TNA Mid-card Belt

[wwenba]

I was wondering what you guys thought about another title for the midcarders of TNA. I think it would be great for them to have some type of Intercontinental/United States title like a Middleweight championship. It can really proress storylines for Chris Harris, Roode, James storm, and others. With the 2 hour expansion this is the perfect time to do it.

However, i also realize that this means tna would eventually have 5 championsips because the women's division is coming. I am big on the idea of the more titles the less they mean (and so is Jarrett). I think each title would be very important but when i think of one show with five belts I think that is too much.

-WWE has way to many belts but no brand has more than 4 titles.

On the other hand, Each title would have its one niche of wrestlers rather than being irrelevant like the European Championship was in WWE.

[magic]

I feel that with a women's divison being added is the only thing that will take be really new. What a mid card belt does is give meaning to the mid carder's feud, example if Kazarian and Mr. It Pays to be Rude were to be feuding somewhere with a mid-card belt, these 2 would be as they are future stars. And if a mid-card belt is added i hope then that the x-division is treated as its own entity and maybe have as much as, or close to as much prestige to hold the x-division title as it is to hold the heavyweight title.

[Papa Shango]

The X-Division Championship is essentially a mid-card championship belt. It's the IC Title meets the Cruiserweight Championship. Although I do think that another title would be good. Maybe the TNA Mid-Atlantic United States Championship? Or the TNA Television Championship?

[magic]

i say they should call it the TV title if they make a new one, but am i the only one who thinks it would make TNA awesome if they had the x-division completely seperate from the heavyweight division(with the example of like AJ, Kazarian, and Daniels) and the titles seemedalmost equal then they feued the x-title holder with the heavy weight title holder and have them face off but in a non-tittle match to see who's the best and have it be just for pride?

[ACTAFOOL]

well if they really are going to make a womens division then they shouldnt make a mid card title, cuz it really would be way too many titles, now i would rather have a mid card title then a womens title, not that i dont like women wrestling, but TNA doesnt really have many female wrestlers =/... unless they bring in a lot of them...

but i wouldnt like that cuz they would be stealing time from the x division that was promised more time as soon as TNA got a 2 hour deal

so now they would have to squeeze in x division/women/ and mid carders matches in about 1 hour since the other hour im guessing would be for the heavyweights, and id rather just have them squeeze in 1 hour of x division and mid carders

so, if they dont go through with the womens division, then i think it would be great to get a mid card title, guys like rhyno, storm, harris, roode, abyss, and the likes really need it... some would say the x division title should be treated as the mid card title

but i think the x division title should be seperate from the heavyweights, TNA has more than enough indy guys to carry that belt and make it important, plus not many x division guys can put on a good feud with the heavyweights

so if there isnt a womens division, put in a mid card title, it would really help for us to know who is bigger right now, guys like rhyno and storm, or guys like kaz and roode?? without a belt for them its all just confusing...

[magic]

ACTAFOOL i agree with what you say but i don't think that a mid-card title will take away time, the way i see it as the guys who are feuding over it would be feuding anyways, example is that feel the Kazarian/Rude would probably be the current mid-card title feud if they had one and they are already feuding so adding both won't really take up as much time cause the mid-carders would be feuding anyways it just makes there feud mean more as long as the belt isn't watered down like in WWE.

[cptncharisma316]

They need to re-establish the X-division title before they add another one. Recall, Jay Lethal ended Sabin's long run and the belt was coming back, and just like that Samoa Joe wins it just so they could run the main event around every belt. Now, with Angle dropping it to Lethal, it can bring some prestige back. Lethal, although a gimmick wrestler, is over and is one of the best to run with it for now. This has all the makings of becomming the IC belt of the late 80s early 90s, so for now, TNA has enough titles.

