Should Kane Be Heel Again ?

[Mr. Showtime]

I think Kane should have one last run as a heel before he retires. He's suposed to be a monster and being face honestly isn't doing him any favours. At least when he was heel he was getting more exposure, storylines etc.)

So what do you think ? Should Kane stay face or turn heel ?

Discuss.

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[DX12]

I agree, Kane should definitely go back to being a monster heel again. I loved him back when he first took off his mask and he was burning people, it just really brought out his monster gimmick. But noaways Kane has just been so stale with the whole babyface routine. Also maybe he should actually have a semi-long run as World champion, too me that could make smackdown alot more interesting.

[DeadmanInc.]

Definitely. Kane is one of the greatest monster Heels of all time. During his first year and when he was initially unmasked were his best eras. They were what brought out the best of his monster gimmick.

He should have one final run as champion. It's a shame that such an awesome heel only had a 24 hour reign.

[mtuphill]

At the moment kane just seems to have become one of the jobbers and just someone to fill the time in on the show.
I think a heel turn would be great for him as it would add some spice back to his charater.
I for one would love to see another lilttle taker / kane feud. that never gets old

[Agrex]

Kane should go heel because that's what he's all about. Being the sadistic "Big Red Machine" who everyone is scared of. For example Kane, back in '03-'04 was a respected monster heel. In the storylines, he came out as a guy that everyone was scared of, because he burned people. I don't think he should burn people, but he needs to do something to get over as a heel, fast. Kane right now is bland, and is jobbing alot. He needs to reinvent himself.

[BigMike1994]

Well I think this decision depends on what Glen Jacobs wants to do, I think Kane would be great as a heel but I don't think he wants to and Kane's number is up, all he can do now is job. For Kane to become a monster again would effect the "Jobbing" side of WWE to a great extent as Kane is one of the best Jobbers WWE has and he can really put talent over, every time I see some one pummel Kane into the ground I think to myself "No impossible" because Kane is a big guy and a WWE Legend to see him get beat by people with out much reputation is kind of wierd and it also makes his opponent look sadistic.

I would like to see Kane go on a giant Rampage like in 04 and 03 but it's just not going to happen.

[d'lo_brown_kurt_angle]

Kane doesn't need a change like that. But instead head into another direction. The WWE should let Kane have some gold around his waist...come on. It doesn't matter what brand he should win one of the World Titles, or just because the U.S Champion because MVP as champion is getting old. He rarely defends the belt. Or have Kane win the ECW champion? Or a tag team champion with Taker' (brothers of destruction). The WWE could really use a new champion and it should be Kane. They can do so much with Kane but instead they put him in a BORING feud with Big Daddy V.

[mr zbow]

I don't think Kane needs to turn heel. he is my 2nd favourite superstar (next to taker) and i like him as a face. they have enough monster heels (Big Daddy V, Mark Henry, Umaga etc). I think wwe r using him wrongly. It rly pisses me off that he isnt in the EC match. I think him and taker could have a really good run as the tag team champs. That is what people wanna see. I think Kane should have 1 more title reign (and not 1 that lasts for only a day) before he becomes a jobber. He deserves it. It might be just me but i find him really entertaining (even though hes not quick and flashy) and he deserves to be in the title picture. If he won the ECW title i think that people would care more it.

[BigDaddyKewl]

Id like to see him as a heel again but now I dont think would be the right time for it. As said Smackdown is flooded with the monster heels (BDV, Mark Henry, Khali). I think sometime after Wrestlemania I could see him feuding with Taker for the World title. Ive always wanted to see the two in Hell in a Cell. I think he will have some new faces to feud with once he turns like CM Punk, Mysterio, Cena.

[Mr. Showtime]

Sorry to say but Kane pretty much sucks as a face, People still cheered /kane from time to time when he was heel so I still want him to turn heel none the less. I do believe how ever that if he ever does decide he wants one last run as world champ then he should be face.

[klunderbunker]

I think Kane needs to just move to the main event exclusively. These random matches with V and Henry and tags with taker are just him sitting around doing nothing. Maybe he does need to be a heel, but as someone said earlier give him a damn title, just please not the tag belts. That's not a title thats throwing a bone to him so he'll be happy. Give him a world title run, even if its in ecw. He's earned it, the fans are still into him, and he's not as bad in the ring as people think he is. Kane hasn't done anything new in a few years in the ring supposedly. Why in the hell would he want to? If he kniows he's not going to get a big push if he does, why waste the time? Maybe making him a heel would give him that push though, so I'd say sure why not make him a monster again.

