Jake's Right, Hornswoggle IS A Rapist. And All Of You Are Sick For Thinking Otherwise

[Y 2 Jake]

Anyone else see it? No? I did. When he decided to be a sexual predator. If I spyed on somebody in the shower what would happen to me? I'd get arrested and put on a sex offenders register.

If I chased after a girl in just a towel, do you not think a bystander would stop me? And if I ripped off her towel would I not get arrested? And yet WWE fans cheer this shit. They cheer a would be rapist. Is it acceptable to rape if your a midget?

[TheOneBigWill]

I think this needs to be in the "Is W.W.E. racist" thread. Because clearly they're allowing Hornswoggle to get by with selective acts that any normal man could not.

If you think about it, this is not his first sexual offense. He's done multiple run-unders of female's dresses. Seriously, even OUT of character, do you not think the man gets off on it?!

I suppose he truly is a McMahon lol

By the way, Jake, have you actually tried any of these acts to see if you'd get slapped with an arrest warrent, or put on a sexual offenders list? lol

[sammy j]

you are joking, right? if you are, cool, if not....

jesus christ. if you handcuffed a guy and kicked the shit out of his father you'd be in trouble with the police too, if you catch my drift...

[TheOneBigWill]

you are joking, right? if you are, cool, if not....

jesus christ. if you handcuffed a guy and kicked the shit out of his father you'd be in trouble with the police too, if you catch my drift...

Actually, thats apart of Professional Wrestling.. but going around & potentially being a rapist, isn't. Hornswoggle should be jailed for his crimes. Midgets shouldn't get free passes to the promise land without paying a price for their actions.

[bowlinbing]

wow... just wow. If you wen for a drink with Melina, and if you thought you could get away with it, would you not spy on women while they shower? It's a kind of perverse fantasy that the fans are cheering because, let's face it, Melina is hot. As for running under women's skirts and dresses, well, he's short, it's kind of funny, because he's short and so are the skirts/dresses. Plus, the end of it when he saves Cena's title pretty much counteracted any ill you could've seen developing. Hornswoggle is just a guy, he like hot women.

[PocketJokers]

This would never happen if Melina didn't give the 'ok' to it all. Hornswoggle is simply put in this storyline to give the fans something to laugh about, because vince knows that all three brands are not cutting out promos like they have been in the past, and he's trying to spice em up. And I enjoy it, I enjoyed Noble's/Hornswoggle's promos, and I loved this one. WWE isn't meant to be thought of this deep, seeing as people have been run over by cars, vandalism to Vince's property, and stealing and selling the wrestlers things to fans. Why would thsi be different? If you remember, the dudleys(when in WWE) stole Jericho's and Christians clothes and threw the bags to the fans, Spike came out, and stole there towels, revealing everything. I'd say that is far worse morally than this, but did you have a problem with it then? Not likely.

[bwaller]

Anyone else see it? No? I did. When he decided to be a sexual predator. If I spyed on somebody in the shower what would happen to me? I'd get arrested and put on a sex offenders register.

If I chased after a girl in just a towel, do you not think a bystander would stop me? And if I ripped off her towel would I not get arrested? And yet WWE fans cheer this shit. They cheer a would be rapist. Is it acceptable to rape if your a midget?

>>insert laughter here<<

funny how you can post dumbshit that really has no point and its ok but others get banned for making their comments....

ok, i'll play your silly little game....

yes jake...i saw the heel turn last night....that was crazy....wow....didnt see it coming....

[Y 2 Jake]

>>insert laughter here<<

funny how you can post dumbshit that really has no point and its ok but others get banned for making their comments....



The point, which is obviously lost on you is this: How come fan's cheer storyines that in real life are actually pretty sick? And why does WWE promote these as comedy?

The Hornswoggle incidednt was just a way of starting the thread. I could go on about Bra And Panties matches if you would like. Where the object of the match is to rip the clother of a female performer.

[bowlinbing]

so, you were a big 'Right to Censor" fan, eh?

Sex sells, controversy sells, and controversial sex sells more than both put together. I agree it's morally shady, and probbably verges on deplorable, but then, doesn't a trained WWE superstar beating up an untrained person also cross that line. Oh, wait, that's just part of the business, right, fake fighting is ok, but not anything else that might make WWe some money.

Were you this out spoke about Vis as the worlds largest love machine? How about Val Venis when me made fun of the size Big Show's dong? I mean, yeah, fine, call it morally bankrupt and you're right, but come on. They know it'll sell and until that changes... well, I guess you get to live with Hornswoggle, Venis, and Vince being pervs. It's life.

[Lee]

so, you were a big 'Right to Censor" fan, eh?

Sex sells, controversy sells, and controversial sex sells more than both put together. I agree it's morally shady, and probbably verges on deplorable, but then, doesn't a trained WWE superstar beating up an untrained person also cross that line. Oh, wait, that's just part of the business, right, fake fighting is ok, but not anything else that might make WWe some money.

Were you this out spoke about Vis as the worlds largest love machine? How about Val Venis when me made fun of the size Big Show's dong? I mean, yeah, fine, call it morally bankrupt and you're right, but come on. They know it'll sell and until that changes... well, I guess you get to live with Hornswoggle, Venis, and Vince being pervs. It's life.

Looks like my port of call to step in here

That skit was the lowest the WWE has got that doesn't involve dead people or Mae Young. It was disgraceful the shower scene, yeah you've mentioned them making jokes, heck DX lived off cock jokes but this wasn't Hornswoggle making a joke about melinas tits, it was him chasing her and ripping the towel off her and if he wasnt so small the actions leading up to it could be seen as attempted rape! I for one was apalled at this and noticed the crowd wern't as loud for this segment...

sex sells? You think people will watch raw next week because of this skit? Nope it'll be because of some 30 second video that aired.

[bowlinbing]

Actually, I'll watch raw either way- confusing video or not, and actually, WWE has done this before. I'm not saying its my favorite situation. In fact, morally, it was perverse, but I'm sure Vince thought it was funny. That said, will he do it again? Of course, somewhere down the line, someone else will "wander" where he shouldn't be. Is that any worse than the SvR06 video game storyline with Torrie Wilson in the shower? Again, you're absolutely right, this probbably shouldn't be on tv that children watch, but going back to the initial push, this was certianly not a heel turn. Not unless Vince suddenly turns face.

[Greenlight13]

Guys seriously! Him chasing her does not mean he was going to rape her! To say this was a particularly noteworthy/standout skit from WWE is a bit far! I'd argue DX saying Vince loves cocks, or Vince saying always use protection is more controversial than a midget chasing a hot chick in a towel!

[Derf]

Half the stuff in the WWE is made up of people commiting crimes that are usally illeagal, biut since it's all a show, it's ok. Hornswoggle being a sex offender, orton kicking a bunch of guys in the head, one being a FAN (Mr Cena WAS a fan at the time), Chrids Masters applying the Masterlock on fans, All the DX vandalizm, theres all kinds of TV shows. They're all actors. You wouldn't arrest every single actor that killed someone on a show like CSI, would you? No, cause they were acting.

EDIT: I forgot to mention Cryme Tyme, and just about EVERYTHING they did.

[IC25]

Have any of you ever seen Bad Santa?

Hornswoggle is immune to the rape laws of the common land, because he is, that is to say, a "little person." Some common derogatory names include "midget" or "dwarf" or "Nelwyn."

In Bad Santa, the black little person and Billy Bob Thornton explained to John Ritter what would happen if the little guy got fired. "Thousand of them lil muthafuckas protesting yo ass, holdin up little picket signs." A sexual predator registry? That's for old white guys and wrestling fans with names like "SlyFox."

Affirmative Action - Hornswoggle can't get in trouble. Plus, he's a McMahon, and his father once made Trish bark like a dog.

Haven't we all...

[bwaller3]

Anyone else see it? No? I did. When he decided to be a sexual predator. If I spyed on somebody in the shower what would happen to me? I'd get arrested and put on a sex offenders register.

If I chased after a girl in just a towel, do you not think a bystander would stop me? And if I ripped off her towel would I not get arrested? And yet WWE fans cheer this shit. They cheer a would be rapist. Is it acceptable to rape if your a midget?

so because i called your little post dumb your gonna ban me?....lol, might as well ban this name too....lol...and i'm the prick......get TNA's nuts off your chin there Jake and quit slaming WWE fans for cheering what the want to cheer.....last post dont worry....i just figured id take the time to tell you that you guys run a shitty forum and you are a moron. thants all...im done posting.

