WWE, why can't he be like Booker T. Booker has his problems with WWE but I don't see him bashing them left and right. He spoke his mind and now i think he's moved on. Kurt needs to move on.

TNA will never be as big as it wants to be as long as it's stars keep talking about WWE.

[turinx]

Lots of bad blood there. Some guys will carry that much anger with them forever, other's will learn to put it behind them and move on.

[god of thunder]

Shortly after Angle joined TNA he said in an interview aired on iMPACT! that Vince McMahon told him to his face when he first signed with WWE that his Olympic gold medal "Didn't mean shit". Only Kurt Angle knows what experiences and circumstances he faced in the WWE, we the fans don't, and can't, know all of the details of his time there. Granted, Angle does, in my opinion, seem like an extemely competetive hot head, and the fact remains that WWE is still the big dance for pro wrestling. But I'm glad to hear his insulting comments, just as I'm glad to see TNA succeed, because monopoly of any industry by one all powerful entity is NEVER a good thing. Over the years, Vince's ego, fueled by his monopoly of pro wrestling, has been blatantly obvious in the way WWE tries to cram characters and storylines down the fans throats. Why? Because without any alternatives, the fans have no choice but to accept whatever nonsense WWE is putting on, and Vince knows it! At least now, with TNA on the rise, wrestling fans have a choice. I personally hope TNA rises up and kicks WWE's ass off! :007:

[Mighty NorCal]

Its not like it matters really. Kurt Angle could probably say practically any crazy thing, ,and still be welcomed back by vince, if he wanted to come back. Ultimate Warrior did crazy thing after crazy thing, and we all KNOW about Mr. Loser fuck up Jeff Hardy. Vince will forgive if the talent is there, and Kurt knows this, so he knows it doesnt matter.

Add to this the fact that Kurt Angle, alongside being the best wrestler in the world, is utterly delusional and out of his mind. He really belives what he says about TNA, and thinks becuase he is there, that they will take out WWE. Kurt Angle acts like he is bigger than the sport almost. Makes him look pretty stupid when more people watch WWEs hour long C show (the C show by a WIDE margin) over TNAs 2 hour, major network edited for TV flagship show.

Kurt Angle says the body bag shit he does becuase he is somewhat moronic and delusional. And he will be able to get away with it, becuase after TNA folds, or even before, in reality, he COULD go back to WWE if he wanted to.

[klunderbunker]

I hadn't thought about all the chances people get in wwe. You're absolutely right. Now that I think about it, there's no way that Vince would turn down a chance to have Angle again even for a short time. He'd be welcomed back by the fans and is still better than the majority of the roster. Vince definately would take him back, which means he's either very forgiving, or very stupid.

[Skullz Crack'Em]

Kurt Angle is a bully, all he ever does is bash everybody and everything that isn't about him. He will more than likely return to the WWE some day and will be eating those words(it has happened to many legends in this business before) then he will praise the WWE because he is a part of it again. Yes, he does have many options outside the WWE, but he is addicted to Pro Wrestling, in MMA there is no script of who wins this or who wins that, you have to work your ass off literally to win a match. You are not handed anything in MMA, unlike Pro Wrestling, and Kurt won't like that, why else did he leave WWE for TNA? He knew TNA was desperate and would give him anything he desired, unlike the WWE who already had Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, John Cena, and Triple H who Vince prioritized before Angle. Kurt knew he was 5th place on Vince's list, so he went to TNA to be 1st place, and it looks like his plan worked.

I am not pissed that he went to TNA, it was a good move he made for himself personally, and I applaud him for that, but when he makes comments like "I should've been given Triple H's spot in the WWE, he should retire(he actually said this in a previous interview, believe it or not), blah blah blah" is just plain stupid. Kurt, you are OLDER than Triple H, you are not exactly a rising star yourself, and blaming Trips for holding down talent in the WWE is just being hypocritical on your part. Triple H paid his dues a decade ago, he was given a chance to go to WCW after the Madison Square Garden incident, but he decided to stay in the WWE and take his punishment like a man, that is when Vince realized Trips was going to be a trustworthy ally and a big star in the years to come. Kurt Angle did not want to take his punishment, so he took the easy way out and went to TNA to be a shark in a small pond.

[Mighty NorCal]

I hadn't thought about all the chances people get in wwe. You're absolutely right. Now that I think about it, there's no way that Vince would turn down a chance to have Angle again even for a short time. He'd be welcomed back by the fans and is still better than the majority of the roster. Vince definately would take him back, which means he's either very forgiving, or very stupid.

eh, I dont thin he is stupid, or even forgiving for that matter, he just bends over backwards to give the fans what he thinks they want, and to make money. Kurt Angle would be STUPID over upon his return, as he was when he left, and would certainley add to the money making ability and overall quality of the WWE. I dont think its about him being stupid or forgiving, its about making money and giving his fans what they want. Kurt Angle is both, so he can do say pretty much whatever, and still be able to come back someday. I wouldnt be suprised to see him OR christian walking through a WWE curtain sometime within the next 5 years.

[klunderbunker]

That is true about Vince wanting to make money and to an extent what the audience wants. No doubt Angle could still draw. Same with Christian after he's gotten some main event experience now. I could definately see them coming back to WWE, but as far as either of them being in the main event on a permanent basis, i'm not entirely sure.

[The Deejish Invasion]

That is true about Vince wanting to make money and to an extent what the audience wants. No doubt Angle could still draw. Same with Christian after he's gotten some main event experience now. I could definately see them coming back to WWE, but as far as either of them being in the main event on a permanent basis, i'm not entirely sure.

I agree that the wwe will hold the door open for them, but i dont believe that angles comments are entirely true, I disagree with alot of his statements including hbk being soft, the reason why angle keeps acting up is because he is angry and bitter, he has all of the ability but needs to stop worrying about the wwe and just worry about angle, he still has a drug issue which he was booked over and i do not believe that his abuse issue is entirely over, agreed he is the best wrestler on the planet, but he needs to stop complaining and start working

[klunderbunker]

I agree. Angle has as much ability as anyone ever but he needs to quit doing these random interviews. I don't remember him saying much positive about tna, other than that they're better than wwe. Ok if that's true, why? You can't promote your own company just because one sucks. Once he can get tna a lot higher off the ground, which he is more than capable of doing, then he can rip wwe all he wants, but right now it's the 2nd level and he needs to realize it.

[TheOneBigWill]

First, T.N.A. is NOT any type of saving grace for Kurt Angle, except for the much lighter work schedule. I don't think W.W.E. was ever willing to do that for him. However, Kurt Angle has done an outstanding job at making T.N.A. a great company. Whereas he was only another name in the W.W.E.

He was one of the top greats, but in the list of top 5, nowhere to be found. So Kurt Angle has no room to talk, about being anything perfect to the W.W.E. and as far as blaming them for everything wrong in his life, its not as if the W.W.E. forced him to do all that stuff. Thats the stupidest thing about guys who leave that company. They want to place all the blame on the company itself.

"Oh, they forced me to do this. My life is ruined because of them."

The fact is, he had a choice. And if I remember correctly, THEY (W.W.E.) let him out of his contract, because he asked for it due to his health. They were helping and agreeing with him, and he lied, turned his back on the company that MADE HIM.. then went to the rival. Kurt Angle is a hypocrite. Damn great wrestler, but awful human-being.

[Undercurrent]

I wasn't aware of all the Triple H marks around here. Kurt Angle is without question one of the greatest in ring performers of all time and he still has the ability to put on a fantastic match.

There are many who take everything Kurt says very seriously which they shouldn't. Kurt Angle is a man who loves to get people talking and many of his interviews get people talking. Many of the comments that people find outrageous is more than likely Kurt just having fun and seeing what he can get away with saying.

I use to be a big TNA supporter and I still support the product and of course the ultra talented performers there....I just don't like it much anymore. (Which is a damn shame) With that aside Kurt has a goal in mind, and that's to take TNA to the top. Although I never see that happening, it really doesn't hurt to try.

Triple H and Shawn Michaels are both notorious for their politics while Kurt wasn't really involved with that game. I do most definitely believe he was held down for the pure fact that he wasn't involved with politics and that there were several other wrestlers jealous of his abilities. Who wouldn't be jealous of him? If you're Triple H and you're already popular and establishing yourself as the face of the business, you're going to keep your eye on that one guy who has it all and is a better performer than you.