[G ROT]

Kane should definately go heel. He needs to be in a role where he's in a good feud that can last a while. And he always has the best rivalries with good guys. I wouldn't mind seeing him feud with some of the top guys like HBK or Cena. He deserves it.
Maybe even a legit shot at the title...

[Siege27]

Kane is these days, as everybody knows, a glorified jobber. creative need to put him in a decent feud in at least a US title feud. but more importantly, he needs to be in the main event world title picture, as he can main event; he can pull in the crowd; and is needed in the main event scene as there isnt many wrestlers to main event for the title.

it would be great to see him in a feud with the Undertaker, after undertaker beats Edge for the title. i was going to say turn him heel, but there are enough 'monster' heels already on smackdown, even though they are jobbers too (mark henry, great khali, big daddy v - who shouldnt even be on smackdown.)

if he was to turn heel, it would help him in terms of being fresh, and put him in some fresh storylines. he could even go to ECW, and win the ECW title for awhile. have Kane pin CM Punk for the title. decent feud right there.

or even swap him with jeff hardy or someone from Raw and Kane could turn heel and feud for the IC title, if jeff drops it to someone else.

just a thought

[awb25mn]

I agree with Siege that Kane is nothing but a jobber these days. He has only done two things in his career that I can remember

1. Win the Belt from austin in that first blood match(only to lose it the next night)

2. Take off his mask and feud with RVD and the Big Show

To me Kane has always been one of those people that were under used and could be so much better then they are. But to me the fact that the WWE didn't give him a title when his movie was out came out, shows me that they must not have a lot of faith in him. Kane can cut decent promos and he can wrestle a lot better then some of the other people that have been getting pushes lately (Big Daddy V, Batista, Kahli)

I agree with seige27 that Kane should get a heel turn and a title such as the ECW title. Having him on ecw full time would be a good fit as a heel but not as a face. And he deserves it for all the years of losing he has had to deal with.

[antonovich]

Definitely. Turn him heel, set him loose on ECW and have him win the title. Kane is excellent at hardcore matches. his ambulance match with shane? their last man standing match. those were golden.

[Derf]

The way I see it, Kane is "Evil", but how evil can you be as a Face? As a heal, Kane can do so much more, where as a face, he can't do much to anyone. His heal charecter was always better IMO. So I agree, turn him heal, send him to either RAW or ECW (theres not enough faces on Smackdown) and don't job him out like Snitsky, Khali, Big V, or Henry, cause this guy is a legitimate Big Man. But therein lies the problem. The WWE is using all their Big Heals simply to push the physically smaller faces (Cena, HHH, Batista, etc) with the whole "against the odds" thing, but really, they've ruined it. when was the last time any of the big heals I've mentioned actually won a match that WASN'T against a glorified jobber?

So if they're gonna turn Kane heal, they have to keep him away from Jobbing, he's way better and more deserving than that.

[KaraAlexis]

I agree that Kane should go back to being a heel. They aren't really doing much with him, and he doesn't really have much of a character as a face. He defiantly needs a title run too.

[johncenalover23]

i think that Kane was more dangerous and scary when he had a mask! i still love him now but i liked him even more when he had the mask. but if they did give it back to him i wonder how they would go about doing that. I hope that he wins the ecw or united states title because he has more than earned it and that would let everyone know how serious he is.

[Chris Vegas]

I think Kane should be a heel again because as a face he hasnt had any good feuds, he was supposed to wrestle Edge for the World Heavyweight Championship at the Great American Bash but Edge got injured & since hasnt done anything. As a heel he could have more feuds in Smackdown or ECW like Kane vs Batista or Kane vs CM Punk. If not heel then WWE needs to use him better as a face not like they did at last nights Smackdown wrestling the Grat Khali in a very bad match

[Cage917r]

I think it would be great to see Kane as a heel again because his character is better in that role. The problem is that everybody cheers for him and if he becomes a heel i think everyone will cheer for him anyway. Who doesn't want to see Kane get a legitimate title run, but if he goes vs. a face, people will be want to see the heel beat the face, which is not what WWE wants. I could see him staying heel and beating Chavo for the ECW title, but sadly i think that is about the limit for what Kane will achieve throughout the rest of his career.