[ACTAFOOL]

ACTAFOOL i agree with what you say but i don't think that a mid-card title will take away time, the way i see it as the guys who are feuding over it would be feuding anyways, example is that feel the Kazarian/Rude would probably be the current mid-card title feud if they had one and they are already feuding so adding both won't really take up as much time cause the mid-carders would be feuding anyways it just makes there feud mean more as long as the belt isn't watered down like in WWE.

yes, i agree, but what i meant was that TNA is already going to squeeze in mid carders and x division in about 1 hour of their show (i hope.. maybe not even that...) imagine if they were to add also a womens division.. they would be back to step 1, wich is huge roster, not enough time to develop many storylines or decent matches that go longer than 5 mins

so what i meant isnt that the mid carders would take up too much time, but mid carders + womens division would...

but i agree, with or without a belt there will be feuds between them so i dont see why not put in a belt for them, but imagine a belt for them, then the x division belt, the tag team belt, the tna belt, AND a womens division... could TNA make so many titles, on one show, still meaningful??? maybe... the only reason why WWEs belts dont mean much is because of lack of competition i guess, the IC belt has like 4 guys, while a tna mid carder belt would have plenty...

but still i just think it would be too many titles, so its either womens division or mid card title for me... i would much rather have a mid card title, but even if they do put in both, im not against it, i just dont think its a good idea, x division deserves like at least a half hour for storylines/matches, and i forgot about the tag team division wich they would have to squeeze in, but i guess they have a whole other hour for them and the heavyweights...

[magic]

Agreed, i think the only way the titles would not be watered down would be if the x-title is a completely seperate entity and has the prestige of a heavyweight title but not be as prestiges as the heavy weight title. Another thing they could do is instead of having the replay, after TNA goes 2 hours they could have xplosion in that slot to give the x-division guys who are not getting alot of impact time coughpeteywilliamscough some time to showcase there talent on tv even though it might not be the main show.

[TnA_WcW_4_Life]

Id like to see a T.N.A. T.V. title for sure i always like the tv titles in wcw and ecw may have been my fav. names for a title as well

i remember the old wcw days when they would say "This match is set for one fall with a 15 min time limit" or "this match is set for one fall with tv time remaining" i used to love that belt

[attila]

i don't like it. I want to see the World Heavyweight and World X divisions held in the same regard. Now while I recognize that the current creative team doesn't have the same vision, I'm sure many of you will remember a time when it was. Under D 'Amore the X-Division title headlined PPVs ahead of the World Title which would precede it. I want to see this again. And with a secondary title it becomes impossible to accomplish and in fact diminishes the feel of the title - as it in effect becomes third tier.

[gunslinger72]

All I know is that adding a Womens Division adds absolutely nothing. Honestly, when was the last time you were rivited to a womens match that didn't involve them stripping each other? If I want that I will watch MTV.

[attila]

All I know is that adding a Womens Division adds absolutely nothing. Honestly, when was the last time you were rivited to a womens match that didn't involve them stripping each other? If I want that I will watch MTV.

Amen to that too. I never liked the women's division (seems Paul E and Eric Bischoff agreed) and IMO women have no place in wrestling. Their effectiveness as valets and managers is even starting to curtail. I'd be happy to never see a woman on a wrestling program again the way they are being used at the moment. I'd prefer to watch Cumfest 7 after I'm through with the latest edition of Impact.

[magic]

Gail Kim vs. Jackie Moore Lockdown 2007, good match, and there are women that can wrestle out there(see 2 said women) just very few are employed by that organization who has disgraced the women's division for some time now.

[mean_gene_roberts]

Well let's see...RAW has the World title, IC belt, Tag and Womens. That's 4. So why shouldn't TNA have 4 belts? Both 2 hour shows as long as you're going to follow that logic of how many belts in 2 hours.

And as far as a womens division, hell yes...as long as they keep women with talent on the card. After Trish left WWE, Vince decided to have more models and beauty queens instead of wrestlers. They used to have the likes of Madusa and Ivory who could hold their own with any of the men. Now we have a soft-core porn actress Candice Michelle with the gold. The only ones currently who can truly wrestle are Victoria and Alexis Laree (Mickie James) and Vince has them jobbing to the no-talent models.

If TNA follows their pattern, I believe that you will see good solid and entertaining matches. Unlike WWE, TNA doesn't stand for "tits and ass".

[Ultimate X™]

I love the idea of a women's title. Right now TNA has a wonderful women's division, and I'd love to see So Cal Val join in as well. With 5 more women coming it, it should get even better. As far as a midcard title, I'd love to see a TNA TV Championship come in...