[Hdog684]

The point, which is obviously lost on you is this: How come fan's cheer storyines that in real life are actually pretty sick? And why does WWE promote these as comedy?

The Hornswoggle incidednt was just a way of starting the thread. I could go on about Bra And Panties matches if you would like. Where the object of the match is to rip the clother of a female performer.

Gee, maybe because they know it's scripted? When you can post some type of proof that Melina didn't know what was going to happen in advance, hell when you can post some type of proof that Melina was actually naked under the towel (hint: she wasn't), and when you can post some type of proof that Hornswaggle had intentions of breaking character and sexually assaulting Melina...you'll have a semi legitimate point. But I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you can't prove any of this.

Why did the fans laugh? Melina was a heel. As we saw earlier, she only accepted the date because she was promised a women's title match. If he had done that to say, Mickie James, that might be considered a heel turn. But as it is, obviously you're not very familiar with wrestling today if you think that was a heel turn.

Why did the fans laugh when DX vandalized the McMahon's limo and the WWE headquarters? Why did the fans laugh when Stone Cold destroyed a car that costs god knows how many hundreds of thousands of dollars by pouring concrete in it, and a few more by running them over with a monster truck? It goes on and on. When they know it's fake, fans feel it's OK to cheer the misfortunes of people who they don't like. And because it's fake, it IS ok for them to cheer the misfortunes of people who they don't like.

As for the moral part of it and the children watching thing, it's rated TV 14 for a reason. They have AM Raw on Saturdays and Sundays for a reason...I could be wrong, but I have a feeling that scene isn't going to be on there. Instead of slamming the WWE for doing things when children might be watching, maybe take a closer look at the parents who let their children watch this. This isn't the first time the WWE has done something like that and it sure won't be the last.

[Y 2 Jake]

STOP THE PRESS

Gee, maybe because they know it's scripted?


Wrestling is scripted? WTF? So it wasn't Hornswoggle who has rape on his mind but a WWE writer. This makes it worse. To a degree it was ok that Hornsoggle was going to do it. #1 He has a better view. #2 Midgets dont go to prison. #3 He's like a child. And children would never do anything like that.

I know that hitting somebody with a chair is questionable. I know that attacking fans is questionable.

BUT. How many fans do you have? Not many, so how do you attack a fan?

How many folded up steel chairs do you see? And do you hit people when you see the oppertunity.

But what would you do if you saw your mother in a towel. From the looks of this thread I think the majority of you would have sodomy on your mind.

The End.

[RADencker]

Oh geez! I think you guys are overthinking this, big time! They only have him doing it, because it's supposed to be FUNNY!!!! You're not supposed to take anything Hornswoggle does seriously.. If you took anything on WWE Serious, you would know that the wrestling matches themselves constitute assault, they even poke fun at themselves by having the announcers say something like "If this were an ordinary man outside, he'd be thrown in jail for assault". JR has done that numerous times. the way WWE gets away with it is because it's ENTERTAINMENT.. Not real-life, like MMA or boxing. I think you should stop over-analyzing it, and accept it for what it is, ENTERTAINMENT!!

oh yeah, Hornswoggle Rulez!!!

[TheOneBigWill]

Jake, I think I figured out why you create threads like these. It creates nice discussion, but more importantly.. it brings out the people who don't belong here on the forums.

Apparently they can't understand or catch on to your point of view & sense of humor.

Oh, & for the record.. when I see several folded chairs (at Wal*Mart) & I'm around friends, yes.. I do tend to take one down & wack said fellow friend in the back. I've taken exactly ONE chair shot to the head, not exactly full force.. but good enough, & I'm (weirdly enough) smarter in knowing not to do it again.. lol

[IC25]

Well said, Will, my fellow Canadian superstar. Anytime a poster on this board has to resort to "you know it's fake, right" or "because it's scripted," straight up bothers me.

I think we need to create a sub-forum in the Prison called "The Firing Squad" where the gross idiocy of such people can be convened before they get shot.

Jake, good satire here.

[JayAvarice]

So its not scripted anymore and the stars just run around doing as they please with the camera just happening to be in the right spot? I'm sorry but anytime you compare a WWE angle or instance to something in real life that can get you arrested is funny to me. You know you can't go around and chokeslam someone without getting arrested to right? You're talking about taste and opinion rather than law or fact. Its good for discussion but since we all should have an IQ of at least 100 before being able to post on here i believe this thread is null and void.

[Lil Kru]

So its not scripted anymore and the stars just run around doing as they please with the camera just happening to be in the right spot? I'm sorry but anytime you compare a WWE angle or instance to something in real life that can get you arrested is funny to me. You know you can't go around and chokeslam someone without getting arrested to right? You're talking about taste and opinion rather than law or fact. Its good for discussion but since we all should have an IQ of at least 100 before being able to post on here i believe this thread is null and void.

I must agree this is no worse then what they have done in the past such as when some of the male wrestlers beat up on a female etc. If you were just going for a joke postit wasnt very good sorry to point it out but keep trying to be funny and if you were serious then your just a plain idiot sorry being honest.

[a7xoff]

We all know that it's not real, but as far as the joke goes. I think it's pretty funny. Someone earlier mentioned that sex sells. Well it does, but its not going to right now... 30 second matrix videos are what's hot on the market right now not a leprachaun spyin on nude women, which is just commical in itself

[I'm GaGa]

i didn't see where was the heel turn but that was pretty sick how can someone chase a girl just to rip her off a towel that was a low point to the wwe indeed this was the sickest skit since the Katie Vick necrophilia angle

[ACTAFOOL]

well to the topic, no it wasnt a heel turn cuz melina was a heel, and at the end of raw when they showed that it was hornswoggle that made that cena vs coach match it was pretty obvious he was still suppose to be face... hes never gonna be a heel, fans dont want to boo midgets.... oh and u know what else is dumb, why does vince treat him like a kid when hes actually just short? its obvious hes pretty old... thats another morally incorrect thing...

man i just think every1 needs to relax, WWE has always done this type of
stuff, how come only now hornswoggle is getting heat for it??? WWE has so many issues in promos and doing wrong things but only now ppl complain? i guess its just fun to bash WWE and wrestling nowadays huh...... no1 thought it was wrong when kane burned ppl, or stone cold did all his crap, but no hornswoggle tried to take a womens towel off! OMG!, dude if u, or any1 else for that matter, think this is so morally incorrect, then u must agree that pretty much everything in WWE is morally incorrect

if u/any1 else feels so strongley about this, stop watching WWE... or try and sue them, good luck =D

[The Late Great ZK]

This thread actually makes me feel guilty for everytime I've laughed at the hidden camera footage from the Pi House in Revenge of the Nerds...

Oh, wait... no it didn't.

And remember, even midget serial killers are funny... not to mention cute.

[Y 2 Jake]

We all know that it's not real, but as far as the joke goes. I think it's pretty funny. Someone earlier mentioned that sex sells. Well it does, but its not going to right now... 30 second matrix videos are what's hot on the market right now not a leprachaun spyin on nude women, which is just commical in itself

How long is it before sexual assault sells? We've had a necro angle. They've hinted at rape in the Angle/Booker feud. How long is it until we see a sweaty Kane bearing down over a weeping Rey Mysterio?

[a7xoff]

How long is it before sexual assault sells? We've had a necro angle. They've hinted at rape in the Angle/Booker feud. How long is it until we see a sweaty Kane bearing down over a weeping Rey Mysterio?

If I recall we already had a sweaty Kane bearing down over a weeping Lita. Then Snitsky killed the baby O.O

Sexual Assult will sell as soon as 30 second matrix videos stop selling... It would be really commical seeing Hornswoggle chase the girls around week after week

[MasterOfRoc]

Alot of people are forgetting the biggest thing.

This is Entertainment

When something like this happens, it is OK'ed by all parties, if it wasn't, then they would end up being fired (remember Cryme Tyme, who were fired for performing a move (even in a safe manner) on an unsuspecting referee)

Look at all the day time soap opera's, we see Deaths, Assaults, etc, and thats fine, because its entertainment.

Primarily, WWE TV Employees, while being Athletes, are ACTORS!

[Y 2 Jake]

I'm still not getting how watching a potential sexual assault is entertaining.