[fanofwrestling]

I think Kane is a better heel than face. Regardless, WWE should probably make some changes to the Kane character.

I think what Kane needs is to go back to his old attire and mask from the 90s. He was the perfect masked monster. And he wouldn't be the first wrestler to put the mask back on. If we remember, Rey Mysterio did the same thing.

What WWE did was humanize Kane like they did with the Undertaker. After that ran its course, they made the Undertaker in to the Dead Man again. The same could happen with Kane. After treating him simply as a normal wrestler with an edge, they could turn him in to the Big Red Machine. This could be accomlished with the mask, the old tights, and the organ music that played before the fire explosions.

If this was done Kane would be back to the rock star status that he had in the late 90s. And though I would rather seem him as a heel, the fans would still cheer for him. He would essentially be a face.

[klunderbunker]

I agree with the whole idea of kane being a heel again, minus the mask. Once you take a mask off a wrestler, the mystery is gone. While all the time we knew kane's face wasn't really burned, we always kind of wondered what his face looked like after the "fire". Putting the mask back on him to me just wouldn't work. He'd be perfect just as a monster heel, maybe with somethign like the towel he had over his head after he was unmasked.

[rayray93]

it would be better for him to turn heel
but think about it
even him being heel would not do anything because he is a fan favorite
just like with hhh or cena when they were heels
if he turned heel now, cm punk would win the ecw title and go into a long feud with him
it would do ecw mad ratings

[shua08]

I think Kane should be masked aswell, hes obviously fit to be a heel and i don't think that just because people like him he needs to be a face. Whats wrong with a heel being liked by the fans? I know that heel implies bad guy which implies people shouldn't like him. I think he should turn heel tweak his character and if he gets the title on any brand he should be that heel that actually wins matches cleanly, I think it would be good to have a heel in the company that doesn't have to win by cheating. Even make him into a heel that even the other heels are intimidated by.

[TheTruNoLimit]

Sure, Kane as a face is pretty over even though WWE does nothing with him. Heck, he got great reactions over the Summer in his very brief run in with Edge since they actually put him in a main event angle.

BUT, Kane from '03 and '04 as a heel was pretty much one of the best in the WWE. From a psychotic, unstoppable monster who was more mentally burned than physically, to a guy that tortured innocent women and forced her to have his baby, he was the ultimate psychopath!

And, he still got pops from the crowd even as a heel, so he should DEFINITELY be heel again.

It would breathe some new life into him. Even if it's just the same kind of character as he was a couple years ago, at least it's a change of pace.

[TheTruNoLimit]

I agree with Siege that Kane is nothing but a jobber these days. He has only done two things in his career that I can remember

1. Win the Belt from austin in that first blood match(only to lose it the next night)

2. Take off his mask and feud with RVD and the Big Show

To me Kane has always been one of those people that were under used and could be so much better then they are. But to me the fact that the WWE didn't give him a title when his movie was out came out, shows me that they must not have a lot of faith in him. Kane can cut decent promos and he can wrestle a lot better then some of the other people that have been getting pushes lately (Big Daddy V, Batista, Kahli)

I agree with seige27 that Kane should get a heel turn and a title such as the ECW title. Having him on ecw full time would be a good fit as a heel but not as a face. And he deserves it for all the years of losing he has had to deal with.

Apparently, Kane was supposed to get the title at two different times in '06, but both times it was nixed. WWE keeps citing his bad knees as reason not to give him a title run, but heck. They keep pushing Mysterio who is always injured, and yet always returns to the main event scene. Plus, if he gets injured with the title, it's not the end of the world, a lot of guys had.

He's got bad knees, but heck, is more reliable in there than most.

[chaos@vincent_the phenom]

I heared a lot thay Kane doesnt want gold as he wants to give over younger guys and give theam a push. But I believe Kane really does deserves title, and then turn Heel as well and mabye then go on foro World Title.