We'll never fully understand what happened between Kurt and Vince but from what I know I'll always side with Kurt. I use to think to myself I honestly wish Kurt was still with the WWE but then I stop and think for a minute. Not only was there very little for Kurt left to accomplish but the WWE just didn't fully value his abilities and contributions. If I were Kurt I wouldn't want to work there for that reason and on top of that being denied the right for time off when I'm too hurt to wrestle.

The WWE truly dropped the ball in regards to Christian, Kurt Angle and Booker T as they all left for reasons they could've possibly controlled.

[WWEIsLife]

I like Kurt Angle but he needs to get off his high horse. I seem to remember WWE let him out of his Contract,then what does he do? Went to TNA. Now who's decesion was that? Kurt Angle's. Angle had a great run in the WWE and held every Title that was there. So he needs to stop blaming Vince,HHH,HBK,or whoever for his problems. If TNA folds then I think he will come crawling back to Vince begging for a job because I doubt he could survive in MMA with the way his Neck is.

[L4L]

I can't believe what I am hearing the WWE is the big dance in pro wrestling, the place to be. Have any of you seen or even payed attention to 99 percent of WWE's matches they are horrible. It is watered down pro wrestling certainly not the best Pro Wrestling entertainment out there thats for sure. Feds like ROH and others in america have much better action. Japan has it all over the WWE to say Kurt Angle needs the WWE is obsurd the WWE needs him for credibility. It doesn't matter if the WWE does have talent they are so limited by vince.Why Kurt want to go back to the WWE to be held back and under guys like HHH or HBK two guys who arent in his league.

[klunderbunker]

That's true that WWE isn't the best in the world and it hasn't been for a long time. But it's by far and away considered the highest level. ROH is great and, but their fan base is very small and the money just isn't there. Angle would fit in perfectly in Japan or in ROH, but I can't imagine him going there full time. While the companies may be better run and have better matches, you're not going to see ROH or Japan on national tv or in prime time anytime soon. TNA has been lucky to get that. WWE is established and well known. It may not be the best, but it's still by far and away the big dog in the yard.

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

Kurt Angle is like any employee who is happy with the place where he works. if he worked for Burger King and was happy, then he would bash McDonald's. TNA is on the rise, and having a strong and proven heel like Kurt Angle on board is one thing that will not only help them currently but will lend a helping hand getting TNA's future crop of heels over in the long run.

Should he be bashing WWE so badly? Well if he was unhappy there and is doing better in TNA, then why shouldn't he? Why shouldn't he speak of the politics and the backstabbing that goes on in order to help other TNA wrestlers decided whether or not that may be an option when the time comes to choose. Kurt Angle is in a place where his creative input is highly valued and he has the chance to work with his wife as well. It's a win win situation for him as he didn't have to come to TNA, being ell off. So yeah, he will continue to bash WWE. Remember, he's only trying to help sell the product that he is currently a part of.

[Ryukuma]

The reason I have such a problem with what Kurt Angle says is because, he does not show any appreciation for what wwe actually did for him. Im sure they did alot of things to piss him off, but then again that goes for any wrestler. He bashes just to make himself look like he was the only good wrestler their, and he deserved everything and never got it. Like said before this guy has held everything, he did a bunch of main events. My main problem here is he keeps bashing compared to other wrestlers who just leave the subject alone, and thank wwe for what theyve done, and now they move on.

Also for all of you who say christian left because he was disgruntled you guys are way off. He wanted to try new things and prove he can be big. Its been said before that hes welcome back in wwe whenever he wants

[Esteban Ochocinco]

What exactly Kurt Angle supposed to do with regards to the WWE? He is trying to make his company better, he's not going to have ever loving praise for the WWE. Why give the WWE more free positive press, it makes no sense. Of course he's going to bash the WWE, it would be stupid for him not too. He is the face of TNA, and it makes zero sense to praise the WWE. John Cena routinely bashes TNA, yet no one says anything about him in a negative fashion.

And please, to call Kurt Angle a bad human being, yet defend guys like Triple H and Shawn Michaels is pure revisionist history. Get off the paying your dues crap, the guys played politics and ran all of their man adversaries out of the WWE. Seriously, check the background of the guys your defending before you put them on a high pedestal. When vince McMahon told Kurt Angle that his Gold Medals don't mean shit, that shows how out of it Vince McMahon is. That Gold Medal carries more weight then a spinner belt any day of the week. And Shawn Michaels is soft, he bitches when guys rough him up. Kevin Kelly has even said that the guy is soft. He's a damn good perfomer, but he bitches and holds people back if they go to stiff on him, this is nothing new.

[Capt. Charisma]

I listened to the interview and he's said nothing that either isn't true, or anything that hasn't been said by people before. He wasn't angry in the interview, I wouldn't even say bitter, the interviewer asked him about WWE and he answered truthfully. If Angle had stayed with WWE theres a good chance he could of fliped out like Benoit did.

He's hardly attacking WWE, His main criticisms of WWE are 1)That HHH and HBK have too much of a say in running the company and 2)That WWE and Vince expects too much of there wrestlers. So what? I hear these arguments on this forum every day by the very people who are saying Angle is bitter, and he's out of order for saying this. Maybe he's just been objective and looking at the situation in the WWE honestly and how he see's it.

As for Kurt not wanting to go back to WWE he says in the interview the only way he would go back to WWE was on a aprt time schedule if TNA fold, which it won't. Certainly not before Angle is way past his best. Anlge isn't been ungrateful he's been truthful, just like when a WWE superstar knocks TNA on a weekly basis in an interview. Angle off his high horse? The only person in wrestling at the moment on there high horse is HHH at least Angle puts over young talent. I mean cmmon HHH hasn't got a clue what he's talking about, angle says in that interview that HHH mentioned to him a couple of years back that Batista was going to be the future of WWE!

The full interview is here for anyone who hasn't listened, it's a decent interview actualy- http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/wrestling/article908680.ece

[blackhart07]

People are blowing this way out of porportion. He said that HHH has to much say in things. WOW thats a shock like no one has said that. He said that HBK does to much politicing, who would have ever thought that. Cmon this is the WWE were talking about Kurt Angle tells them to kiss his ass that is nuthin compared to what other guys have done. Look at guys like Bret, he knocked Vince out and still managed to meet with him again. Sammartino and Billy Graham tried to ruin his company. Vince has made peace with Billy and has done everything he could to get Bruno to do some kind of DVD. The WWE is full of forgivness. And the WWE also realizes that Kurt has made alot of money for them and still could, they realize that he cant still give younger guys matches that HHH and HBK could only dream of. The WWE still knows hes the best pure wrestler on the world today and would hire him back right away. And Kurt does not need the WWE, he could go over to Japan where he would be treated like a god work half as much and still make a ton of money. He could work the indies or try his hand in MMA.

[rKo0019]

I think Kurt Angle has legitimate gripes with Vince McMahon and the WWE. Look at what they did to him his last few months with the company:

First, they have him lose the World Heavyweight Title at Wrestlemania to charity case Rey Mysterio. Watch that match again, though. Angle was the most cheered performer in that match. He was way over, even booked as the heel.

Then the whole "new" ECW forms and Kurt gets sent to the "C" show. On top of all that, they stick him in a lackluster feud with Randy Orton. I cannot bring myself to watch those matches again, there was no momentum. Horrible feud.

Couple that with the touring schedule, and wear and tear on his body. Of course, every wrestler goes through this, blah blah blah. But he went to Vince and asked him for a lighter schedule, like Undertaker has had for the past 4 years or so. Of course, he got turned down.

Is that any decent way to treat an Olympic gold medalist, a guy who has held nearly every title in your company, and given you some of the greatest matches and feuds, not only in your company, but ever?

There are those that say Angle was addicted to painkillers and was having drug problems. This should have been more incentive for Vince to lighten his schedule. If you think one of your top stars is gonna blow up at any minute, get him some help, or give him time to help himself.

All these factors: losing the title even while being way over, getting degraded to the "C" show and thrust into a boring feud with Orton, the schedule (and time away from his family), not having time to deal with your body and your drug problems, even having asked for it....all these factors give Angle reason to tell Vince to "kiss his ass".