Ever seen Irreversible? Is the rape in that entertaining? Nope. It's making a statement. What statement is WWE making by having these sort of things as comedy angles?

[MasterOfRoc]

This is no different from a 15 year old kid, looking up "naughty pictures" on the internet. 99 times out of 100, the images are taken with consent.

In this case, it is a midget,looking at another persons "naughty parts" with her consent! (the only difference, is it is being Taped and played on World Wide Television!

The skit wouldn't have been shot, if this wasn't the case!

As you can see, i have 2 words highlighted.

Skit - Noun
1. A short, usually comic dramatic performance or work; a theatrical sketch.
In otherwords, its Television, no different than watching "Days of Our Lives"

Consent - Noun
Compliance in or approval of what is done or proposed by another; specifically : the voluntary agreement or acquiescence by a person of age or with requisite mental capacity who is not under duress or coercion and usually who has knowledge or understanding
In otherwords, Melina said it could be done. We all know the term used by Defense Lawyers/Attourneys. "Its Not Rape if you want it"

(Definitions taken from Dictionary.com)


I'm still not getting how watching a potential sexual assault is entertaining.
Righty Oh, look at a boxing bout. On your line of thought, this would be "Potential Assault," but as we all know, its not!

[ElMikeO]

If you're going to complain about things like this and how they shouldn't be allowed to do stuff like that on TV, then we have to get rid of a lot of movies. You need to lighten up. Nobody was actually getting raped. People were laughing because they knew it wasn't serious and because they have a sense of humor, which you clearly do not.

You can pick apart nearly everything and find lots of things that aren't 'morally correct' if you want to.

[angelsnairwaves3]

god damn you are all fuckin stupid for arguing about any of this, just piss off, the end.

[Y 2 Jake]

This is no different from a 15 year old kid, looking up "naughty pictures" on the internet. 99 times out of 100, the images are taken with consent.

It's totally different. Women posing topless is just an image. A midgets wandering hands shows you how to attack women.



Righty Oh, look at a boxing bout. On your line of thought, this would be "Potential Assault," but as we all know, its not!

Boxing is a real spot without ''drama'' storylines. Boxing is built on feuds and title shots. There's no need for peeping tom storylines. Oh no wait. One of boxings biggest stars is an actuall rapist. And the number one boxing promoter is a murderer.

[Y 2 Jake]

If you're going to complain about things like this and how they shouldn't be allowed to do stuff like that on TV, then we have to get rid of a lot of movies. You need to lighten up. Nobody was actually getting raped. People were laughing because they knew it wasn't serious and because they have a sense of humor, which you clearly do not.

You can pick apart nearly everything and find lots of things that aren't 'morally correct' if you want to.

But that's my point. It's making a sexual assault angle into a comedy angle. People are laughing at something that would make most people sick. Is it acceptable because it's in the form of comedy or because it's done by a comedy wrestler. No it's not.

And I have a sense of humor. But I dont find it funny. You idea of comedy is different to mine. You the sort of person who laughs at D-X cock jokes. I only find things funny that a child couldn't think up. I was making up cock jokes when I was 10, I've moved on since then, I'm now laughing at child abuse.

[Y 2 Jake]

god damn you are all fuckin stupid for arguing about any of this, just piss off, the end.

I for one aren't arguing. I'm starting a discussion. Which is the purpose of the forum. And it's working. Read this post and learn from it. Realise that the point of a forum is to talk about stuff.

[lessthantrav]

Y 2 jake u could be in prison for having a threat as your tagline thingy

"Im Gonna Hunt You Down You Sick Bastard, Y2jake"

yes thats a threat can be taken to court and bad things happen

[Y 2 Jake]

Y 2 jake u could be in prison for having a threat as your tagline thingy

"Im Gonna Hunt You Down You Sick Bastard, Y2jake"

yes thats a threat can be taken to court and bad things happen

You're right. I'm going to sue wwe90% for saying he's going to hunt me down. You're so right man. Hey thanks for the advice. So you're with me right? Hornswoggle is a rapist.

[psykohurricane]

O.k, everybody calm down, first of all, how is Hornswoggle a rapist? did he have force sex with melina. No i didn'T all he did was chase her and remove her towel. It's been done alot in movies so why is it that big of a deal now. I'm not sure, but am thinking that it's a big deal for most of you because it's a little person that did it. If it would have been Mr mcmahon doing it instead of Hornswoggle, you would be offended. Also, you could make the point that he's a rapist because he jump on melina in the first segment of the story, but the fact is that he did the same thing to Mr Mcmahon the week before, so if he's a rapist because he jump on Melina, he must have rape mr. mcmahon the week before. So in conclusion, i don't think that rape is funny at all, and it shoudn't never happen but lighten up people, what happen last week wasn't that bad all it was was hornswoggle being a voyeur and humiating Melina the same way that'S being done in movies.

[ACTAFOOL]

ya, for starters hornswoggle didnt rape her, in other words, hes not a rapist

and please its just a skit why do ppl have to take things so seriously? god ppl nowadays just love to complain about crap, this was a comedy skit, though i didnt find it funny, some ppl did, just because i didnt find it funny doesnt mean i need to be bashing WWE for this, it was a stupid skit but hey thats what it was a damn skit

if SNL did something like this with a midget i doubt ppl would be jumping down their throats, calm down, if u were offended by it, fine.. then u must be offended by pretty much 90% of not only what WWE does but by 90% of whats on TV, my advice is stop taking things so seriously, or stop watching WWE... geez.... ppl really dont have anything to do except come here and complain about every little thing in WWE... why is it that nowadays ppl are so touchy...

[Papa Shango]

Remember when DX threw Coach thru a wall pantsed him and spraypainted his thonged ass? Ugh, the imagery is horrendous. Anyways, I'm pretty sure that also counts as a form of sexual assault. But noone was in a rage over that. Just sayin'.

[Danyoyo]

Do i think Jake actually agrees with the point he's making in this thread? Nope
So it's either
A) Trying to get a discussion going, obviously they need 2 sides, so he's playing the side most won't take. That's quite healthy for a forum.

or

B) Trolling. Baiting people in with a very bias first post, which clearly people will argue and get worked up. Which is happening. That's quite bad from a moderator.


Upto you all how you interpret it.
But chill imo.

[Hdog684]

Jake, I think I figured out why you create threads like these. It creates nice discussion, but more importantly.. it brings out the people who don't belong here on the forums.

Apparently they can't understand or catch on to your point of view & sense of humor.


So basically this is his world and we're all privileged to live in it(or in this case, post in it)...we all have to play by his rules and applaud his sense of humor or we don't belong here....glad we got that cleared up.

And clearly we have different definitions of nice discussion if you think saying people cheer rapists and have sodomy in mind when they see their mother in a towel creates nice discussion.


A) Trying to get a discussion going, obviously they need 2 sides, so he's playing the side most won't take. That's quite healthy for a forum.

or

B) Trolling. Baiting people in with a very bias first post, which clearly people will argue and get worked up. Which is happening. That's quite bad from a moderator.


If anybody who wasn't a moderator post what Jake has posted in this thread, the thread would be removed and the poster banned. Calling somebody a rapist is not creating healthy discussion. Saying people would cheer rapists and saying people have sodomy on their mind when they see their mother in a towel is not creating healthy discussion. The next time somebody asks me what trolling is, I'm going to show them this thread.

[Y 2 Jake]

Do i think Jake actually agrees with the point he's making in this thread? Nope
So it's either
A) Trying to get a discussion going, obviously they need 2 sides, so he's playing the side most won't take. That's quite healthy for a forum.

Correct. I didn't watch it on Monday and get all offended. I watched it and though ''How can people find this amusing'' It's not funny. And in real life it's a form of sexual assault. Nobody can deny it. Chasing after somebody in a towel and then ripping it off is sexual assault. It didn't anger me but I was confused as to why this was offered up as a comedy segment.


B) Trolling. Baiting people in with a very bias first post, which clearly people will argue and get worked up. Which is happening. That's quite bad from a moderator.

