View Full Version : What WWE Wrestler Needs a New Finisher
jamesjd66
05-17-2007, 03:41 PM
We all know there are certain stars that have great potential they may never reach because they have a weak finisher.
to me its MVP. the overdrive move or whatever he calls it makes no sense to me. it's like he puts his opponents head under his knee, grabs his arm and then falls on HIS face. Orton used it when he first started but i guess someone wised up.
Cracker5000
05-17-2007, 03:50 PM
Bobby Lashley needs a new finisher in my opinion. If Vince wants to put him over he needs to give Lashley an original finisher that will make him stand out from the rest. A running powerslam would be a good signature move but not a defining finisher. The British Bulldog can pull it off but Lashley is no Davey Boy Smith.
john57
05-17-2007, 03:51 PM
that move dont even hurt it looks like it wood hurt his knee more then the otha guys fqace so i agree wit u and i think CM Punk needs a dif finisher because he doesnt do his GTS that well so either he needs a new one or he needs to improve on it big time
Cracker5000
05-17-2007, 03:57 PM
that move dont even hurt it looks like it wood hurt his knee more then the otha guys fqace so i agree wit u and i think CM Punk needs a dif finisher because he doesnt do his GTS that well so either he needs a new one or he needs to improve on it big time
I took a liking to Punk's Anaconda vice since WWE needs more submission specialists. I do agree on the GTS comment as the kick looks pretty damn weak to me. However fans are recognising this move now as whenever Punk puts someone on his shoulders they go wild.
tna23
05-17-2007, 04:15 PM
I think that Shelton Benjamin needs a new finisher. He's got a great set of moves and is a phenominal wrestler but he doesn't have that main event like finisher. The T-bone suplex doesn't seem like that great of a submission to me and i think that he's capable of so much more.
others that need new finishers are CM Punk, b/c his GTS finisher doesn't seem all that great and i took a liking to the anaconda vice finisher. it was kool do'nt know why they gave him a different one.
Lashley needs a new finisher.no one does a spear like goldberg. and the running powerslam doesn't really suit him either.
and that's all i can think of right now.
rickdaroversfan88
05-17-2007, 05:07 PM
johnny nitro has an unlimited amount of potential but `cos he`s never had a finisher to call his own since his split from joey mercury he will never be able to reach the top of the buisness
aidan13
05-17-2007, 06:11 PM
I think a great finisher is one that can be pulled of quickly to give a shock ending to a match. I agree that Lashley's looks weak, even like a gut wrench powerbomb would be better. I think the good thing about Shelton's is that he can grab them and release quickly.Snitsky definitely need's to either get a new finisher, or heavily improve how he nail's his big boot.
I'm not one to constantly knock Cena, but I remember on Smackdown this one time, he did the FU split-legged, and it looked so much better.
Khali needs to put more force behind his double handed choke slam to make it look more believeable. Personally, if yet again he landed it split legged, or even did it single hand i think it would improve the finisher.
Umaga I think should use a 5-Star-esque splash now that RVD's going out the door. His spike is just so normal.
tna23
05-17-2007, 07:05 PM
Carlito's finisher is kool. but it's more like a set up moenver like randy orton's back breaker.
jonnykx1909
05-17-2007, 07:25 PM
bro the t bone is not a submission....weirdo
[QUOTE=tna23;173200]I think that Shelton Benjamin needs a new finisher. He's got a great set of moves and is a phenominal wrestler but he doesn't have that main event like finisher. The T-bone suplex doesn't seem like that great of a submission to me
Jay2o
05-17-2007, 07:30 PM
Mr.Kennedy needs a nes finnisher, i mean da kenton bomb is more like a cruserweight type move andthe built up is slow to.