Of course, any wrestler goes through these types of problems, they go with the business. But HHH and HBK never complain about their spots in the company, etc. Of course, if Kurt Angle ever decides or is forced to go back to work for the WWE, he should be welcomed back. They owe him.

[WWEIsLife]

They Owe him? they owe him what? I guess you forgot that Angle came into the WWF/E in Late 1999 and by 2000 was one of the Top Heels by then. He also won the WWE Title, IC Title/European Title,Tag Titles,King Of The Ring,WCW Title,WCW US Title,and World Heavyweight Title. The only thing you are looking at is his last year before he left in September of 2006.

[Kcorthe]

But he went to Vince and asked him for a lighter schedule, like Undertaker has had for the past 4 years or so. Of course, he got turned down.

That is only what Kurt Angle himself has told us all.

I respect the hell out of Angle as an athlete and a wrestler...but the last few years he has lost a lot of my respect as a person.

If he had problems w/ WWE and/or Vince...then fine, leave. But when he leaves and then talks so much shit about them for months and even over a year, he just sounds bitter and like a whiner.

And didn't he complain about Triple H and all of his political power backstage in WWE.....yet, isn't Kurt doing the EXACT same thing over in TNA?

[jtbsoon2b]

WWE made kurt angle, not the other way around! they were there before him and they will be there long after him. WWE doesn't owe him anything, he owes them for everything!

[Uncle Sam]

Kurt Angle is one of my favourite wrestlers ever and I don't think he deserves half the stuff he gets hit with, sometimes because people are feeling malicious, sometimes because people are just assuming a hell of a lot. However, yes, Kurt Angle has been very ungrateful to the WWE. There's not questioning that. I do think he left on quite bitter terms though, and may have good reasoning to be ungrateful, as has been mentioned. There's no denying that the WWE made him the star he is today, but if they did treat him badly, as it seems they did - on and off camera - he's probably within his rights to bash his former employers a bit, no?

[L4L]

Kurt angle owes the WWE NOTHING!!!!! They wanted him he went there cause the money was there. The WWE didn't make Kurt Angle Angle made angle by winning the Olympics plain and simple. He owes them the credit of making him look like a jackass on TV thats it.

[Ryukuma]

Yeah but look, you have plenty of other superstars who have left the company, and they dont constantly bash the Wwe. They may say something about it the first time, but later on they just thank Wwe for the run, and thats the end of it. I don't care if he bashes people, but he should at least thank the company for the start.

[Uncle Sam]

Kurt angle owes the WWE NOTHING!!!!! They wanted him he went there cause the money was there. The WWE didn't make Kurt Angle Angle made angle by winning the Olympics plain and simple. He owes them the credit of making him look like a jackass on TV thats it.

While I agree that Angle technically doesn't owe the WWE anything, I'd disagree that Angle made Angle. I'm just going to name all the American olympic gold medallists I can: Kurt Angle. The point I'm trying to make is, without the WWE, Kurt Angle would probably just be some half-forgotten footnote in history that I'd have to go onto Wikipedia just to know about. Therefore, the WWE made Angle the star and the wrestler he is today. Does he owe them anything for that? No. Is he allowed to bash them? It makes him look like a bit of a dick, but yes. Without the WWE, would Kurt Angle be anything like the Kurt Angle we have today? Hell no.

[cacheton]

I don't think he's ungrateful, he has that boss mentality and he feels like he can't reach a higher level than he already has there.

Guys like HHH, HBK and Taker aren't giving up their spots so why not go to TNA and become their main guy?

A lot of guys on his level left around the a year's period, him, RVD, Jericho, Big Show, Booker, so there must be something more to it.

[Canadian Knight]

I like so many others wonder what is going through his head. His stardom is because of the WWE. Yes he got the medal on his own but he should never burn your bridges. After all there maybe a time when he is let go with TNA.

[mattropolis]

if he was treated like he says he was treated then more power to him. i have had jobs where i was held back and given the shaft and i quick and told them to..this is my first post i dunno how PG i have to be. but if what is said is true about trips and HBK and vince, i don't blame him a lick.

[NYSandman]

He turned down the WWE the first time they offered him a spot, and still they hired him. He asked to be let out of his contract because his drug infested body was destroyed, and then bolted to another company, from which he constantly bashes the WWE and Vince.

Kurt is a great performer, but he is ungrateful. After he won the Olympics, he was famous for about 24 microseconds, and we'd be saying "Kurt who?" now if it wasn't for the WWE. It is bad enough he left the way he did, and it's even worse that he now bashes the WWE.

When Jeff Jarrett becomes the next Eric Bishoff, blowing Vince in the back office for a job, it will be interesting to see what happens to Kurt. Or, with the way he looks, he might be the next wrestler found dead in a hotel from an O/D.

That would be a shame. But, he is acting like a total asshole.

[Luten]

This would be ok if Kurt wasn't an accomplished star and TNA was on par with WWE. Then he could have gone to TNA and bashed WWE all he wanted. Austin did the same when he was fired by WCW and cut awesome promos on ECW bashing them which got him noticed by WWE and made him a huge star. Whether Kurt would like to admit it or not WWE treated him very well, made him a huge star and made him a tonne of money, so in my opinion it's not cool that he's now bashing WWE.

A wise wrestler would move on and continue to do what he loves best in a different company and not say a bad word about his former employer...as has been prooved time and time again in the wrestling world, you never know what's right around the corner and one day Angle might be finding himself wanting to work for WWE again.

All that aside Kurt Angle has always been one of my all time favs and I actually prefer his role in TNA instead of him jumping from brand to brand in WWE to suit Mr H's needs.

[Los666]

In a way Kurt is ungrateful. He had what some would consider one of the best first years a newcomer can have in the WWE. He held the European and IC titles t the same time, won the King of the Ring Tourniment and won the WWE Title from the Rock 4 months later and held it for 4 months after that!

Of course Angle would have gained more if HHH hadn't been so jealous, but Angle was also involved in 2 Wrestlemania Main Events, how many wrestlers can say they've done that! Trips hated having Angle on the same brand as him, hence being put on ECW.

I can see Randy Orton being the next to leave because of HHH.

[The Deejish Invasion]

Triple H and Shawn Michaels are both notorious for their politics while Kurt wasn't really involved with that game. I do most definitely believe he was held down for the pure fact that he wasn't involved with politics and that there were several other wrestlers jealous of his abilities. Who wouldn't be jealous of him? If you're Triple H and you're already popular and establishing yourself as the face of the business, you're going to keep your eye on that one guy who has it all and is a better performer than you.

Are you kidding me?, im not defending bs politics but Kurt angle was hardly a saint, he politicked to get on smackdown and win the world title, politicked to get a push at the ecw title which was gonne be his but he tore his goin literally, you cant say angle didnt play the game like the rest of the locker room the only guys that dont are talented wrestlers that are being held back i.e benjamin or venis, the reason why angle left because he didnt get his way to carry ecw, so he left to tna to carry that company, the dude is a damn good wrestler but by no means a saint.

Remember, he's only trying to help sell the product that he is currently a part of by non sensicle interviews that say tna is better then the wwe, i remember one rant where he was quoted for saying that tna is beating smackdown, jeeez the guy needs to grow up and stop bashin vince, i know the wwe isnt fun for alot of guys who got worked to the bone but seriously you cant say that he was treated badly, he was one of the wwe's top wrestlers literally ran most of the year attacking cena for the wwe title, the company trained and built again, they made him a house hold name so in regards to bashing it makes him and tna look stupid especially with his d.u.i whilst holding a world title which if he was in the wwe he would of dropped to help save the company and teach him a lesson.

[grandfunkhickler]

In a way Kurt is ungrateful. He had what some would consider one of the best first years a newcomer can have in the WWE. He held the European and IC titles t the same time, won the King of the Ring Tourniment and won the WWE Title from the Rock 4 months later and held it for 4 months after that!

Of course Angle would have gained more if HHH hadn't been so jealous, but Angle was also involved in 2 Wrestlemania Main Events, how many wrestlers can say they've done that! Trips hated having Angle on the same brand as him, hence being put on ECW.

I can see Randy Orton being the next to leave because of HHH.