I am in a way. But I thought trolling was going specifically after one poster. It's me who's being attacked in this thread. I'm not attacking specific individuals. I'm going after each post and picking holes in them. It's irrelevant who the poster is, if they say something stupid then I'll reply back. Say something intelligent like what Big Will or Irish Canadian did then there's no need. Doesn't bother me. Everyone appears to be saying the same thing. It's funny, wrestlings fake, Melina was aware of the storyline. And then I get flamed. Again I dont care. The purpose of the forum is to create discussion. Which this is doing. It's certainly a better thread than Who's your fave wrestler, or I hate Cena etc. I look over those for spam. I dont read them to get people opinions. Unlike this one.


Upto you all how you interpret it.
But chill imo.

Exactly. It's just wrestling. Who gives a shit.

[Y 2 Jake]

So basically this is his world and we're all privileged to live in it(or in this case, post in it)...we all have to play by his rules and applaud his sense of humor or we don't belong here....glad we got that cleared up.

Who's laughing about this thread. I'm not. I'm making a point. I didn't think the angle was funny. My sense of humour is in the Bar Room. Outise of there my posts are serious. If you think I'm trying to be funny then that's just my natural wit and charm coming through and you haven't read the thread properly.

And clearly we have different definitions of nice discussion if you think saying people cheer rapists and have sodomy in mind when they see their mother in a towel creates nice discussion.

Sarcasm. Hangs head. It just doesn't work in text.



If anybody who wasn't a moderator post what Jake has posted in this thread, the thread would be removed and the poster banned.

No. If the thread creates discussion then it stays. Unless it has been done before. Hornswoggle the rapist has never been done before. So it stays.

Your one of those posters who hates the big bad moderators. Why? Because there the ones that give out the infractions. And you have two of them. Two for flaming, which doesn't surprise me at all.

I'll also give you a little Jake fact. I hardly ever give infractions for flaming. If I did, most the people in this thread would be banned.

Calling somebody a rapist is not creating healthy discussion.

But it is. For once a thread has been made that's bringing out real emotion. They dont come along very often.

Saying people would cheer rapists

But they are. Hornswoggle will still be a face on Monday. And he'll still get a bigger pop than the whole of the ECW roster.

The next time somebody asks me what trolling is, I'm going to show them this thread.

Next time somebody asks me what flaming is I'll direct then to the two posts you recieved infractions for. :)

[BRandonkin]

y2j, we laughed at Cryme Tyme Stealing Cars and laptops. We watch triple H run over a man. We Austin break into Pillman House with Pillman with a gun. We saw DX vandalize Planes, building and take the bottom from under a limousine. We watch Mickie Jane stalk Trish. Why this story so offensive. And this is just not in WWE. We saw kurt ankle lock a girl. That abuse of women. Yet it is wrestling and because it is wrestling, things that are terrible and horrific and sick can slide through the cracks. It then becomes character building. the same as a Joker who can do heinous acts, but we let it slide. It entertainment. The reason we cheer for Danny Ocean to steal from three casinos. It Entertainment.

[Y 2 Jake]

we laughed at Cryme Tyme Stealing Cars and laptops. We watch triple H run over a man. We Austin break into Pillman House with Pillman with a gun. We saw DX vandalize Planes, building and take the bottom from under a limousine. We watch Mickie Jane stalk Trish. Why this story so offensive. And this is just not in WWE. We saw kurt ankle lock a girl. That abuse of women. What is the point

I was waiting for somebody to point out other angles. Thank you. I'm not just on about this angle. I'm on about all of them in general. The comedy ones specifically. So not so much HHH running over Austin, Mickie staliking Trish etc. Those are storyine angles that are promoted to advance storyilines. And there supposed to be serious.

But the Cryme Tyme angles also fall into this category. WWE promoting stealing as comedy. I'm also not getting how people find that amusing. Why were Cryme Tyme faces? What would happen if you got mugged by somebody? It's not exactly comedy is it. In fact that would probably fuck up your whole day.

[Y 2 Jake]

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/touts/splash/images/5538154

Is this not the face of a guilty man? It's not because he was stripped of the Cruiserweight title. No, no. It's because he know's what he did was naughty. He thought it was funny. But he then came to realisation that stuff like that isn't funny. He realises that stuff like that would be traumatic if it was in an every day situation. He also realises that there's no need for angles like that in wrestling. He realises that it wont further a storyline and is therefore pointless.

[BRandonkin]

Man, you responded so fast that I did not get to edit it before you responded. But what I added on is that we let things slide, because it is entertainment. And then I went brought up movies and character where heinous acts are used for character progression. But we cheer the them just because entertainment. I used Ocean 11, 12, 13 where you are right, if I was robbed of a 150 million, I be hurt, but in the movie I cheer ocean and them. In wrestling if it was my sister on the street being chased in a towel I be mad as well, but because it entertainment and I know all party were okay with it, I can enjoy and imagine what Melina must look like under their.

[Y 2 Jake]

Man, you responded so fast that I did not get to edit it before you responded. But what I added on is that we let things slide, because it is entertainment. And then I went brought up movies and character where heinous acts are used for character progression. But we cheer the them just because entertainment. I used Ocean 11, 12, 13 where you are right, if I was robbed of a 150 million, I be hurt, but in the movie I cheer ocean and them. In wrestling if it was my sister on the street being chased in a towel I be mad as well, but because it entertainment and I know all party were okay with it, I can enjoy and imagine what Melina must look like under their.

It's not a movie though. It's wrestling. Movies have to have plenty of storylines. And plenty of different characters. There have to be different types of movies, comedy, horror, drama etc.

In wrestling all you need is intresting gimmicks and good matches. You cant really compare them.

[BRandonkin]

yeah you can. The match is the peak of the story. For great movie and wrestling, you need interesting characters and a good story. The storyline adds to the climax of the story. And everything a character should support the personality of the character, even as sneaky Little bastard. I mean if you just watch wrestling and saw two men in a steel cage fighting for no apparent reason is just would not make sense. Me personally, I like the characters who result in epic matches, yet it has to make some type of sense. You have the build the drama whether it is movie or boxing, wrestling. Building the drama is key to the entertainment value of anything and that happen through story and character development.

I for one never understood boxing, where you would let people beat each other for entertainment. Like they literally wanna hurt each other for a belt. That ridiculous.

[Y 2 Jake]

yeah you can. The match is the peak of the story. For great movie and wrestling, you need interesting characters and a good story. The storyline adds to the climax of the story.

Yeah but the greatest feuds of all time haven't involved bad comedy angles.

And everything a character should support the personality of the character, even as sneaky Little bastard.

He's a face now though.

I mean if you just watch wrestling and saw two men in a steel cage fighting for no apparent reason is just would not make sense.

That's how wrestling is promoted now though. WWE frequently promotes Cage matches for no reason and TNA has a whole pointless PPV containing cage matches.

Me personally, I like the characters who result in epic matches, yet it has to make some type of sense.

I agree. But the Hornswoggle incident wont lead to anything. Therefore it was pointless.

You have the build the drama whether it is movie or boxing, wrestling. Building the drama is key to the entertainment value of anything and that happen through story and character development.

Same as I said above. Hornswoggle is in a storyline as Vince's son. Which will presumably lead to a match or feud with him. I don't know it yet. But I presume that that incident from last week wont lead anywhere.

I for one never understood boxing, where you would let people beat each other for entertainment. Like they literally wanna hurt each other for a belt. That ridiculous.

They do if for the money and because they want to be the best. Like most things in life.

[Thanatos1369]

OK, I've read through this entire thread, from the beginning, and can see both sides of the story. Have seen all the common arguments, such as it's scripted, wrestling's fake, every person has given their permission to perform the scene, and so on for one side, and the pressing argument of how Hornswoggle is a rapist for chasing Melina all around the backstage area, ripping off her towel, and wondering why people are cheering for it.

In my opinion, and this is only my opinion, Hornswoggle's story dictated this, because in his way, he was getting back at Melina for what she was telling Jillian Hall, about how much she smells because of him rubbing his hands all over her, that she did it for a future shot at the Women's Championship. When Hornswoggle ran under Kristal's wedding dress, it was obvious that Kristal knew it was going to happen, or she wouldn't have been standing with her legs spread far enough apart for him to get under her dress without getting stuck. In real life, how many women does anyone know that intentionally stand with their legs spread far enough apart for a little person to scoot through them while trying to run away from someone else?

Yes, it is sick to have this sort of storyline played out on prime time TV, yes it's wrestling, but no, it's not real, and it shouldn't be expected to be real. The storylines have a general path to progress on, and the storyline behind Hornswoggle, aside from being Vince's illegitimate child, is he is trying to be a McMahon, trying to impress his "Father," and if he is looked down upon, he gets revenge in the most impish of ways. So what is wrong with him getting a little payback for all the times he has been wronged for it?