MVP deffinitly needs a new move, probably a submission type since benoit is training him to be a technical wrestler.
andyman
05-17-2007, 07:42 PM
i dont no why lashley stopped using the dominator. now they call the powerlam the dominator wtf is that
Mr. Showtime
05-17-2007, 07:44 PM
Mr Kennedy Needs A Move That Just Comes Out Of Nowhere. A Stunner, A Rock Bottom, A Super Kick, A Pedigree, An Rko, A Spear, A Chokeslam. These Are All Moves That Made The Superstar Succesfull Because They Happen That Fast It Brings In A Huge Crowd Reaction. People Dont React As Well To Moves That Take Sometime To Execute Especialy If Your On The Lower Card.
Mvp
Also Needs A New Finisher He Has All The Right Tools:
Hes Good On The Stick
Has A Nice Entrance
Nice Move Arsenal
Style If You Will [:s]
All He Needs Is A Decent Finisher
Shelton Benjamin Also Needs A New One I Mean A T-bone Is Hardly Finisher Material In My Opinion
Over & Out ;):blink:
Shadowmancer
05-17-2007, 09:25 PM
There are too many That need a new Finisher or need to go back to an older finisher, Edge, he needs to stop using the Spear as a finisher and go back to the Edgecution and the Edgecater. CM Punk needs to get a new one or go to the Pepsi plunge.
But as to who really needs a new Finisher, it is obviously Shelton Benjamin, but it does do the required job of the finissher in being able to come out of nowhere for the finish of the match.
Ja_204
05-17-2007, 09:35 PM
There are two Umaga and Carlito. Umaga is stupid because in reality you would probably kill a man and Carlito's backcracker thing is so stupid. Give Umaga the Splash and Carlito.....well why not have him steal Ric's move? Carlito is supposed to be a heel.
Dj Martyn
05-18-2007, 05:24 AM
Umaga is a decent enough wrestler, but with an poor finisher He needs to drop the Samoan spike and just use something like Rikishi's old sit down over the shoulder pile driver r maybe just use the big top rope splash he uses, it devastating enough, i mean that is a fat man.
TJ2069
05-18-2007, 07:51 AM
The grat Khali needs a new finsher in my eyes.
Now i know with his size there is a limit to what he can do in the ring. But the two hand slam looks weak. And the only thing the brain chop hurts is a wrestlers pride.
Mabey like the full hand claw would be a better fit.
The Umaga Samoan spike is as weak and boring as when Crush went from the Head Vice (which fit his character well) to the Heart Punch. Zzzzzzzzzz. Maybe that's why people do not care about Umaga at all. Rikishi had a cool looking sit-down tombstone move, and he was athletic enough to do a splash off the top of a steel cage, so why can't Umaga do something more challenging? Even his running whiplash move to an opponent seated in a corner is more impressive than a thumb to the neck or whatever.
I 100% agree with the comment that WWE needs more submission specialists. In fact, after what I have seen out of MVP lately, I don't think it would be a bad thing for him to study tape of Dean Malenko and pick up the Texas Cloverleaf.
It's amazing - sometimes the most mundane finishers work if they just fit the character and have the right name. Think about it- the Full Nelson is somewhat ho-hum, but calling it "The Masterlock" and creating a buzz around it worked.
Maybe Khali, at his height, should pick up the Abdominal Stretch.
jamesjd66
05-18-2007, 09:38 AM
There are too many That need a new Finisher or need to go back to an older finisher, Edge, he needs to stop using the Spear as a finisher and go back to the Edgecution and the Edgecater. CM Punk needs to get a new one or go to the Pepsi plunge.
i somewhat agree. i always liked the downward spiral that edge did. but then scott steiner started doing it and made it look horrible.
i don't know much about ROH and TNA unfortunately but the pepsi plunge is kind of loke a pedigree, right?