Randy Orton is where he is today because HHH handpicked kayfabe and in real life to be part of evolution and the long term plans were to have batista and orton eventual become champs which they both did multiple times. I'm a huge orton fan but he doesnt have the same charisma that most champs have and HHH was a big part of his push to where hes at today. HHH politicked for orton to beat cena for the title which unfortunately didnt happen due to the injury. I REALLY doubt orton will go to tna because of HHH.

[Cage917r]

I wouldn't say that Kurt is ungrateful, but he definetely takes the WWE bashing a little too far. I mean he makes WWE sound absolutely horrible, but it really isn't that bad. Yeah you are on the road all the time, yeah you take a physical beating, but it is your job, and when you are a star the level of Angle, you get paid very good for your job. You want to know why TNA is better to "work" for to Kurt, because he is at the same point in his career as all the other former WWE guys in TNA, excluding Christian. He has already done everything he could do in WWE, was financially found, thanks to WWE, TNA is like a retirement home for former WWE wrestlers, a retirement home that pays you decent money. Basically guys like Angle, Nash, ect. have taken a smaller workload, for a smaller amount of money, all they are doing is getting closer to there retirement, padding there pensions. Samoa Joe said it best during his rant, he meant every word he said.

Okay after the rant, all I am saying is Angle does go over the top when it comes to bashing WWE, the only TNA seems better is because its not on the same level as teh WWE.

[hulkamania_running_wild]

Kurt Angle is a ungrateful piece of trash, there as a reason why he was released. Kurt felt he was too good for ECW and kept on crying about his role in WWE. I also keep on hearing how he is going to wrestle Randy Couture, Angle would not make it in the MMA. Guys like Frank Mur or Randy Coture would take him out so fast. They call it MMA for a reason, it means you have more than one way of beating your opponents. All Angle has is a wrestling background.

[Esteban Ochocinco]

Oh Boy, this is going to be fun...

Kurt Angle is a ungrateful piece of trash, there as a reason why he was released. .

Like backstage politics keeping him held down, like wanting to have a lighter work schedule like said politickers had. Like wanting to have some influence since he was a proven main eventer that missed all of three months with injury in 6 years with the company, or the simply reason for his release, he asked for it and McMahon marks simply can't get over the fact that someone wanted to leave the WWE.

Kurt felt he was too good for ECW and kept on crying about his role in WWE. .

Only because he was a proven draw on Raw, getting bigger pops then the champion, was out popping both Cena and Mysterio, the two most over babyfaces in the company. He was a threat to said politician, and he attempted to bury him, so of course he was upset with that. Why wouldn't said Politician go to ECW and make it such a great company if he was so wonderful???


I also keep on hearing how he is going to wrestle Randy Couture, Angle would not make it in the MMA. Guys like Frank Mur or Randy Coture would take him out so fast. They call it MMA for a reason, it means you have more than one way of beating your opponents. All Angle has is a wrestling background.

You do realize that Kurt Angle is a gold medal Olympian. Not just an athlete, but best in the world at what he did. If Kurt trained just as hard as those guys, he would probably dominate MMA. Bar Room Fighters are a dime a dozen, but Gold Medalist are a rare gem.

[The_Mega_Powers]

Kurt Angle doesn't have the guts to get in the octagon, he hasn't backed up one word yet on his coming to MMA. Think about it Couture took out Tim Sylvia and is considered one of the best. Chuck Liddell siad it best when he bashed Angle. Angle needs to put up or shut up about MMA. In the MMA you need more than just wrestling to make it big, Kurt will have to learn some sort of martial art. The guys does have the heart and pride to learn but he honestly will never go to MMA.

[trunksjmd]

One of the things that I noticed he said which I know was not true is that if not for the wwe he could have done other stuff instead like go into mma because mma was offering him more money. Blaming the wwe for is mma miss out. MMA wasn't big enough back then when he joined wwf so there is no way they could have offered him a higher offer than wwe. And he choose wwf over MMA. Nobody forced him to do it.

[kenvin100]

I think Kurt has gone a bit far but its understandable. But what puzzles me is that WWE did give him a chance to take time off, but he chose not to, or so I heard? I think that was the main problem, its not like other true sports where there are breaks, but WWE is year round, right?

[hoodboilu4]

WWE makes Kurt a heel most of the time, and he doesn't have to put up with the trash talk some of the fans shout out at ringside in WWE. The only time I though Kurt was a good entertainer in WWE was the Kurt vs Cena stuff.

[darksideon]

The problem is not that kurt bashes the wwe, it's that he does it all the time like a girl that can't get over her ex. It's one thing to defend the product but it's gotten to the point where kurt puts more effort into bashing the wwe than put over tna. As far as him saying that tna is beating smackdown,

Smackdown avg 2.4 - TNA avg 1.0

That doesn't exactly look like they're winning hell they barely beat ecw. The bottom line is he just needs to shut up and wrestle because TNA has a long way to go before they can take on the wwf/e :undertaker2:

[rkopaton]

He sure does, He is a 5 time champion. He complains about politics but that is more World title's than HBK. I wouldn't be surprised if TNA is telling him to bash WWE at every turn because they need the attention

[Mister J]

I love it when guys like Angle and RVD stand up against WWE. WWE is no more superior than TNA or Japan in my eyes. I'm tired of the WWE marks thinking they are better than everyone else.

[The Deejish Invasion]

I love it when guys like Angle and RVD stand up against WWE. WWE is no more superior than TNA or Japan in my eyes. I'm tired of the WWE marks thinking they are better than everyone else.

how can you say that kurt is standing up against the wwe? Kurt Angle went on about not liking politics in the wwe, Jeff Jarrett wants this man to lead tna in a media direction like films and stuff, all i have to say is tna is in big trouble, the guy fabricates things too much, he basically rips the wwe but does the exact same thing in tna, and as far as im concerned i fear for his mental safety

[ianfromlondon]

i wrote about this because it was something i laughed at what angle said i shall quote it

One thing I don’t like is politics in wrestling. You’re going to have that, but here, if there are any, it’s very little. I’m the top guy and I’m not stopping anyone from coming up and taking my place. I want somebody to come up and take my place. In WWE it’s the opposite,” said Angle. “Everybody is trying to keep everybody else down


now correct me if im wrong but didnt angle start getting mad at wwe because they asked him to put over younger stars???

so in a way he is lying to wrestling fans or being told what to say by tna to make them look 'better'

when in all truth angle couldnt handle putting over younger guys but now he is with tna and relising he has nowhere else to go, now he changing what he used to say

thats my point to this and im sticking with what i think and thats kurt angle is a complete idiot

[TheOneBigWill]

I love it when guys like Angle and RVD stand up against WWE. WWE is no more superior than TNA or Japan in my eyes. I'm tired of the WWE marks thinking they are better than everyone else.

How can you not say the W.W.E. is the far superior company? T.N.A. has been around for 6 years, last time I checked W.W.E. has been around well over triple that. W.W.E. is a multi-BILLION dollar company that has branched out into movies, music & even the stock-market, while T.N.A. is just starting to branch out of Florida & Tennessee.

Kurt Angle was a former great in the W.W.E. that lied to them to get out of a contract, hes not better than anyone else who b*tches and complains about the W.W.E. Hes ungrateful because that company made him who he is, and he has the nerve to think he was anything before that.

All he was prehand was just some guy who won a Gold medal, news flash, hes NOT the only american Gold medal winner so its not like its unique. And T.N.A. fans love Kurt Angle because of everything he became in the W.W.E., not the Olympics.

As far as Japan goes, I don't know much about them or their federation but I do know their fans are far superior and enjoy classic, good-quality wrestling. T.N.A. might rival W.W.E. by their talent, but Japan owns both companies in regards to in-ring wrestling quality.