On a side note, how many times has Hornswoggle been ridiculed, from the time he was playing as Finlay's Leprechaun, Michael Cole was calling him the "Little Bastard" for getting involved in the matches, throwing Finlay another shileleigh (however the heck you want to spell it), getting thrown by Finlay onto his (Finlay's) opponents (Midget tossing...isn't that a Federal crime these days?) Nobody has ever pitched a complaint about that, because it was part of a storyline, and Hornswoggle was a heel character, helping Finlay win his matches. He's in another storyline, and that's how sick this has become.

For instance, look at Mark Henry. When a superstar needs some time off to tend to some nagging injuries, a storyline is written for Mark Henry to beat the bloody pulp out of them (Batista, Undertaker, Kane, Bobby Lashley), giving them legitimate time off, with a storyline reason. In the real world, that is assault, manslaughter, attempted murder...the list goes on and on...sex and violence sells...if it didn't, the WWE wouldn't be a multi-billion dollar conglomerate, and the stars wouldn't be making 6-figure salaries on a regular basis.

If anything, Hornswoggle is a pervert, a voyeur...not a rapist. He didn't attempt to have unsolicited sex with Melina, or any other female character he has interacted with. He is a pervert, just like his dad Vince.

[Y 2 Jake]

OK, I've read through this entire thread, from the beginning, and can see both sides of the story. Have seen all the common arguments, such as it's scripted, wrestling's fake, every person has given their permission to perform the scene, and so on for one side, and the pressing argument of how Hornswoggle is a rapist for chasing Melina all around the backstage area, ripping off her towel, and wondering why people are cheering for it.

In my opinion, and this is only my opinion, Hornswoggle's story dictated this, because in his way, he was getting back at Melina for what she was telling Jillian Hall, about how much she smells because of him rubbing his hands all over her, that she did it for a future shot at the Women's Championship. When Hornswoggle ran under Kristal's wedding dress, it was obvious that Kristal knew it was going to happen, or she wouldn't have been standing with her legs spread far enough apart for him to get under her dress without getting stuck. In real life, how many women does anyone know that intentionally stand with their legs spread far enough apart for a little person to scoot through them while trying to run away from someone else?

Yes, it is sick to have this sort of storyline played out on prime time TV, yes it's wrestling, but no, it's not real, and it shouldn't be expected to be real. The storylines have a general path to progress on, and the storyline behind Hornswoggle, aside from being Vince's illegitimate child, is he is trying to be a McMahon, trying to impress his "Father," and if he is looked down upon, he gets revenge in the most impish of ways. So what is wrong with him getting a little payback for all the times he has been wronged for it?


Good intelligent post. But I'm really just on about how WWE promotes certain things as comedy. I just used Hornswoggle as a basis. The title is only like that to attract certain people. I do enjoy getting flamed.

[Thanatos1369]

I'd say it was comedy because what American Male, in the right mind, of course, wouldn't want to do what Hornswoggle is doing on a regular basis?

[ShowTyme]

you're kidding right? I saw this post a few days ago, thinking it was just someone trying to be funny. Now its still going and I cant figure out why. Apparently someone forgot that this is a scripted, unreal reality. If you're going to say this is wrong, then shouldnt the entire concept of pro wrestling be something to look down upon? It promotes violence doesn't it? Dont people go to prison for assault? So by what you're saying, pro wrestling in general is wrong, and you're wrong for watching it and enjoying it. So now whos the guilty one?

[bowlinbing]

Jake, I actually see your point, I do. I'm not going to say that this was the height of any kind of entertainment, it certainly wasn't. But I have to disagree with you that you can't compare this skit on WWE Raw to any other kind of entertainment. I'll be the first to say that rape, murder, and assult have been used by a number of filmmakers- see Quentin Tarantino.
I guess my point amounts to this, you can't say that there isn't a comparison between wrestling and other forms of entertainment, because there certainly are. It's all entertainment and we all make a conscious decision about what we have decided to subject ourselves to.

[Y 2 Jake]

I'd say it was comedy because what American Male, in the right mind, of course, wouldn't want to do what Hornswoggle is doing on a regular basis?

That would be easier tyo read if it was in English. Do you mean that it's ok because you and other men would do the same? I wouldn't. Rape doesn't appeal to me. Too much wriggling.

[Y 2 Jake]

you're kidding right? I saw this post a few days ago, thinking it was just someone trying to be funny. Now its still going and I cant figure out why. Apparently someone forgot that this is a scripted, unreal reality. If you're going to say this is wrong, then shouldnt the entire concept of pro wrestling be something to look down upon? It promotes violence doesn't it? Dont people go to prison for assault? So by what you're saying, pro wrestling in general is wrong, and you're wrong for watching it and enjoying it. So now whos the guilty one?

That has been said by about half of the people in this thread.


Jake, I actually see your point, I do. I'm not going to say that this was the height of any kind of entertainment, it certainly wasn't. But I have to disagree with you that you can't compare this skit on WWE Raw to any other kind of entertainment. I'll be the first to say that rape, murder, and assult have been used by a number of filmmakers- see Quentin Tarantino.
I guess my point amounts to this, you can't say that there isn't a comparison between wrestling and other forms of entertainment, because there certainly are. It's all entertainment and we all make a conscious decision about what we have decided to subject ourselves to.

You pay to see a film because of the storyline, cast etc. You usually dont know what's going to happen in the film. You have a basic idea, but that's all. You chose to see that movie because it appeals to you. When you pay for a PPV what do you expect? Wrestling. Not lame comedy angles that will lead nowhere.

[bowlinbing]

Who wouldn't like a life where there are no consequences? As Peter Griffin explored on "Family Guy" when he was found to be mentally retarded, isn't that just as bad? I mean, it may be animated, but he walked into the women's bathroom and punched open every stall door. Is that not reprehensible? Please don't play the animation vs. real actors card on this one, because I think they'd have done this on a sit-com at some point anyways. You want to discuss inappropriate...

[MasterOfRoc]

The following is the definition of Rape.
Starts Here >>>| In most jurisdictions the crime of rape is defined to occur when sexual intercourse takes place (or is attempted) without valid consent of ALL of the parties involved. The penetration need not be by penis but can be by other body parts (e.g. digital penetration) or by objects, nor does it have to be penetration of the vagina, as penetration of the anus is also considered rape. (or in the case of a Female, the forcing of a vagina or anus onto a penis) |<<< Ends Here

As none of this took place, he simply CAN NOT be considered a rapist!

[Kennedythefuture]

people.. its a tv show.. i had no problem at all with it and it was funny because hornswoggle was getting payback.. you have to be a complete idiot to not be able to differentiate that ripping a towel off a girl is wrong if youre not in an awesome relationship with her..
HOWEVER..
if next week hornswoggle goes ripping towels off torrie wilson and candice, and fans react in the same way.. i still dont see it as a problem because im able to differentiate but i see how other can see that then theres a problem.. because its promoting that you can rip a towel off your friend or anyone.. when a heel gets attacked even in a sexually degrading way fans react laughing because they have it coming.. faces dont.

although, i do think they should create more sexually centered storylines and also should bring right to censor back to wrestling it would be GREAT for the show.

[wweman1]

i agree with Kennedy there is nothing wrong with that type of incident its all for the story line and i see no harm in it. i dont agree with hornswaggle being vinces son but it still is pretty entertaining

[Thanatos1369]

That would be easier tyo read if it was in English. Do you mean that it's ok because you and other men would do the same? I wouldn't. Rape doesn't appeal to me. Too much wriggling.

Jake, I guess you read too much into what I said there. What I meant was, what Red-blooded American male wouldn't want to chase a woman like Melina around, see what's under her towel, scoot under a dress while running away from someone else, hide in the smallest of places, and so on? What Hornswoggle is doing in his scripted role is more voyeurism than being even close to an attempted rapist. There's a big difference between being a voyeur and a rapist, my friend. I haven't seen a single episode where the Little Bastard is trying to have sex with any of the women on the show. Hornswoggle is a pervert, just like his "Dad."

[noone911]

1) It's a tv show and entertainment.
2) Hasn't this been done numerous times before? I recall Dean Malenko stalking Lita in the shower.
3) Clearly it's not rape, there was no action. You would have to classify it as harassment.