[crumblez]

If TNA follows their pattern, I believe that you will see good solid and entertaining matches. Unlike WWE, TNA doesn't stand for "tits and ass".


yet they dont.. tna is losing focus of what made tna, tna.. being different and giving us a taste of what wrestling should be. i seem them slowly moving towards being what everyone hates about wwe, the talent sees it to.. and if they dont fix that.. they wont last much longer..


should tna have a mid card belt!?!?

X Division Title: everyone is concerned with this belts future and i think with Lethal holding it and actually going against competitors like the fallen angel and maybe aj styles making a return to play a bigger role in the x division youll see even more people drooling over the thought of this title going on up for grabs at a ppv..

Womens Title: I dont mind seein women wrestle, but i think ecw and wcw was right when they didnt have a womens title.. its jus not that interesting to see a bunch of females not being able to pull off a simple bulldog.. so thats why you get women who know what their doing.. well see where tna goes with this..

TV Title : a television title for tna's midcard performers.. and why not? if there can only be so many belts why are you bringing in a slew of costly new talent for a belt[womens title] that a majority of fans may or may not approve of...a tv title would be good for the up and coming talent but the concept doesnt make the following statement less true

more belts, less meaning..

[sirveaux]

I've thought that TNA needed a TV-type title for a while now. It would clear up the main event picture by keeping people like Rhino and Roode (and others) out. Plus, every promotion needs a "stepping stone" so that up-and-comers aren't just thrust into the main event. That way the company can see how a wrestler would be as a champion without whoring the belt out for a month.

Not everyone fits the X-Division style, and TNA doesn't need to compromise the X-Division title with people who don't fit the mold. BTW, a women's division should be, IMO, the LAST concern of TNA. I know that there are great female wrestlers out there, but they seem few and far between; and anyway, you just can't make me care about women wrestling. Sorry to be so unevolved and sexist, but that's my 2 cents

[Ruck]

A midcard championship is a great need to TNA. First, it will allow alot of younger guys to gain some gold and see how they react to putting a title around their waist. You can't really test it off of putting them in the running. See how they react backstage.

Also, TNA can't make the X Division the midcard championship. Alot of times, the X Division Championship has been the main event compared to the World Title. X Division is TNA. It is up there with the World Title.

[Shadowmancer]

Amen to that too. I never liked the women's division (seems Paul E and Eric Bischoff agreed) and IMO women have no place in wrestling. Their effectiveness as valets and managers is even starting to curtail. I'd be happy to never see a woman on a wrestling program again the way they are being used at the moment. I'd prefer to watch Cumfest 7 after I'm through with the latest edition of Impact.

Wo the most narrow minded thing I have ever read, Women Wrestlers don't get the respect that they deserve, adding a Women's Title is a good thing for TNA, look at it from the poiint of view of the WWE has only a fraction of the talent out there, and then you have the useless members of the WWE women's locker room. There is a whole raft of Women's talent out there that are as good as if not better than a large number of Male Wrestlers. I may not follow Women's wrestling that much so I can't comment on it, but This could help put names on the board that deserve to be in the public eye, like Alison Danger (Steve Corino's Sister), Lu Fisto, Ms Chif and so many others.

As for a TNA midcard title, right now there is no need for it, until at least a year down the road from the expansion to two hours, while it will be a good thing to see at some sage there is no need for it really as you can see that there is, The X-Division Title is a good Title for the mid card right now as it has the prestige while not being too bad off when it comes to its situation despite being close to being ignored for a few months. TNA needs to worry more about what the divisions need work as the Tag division needs work right now, the X-Division has a good number of contenders right now, Alex Shelley being a key name here. This is where they need to work rather than trying to add more belts that distract from the actual product which is wrestling and the already put in place belts.

[sirveaux]

"The X-Division Title is a good Title for the mid card"

While it may located on the "middle" of the card, the X title deserves far better treatment than being considered the "midcard" belt. The X Division has been the most consistently entertaining division in TNA (or any other promotion on cable) since its inception. It has outperformed the TNA and NWA World Heavyweight titles on a consistent basis.

That being said, the X Title is no "midcard" championship. TNA really should consider a second-tier title for the reasons Ruck and I have mentioned.