[RVD KAMALA 440]

Shortly after Angle joined TNA he said in an interview aired on iMPACT! that Vince McMahon told him to his face when he first signed with WWE that his Olympic gold medal "Didn't mean shit". Only Kurt Angle knows what experiences and circumstances he faced in the WWE, we the fans don't, and can't, know all of the details of his time there. Granted, Angle does, in my opinion, seem like an extemely competetive hot head, and the fact remains that WWE is still the big dance for pro wrestling. But I'm glad to hear his insulting comments, just as I'm glad to see TNA succeed, because monopoly of any industry by one all powerful entity is NEVER a good thing. Over the years, Vince's ego, fueled by his monopoly of pro wrestling, has been blatantly obvious in the way WWE tries to cram characters and storylines down the fans throats. Why? Because without any alternatives, the fans have no choice but to accept whatever nonsense WWE is putting on, and Vince knows it! At least now, with TNA on the rise, wrestling fans have a choice. I personally hope TNA rises up and kicks WWE's ass off! :007:

TNA can take over but they gotta do everything perfectly, but when they take 1 step forward, they keep taking 1-2 steps back. But hey, what about all the times the suits at stamford being ungrateful to a lot of their wrestlers? Hogan for example. After what all he's done for them & in 96 they mock him with the huckster. He got back at them calling them a XXX porn channel & they still took him back in 2002 even though a lotta fans & other wrestlers didn't want him back. And i'm not a Hogan fan...or worse, a Hogan myopian.
They coulda had Angle do a light schedule like they did with Hogan if they wanted to. Let some other wrestlers get their shine while Angle rests some. In the 80's & 90's Hogan was never on Superstars or Wrestling Challenge. He only showed up on SNME or the PPV's. Angle didn't wanna end up dead like Eddie for wrestling too much. Like the Rock, there's nothing else for Angle 2 do there. He won titles a lot. I'm tired of Angle but i'm glad he gave them a dose of their own medicine.:)

[BigMike1994]

I love it when guys like Angle and RVD stand up against WWE. WWE is no more superior than TNA or Japan in my eyes. I'm tired of the WWE marks thinking they are better than everyone else.

Umm what? WWE not as superior than TNA or Japan for that matter? do you know that lies make baby Jesus cry! How can you say something so absurd? as stated above WWE is a multi billion dollar company they have the best talent in wrestling today and also the largest roster, the titles are as evenly balanced out as they can possibly be (they could try a bit harder I know) and there worldwide where as TNA isn't WWE is far superior to TNA and I doubt TNA will get up to the level WWE is at today because WWE will eventually by them out.

[Rocklover4life]

Well, I think Kurt has a right to b!tch about the WWE because Vince is known for screwing over alot of those wrestlers. Vince doesn't give a damn about anything. All he wants is to keep the ratings up and his wallet fat....that's it.

The Rock did the right thing...........get the hell out while the gettin is still good.

[thachozenonebx]

I am soo sick and tired of kurt bad mouthing the WWE. My feeling is..GET OVER IT KURT. you are making more money and working less dates...why do you sound sooo bitter. This is a better situation for you. WWE sux but so does TNA. Why doesnt kurt worry about his own house. Stupid gimmicks, bad booking and under utilizing their own talent

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

All due respect to the Wrestling Machine but why would i want to listen to his views after he stated that he was leaving WWE to recover from neck problems he's had over the years and is then seen wrestling for the competition two weeks later? Being demoted to ECW as well as the work schedule affecting his family life is obviously why Kurt left, and the only reason we hear about every other week is probably because TNA encourage it. If they're going to get WWE guys in trouble, turn up at fan events and try to fly a plane over Mania 24, why wouldn't they encourage ex-WWE talent to slag off their previous employer? Why do we never hear Team 3D or Booker T complaining about WWE when Nash and Angle never shut up about it? Christian Cage never got a decent main event run in WWE yet i've never seen a single article or web post of his talking about how terrible it was working for Vince, so what's the deal?

[HellBoundPower]

I personally think that Kurt Angle just has sour grapes. WWE made him a star in professional wrestling. Granted he earned his way up, and had all the tools to be successful. But WWE booked him good, and presented the platform on which he would use to become a household name. I think Kurt seems more than a bit ungrateful. He's VERY ungrateful. I can understand him being angry over Vince not letting him get some time off to recover, but WWE was plagued with injuries when he wanted the time off. The man basically lied to the WWE, making them think he would come back, so that he could leave and have a reduced schedule in TNA. More power to the guy. But it is totally unnecessary to rag on WWE because of his own personal problems. I think he needs to get over it and consentrate on making TNA a successful company, instead of wasting his time taking pot shots at WWE.

[Mr Hulkamania]

I think Kurt Angle has lost a lot of respect for the WWE which is just not right considering they gave him the time to become as he as he did in the wrestling world because he was no where near great in the WWE when he first came yeah he had a wrestling back ground.

WWE made Kurt Angle a huge household name which I am sure he wil forever be. I hope one day we will see him back in the WWE?

[Youalreadyknow420]

I think Kurt Angle has lost a lot of respect for the WWE which is just not right considering they gave him the time to become as he as he did in the wrestling world because he was no where near great in the WWE when he first came yeah he had a wrestling back ground.

WWE made Kurt Angle a huge household name which I am sure he wil forever be. I hope one day we will see him back in the WWE?

Are you guys serious? Angle is the best wrestler in pro wrestling today. WWE has a tendacy to stick with the same 3 people for top guys . In all reality 1 out of 3 of them are actually good. How can you say hhh(a man who wouldn't be shyt without his whore of a wife)deserves to be champ or in the main event when you can do so much with angle.And angle is 100x better than him. Instead we got john cena making this man submit to a horribly done move. Hbk couldn't hang with angle. Dude was bytching angle is to rough with him and might actually injury him.(str8 p**sy). Angle isn't wwe material and thats whats burns him .wwe material is batista , cena , hhh. wwe like big muscular men who have no wrestling skills and know how kiss ass when times comes. How can you fire this man for a issue Jeff Hardy , orton , master amoung other has had but i don't hear orton in rehab . I see him with a title same with one of the crappiest wrestler of all time jeff hardy.( and it was drinking that got this moron suspended this time) And don't tell me how dedicated to the business hhh is cuz if you notice he wouldn't of been no where near 12x champ before he met his whore.at most he would of been 4x champ at most. (undertaker is the only one other than edge and orton out of the main eventer that are good and worked hard to get where their at.)

[Youalreadyknow420]

All due respect to the Wrestling Machine but why would i want to listen to his views after he stated that he was leaving WWE to recover from neck problems he's had over the years and is then seen wrestling for the competition two weeks later? Being demoted to ECW as well as the work schedule affecting his family life is obviously why Kurt left, and the only reason we hear about every other week is probably because TNA encourage it. If they're going to get WWE guys in trouble, turn up at fan events and try to fly a plane over Mania 24, why wouldn't they encourage ex-WWE talent to slag off their previous employer? Why do we never hear Team 3D or Booker T complaining about WWE when Nash and Angle never shut up about it? Christian Cage never got a decent main event run in WWE yet i've never seen a single article or web post of his talking about how terrible it was working for Vince, so what's the deal?

Damn look ok he went to TNA cuz he has a lighter schedule. He can now take breaks from his work to rest . WWE schedule is awful . Booker already said what made him leave . He said like rvd and others HHH is a cockface. His ego was why he beat booker at SS. it was supose to be jerry lawyler and him not hhh.

[buddy_z34]

i to get tired of hearing crap from Angle and Nash. the WWE made these guys who they are today. yes Angle was an olympic gold medalist but he wouldnt be nearly as famous as he is today. being a gold medalist only gives you your 15 minutes of fame and that is all.

who cares about your vigorous work schedule!!!! what about the truck drivers who are on the road for weeks at a time? or the soldiers in Iraq? or the underpaid Teachers and Police Officers? there are far more worse jobs out there than being a wrestler.

yes you might of needed time off for your injuries to heal but the way you did it was cowardness IMO. why lie to them saying you'll be back when you know you're not. atleast Vince had the balls to tell you to your face that you wouldnt get the time of then and there.

Nash is a has-been and needs to go and help out his friend Scott Hall. Nash has no business in the ring anymore. its almost like watching the Great Khali trying to wrestle.

[RBH]

Are you guys serious? Angle is the best wrestler in pro wrestling today. WWE has a tendacy to stick with the same 3 people for top guys . In all reality 1 out of 3 of them are actually good. How can you say hhh(a man who wouldn't be shyt without his whore of a wife)deserves to be champ or in the main event when you can do so much with angle.And angle is 100x better than him. Instead we got john cena making this man submit to a horribly done move.