Just like others have said previously.

However. I do see Jake's point here that people would cheer for things that "aren't right." Clearly this is something that Jake has a problem with and other may as well.

But I'm sure other people have problems with spitting, disrespecting parents in front of their kids, necrophelia, abortion, murder, driving while intoxicated, guns, sexual deeds in return for favors and violence in general. All of which have been seen in WWE and others previously.

[ImpactPlayer27]

How could anyone take what happened in the storyline as if it were real. It was in the script and therefore can't be called it. I think the whole illegitimate son of Vince storyline is running it's course. And he didn't have sex with Melina on camera. It was written as part of the storyline and meant to be comedic. Anyone that has a problem with it, then write to the WWE and complain about it. I'm not bashing anybody with this nor am I taking sides. I'm just saying how can something that was written in a script for a storyline be considered rape. That's the only part I find confusing is that can it really be called that if it was part of a script?

Now, just because I'm saying it was written in to be comedic, doesn't mean I think it was good. And as far as why they'd put it in and think it's funny, have you seen what Vince McMahon thinks is funny? he thinks Mae Young in a swimsuit, lingerie, flashing her chest and being drunk out of her mind is funny. He also thinks grown men kissing his bare ass is funny. He thinks a fat hairy oily guy in a speedo dancing like an idiot is funny. Sex sells and crude humor to an extent sells and until the people that find it mildly amusing to funny stop watching them do stuff like this, they're gonna keep doing it because it's Vinny Mac's company, he signs the checks and more than anything what he says goes whether people like it or not. Not saying it's right because I don't think it is, but that's sadly what we got with the WWE.

[mabuza]

The point, which is obviously lost on you is this: How come fan's cheer storyines that in real life are actually pretty sick? And why does WWE promote these as comedy?

The Hornswoggle incidednt was just a way of starting the thread. I could go on about Bra And Panties matches if you would like. Where the object of the match is to rip the clother of a female performer.

Good point man.I think the WWE has alot of storylines that are disgusting,but knowone ever says anything.I remember how the got away with Bischoff's HOT LESBIAN ACTION & Kane's necrophilia storyline(Katie Vick) WWE 'S more sexist than racist.I dont think there's a glass ceiling for minority wrestlers,but women will never4 be taken seriously in that company

[Y 2 Jake]

Good point man.I think the WWE has alot of storylines that are disgusting,but knowone ever says anything.I remember how the got away with Bischoff's HOT LESBIAN ACTION & Kane's necrophilia storyline(Katie Vick) WWE 'S more sexist than racist.I dont think there's a glass ceiling for minority wrestlers,but women will never4 be taken seriously in that company

I suppose this thread applys to those sort of angles in a way. Not sure if the HLA was suppsed to be a comedy angle. But I certainly think that the Katie Vick one was. Or was that bad writing? Then again how many dead corpses do you see lying around? Not as many as you see females walking around.

Anyway I'm done with this thread. Nobody is actually really answering the one question that I'm trying to ask. Why do WWE promote stuff like that as comedy? Nobody appears to be giving me an answer. Everyones saying pretty much the same thing, ''I can differentiate between real and fake'' etc. So can I, that's not what I'm asking. I know Hornswoggle didn't attempt to rape Melina, but what he did do in the angle was a form of sexual assault. And it was portrayed as comedy. So until somebody answeres why WWE does that (other than to give immature wrestling fans erections) then I wont be replying to this thread anymore.

[mentalsynapse]

The reason that the WWE think that stuff like this is funny is because Mcmahon thinks its funny. You have t remember that the company is run by a guy that does what he wants, not what the fans want.

In his eyes he probably thinks that its the funniest thing ever! A midget leering on a woman!! How funny is that ?!!?!? Apparently not that funny...

But they are still going along this course because yesterdays raw had hornswaggle "strip" melina naked under the ring! Come to think about it there should have been a hell of a lot of sexual harrasment lawsuits going on the amount of times that women have been stripped and what not!!

At the end of the these angles makes the old saying true: Once a McMahon, always a pervert!

[MasterOfRoc]

Why do WWE play these angles as comedy?

Thats the easiest question i've answered all my life, and the answer, is because it makes everyone (except for you obviously) laugh!

Its a Comedy Angle, its not a sexual assault angle, its not a rape angle, its Comedy! You laugh at it, you dont make a big fuss over it, you just LAUGH!

[noone911]

There are some answers. They are promoting this because it's intended as a humor spot and to most people it is funny. Also, it does this. It causes people to talk.

Anything storyline they can do that is a fantasy that people can't actually get away with, they will.

[E C Dub]

Hornswaggle is not a rapist. At no point did we see him attempt or commit a sexual activity nor was penetration involved..

He can be seen as a pervert but that is completely different. To call someone a rapist when he didn't commit the act is completely wrong and inaccurate..

There are much larger issues the WWE has played on that could be talked about as serious..

[Lee]

Hornswaggle is not a rapist. At no point did we see him attempt or commit a sexual activity nor was penetration involved..

He can be seen as a pervert but that is completely different. To call someone a rapist when he didn't commit the act is completely wrong and inaccurate..



He chased a girl out of a shower down the hall way, it's only cos he didn't catch her was she safe. That to me is attempting to commit a sexual acivity. Am sure if you chased a girl who was in a towel and whipped it off her you'd be arrested under sexual offences.

[E C Dub]

He chased a girl out of a shower down the hall way, it's only cos he didn't catch her was she safe. That to me is attempting to commit a sexual acivity. Am sure if you chased a girl who was in a towel and whipped it off her you'd be arrested under sexual offences.

It may be a sexual offense or harassment but rape stands in a class of its own.. Calling someone a rapist is a strong term

[Big Beck-ah Roethlisberger]

The following is the definition of Rape.
Starts Here >>>| In most jurisdictions the crime of rape is defined to occur when sexual intercourse takes place (or is attempted) without valid consent of ALL of the parties involved. The penetration need not be by penis but can be by other body parts (e.g. digital penetration) or by objects, nor does it have to be penetration of the vagina, as penetration of the anus is also considered rape. (or in the case of a Female, the forcing of a vagina or anus onto a penis) |<<< Ends Here

As none of this took place, he simply CAN NOT be considered a rapist!

I wanna differ with you on this term here that you all are saying is rape. According Uniform Crime Report(UCR) Rape is defined as a sexual intercourse ,achieved through force and without consent. Forcible Rape is defined is the Carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will. Well with the little Hornswoggle angle it could be considered Sexual Battery A physical and intent of wrongful physical contact.

Hornswoggle ripping the towel is a sexual offense because that is against her WILL. If any person would attempt to do that they would get arrested and charged with like battery. This whole thing is sending a wrong message to the viewers especially to kids, they will watch this and believe its ok because the young viewers will see there favorite star do something but in all reality its a tv show but it is sending out a wrong message to the younger viewers.

[TheInstantClassic78]

People its all ENTERTAINMENT!!! The Same people that are complaining about the hornswoggle segment are prob the ones who watch R rated movies with violence, Theres no difference between a friday the 13th movie killing naked women to the WWE hornswoggle skit its all ENTERTAINMENT

[TheInstantClassic78]

And Kids should not be watching wrestling if they are under 14, if they do they should have responsible parents to tell them from right and wrong. Thats why television shows have a rating. I think people should be worring about kids using the internet then watching a WWE show

[Eternal Dragon]

I suppose this thread applys to those sort of angles in a way. Not sure if the HLA was suppsed to be a comedy angle. But I certainly think that the Katie Vick one was. Or was that bad writing? Then again how many dead corpses do you see lying around? Not as many as you see females walking around.

Anyway I'm done with this thread. Nobody is actually really answering the one question that I'm trying to ask. Why do WWE promote stuff like that as comedy? Nobody appears to be giving me an answer. Everyones saying pretty much the same thing, ''I can differentiate between real and fake'' etc. So can I, that's not what I'm asking. I know Hornswoggle didn't attempt to rape Melina, but what he did do in the angle was a form of sexual assault. And it was portrayed as comedy. So until somebody answeres why WWE does that (other than to give immature wrestling fans erections) then I wont be replying to this thread anymore.

Okay, I'll try to answer.

The WWE promotes stuff like that as comedy because the majority of the WWE fans are young, male, and would laugh at a segment like the one with Melina and Hornswoggle. It isn't right, but it works, so that's what we see.