[Shadowmancer]

I did add on the two key words there. Right and Now. for the here and Now it is the midcard belt. they should not bring a midcard belt in right now. because they are trying to bring in a womens title this would be overshadowed by a midcard title being brought in right now. I agree that TNA will eventually need it but as of this point in time it would be a belt for a belts sake not something that needs to be worked for which is what TNA has right now. Jeff Jarrett knows what too many belts can do to a show as he was on the USS WCW. That went down in part because of the number of titles that were being thrown around, a cruiserweight tag title, a US Tag title a world tag title belt, they had a complete set per division(effectively) too many titles takes away the focus of the show.

[tbp82]

The problem with the X-Division title being a midcard title is the fact that it is a division title. You can't have gus like Roode, Rhino, and Messiah's competing for the X-Division title. So in a sense I see a need for a TV title but with the introduction of a womans title there might not be room but, WCW when they were on top of WWE had the World, U.S., TV, Cruiserweight and tag titles. So TNA could balance five titles if they kept the World Title matches on TV to minimum and save it for PPV's.

[Ultimate X™]

yea, One more title is enough, and I think it would be good, World, TV, X-Division, Women's, Tag Titles....I think there is enough time to seperate it enough....

I'd prefer a TV title over a Hardcore title as well...Hardcore title isn't truly a midcard title...Also I'd prefer TV title over US, Intercontinental, and FTW as they are all currently used by other companies...

[magic]

the x-division is not a midcard title, that was one of the reasons many people were angry with Angle having it because he does not fit that style of wrestling, i mean guys like Robert Rude are not going to get the X-tittle and there are very few people who who have gon from X_division to heavyweight...i count 3 Daniels for a little while, AJ obviously and Kazarian right now but that's itguys like Rude and Harris need some sort of stepping stone to the World title....like the IC title used to be.

[SpiralHands]

So all good wrestling promotions have thier mid-card belts, WWE have the US title and Intercontinental, WCW had the US title as well and ECW had the television title. These titles always gives depth to the mid-card wrestlers and gives them something to fight for, so with all this talent in TNA and so many big stars on the horrizon would it be a good thing for TNA to introduce a new mid-card belt? Or would it not do them any good at all?

If they did produce it, what would it be called?

And who would be the first champ?

[acidic1]

Well, in my own opinion, I think that adding a singles mid-card belt to the fray would more then likely help TNA. Being a wrestling fan of almost twenty years, I have to admit that seeing a two hour show that revolves around the dudleys pwn'n the X division title, Tomko and AJ's mix matched tag team championships, and Angle this, Angle that, putting another one into the mix would take more attention offa Angle.

That, and having all the talent just feuding over rats and crap like that... don't get me wrong, the whole misty thing's kinda weird, and it's a bit better then goldust in my opinion... but meh, a T.V. title would be pimp..... Kaz would pwn that...

[8five]

Well TNA is unconventional so i think the title will be the spike title or something like that. TNA has a history of giving all titles to a face to start it i.e. gail kim, aj styles, ken shamrock, who were all faces at the time, so Kaz probably wins the belt, but roode takes it soon after. BTW with the current state of TNA this won't happen, even though it makes sense.

[hahahaha]

The only way a TV title would work is if they limited the World Title to occassional TV defenses and saved it for PPVs.

Like WCW did in the early days. You'd have to shell out the money to see Ric Flair vs. Sting for the title...but Arn Anderson defending the TV title every week on tv was the norm.

You'd have Kurt Angle and his next big opponent build on TV but the pay off wouldn't be until PPV. I think thats better for the buisness anyway. Think about it. YOu have Booker T., Christian Cage, Samoa Joe and AJ Style all wanting a title shot but they'd have to wait in line so you could space out the storylines over the coarse of the year instead of a new contender every 30 days.

The TV title in TNA on Robert Roode's waist he would be out every week defending it against Eric Young, Rhino, Kaz, Judas Masias, Abyss...and so forth.

IT builds two title that are important.

The X Division Title is a Division title. A specialty and deserves its own airtime as wella s the womens and tag.

[smurdock01]

Honestly, I like how things are now... Yes, even the women's division...