Kennedy def needs something new. The top rope fireman's slam is aight(ie wm money in the bank vs hornswaggle) but against bigger men it takes like 5 min to set up. on another note i always thought kennedy was a big dude but recently seeing him next to others(edge) he's kind of short. he should get lifts like raven and jericho.:twocents:
Luther_Hull FTW
05-18-2007, 02:48 PM
Kennedy needs to have a new finisher to make him a superstar. At the moment he has the Green Bay Plunge which is a corner move and the Kenton which is a diving move. He needs a finisher that can be used any time an place. Id suggest a tiger bomb unless that's on the banned list.
Slim Pickns
05-18-2007, 02:48 PM
I like all of your ideas but I really feel the need to point something out. A lot of you are saying that Shelton Benjamin needs a new finisher. You're forgetting that to show off this new finisher would mean the WWE would have to let him actually win a match, which doesn't look like its bound to happen anytime soon. He lost with Haas and Nitro on Heat to a team that included Hacksaw Jim Duggan for crying out loud.
As for who needs a new finisher, in my opinion, Umaga. It seems silly to have a big man with atheletic ability to finsih his oponent by jamming his thumb in his throat. The top rope splash is a better option.
Also Cena should go back to the FU exclusively. I'm tired of seeing the likes of HBK and HHH tap out to the STFU. I think if the WWE could bring back Bret Hart they would have him tap out to it as well.
Maybe Khali, at his height, should pick up the Abdominal Stretch.
Are you serious?:wtf: the abdominal strecth.....:twak: get real Khali definitlelyneeds a new finisher butit has to beomething completely unique to take advantage of his size maybe something like a Stalling Suplex into a Brianbuster i mean he has the strentgh and hte height to make a move like that look devastating.
Lashley should take the F-5 and make it his own or maybe a Death Valley Driver would suit him better.
CM Punk's GTS is a good move for him. Fans recongnize it and with his Martial Arts background it suits him well...although he does need a little more work to perfect it
MVP, The Boogeyman, Edge and mantyothersneed new moves also...key word being NEW...how many times have we seen The Spear: Lashley, Goldberg, Rhino, it's all the same where's the innovation. The Overdrive: Orton, Matt Striker (although latley has added a twist to it) and now MVP...hello we've seen it. Two-Handed Chokeslam: Kahli, A-train, now The Boogeyman...seeing the same thing over and over again makes it get old and boring:zzzz:
Code Red
05-18-2007, 08:34 PM
If they are going to put Snitsky over as a monster heel, it should be with a stronger finisher than The Big Boot - that has been done to death. He used a cool spinning side slam when he was on Raw sometimes - I don't understand why he doesn't just go with that. Some wrestlers may be too big, but I don't understand why he couldn't do that to anyone 250 and under.
Monkey Winchester
05-18-2007, 08:45 PM
I agree that MVP needs a new finisher he is too good of a talent to have a rookie finisher like that. Maybe he could have a variation on the cutter or something he can hit outta nowhere.
Honorable mention to others...
Boogeyman, Kahli, Definatly Lashley, Carlito, Chris Masters, and Kenny Dykstra
Shadowmancer
05-18-2007, 09:41 PM
Chris Masters is reportedly doing the Ocean Cyclone Suplex as a finisher, It is a Fricking sweet ass move, its on YouTube in a list of the top 101 Indy and Puroresu finishers. so It isn't that he needs one it is just that he needs to show it on TV.
Deadman741
05-18-2007, 10:28 PM
MVP- His current move is the overdrive or "playmaker" that seems like the finisher WWE always gives new wrestlers (Randy Orton, etc.) I agree with many of you guys saying WWE needs more submission specialists and i also agree MVP should be one of those guys, as he's being trained by a master of submission, Chris Benoit. A submission finisher that would suit him, would be The Texas Cloverleaf or The Figure Four Leg Lock(not to steal the move from Ric Flair, as he made it famous.) A top rope finisher that would work for him would either be a top rope Ballin Elbow Drop or "The Money Shot" splash (although many use the splash move as a finisher already...Umaga, Val Venis, Mark Henry, RVD.) A regular standing finisher that would hype the crowd up could be a neckbreaker of some sort, or an exploder suplex that can make him a bonafide main eventer one day.