Btw... I wasn't talking about all male WWE fans there, just that many would find that funny. A guy my age who watches wrestling thought it was hilarious.

Flames Out
Dragon

[Rditri09]

I have to agree with PocketJokers that Melina and Hornswaggle had to agree on this hell all of the superstars performing that night probablly had to and as you can see Vince is all about making money and if Melina having her towel ripped off by Hornswaggle is going to make everyone in the business more money then there going to do it. They dont care what would happen in real life because this is a TV show and if you dont want to see that type of stuff which is a constant in the WWE you should probablly be watching the Cosby Show instead of RAW. As for the WWE fans cheering it that is being a warm blooded American Male SEX SELLS.

[jrcongine]

This is the dumbest thread I have ever seen and could imagine. This section of wrestlezone website was probably created for the smarter members of the wrestling world to get toghether and discuss things. But obviously thats not whats going on.

If wrestling is so bad, I got an idea. Stop watching it and stop bitching about it. We might not be watching the best quality right now, but WWE is in my blood and I think most the people that go to this website. We like it, and deal with the story lines, and go on with our life not bitching about every little thing. So grow up or get the F out.

[Canadian Knight]

First of all it is not rape, and like someone mentioned before it's entertainment. We have to tell the younger ones that all is called entertainment because the WWE stage all this. If this was real, Big Show would have been champion more times and there would be more people hurt and killed.

[Lee]

Added to Hornswoggles raping attempts was beating coach with his own walking stick. That's beating a cripple who is black. Two in one...so Hornswoggle is not a raping racist who beats up cripples? And this is meant to be funny how? It got no reaction at all from the crowd, it's just plain silly.

[mtg712]

How long is it until we see a sweaty Kane bearing down over a weeping Rey Mysterio?
lol. kane on mysterio.

anyway heres the deal. As morally wrong as rape and sexual assault (a few of my friends are victims) are a lot of people think its funny because a midget is doing it. the wwe has done lot of questionable things over the years. no one has a problem with edge and Christian losing their towels on tv. Mark Henry had the really bad storyline with mae young, Big Vis was forcefully humping other male stars, Vince Wrestled Steph. These are all morally wrong and to some extent illegal regardless of circumstance but sadly we choose to cheer on an illegal act. society has a problem to where its really bad and heinous if it happens in real life but its awesome if it happens on TV. sure its just a storyline but somethings should just be left out and those things aren't.

[cobain]

Along the lines of this topic I don't get how the Mr. McMahon kiss my ass club is supossed to entertain us.
that's a form of hazing which is a felony in most states if it's of a sexual nature.
I just read in the paper yesterday that 13% of students who are hazed ina sexual way become suicidal.
Vimce making people kiss his ass is a form of that and can create a bad image for kids. Htey think it's funnywhen in fact it's degrading.
If I were a wwe superstar I wouldn't do it, I'd rather lose my job then hav ea nice sexual harassment suit on my hands agains the WWE.

On a side note, didn't Melina and Batista run a rape angle? I think that made a mockery of rape and honestly, having had that happen to a friend of mine I was a little offended. I'm not easily offended either.

[Kennedy_keeroy]

i think you guys are looking to much ito this topic lol its not something to laugh about obviously but it wasnt real guys ya know it was just like a segment that they did to give everyone a laugh its not like they had you know what or anything ya know

[hurrafreak]

I think EVERYBODY is overthinking this whole issue. First of all a lot of the WWE are done because somebody thinks they will be funny. I laughed, not because OMG I like chasing scared girls in a towel but because ITS TV and I found it funny when hornswoggle did it. This has nothing to do with him being a little person, it just has to do with humor. It happens ALL THE TIME ON TV. I'm going to say what im sure a lot of actors, actresses,rappers and pretty much everybody who does something controversial. IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHATS HAPPENING THEN CHANGE THE CHANNEL AND DONT WANT!!!! I'm sure you WONT be missed.

[Kennedy_keeroy]

i absoloutely agree with you on that if you dont like it stop coplaining and turn over go watch Tn-Gay or some other wrestling organisation but the fact is that this topic is not serious as its just humour nothing more

[Ogerz]

Alright then, what about the soap opera's? There is rape, KNOWN mafia killings, drug transactions, Gun selling, illegal gambling, computer fraud, robbery, racial profiling, racial attacks, defamtion of charactor, corrupt policeman and woman, Shall I go on? Spare me this BS about Hornswoggle. You all wanna make me VOMIT. So it's ok to watch this crap on your beloved soaps but not on wrestling? They are one in the same. Here's the real KICKER, they GET AWARDS FOR PORTRAYING THIS KIND OF MALICIOUS ACTIONS! I don't so WWE, TNA, Independants & others getting nominated for awards! PLEASE. Stop being a bunch of idiots.

I bet the same people complaining about this is going to say that Video Games, Movies, T.V. Shows and such is what makes our children VIOLENT too. I got news for you, STOP LETTING THESE THINGS RAISE YOUR CHILD AND BE A PARENT!!!! How about trying to teach your kids right from wrong instead of letting Jigsaw, Sonny Corenthos, Bevis and Butthead, Manhunt Game, & others do it for your LAZY ASS.

[rkolegendkiller007]

why would anyone think that would be considered rape. this is entertainment pure and simple i mean sex does sell i mean look one of the top shows on tv according to the neilsen ratings desperate housewives i mean it is watched by alot of people and it is about a bunch of white women waiting to have sex with strangers all the time. i mean sex does sell and hornswoggle is supposed to be comedy relief and by chasing milena it was supposed to be funny. if it was rape or anything like that milena would have let him chase her. it is entertainment not real life . so watch just to be entertained not to see how many laws that the wwe breaks.

[Kennedy_keeroy]

i agree totally its just a segement thats it nothing more and how the hell is it rape? its just a funny segment i bet that if anyone complained to wwe about this subject they would get laughed at i mean this is stupid

[Tsr79]

That storyline was out of line I agree but one must ask did Melina give the ok to go along with this or was it something out of the blue she had no idea about...If she did not give the ok then one can assume a lawsuit or something is in order.

Which I am surprised that skit did not create more of an uproar than this..or if it did it is something that being hidden.

[hurrafreak]

dude theres no lawsuit, theres no nothing. Its TV and im positive that Melina was asked before hand if she'd be ok with this angle.

[techx1122]

hornswoggle is not the first one to do this nor will he be the last. it seems to me you are singleing him out cause he is of small stature. val venis has done this same thing in the past. triple h, kurt angle, and many other superstars have "commited" sexual crimes on camera. why are you so disgusted now that hornswoggle did it.

[biscuitboy]

this has to be a joke. cos from what i saw...he didnt rape anybody, but maybe you saw more footage on Afterburn.

[Freedom 35]

Am I the only one who remembers when Heidenreich "raped" Michael Cole? That was WAY more controversial and disturbing than anything the Lucky Charms midget has done.

didnt Kane rape a dead body at one time too and what happened to that storyline it was dropped after like a week, but seriously folks Hronswaggle is a rapist and he shouldnt get a free pass just because he can play the height card. theres no excusing rape even if it is just an act the storyline really should be dropped and looking at last weeks raw it could have already been dropped

[~Rated R Assassin~]

Am I the only one who remembers when Heidenreich "raped" Michael Cole? That was WAY more controversial and disturbing than anything the Lucky Charms midget has done.

And Gene Snitsky "murdered" Lita and Kane's unborn child. Seriously people. Time to get a fucking grip on reality. It's a WRESTLING TV SHOW. My God.....:weird:

[jake88smith]

You Are All Idiots If You Dont Know That Its All Staged And Is Just A Harmless Storyline That Melina And Hornswoggle Are Just Working Together On Kayfabe. Wrestling Is Scripted And If You Dont Know That You Must Be 3. That Would Be Like Every Ref That Got Shoved Sued Or Like John Cena Sueing Mr Kennedy For A Botched Move That Noone Is Responsibly For You Morons.

[techx1122]

oh noes. the criminal charges just keep on pileing up. now hornswoggle and coach should be arrested for attempted murder. /end sarcasm.