I mean the X-Division Championship is a title that is pretty nice to do. For people like Samoa Joe and Hernandez, who are big like the heavyweights, but can really fly. It gives people something to strive for, like the World title gives people something... The X-Division title has a nice background because the reason for X-Division is that there's No Weight Limit...

The Tag team division, obviously, the reason for it is for the tag teams they have there... Aj Styles & Tomko are a good tag team, and it sucks that TNA is making them have problems. But who knows, maybe this is TNA's version of MVP & Matt Hardy tag team...

And the Women's Division, this is great especially with them having the belt on Awesome Kong. This gives us one of those unstoppable champions... And seriously, someone said something about women stripping each other... No, never, in a million years would I ever want to see that woman naked... But yeah, Awesome Kong is pretty cool. Not the normal sticks that most promotions go for, and she can really draw in heat... I say she would do great with the X-Division or World title if given the chance too

[kieran_devlin]

they need a mid card title

theres so many guys that cant get the world title that could make a decent champion

its like this TNA has way to many mid carders that just fight left over talent and the occasional main eventer

theses guys could duke it out for a mid card title


not to say that x division is a low card title but its a multi card title it should have main eventers all the way to low carders duking it out for the title

could be something special if you ask me instead of the x divison being full of high flyers

x division isnt about high flying or 300 pound guys being athletic its about ability technical high flying submission mat based powerhouse ect

its about being good at something you know

you could have Steiner as champion because he has a natural talent for mat and powerbased moves

it should be about wrestling ability and talent have the guys that have a natural talent duke it out

Kurt Angle who is technically gifted could be a good champion but so could a guy like Homicide for example

a mid card belt for mid carders like Kaz and James Storm Robert Roode ect
low card dosnt need a belt

[StInGeR-HBK]

I don't think the X-Division can be considered a midcard belt. It's more like a cruiserweight title than a midcard belt. TNA definately needs some kind of midcard championship. They rely too much around the Heavyweight title that Kurt Angle and his opponents are taking all the TV time. If their was a midcard belt then people would have something else to invest their interest in. You would have 5 championships but at the same time, each has their own set of wrestlers and fans. Plus, it would sort of be like a steping stone for someone getting ready to fued for the Heavyweight Championship. Sort of like Jeff Hardy is doing right now in WWE.

[smurdock01]

Relying on the top title is what every promotion does. Raw, spends the majority of their time pushing the WWE Champion. Smackdown, pushes Edge and the World Championship. ECW doesn't because not many people watch ECW, honestly... Those fans are Smackdown fans who get a one-hour bonus...

The X-Division does have a lot of high flyers, but not ALL X-Division Champions have had that ability... The one right before Jay Lethal didn't... That's Kurt just incase you guys forgot...

I mean yeah, he had it all for a little while so they can build a storyline, but the point is it proves that you don't need that type of wrestling style to get the belt...

[drnitro]

They could just turn the X div title in to the mid card b having the MCMG and jay lose and thus make the x title extinct i hope they don't do that just becuse the x div is what made TNA cool to watch but they could turn it in to a TV title build it like the x title with no weight class not to sure on my wrestling history but did WCW or ECW ever have a weight limit of the TV title? The point being though that just because the x div title is gone doesn’t mean they couldn't go out and have a x div style match plus with the way TNA has been doing the x div it feels to me more like the C-weight title on smackdown there but not a special thing even though a lot of the guys where great in teh ring they didn't get the time which is what TNA has been doing just relabel the x div title as the TV title you get the mid card title but use the x div stars actually is all I hope they do

[Greenlight13]

I think they do need a mid-card title because they have changed as a company over the last 2 years or so. It used to be that you were either Heavyweight, X-Division or Tag Title contender, the X-Division had more star power, AJ, Christopher Daniels, Samoa Joe, Petey Williams (before he got buried) and so on. The heavyweight division was smaller too, Abyss, Jarrett, Raven. Nowadays there are far more heavyweights, Sting, Angle, Cage, Steiner, Mesias, Booker T, Tomko. Now that's fine, but the X-Division has also matured so to speak, AJ and Joe have outgrown it and are now heavyweights while other X-Division talents have left the company. With less people of a lower calibre are in contention for their former mid-card belt and far more of a higher calibre gunning for their main title it creates an inbalance.