Hbk couldn't hang with angle. Dude was bytching angle is to rough with him and might actually injury him.(str8 p**sy). Angle isn't wwe material and thats whats burns him .wwe material is batista , cena , hhh. wwe like big muscular men who have no wrestling skills and know how kiss ass when times comes. How can you fire this man for a issue Jeff Hardy , orton , master amoung other has had but i don't hear orton in rehab . I see him with a title same with one of the crappiest wrestler of all time jeff hardy.( and it was drinking that got this moron suspended this time) And don't tell me how dedicated to the business hhh is cuz if you notice he wouldn't of been no where near 12x champ before he met his whore.at most he would of been 4x champ at most. (undertaker is the only one other than edge and orton out of the main eventer that are good and worked hard to get where their at.)

First of all, Triple-H was a main eventer long before he got involved with Stephanie (They dated back in 2001-2002 before they got married and Trips became Champ for the first time in 2000.) I detest how some posters could be so ignorant about Triple-H's backstory and make such bullshit about him...yes he did get more titles because of his influence youre not wrong about that...but he was a maon eventer before.


Getting back to the topic at hand...Kurt Angle, Goldberg and Nash are all the same. They are bitter towards a former employer because things did not work as they thought it would. Honest to God though, if Kurt had stayed with WWE, this is what would have happened. He would be wrestling a match and in the middle of the match, he would have died. Why do i say this? Because you all remember at the time Kurt was on painkillers and taking enough of those can cause anyone to suffer.



You have obviously never seen an HBK match in your life or you would not say something so ignorant. Face Facts! HBk is one of the greatest performers to be in WWE in a long time. Hes contsnalt pulling great matches out of his ass and entertaining the crowd to no end. So you say no one in WWE can perform? I guess Or MVP or Mr. Kennedy or Edge....or HBK....you did mention Taker so you do know some stuff...but you quickly forget that the attitude era which was a few years back had some good entertainers who werent the best wrestlers (Rock, Austin, Foley sound familiar?) Rob Van dam also enjoyed his time (He has not said ONE BAD WORD about Vince or WWE). he would have been a multiple time champ had he not fucked it up by doing marijuana.

WWE is in a rebuilding process right now. While you are right about big men dominating because Vince has a weird obsession with them, the fact remains that things are slowly changing. Orton was given an opportunity (he did have only 2 strikes)....and now hes behaving. Almost everyone on the roster is behaving. And yes I will give u that crap about how HHH is one of the hardest workers on the roster. He has also put over many ppl.
1. Batista
2. Orton
3. Benoit
4. Hardy
to name a few
I am by no means a Kurt Angle hater...Im justa fan who doesnt worship and kiss the mans ass like many others.

[OffTheRopRope]

Yeah, Kurt seems to be taking the bashing a little bit too far. In every interview he gets on his snobby 'i'm the man' trip, slams the WWE product, then makes some outlandish comment about TNA like 'impact will beat raw in the ratings within a year' or something along those lines. Kurt would not be the entertainer he currently is, without those years in WWE where he learned the craft and earned his real star power. He is the top man in TNA, but then anyone can bust out the 'big fish in a small pond' metaphor.

[buddy_z34]

Kurt is a hypocrite........from one of his interviews bashing the WWE he said he was tired of wrestlings guys like Cena and Batista. but recently hes been saying that having a guy like Lashley coming over to TNA will help.

oh wait a minute Kurt i thought you were tired of wrestlings guys that are typical WWE material.(big)

thats right cause it'll benefit you and the company you work for right.

this kind of crap is what keeps me from watching TNA. all the WWE bashing and what not.

[Kfabe]

I don't understand some of you people..?
Kurt Angle was totally burned out, he was borderline addicted to pain killers, the doctors were telling him he was at risk of ending up in a wheelchair, yet McMahon refused to give him time off.
Undertaker was given time off when he needed it, yet he wasn't nearly as hurt as Angle.

WWE are the hypocrites here, they like to boast publicly how they are so strict with their wellness policy and treat ALL their wrestlers right, yet they tried to run Angle into the ground.
Lets not forget, Angle had no intention of leaving when he asked for time off, it was only when he was refused it that he decided to go.

I'd love to hear what the conversation would be if one of you guys were told you could be paralised or worse, then your employer told you to carry on as you are. What when your sick? Do you have time off work? Hell yeah, does your employer make you still come into work? Hell NO.

Then again, I'd have to question if some of you are even in work. Some of you sound like you must still be in school to be that ignorant of a mans health.

Kurt has every right to be pissed at WWE for the way they have allowed him to be made the villain in all of this. Screw WWE, screw McMahon, screw the SMARKS...

Pathetic!

[TheOneBigWill]

I don't understand some of you people..?
Kurt Angle was totally burned out, he was borderline addicted to pain killers, the doctors were telling him he was at risk of ending up in a wheelchair, yet McMahon refused to give him time off.

Yet this is why the W.W.E. WILLINGLY released Kurt Angle out of his contract, instead of kept him in it. Angle could've easily said he wasn't going to compete and sat out. W.W.E. couldn't force him to do anything, especially if his body was as hurt as you claim and it likely was.

However, Kurt Angle must not have been TOO badly hurt, to show up on T.N.A.'s door-step looking for scraps a mere couple of weeks after he was released outta contract.

Lets not forget, Angle had no intention of leaving when he asked for time off, it was only when he was refused it that he decided to go.

Once again, Angle was LET OUT OF HIS CONTRACT! You don't just up and decide one day.. "I refuse to work for you, my contract is over with you." Shit don't work that way, son. You signed on the dotted line to work your ass to the bone until that contract agreement is up.

The only way you get out of that contract is by breaking it and being sued, or by your employer releasing you from it.

So since Angle's bank account doesn't seem to be smaller (outside of less money from T.N.A.) from the looks of it, it seems like Angle played W.W.E. for a fool and gave them the whole issue of being on his death bed.. then bam, they felt sorry for the guy, let him go.. and he screws them by signing with T.N.A. before a month later.

Kurt has every right to be pissed at WWE for the way they have allowed him to be made the villain in all of this. Screw WWE, screw McMahon, screw the SMARKS...

Pathetic!

Uhm yeah.. Angle had every right to be upset at the W.W.E. for making him one of wrestling's biggest names. Oh no, forbid that they'd ever do such a thing.

Lets completely forget about the fact that Angle played sick to get outta working for them, then lied blatantly to them about saying he'd be back, only to go to the other company and stab the W.W.E. in the back for everything they did for him.

You know what, Angle jumped ship.. because he realized what everyone else is coming to understand. Angle is aging, and the W.W.E. wouldn't of kept him in the Main stream spotlight. Which is why he was slated to be the big name on the 3rd brand. Angle hated NOT having the spotlight, so he jumped ship to a company that he KNEW would build everything around him, because their biggest star outside of that.. was an indy worker, and a former W.W.E. midcarder.

[Mighty NorCal]

And chances are, the entire TNA plan was in motion far before he was released. Lets be serious here. Lawyers, and contracts dont work like that, not that fast. Angle was APPEARING on TNA not but mere weeks after his release. If you belive that this wasnt in motion for the second he was drafted by ECW, then I have some swampland in Utah I wanna sell you. So I dont buy the whole Angle is excused to say crazy shit becuase he was so mistreated, not for a second. He mistreated the WWE just as much as they mistreated him.

[Undercurrent]

I have been reading that many claim the WWE made Kurt Angle but that's not fully correct. He made himself as an Amateur Wrestler who later won a gold medal. The WWE gave him the opportunity he needed to make himself a household name but I completely disagree and frankly am annoyed with those who claim the WWE made him. Kurt Angle is far too outspoken in regards to the WWE but in many ways I fully support his claims.

[TheOneBigWill]

I have been reading that many claim the WWE made Kurt Angle but that's not fully correct. He made himself as an Amateur Wrestler who later won a gold medal. The WWE gave him the opportunity he needed to make himself a household name

You contridicted yourself. Does that NOT mean that they in-turn, infact made Kurt Angle who he is today?

Amateur Gold Medalist or not.. Kurt Angle was unknown to 80% or more of the Pro Wrestling universe and until the W.W.F. MADE him.. he wasn't anything more than 1 step above Mark Henry, with a medal instead of scratching out.

but I completely disagree and frankly am annoyed with those who claim the WWE made him. Kurt Angle is far too outspoken in regards to the WWE but in many ways I fully support his claims.

Kurt Angle is a hypocrite. Doesn't mean I won't like him in T.N.A., but it does mean that he is only running his mouth because he doesn't intend on returning to the W.W.E.