[conman]

I think they could do one more big storyline with him and the Undertaker. Presuming that Taker wins the title at Wrestlemania I would like to see them work together against a group of heels. Bring over Umaga and have him do the bidding of Edge and the Edgeheads. The brothers of destruction fend them off and somehow after Taker defends against Edge or Umaga, Kane turns on Taker, says he is sick of doing Taker's dirty work and getting the oddman beat downs. He is sick of Taker getting all the credit for the the team and wants a title shot, but more importantly wants his brother to respect him and pay for holding him down. Big time feud culminating with Hell in a Cell at either Survivor Series or Summer Slam. One last big feud and big payoff for Kane. I think Taker should win this and the feud should be finally over after the match. Keep them away from each other for the rest of their careers.

[obsidiana]

I think what Kane needs is to go back to his old attire and mask from the 90s. He was the perfect masked monster. And he wouldn't be the first wrestler to put the mask back on. If we remember, Rey Mysterio did the same thing.

The difference is that Mysterio came from a different company and was unmasked there. He probably wouldn't have worn the mask at all when he came to WWE but they probably pushed him to wear it again.

Kane is still with the company he lost his mask in. It wouldn't make any sense to have him wear it again. I think somethinig needs to be done because he hasn't been in any major feuds or really done much of anything at all lately. I think putting the belt on him would be awesome.

[HBK-aholic]

I loved Kane as heel; the Big Red Machine. And he truely was a monster. I don't think being unmasked did any favours for his career. The mask gimmick was great for someone, who otherwise may have often been unnoticed. He's good, but I don't think he's ever been great. He's never had a proper title run, and I don't think he ever will.

And then there came the storyline with Snitsky and Lita, something I really hated. It was a sensitive, stupid storyline, the WWE habdled it badly, and it just worked badly for both Kane and Snitsky. Even now I still think of Snitsky as the guy that killed Lita's baby.

Turning Kane heel again would be so much better; he can play that character, and knows it well. He could easily get the crowd to hate him, and he can generate heat better than a lot of people. Heel makes Kane more interesting, and more of a character. He's one of the wrestlers that generally needs a gimmick, or he'd get lost in the bounds of everyone else.

[Phill from Cincinnati]

i've thought that Kane should be turned heel again for a long while now. (posted this before, but it's a good idea!)

here's how i think it can be done.

1. Put Kane into a feud with JBL.

2. JBL in a most cowardly act throws "acid" into Kane's face, scarring him severely and forcing him to wear the mask again.

3. the mask reverts Kane to his former self and he no longer speaks (here you can switch out Glen Jacobs for a younger wrestler with a similar build. no offense to Glen, he's getting old and looks like its time to hang it up)

[peterf]

i've thought that Kane should be turned heel again for a long while now. (posted this before, but it's a good idea!)

here's how i think it can be done.

1. Put Kane into a feud with JBL.

2. JBL in a most cowardly act throws "acid" into Kane's face, scarring him severely and forcing him to wear the mask again.

3. the mask reverts Kane to his former self and he no longer speaks (here you can switch out Glen Jacobs for a younger wrestler with a similar build. no offense to Glen, he's getting old and looks like its time to hang it up)

Great idea phill because you can change Kane and hardly noone will be the wiser and still keep his legacy.

But the only problem with that is that glen jacobs will never be in the hall of fame, and the new guy will( i know im thinkin ahead lol)

[Cage917r]

First of all, I dont see them switching Glen Jacobs out of the kane character and putting someone else in there for a long time, if ever. The fact is Glen is one of the most respected wrestlers backstage, he really cares for the business, which is one reason why he has never had a world title reign, he would rather have the young stars get elevated, for the good of the business.

Second, they are not going to put the mask back on Kane. Once they removed the mask, it wouldn't make sense to put it back on, I mean the whole point of the mask was hiding what the looked like, "his burns". When he kicked that fake Kane's ass, and took his mask, I thought it might happen, but when it didn't, I and all of you should realize it will never happen.

In regards to him turning heel, I dont think it is going to happen. The fact is he gets cheered, which is one reason why he doesn't and wont win one of the two main titles, the ECW title maybe, but thats it. Its just like Kennedy, cant have heels getting cheered, so they can't really turn him heel.

As for the HOF, no he isn't in the same category as Bret Hart, Ric Flair or Eddie Guerrero, but not a lot of guys are. In baseball they call guys like that first ballot hall of famers, guys who once they are eligible get in. Glen wont get in the minute he retires, but he will get in eventually, he is too respected back stage to not get in.