There needs to be a second-level belt, and that doesnt mean the X-Division needs to get sacrificed, it's just because those top-level talents can't work an X-style match, it's not about weight limits so it's not like the crusierweight division which is expected to be lower card. Just those heavyweight guys work a different style of match and need their own belt. I think the problem with TNA at the moment is they have too many guys with nothing to do, Joe & Booker for example. Robert Roode is damn good but he isnt good enough to hold the main belt, a solid mid-card title reign could make him though.

[rKo0019]

I agree that a mid-card belt would be an excellent stepping stone for those guys looking at the main event from the outside....but face it, TNA has one two-hour show a week...it's enough to push the X Division, Tag, Women's, and World title matches in one night. If they added another belt, it would just water down the value of the belts, and practically every match would be a title match on a night of Impact.
Plus, the promos, interviews, and backstage segments add time as well. But, if TNA had another show it would be plausible..unless they moved a title to be exclusive on Xplosion, but that is unlikely. The X Division is what made TNA, and another belt over that would make it seem less valuable.
This is not to take away from the value of the talent, who deserve more shots at gold, but looking at it from a business and TV standpoint...there is only so much TNA can do at this point....

[joe81014]

I think that there is a possiblility of TNA scrapping the X Division all toghether, if Team 3D wins, no more X Division right, and that opens up TNA for a new championship, but then again, that kind of defeats the purpose, doesnt it, well, either way, I think a new title would give people like Robert Roode and Eric Young and James Storm a championship to hold, since the X division is over crowded. It provides another stepping stone before they job to Angle.

[bmtangle]

To be honest, a mid-card belt will always be a fantastic idea and maybe they should do it, but you have to understand where the creative team is coming from to do such a direction as this. Talent is coming and going like we change underwear and also they are not so quick to put someone over unless they feel its a last resort and could show "promise" in the future (Kaz). Why do think you only see Angle in everything you see? I still say Joe is the future of the company, but go so far with him. That whole stole the belt thing was awesome and he proved he can be somebody in that league. AJ Styles was the first Triple Crown winner in TNA, what happened to that? Now Booker is in (don't get me wrong he one of my favorites) and he might get a top spot faster than Joe. I might be wrong, but TNA hasn't failed me yet. I feel they should have like a top five like set up. I seen something like that in a magazine and the better you are the faster you rise to the top. The fueds here could be endless if they did it right. I could see a five man battle royal for a number 1 contender spot. So its either a mid-card belt or do a ranking system.

[TapOrSnapFTW]

I pray to whoever's up in the heavens every night for a mid card title. I honest to god think it'll give the Robert Roode's, James Storm's, Kazarian, Booker T, Rellik Black Reign and anyone else a shot at greatness without engaging in dumbass monster house angles (Super Eric vs. Reign/Rellik) Mid card title woild be the greatest thing to happen to wrestling since Kurt Angle

[WinstonDeckard]

If they let their in house talent truly have the spotlight I don't think there'd be a need for another title. Because then some of the in house talent would seriously vie for the main title and then some of the names brought in can duke it out without having to have a title because they've accomplished so much and they have name recognition. But it is hard to see a mid card title in the future due to the roster turnover rate but maybe the roster wouldn't turn over so much if there was a mid card title. So really I'm pretty much split on this issue.

[doublej_TNA]

THe Mid-card title is something LONG overdue.
But I do agree with the statement about the lower tallent not needing a title.

you have GREAT tallent like Roode, Morgan, Storm, and to spice it up throw Steiner, Nash, Booker, Rhino into the mix.

X-division is being labeled as a cruserwieght division which is wrong. not saying those guys should not get a shot at the belt but there are other talent that can sell the tickets if they are champs and not to mention it will establish the belt in 5-10 years looking back.

I also think Sharkboy deserves a run, b/c he is KILLER on house shows and is entertaining to watch.
X-division should have a harcore match every now and then, and be headlining Impacts.

so either use it for crusierweights only and get a mid card (i sugesst either TV title or a North American title (lots of Canadian/Mexican guys there)

there is WAY too much underutilzed mid card tallent to let to by!