Infact, I guarantee you if.. or when.. T.N.A. 'bellies up' watch and see if Kurt Angle doesn't retract every negative thing he said about W.W.E., and suddenly turns to bitch and moan about T.N.A.

All Angle is doing, is supporting his own career. Practically nothing he says holds truth, its all just useless words filled in an interview, to boast his current company over his former company.

[OIL]

Kurt Angle is a hypocrite. Doesn't mean I won't like him in T.N.A., but it does mean that he is only running his mouth because he doesn't intend on returning to the W.W.E.

Infact, I guarantee you if.. or when.. T.N.A. 'bellies up' watch and see if Kurt Angle doesn't retract every negative thing he said about W.W.E., and suddenly turns to bitch and moan about T.N.A.


I have to agree with you there mate. When TNA does go out of business, Kurt Angle will have nowhere to go. He is too old and injured to go into UFC/MMA. He would get killed over there. And I doubt the WWE are going to take him back, because he would be useless because of his medical problems, and his attitude problems.

He runs his mouth so much about how TNA is so much better than the WWE, but if TNA IS better than the WWE, then why aren't the top, meaningful guys in the WWE jumping ship to TNA? I hardly call Christy Hemme, Tomko, Christian, Booker T, Gail Kim or Kurt Angle top superstars in terms of the WWE.

I guess you could argue for Booker T, as he was involved in a few major storylines.

So all in all, Angle is ungrateful to the WWE, because he thinks he is king of the wrestling business. Got some news for ya Kurt, you're done.

[Kfabe]

Lets completely forget about the fact that Angle played sick to get outta working for them, then lied blatantly to them about saying he'd be back, only to go to the other company and stab the W.W.E. in the back for everything they did for him.

Oh I'm sorry, I forgot that when a qualified doctor tells you that you risk ending up paralised or worse, it should be ignored as mis-information.

Angles own reasons for leaving:

The doctors advised him he needed time off. Angle asked McMahon for it but was declined. Angle then decided to leave WWE so he asked McMahon for his release so he could recouperate. Release granted, TNA offer Angle a deal, why shouldn't he accept?

He can have the time to recouperate with TNA so can still earn his money without the risk of his health. (he IS entitled to take care of his family isn't he?)

WWE wasn't interested in Angles health, they were only interested in the money they could make off him. So what is the difference when Angle looks to take care of HIS money situation.

There is a hell of a lot of double standards on this thread, but then again, most of the posters are WWE marks so I expect it.

I'd be pissed too if my employer was half killing me. I'd do what I had to do to get out of it.
And if any of you lot claim that you wouldn't lie if you had to, to get away from an employer who is half killing you to go to one who will take care of you PLUS pay you more, then your a goddamn fucking lier.

[The_Truth]

Kurt definitely has been showing a lot of negativity towards the WWE any chance that he gets lately. I understand that he is PRO TNA all the way but I know that it wasn't that bad for him during all of his WWE years. The man had some great classic matches that defined his career over there. He may have gone through some b.s. Behind the curtain but he does seem really bitter about something. Who knows....

*I decided to read some of the many responses and I do remember hearing about the WWE not really taking care of him when his injuries were acting up. I would be bitter and defiant to my former employer as well.

[ch46745]

Kurt Angle needs to realize who really put him on the pro wrestling map and made one of the best wrester ever. He acts like TNA made him who he is today. If it wasen't for the WWE would we have gave a damn about him in TNA like we do now, I doubt that. For people saying that he is way better than Triple H and Shawn Micheals( which is 2nd to Ric Flair as one of the best performing wrestlers of all time), if it wasen't for his historic matches with Micheals and his big time fude with Triple H earlier in his carrier would we even look at him as one of the best now NO!

[Esteban Ochocinco]

Kurt Angle needs to realize who really put him on the pro wrestling map and made one of the best wrester ever. He acts like TNA made him who he is today. If it wasen't for the WWE would we have gave a damn about him in TNA like we do now, I doubt that. For people saying that he is way better than Triple H and Shawn Micheals( which is 2nd to Ric Flair as one of the best performing wrestlers of all time), if it wasen't for his historic matches with Micheals and his big time fude with Triple H earlier in his carrier would we even look at him as one of the best now NO!

Yeah, because we only want to throw out the fact that his matches with Benoit, Jericho, Rock and the Undertaker were much better then his feud with Triple H in 2000. Or the fact that his feud with Austin, Benoit, and Edge were also much better then his feud with Triple H.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read to be honest. To say that Kurt Angle's career was built around his matches with the Kliq is just dumb. Just throw out any match with Brock, Undertaker, Rock, Austin, Benoit, John Cena, etc. etc...

[Kfabe]

Lol, well ulimately wrestling is a job. And just like any everyday person working a job, Kurt chose to go with the better one for him. What is wrong with that?

I understand both sides of the argument yet I side with Angle due to the hypocracy of WWE and its fans on the matter.
Its OK for WWE to rip on Angle about the situation. A guy who gave 110% for the company (noboday can argue that). Yet when Angle rips WWE, hes tarnished as the ungrateful one!
Then we have the WWE marks constantly putting down TNA and saying WWE take no notice of them, TNA are no threat to them...
So why was WWE pissed at him joining then? Why are the fans bothered if it doesn't matter?
Its one or the other guys.

Also look at the double standards when it comes to WWE's own top guys.
Triple H was given his major break by WCW before he jumped over to WWE. When at WWE he ripped on WCW on a weekly basis as part of DX, yet that was OK?
Nobody thinks thats ungrateful?
Well neither do I, yet its no different from the Angle situation. Apart from the fact that Angle has the odd dig at WWE for not looking after him (which is true), but HHH went for all out war on WCW as a token of his gratitude.

Angle was offered more money for less work and top place ion a company who takes care of him. How many of you would not do the same?
Again, what is the problem with you people? Your ripping on a guy on behalf of a BILLIONAIRE and a cut throat company who has took away hundreds of peoples livelyhoods while getting to the top. A company and a man that has single handedly destroyed the indipendant wrestling indusrty in America. A man that double crossed how many people over the years.

Its nice when these people get a taste of their own medicine every now and then.

[Instant Classic]

Indeed it is funny especially when the same people that are so anti-WWE for the Benoit situation are applauding WWE's decision to refuse Kurt a lighter schedule to A)Heal his injuries (neck) and B)To go into rehab because of his painkiller addiction. The simple fact is if Kurt had not left there is a good possibility that he could have ended up in a similar situation to Benoit. People should read or listen to some of Kurts interviews on this rather than making assumptions about a topic they know nothing about. Kurt doesn't come across as ungrateful one bit if you listen to the interviews, most of his criticisms are valid and related to the matter of him not been allowed to work a light schedule, and miss house shows.

[Davi323]

Also look at the double standards when it comes to WWE's own top guys.
Triple H was given his major break by WCW before he jumped over to WWE. When at WWE he ripped on WCW on a weekly basis as part of DX, yet that was OK?
Nobody thinks thats ungrateful?
Well neither do I, yet its no different from the Angle situation. Apart from the fact that Angle has the odd dig at WWE for not looking after him (which is true), but HHH went for all out war on WCW as a token of his gratitude.


Wait...did I miss something? You consider Terra Rizing to be his big break? Seriously? Being a lower mid carder who jumps ship, and continues to be a lower mid carder until given his chance in the other company is hardly comparable to Kurt Angle, who was made one of the biggest Superstars the WWE had, before jumping ship. HHH was a schmuck in WCW, and the WWF/E made him the star he is. Kurt Angle was already a star when he left WWE for TNA. Why should HHH be grateful for WCW? They made him a jobber. Why should Angle be grateful for WWE? Because they made him their multiple time champion. If not for the WWE, TNA would not have had any interest in Angle, and he wouldn't be getting paid what he is. If not for WCW, HHH would have been...well...still HHH. Considering most people couldn't even tell you HHH was ever in WCW, WCW's impact on his WWF/E career is negligible. Completely the opposite of TNA, who signed a high priced free agent, who was already a household name.