[Phill from Cincinnati]

again i say:

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Originally Posted by peterf
Great idea phill because you can change Kane and hardly noone will be the wiser and still keep his legacy.

But the only problem with that is that glen jacobs will never be in the hall of fame, and the new guy will( i know im thinkin ahead lol)

whose to say that Glen Jacobs is worthy of being in the HOF? Does his name really compare to the likes of Bret Hart, Ric Flair, Eddie Guerrero? I don't think so.

(and this time, so i don't get an infraction for spamming, i'll try to write a book.)

Glen Jacobs, while he is a veteran, is not worthy of being in the hall of fame. i don't say this out of spite for the man or the character. but in the annuls of wrestling history, i don't think he'll be remembered as a truly great wrestler. he did have tons of fans as Kane, i'll give him that. but having lots of fans doesn't make you a great wrestler, it just means you have a lot of fans. when i think of wrestlers who without question should/will be in the Hall of Fame (not necessarily the WWE HOF) i think: Bret Hart (for obvious reasons), Ric Flair (see Bret Hart), the Road Warriors (arguably the greatest tag team in history), Bruno Sammartino (i don't think i have to explain that one), Bob Backlund. Does Glen Jacobs compare to these men? somewhat. but does he deserve to be in the Hall of Fame? No.

[GATOR]

Hopefully the WWE realise that Kane isnt just a back up wrestler. They should put him into a big story line with someone maybe taker in a inferno match, make he loose and he comes back as the masked monster and get the title run which he deserves.

[josh [-4-]]

I thought that when Kane took the mask from imposter Kane he was gonna come back with the mask, maybe he shouldve started to have an obsession with it and then put it back on and become a heel. It should be like the mask makes him evil kinda like the jason hockey mask and whoever wheres it. thats how he should become a heel again.

[justinsayne]

Good god what the hell is with everybody's obsession with Kane putting the mask back on, that would make no sense what so ever, the whole reason the mask work was cause it added a bit of mystery to his character, that mystery is gone now, it left when they took the mask off, so putting the mask back on him would just be pointless, give it up folks the mask is gone, and is never coming back

As far as being heel goes, no he should not turn heel right now simply because WWE has enough monster heels, you got Umaga, Mark Henry, BDV, Khali, & Snitsky, do we really need another one right now, leave him face WWE is over saturated with monster heels right now and doesn't need another

Now onto Kane getting a push...why?, why the fuck should Kane get a push now, what the fuck has he done lately to deserve it, absolutely nothing, Kane has past the point in his career where a push would be worth anything, at this point he's just too old, slow and just not what he once was, basically his prime has passed him by, there are better people to give the push to

[EL34LYFE]

I think Kane should be a heel. He's done some really good storylines being a heel. They should even make a Kane vs. Undertaker at Wrestlemania part 3. That would really get Kane a good start at better storylines. His rivalry with MVP only gave him that "Monster" title for a month or two. His charcter is getting pretty dull and I think he needs to be a heel again.

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

2. JBL in a most cowardly act throws "acid" into Kane's face, scarring him severely and forcing him to wear the mask again.

While we're at it why don't we have someone fall into a vat of chemicals and emerge with green hair and a permenant smile on his face who has a maniacal laugh and kills without hesitation? Or have a short fat guy with weapons in his umbrella? I'm sure the guys at DC can spare some writers for WWE Creative.

Kane was best as a heel who destroyed everyone. In his early years we saw Kane beat 6 or 7 guys senseless on his own, he set the current trend for beating on Taker to get over and his fueds w/ Y2J and a couple of years later w/ Shane McMahon were classic. He also gets to cut a few promos when he's heel to and is very good at it for a guy who's gimmick didn't allow him to talk originally.

24 hour title run? yeah that sucked, but he didn't actually beat Austin himself did he? But then First Blood matches with actual importance don't tend to end without intereference or something else affecting the match.
e.g. Kane v Austin - Taker run in
Taker v Austin - Xpac run in
Shamrock v Jericho - Jericho had a hockey uniform on and stood inside a cage
Austin v Booker T - Bossman run in
Taker v Kennedy - MVP run in

What doesn't make sense is that Kane hasn't had World title run since then and that was a decade ago. He has the ECW belt now but that's clearly not on the same level as the WWE title or World title, which is sad because Glen deserves a run with the Big title IMO

[TomSmithUK]

I'm sure theres another thread regarding the remasking. But I think both sides have a point, it'd need to be done really well to avoid looking like a step backwards.