Ken Kennedy- Kennedy seems to have more like 3 finishers instead of one he'll always do. Those would be a DDT(last done to either Matt Hardy or Sabu around Wrestlemania), The Green Bay Plunge(Last done at Wrestlemania 23 on Hornswoggle), and The Kenton Bomb(last done or tried around Wrestlemania time also.) Now I right now have no idea as of what his true finisher is because of his injury, MITB win, and constant tag matches won't allow me to see what finisher he ends a match with the most. Somebody said before that Kennedy needs a move that everybody wants to see and nobody else does (Stunner, RKO, Rock Bottom) and i agree 100%. I dont't especially love he Green Bay Plunge, as it takes too long to set up and the Kenton Bomb is just another Jeff Hardy Swanton Bomb. At least having pins over someone with the DDT brings some honor back to the move, but it seems like everyone uses it toget out of a situation nowadays. A good finisher I believe could get over with the crowd would be a brainbuster or a more special kind of DDT like the edgucution like one or a swinging DDT.
Bobby Lashley- First The Dominator. Second thd British Bulldog Powerslam. Now the Spear(AGAIN.) Too many wrestlers use the spear in any variation now, that it loses its specialness of being a finisher. Rhino, Edge and Goldberg (since he's already retired), should be the only ones to use it.THATS IT. Sorry Batista and Lashley, but you better find new signature moves quick, as yours are as stale as 6 month old bread. The F-5 would be an awesome fiisher to give a powerhouse such as Lashley as a finisher, and the powerslam could be one of his signature moves, along with the T-Bone suplex and the stalling suplex with one hand. I personally like Lashley's powerslam as a finisher because he does it pretty good and they finally gave somebody that finisher again. Brock Lesnar the Second anyone?
The Sandman- a russian leg sweep? Come on WWE can think of a better finisher than that for the old drunk. I mean, he gets paid to drink beer and hit himself in the face with it, then wrestle decent at best matches. Lucky.
The Great Khali- any other finisher he would try could kill somebody, so Ill just keep dreaming about the world's biggest powerbomb.
C.M. Punk- The Anaconda Vice is a good move , but Punk's version of the GTS (Go To Sleep) sucks really bad. I've heard som much about The Pepsi Plunge finisher he used to use at the indies, and it sounds good enough to use every week, but if a Pedigree that looks stronger than Triple H's is a no no in his book. I like how Taz and Joey put him over every week as a submission\martial arts type of wrestler, as that seems to fit him and his gimmick right now. What's WWE gonna give Punk when he can't bick up a much bigger opponent he'll wrestle that is too heavy to pick up? I'm not sure, but i hope it's alot better than that friggin STFU that has beem pissin me off for a while now..
That's it for now, but they're plenty of wrestlers that need new finishers super bad, but i feel Mr. Kennedy and MVP are the 2 most important people to develop finishers for, as they are looking at extremely bright careers in the WWE in the future.
Scotty2Hotty
05-19-2007, 11:46 AM
DEUCE AND DOMINO NEED a finisher! What's the deal with the 'Crack Em In Da Mouth'? Its only a kick!!!!!
ANYONE CAN KICK!
What makes their kick
a) so special
b) a finisher
c) a double team???
I miss Brian Kendrick and Paul London as the WWE Tag Team Champions
Y 2 Jake
05-19-2007, 11:48 AM
DEUCE AND DOMINO NEED a finisher! What's the deal with the 'Crack Em In Da Mouth'? Its only a kick!!!!!
ANYONE CAN KICK!
What makes their kick
a) so special
b) a finisher
c) a double team???
I miss Brian Kendrick and Paul London as the WWE Tag Team Champions
What are you on about. A kick is one of the best finishers there is. Kick somebody in the face. Go for it. And then give somebody a Crossface. I know which I'd prefer.