[TheOCsMVP]

I agree Jake.He is a soon to be seriel rapist.
This week again he has gone into the Divas shower room.
If you noticed throughout this hole weeks's Raw the referred to him as little Horny

[Bojangles]

lol hows this rape did Hornswoggle hold down melina and fukk her no he just chased her and he didnt even touch her and this is a storyline its not real coz if it was melina would ov alreadii fukd over the company

[jazzua]

Is this thread even necessary??? I'm quite pissed at myself for even opening it...I thought It may have something to do with wrestling? Seriously, HHH running around with a sledgehammer and busting people over the head with it doesn't appeal to you as an action that would be deamed "illegal" in the real world....wait....I just answered this issue. This isn't the real world.

[Y2J316]

wow some of u all need to chill out. Hornswoggle hasn't been the only superstar who has done something like this. Dean Malenko and Miki James have done this before and nobody calls them rapists. It's called "Entertainment" for a reason and i personly thought it was funny.:twocents:

[WWE_is_Jericho]

Um....... I believe its called a GIMMICK do you think that a bunch of hooded people could get buy with diging up the undertaker in reality? no. Do you think Kane would get away with burning someone? Hell no. And if WWE was actual reality i think Triple H and Shawn michaels wouldve already been gone for a year and probably in tna because vince wouldnt allow shit being dumped on him. Its called a Gimmick used in Storylines. YOU IDIOT

[Evan Snow-Wolf]

On one hand, I could cite other inappropriate material from other sources of television, ranging from "The Sopranos" to "The O.C" but honestly, we aren't talking about them. We are talking about wrestling on television. So let's stick with that.

Basically, the formula for most tapings and PPV's are a series of matches seperated by backstage antics like promos, skits, and vignettes. The question is basically what we/they choose to do with the time between matches.

Wether or not Hornswoggle is a rapist is irrelevant simply because hands down you can easily agree that the space used for that segment could have been used for something far more effective, from a wrestling standpoint, to push and enhance the taping/PPV.

Case in point was the DX segment on Monday. Hornswoggle chasing Shawn around the ring was funny. Boogeyman asking to join DX was funny. Sending Khali after the Coach was funny. But it didn't need a rape reference, peeping toms, or the like.

Totally possible to make filler WWE material without going there. ;)

[JadeShocker]

Was there a post like this when Triple H has sex with Katie Vick? Or how about when Triple H drugged Stephanie McMahon and married her before saying it was time to concimate the marraige? This thread is out of control. But I see the point. WWE has no limits now.. Technically Hornswoggle has committed sexual assault. Personally I'm not a big fan of midgets anyway.. I say lock him up. lol

[Happiness_is_a_warm_gun]

[QUOTE=~And Gene Snitsky "murdered" Lita and Kane's unborn child. Seriously people. Time to get a fucking grip on reality. It's a WRESTLING TV SHOW. My God.....:weird:[/QUOTE]

I don't know if you remember but IT WASN'T HIS FAULT.My problem with the storyline is that they are making what he does look funny,when it is not.It's really quite creepy actually.It does not matter if all the parties agreed to take part in this storyline, It's is bad judgement by the writers for even bringing this off the table.I'm just glad I have TiVo.

[maddawg]

Dude, if you want to get "technical" about all this, how about pressing charges on all the wrestlers who jump in a match and whip somebody's ass. Sounds like assault charges to me. Lets press charges of sexual harassment against all the comments DX makes. More yet, lets all grow up and realize that wrestling is no different than any other show on tv these days. This isn't the Andy Griffith era. It takes a lot more to sell these days. If your favorite actor played a rapist in a movie, would you think he should be downgraded like you have downgraded the guy who plays Hornswaggle. I think you are overreacting. Ban me if you want, I'm just speaking my mind like you were when you started this thread.

[Y 2 Jake]

Idiots the lot of you. Did you read the thread or just the title?

[maddawg]

Dude, why is it okay for you blast people and call them names, but someone like me would get banned for the same shit that you do?

[Uncle Sam]

Because Hornswoggle's a rapist. Duh.

[Freedom 35]

clearly

[Y 2 Jake]

Dude, why is it okay for you blast people and call them names, but someone like me would get banned for the same shit that you do?

You would get an ifraction. Not a banning.

Although I hardly ever give out infractions for flaming.

[maddawg]

Mr Sam, you might want to wipe that brown stuff off your nose.

[Y 2 Jake]

Yeah. Women don't like it when you're covered in chocolate.

[Echelon]

Meh, at least its not as bad as the Katie Vick angle, but the same people who wrote that garbage are probably writing this. Its a lose lose situation.

[WWE_is_Jericho]

Anyone else see it? No? I did. When he decided to be a sexual predator. If I spyed on somebody in the shower what would happen to me? I'd get arrested and put on a sex offenders register.

If I chased after a girl in just a towel, do you not think a bystander would stop me? And if I ripped off her towel would I not get arrested? And yet WWE fans cheer this shit. They cheer a would be rapist. Is it acceptable to rape if your a midget?


ah come on dude you cant seriousley say you wouldnt rip off a towel that melina has on. I sure as hell would

[Y 2 Jake]

ah come on dude you cant seriousley say you wouldnt rip off a towel that melina has on. I sure as hell would

Old thread + bumping = infraction.

[brompton_cocktail]

dude you gotta remember that it isnt real its a show of entertainment. yes i understand if you did the same things you would get arrested but how many times has the wwe done things that would get many people arrested. i mean how many times did stone cold flip the boss and hit him with a stunner and how many times did he get fired? and how many times has vkm touch the divas and in real life would be hit with sexual harrassment? think about it this shit happens all the time in the wwe and no its not good for the kids but as long as it gives ratings they couldnt really give a shit.

[Y 2 Jake]

dude you gotta remember that it isnt real its a show of entertainment. yes i understand if you did the same things you would get arrested but how many times has the wwe done things that would get many people arrested. i mean how many times did stone cold flip the boss and hit him with a stunner and how many times did he get fired? and how many times has vkm touch the divas and in real life would be hit with sexual harrassment? think about it this shit happens all the time in the wwe and no its not good for the kids but as long as it gives ratings they couldnt really give a shit.

Read the thread dickhead.

[StrangerX9]

WWE is wrestling but officially its sports entertainment. So in sports entertainment you can do anything as long as its kayfabe. So they could do a snuff film on RAW and as long as its kayfabe its all good. I think its like a balence for Hornswoggle cause he used to be a wrestler somewhere and now he's just this joke, and in kinda a shitty gimic. I think him being able to molest Melina is a fair trade, she is super hot too btw. Also did anyone know that Mr. Kennedy brought Hornswoggle into WWE and Finely fell in love with um and kept him around.

[KingofKings0908]

[QUOTE=Y 2 Jake;247936]STOP THE PRESS

I have to be honest, and i usually like the posts here, but this is the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life. There are countless examples of this in wrestling. Most notably HHH having sex with a mock corpse dressed as KANE.
Is it acceptable in regular society? NO, but since when has wrestling been apart of the normal society. Almost every storyline in the last 15 years has been off the wall in one way or another. If this Hornswoggle storyline was the first of its kind I could agree with you but it has been going on for years. Accept it and move on or maybe just change the channel if you dont like it. Saying we all would like to sodomize our mothers if she were in front of us in a towel is totally out of line and just plain stupid


Wrestling is scripted? WTF? So it wasn't Hornswoggle who has rape on his mind but a WWE writer. This makes it worse. To a degree it was ok that Hornsoggle was going to do it. #1 He has a better view. #2 Midgets dont go to prison. #3 He's like a child. And children would never do anything like that.

I know that hitting somebody with a chair is questionable. I know that attacking fans is questionable.

BUT. How many fans do you have? Not many, so how do you attack a fan?

How many folded up steel chairs do you see? And do you hit people when you see the oppertunity.

But what would you do if you saw your mother in a towel. From the looks of this thread I think the majority of you would have

[KingofKings0908]

I have to be honest, and i usually like the posts here, but this is the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life. There are countless examples of this in wrestling. Most notably HHH having sex with a mock corpse dressed as KANE.
Is it acceptable in regular society? NO, but since when has wrestling been apart of the normal society. Almost every storyline in the last 15 years has been off the wall in one way or another. If this Hornswoggle storyline was the first of its kind I could agree with you but it has been going on for years. Accept it and move on or maybe just change the channel if you dont like it. Saying we all would like to sodomize our mothers if she were in front of us in a towel is totally out of line and just plain stupid

[Y 2 Jake]

Why would you post in this thread? It's months old.