[Kfabe]

Wait...did I miss something? You consider Terra Rizing to be his big break?.
Yes I do. He was working for the biggest promotion in the world at that time. He was getting TV time. He was known by the fans who followed the WCW product (which at the time amounted to MILLIONS and MILLIONS).
It was his first shot at a "proper" company therefore, irrespective of his status or position on the card, it was his big break.
Look at that new skinny guy on ECW at the moment who has just won his contract (don't really watch WWE anymore so don't know his name). He has debuted and gone months without even ONE win yet you would still consider that this is his big break is it not? Whats the difference clever dick?

Seriously?.
Yes "seriously," I never noticed a "only joking" comment on my last post... seriusly, whats wrong with you people always trying to argue?


Considering most people couldn't even tell you HHH was ever in WCW, WCW's impact on his WWF/E career is negligible. Completely the opposite of TNA, who signed a high priced free agent, who was already a household name.

Considering most people couldn't even tell you AJ Styles first started in WCW, it doesn't take anything away from the fact it was WCW who gave him his first break in a mainstream company...
Again, whats the difference?
Be it a major push or carreer as a jobber, the fact is a break is a break.

[Davi323]

There is a difference between getting your break, and being a true superstar. You could say the Atlanta Falcons gave Brett Favre his big break too...but, Favre didn't become Favre until he got to Green Bay. Atlanta can't take credit for turning Favre into one the greatest QBs in NFL history, just like Eric Bischoff can't take credit for Triple H. Vince McMahon however, CAN take credit for turning Kurt Angle into the superstar he is. TNA is just living off of the reputation Angle made in the WWE.

Just because you start out somewhere, doesn't mean they made you a star. Paul Levesque was not a star when he left WCW for WWF. Kevin Nash wasn't recognizable to most people as Oz, or Vinnie Vegas, two worthless gimmicks, so WCW can't take credit for the success of the Diesel character...It was the success of Diesel that allowed the Kevin Nash of the nWo, not his former (lack of) success as Vinnie Vegas. He was average at best in WCW, then the WWE made him a top level star, then WCW resigned him as that star. I can play the Who made Who game longer, if you want...Wrestling is filled with stories of guys getting their start somewhere, and then getting famous somewhere else. Triple H is that guy. Kurt Angle is not that guy. Kurt Angle got his start in the WWE, and got famous in the WWE.

Kurt Angle was elevated to the highest position within the company while a member of the WWE. He was given the World title multiple times, unlike the enormous success of Terra Rizing. I am sorry, but you are wrong. There is a vast difference between taking a wrestler and turning him into a superstar and just signing a wrestler that is already a superstar. Perhaps if you were focusing on someone like Christian, who, while in the WWE was never able to get past mid-card status, and then got elevated to main event level in TNA, I could see your point. But, Kurt Angle was as big a name in wrestling as it got in the WWE, and he should thank his lucky stars every day that he went to the WWE first, and got made, and got paid.

[WJX]

I think kurt takes it too far with his WWE bashing. Granted he'd be a big deal even without wwe given the gold medal and all, but they really made him a star. Had he never been tehre, he'd never dominate tna the way he does now. I understand that TNA pays him now and is basically his competition, but there's no need to run him into the ground. If TNA folds and he still wants to wrestle, where does he go? He might get back into wwe, but i can't imagine vince's ego would let him be a main eventer for that long.

Yeah completley agree last night at the House Show in Liverpool for TNA he came out and did a promo and went on how Vince McMahon can kiss his arse and to be fair, why say that for a company that made you in the wrestling business (not amateur wrestling)

[HBK-aholic]

Hmm I don't know. It's a tough one to side on either side of because to be perfectly honest none of us know the whole story. I mean, on the surface Angle doesn't seem to be grateful to the WWE and what it did for him. But at the same time Angle is definitely great enough to have made it somewhere else if he hadn't been in the WWE. It's the same argument with The Rock really. Should he have to keep mentioning the WWE and returning etc etc? In normal jobs people have once they leave, they move on.

But also, maybe Angle has a right to be ungrateful. There maybe something that is being kept quiet from the public ad is personal between Angle and McMahon. We can't jump to conclusions that Angle is being ungrateful until we know every part of the story which seems incredibly unlikely will ever come out.

[WJX]

Hmm I don't know. It's a tough one to side on either side of because to be perfectly honest none of us know the whole story. I mean, on the surface Angle doesn't seem to be grateful to the WWE and what it did for him. But at the same time Angle is definitely great enough to have made it somewhere else if he hadn't been in the WWE. It's the same argument with The Rock really. Should he have to keep mentioning the WWE and returning etc etc? In normal jobs people have once they leave, they move on.

But also, maybe Angle has a right to be ungrateful. There maybe something that is being kept quiet from the public ad is personal between Angle and McMahon. We can't jump to conclusions that Angle is being ungrateful until we know every part of the story which seems incredibly unlikely will ever come out.

From interviews ive seen and im not denying there may be two sides to every story, from what i hear is Angle was too beat up to carry on wrestling the wwes schedule. Now i know there maybe things we dont know about but you have to think, disregarding that point Angle was made in his sports entertainment style wrestling in the wwe and he owes a lot to Vince McMahon for building to his level today. He may not want to work for wwe anymore but doesnt mean trash wwe just to make TNA like you more! There needs to be a level of respect and him doing all that does show he doesnt have respect

[FoleyIsGod]

Yeah completley agree last night at the House Show in Liverpool for TNA he came out and did a promo and went on how Vince McMahon can kiss his arse and to be fair, why say that for a company that made you in the wrestling business (not amateur wrestling)

Deoends how you look at it.

Last time Vince was here, he was getting cheered by the UK fans when he came out.

If Angle was trying to act heelish, it might be a good idea to bash his former master who got a pop thde last few times he has been here

[WJX]

Deoends how you look at it.

Last time Vince was here, he was getting cheered by the UK fans when he came out.

If Angle was trying to act heelish, it might be a good idea to bash his former master who got a pop thde last few times he has been here

Angle did a face promo and got a huge reaction when he said that, its very cheap and very ungrateful whatever way you look on it. He shits on the guy who made him in the wrestling world, thats shooting and disrespectful whatever you look at it!

[wrestlingfanart]

Kurt should be a professional and not bury the WWE every chance he gets. Who made him rich? The WWE did. Who made him famous? The WWE did (no one watches Olympic wrestling). The man was doing local piza commercials before the WWE. It's ok if Kurt hates the WWE, but keep it to yourself, Kurt. Be a pro. I see kurt turning into the "Superstar Billy Graham" of his day. Like the Superstar, he will say terrible things about the WWE and Vince, then in 10 years time, he will be saying "I'm sorry" and praising Vince and the WWE. Especially when he needs a dozen surgeries once he is totally broken down and wants Vince to foot the bill.

[OffTheRopRope]

Kurt is playing the role he was brought in for; 'the guy who left the big time for greener pastures' or whatever the hell they want to call it. Now, he does seem to be going over the top in a lot of his interviews to the press, but i'm fairly certain he will never return to the WWE, since at the rate he is going he will put himself out of the game due to injuries.

[wrestlingfan701]

Does it really matter what he's said, he isn't going back to WWE again. And as far as MMA goes in his future, I seriously doubt his body is going to be anywhere near capable of doing it for the rest of his life. I've always heard that throughout his career he's always had some sorts of nagging injuries and has had a few broken necks (I could be wrong?). Although, he has always told a half truth about him winning the gold medal with a broken neck, as it was only hurting him at the time, not completely broken. He basically left WWE because they feared he might end up killing himself. He'll probably be pursuing an acting career if and/or when TNA goes out of business, he's always said that he's going to do that when he retires from wrestling.

[OverkillInc_Rage]

I think Angle is just doing what TNA wants him to do, I think he is being professional, he's doing his job, nothing more. I don't think it is a personal vendetta against WWE or Vince, or anyting. From my understanding when it came time to resign his contract WWE said "Look pal, you've been running hard for a while now, we think you should take a break and then come back and see us, we have a contact waiting and it will be here but you need a break for health reasons" I heard stories that he was taking mass amounts of pain killers because his neck is too fucked up. I think it is all business though. I think TNA reps are saying " Look Kurt, we want you to really bad mouth them, just talk trash and tell people horror storries of WWE or something." I can almost hear Cornett saying these words. I think since he is the biggest aquisition from WWE they want him saying that TNA is so much better but we all know the truth. I like Angle, I think it was a two way street as far as who made him, I think he made the product which was himself, and WWE packaged it and sold it well.