William_Regal
05-19-2007, 12:44 PM
I think a form of Elevated Neckbreaker would be a good move for MVP. It would his gimic and looks pretty cool.
Does anyone remember the neckbreaker type move Umaga used on Ric Flair when he first appeared? Umaga should use that because it was an awesome move.
I think the argentine backbreaker that Lashley uses would make a better finsiher than the running powerslam. Its a pretty powerfull looking move.
KENNEDYisTHEnextROCK
05-20-2007, 03:25 PM
if kennedy is going to be world champion, he needs a solid finisher. he isn't the biggest guy so he can't use a power finisher. maybe a fame-asser or gangrel's implant ddt...
Monkey Winchester
05-20-2007, 04:44 PM
Hey I got an idea for Bobby Lashley. Now you may think its stupid but i think its a good idea. Everybody keeps on throwing out the F-5 for Lashley to use as his finisher. Well I agree as well but i just thought of what he could call it. Instead of the F05 he could call it WHIPLASH because his last name is Lashley i ont know its an idea. What do you guys think?
Naven v1
05-20-2007, 05:16 PM
Cena needs a new move because FU just makes me sick its a dam fire man carry slam!!!!
lilchance
05-20-2007, 06:35 PM
who ever seen's pual lundon's finsher..????????? i think a shooting star press would b good for him
justinsayne
05-20-2007, 06:51 PM
I think Cena should go back to using a Spinning Fishermans suplex, I think he called his variation "the Killswitch"
Shelton Benjamin should change his finisher to the angle slam, he could change the name to the "shel-shocker"
Vis needs a new move too, the one he has now is just disgusting he throughs his oppent down and then proceeds to jump on their back and dry hump them, I mean common now that's just not right
Rabbid Wolverine
05-21-2007, 12:36 AM
mr. kennedy.... he needs sumthin like the scorpion death drop i think, nodbody really uses that now and it looks effective to me
johnny nitro.... maybe tornado ddt or the blockbuster that bagwell used for abit in wcw (flip neck breaker of the 2nd rope)
rey mysterio...619 doesnt seem like a finisher, and he cant hurricaranna more than half of the roster, maybe a top rope finisher of sorts
but alot of them need better finishers
edgehead44
05-21-2007, 02:09 PM
nitro has a new finisher it is still called the snapshot but it is like a stunner to the back first he uses a forearm to the back and honestly if they are making a carbon copy of lesnar with 1/4 of the skill give him the damn f-5 its an amazing move if he debuted it at a paperview the crowd would be screaming their @$$ off
mr_shwiggy
05-21-2007, 03:15 PM
nitro has a new finisher it is still called the snapshot but it is like a stunner to the back first he uses a forearm to the back and honestly if they are making a carbon copy of lesnar with 1/4 of the skill give him the damn f-5 its an amazing move if he debuted it at a paperview the crowd would be screaming their @$$ off
....a stunner to the back...... is called a neckbreaker........his finisher is a hangman's neckbreaker, like Rick Rude.
prtzelby
05-21-2007, 03:36 PM
I think someone like Shelton needs to use the Canadian Destroyer! We saw Murdoch try it and almost kill Matt Hardy but someone with Benjamin's athleticism can pull it off. If they are serious about going more back into wrestling you have to pull some new moves out.
As for Lashley they have to start thinking Brock or Goldberg type. While he has a better attitude than they do their finishers were much better. The one thing they don't highlight with his finisher is his strength. WHile the running power slam is ok it doesn't give you that moment when you know it is over like when Brock hit the F-5 or Goldberg hit the Jackhammer! I also agree no one hits a spear like Goldberg but it is not a bad thing to leave that in Lashley's back of tricks!
jennis922
05-21-2007, 03:51 PM
Everybody makes a good arguement but I don't believe anyone said anything about Umaga's Samoan Spike. It's the stupidiest s*** I have ever seen. It's a stiff thumb to where ever it goes.To the throat chin ,chest I don't know it lands in different places. IT SUCKS!!!!
jennis922
05-21-2007, 04:00 PM
Any wrestler who uses a generic move as a finisher. Such as The People's Elbow, The Five Knuckle Shuffle, Million Dollar Fist Drop,Leg Drop, Snap Suplex or a Hurricanrana. "Finishers" are moves that tell the fan the match is coming to an end by a devastating manuever that impairs the opponent from kicking out of the 3 count or getting a second wind. Geez I sound like a wrestling dictionary.