I think he'd work better as a tweener heel, like when he first arrived. Yeah he turned on the Undertaker etc, but NWO 1998 against Vader, Kane was heel, but still got cheers, just for how impressive he was. Just reverse it slightly, have him play face, but take it too far. Let him be feared by the roster, but loved by the crowd. Again like NWO 1998, when he turns back and hits Vader with the wrench, have him turn back after a victory and deal some real damage. Have him go over the other monsters, but absolutely annihalate them, and take it too far.

[FOTH 3:16]

I think kane should be a heel.I am a big Kane fan and I think he has many skills that are not realized by the fans and WWE.I think he should team up with a huge face in a tag match then get mad in the middle of the match then snap on all three men in the ring and go on a rampage injuring faces and heels every week.Come on WWE it is time for Kane to be a monster heel again and have one more title run before he retires.

[Dalkonian]

Kane as a heel just makes more sense than the other way around. Take a look at the guy and you have the perfect monster character (which is how he came into the business) Around 7 foot tall with the ability to make one of the ugliest faces I have seen apart from snitsky (who just seemed like a lame Kane rip-off anyway) add that to the fact that he (Kane) has at best sub-par skills on the microphone and you have a lame babyface. Having Kane change back to heel is the best thing they could do for the guy at the moment. Do I think it's going to happen any time soon? probably not, but WWE has surprised me in the past. Here's hoping they'll throw another one at me.

[RBH]

I can back up some of my logic to why Kane is good as a face and a heel.
If he were heel, you can recall many of the amazing things he has done in the past as a heel..
1. He chokeslammed Rob Van Dam on a stage-it was cool to see his heel turn fully.
2. He threw Matt Hardy off the stage. This was something that many people probably laughed at. I mean come on, Matt Hardy tries in vain to stop Kane-Matt Hardy wedding and gets thrown off a stage for his efforts (kayfabe I know but still funny)
3. He tears off the door to Hell in a Cell and tombstones Undertaker helping Shawn Michaels win. Amazing debut probably the best debut ever. He was a legit world title contender from the minute he debuted. The writing back then was so good based on that.
4. He tombstoned Linda McMahon on the stage. O NO HE DIDNT! No heel wrestler had ever done something so inhumane to tombstone the CEO of the company on the stage. He garnered such amazing heel heat and everyone wanted Shane to run in and kick his ass even tho we all knew that he couldn't. (and he didn't)
5. Buried Undertaker alive...helping Vince mcMahon beat Undertaker was one of ther worst things that Heel Kane ever did because so many ppl were looking for a Vince ass kicking and it never happened. Taker did eventually get Kane back but still, this was amazing. If you all remember, Kane also set Taker on fire at one point.

Amazing things he did as a Face
1. in May 2000, his pyro exploded out of nowhere and he came out during about 3 straight Raw is War main events and beat the shit out of anything that moved, amazing and everyone marked the fuck out!!!
2. Chokeslammed Eric Bischoff off the stage....true he was making his heel turn but still, this was an amazing sight to see and Bischoff took a ridiculous bump.
3. During his return in mid 2002, his pyro went off several times before he finally made his comeback and beat the shit out of Test and the Unamericans.
final thoughts; he is good at doing both but is remembered more for his heel days...

[mcflyboy]

In order for Kane to turn heel again, he'd have to be involved in a pretty major storyline, and I just don't see that happening. Kane is slowly being phased out and will likely be retiring somewhat soon, and a storyline that will turn him heel and keep him going as a heel for a while will put the spotlight on him probably more than the company or Kane himself wants at this stage in his career.

[Miko]

i dont know, i like Kanes character, theres just something amusing about a 7ft psycho who likes hurting people make little kids cry when HE gets hurt, like when Henry/BDV double teamed him a load of kids where crying in the audience. I remember thinking he'd do worse to them give him the opportunity, it just makes me think what i like about WWE, in any other TV program Kane would be the bad guy