FistinMan
05-21-2007, 05:31 PM
I think cena should turn the F-U into like a combo of an F-U neckbreaker and put a little spin into like brock lesnar
Ryukuma
05-21-2007, 05:45 PM
Definitely MVP and his playmaker, if i was to suggest a finisher id give him the testdrive. I dont know testdrive actual wrestling name, but it would work perfect for him
Jae Trey
05-21-2007, 06:07 PM
On the topic of finishers, I like how Candice Michelle has started using the spinning heel kick...its speedy and looks like it stings. She should also adapt a personality similar to that because right now when they get close ups on her face she looks half sleepy and half drunk like a bar fly at a smoky tavern.
Anyway, why is everybody jumping on Shelton's move? His T-Bone suplex (now being called the 'Exploder Suplex') is awesome for him. It has a balance of athleticism and power that fits his fighting style. He also used to K.O. people with a high kick to the head similar to (but more real looking than) the Chick Kick. If they needed to make him a new move though, probably something like the spin out fishermans suplex Cena does but instead of hooking the leg and doing a suplex, spin them up some, spin them off to the side then either turn around and kick their head or catch the back of their neck for a neck breaker.
Umaga should use that high toss into a Samoan Drop as his finisher.
Snitsky could use the reverse death valley driver cause that move looks like you are killing the guy and he's a monster heel, so...yeah.
Does Paul London actually use the Dropsault as his finisher now? I saw him kick Deuce (or Domino) off the apron then flip back and land on the other for the pin on Smackdown. If so his secondary finisher could be that Mule kick he does.
Boogeyman just looks right doing a black hole slam...ya know, that stalling side belly to belly slam thing Vicsera does.
D-x 4evr
05-21-2007, 06:52 PM
im thinkin cena definately because he keeps beating d likes of hbk and hhh with his stfu and for GODS SAKES WWE!! cena beats khali with a submission manuevere that is just insanely crazy!!
cena should either go back to strictly d FU or use that top rope leg drop we've seen him use lately on raw??
what do u think?
MBelmont24
05-21-2007, 07:45 PM
In my opinion, Edge is the one who needs a new finisher the most. He's a relatively skinny guy and is using a weak spear. Honestly the only two wrestlers I think of that can/could really pull that off is like everybody said, Rhino and Goldberg. He's very well experienced I don't understand why he doesn't use a more complex maneuver. An angel's wings type maneuver would be pretty sweet.
John Cena I think also could use a new finisher for three reasons.
1. The FU just doesn't look like it is supposed to do that much damage.
2. Cena's character is supposed to be a "fighter" and "brawler", so making people tap out to the STFU just seems hypocritical to me.
3. He is the sixth longest reigning heavyweight champion in wwe, the FU, I mean come on.
In my opinion, most members of TNA have much more effective and better looking finishers than WWE. Canadian Destroyer, Cradle Shock, Angel's wings, Cop Killa, Muscle Buster, Styles Clash. Even Christian's unprettier seems pretty complex to the finishers in WWE these days. WWE needs to train and prepare their wrestlers more so they can ease up on the banned moves list.
Ok, well, I am sorry to see that Pone posted an issue with my abdominal stretch idea. Let me explain my thought process - over a decade ago, Razor Ramon brought back the abdominal stretch and modified it by lifting up an opponents leg. That simple variation did nothing, but the announcers sold it as excruciting pain. Furthermore, they sold Razor's Stretch as devistating because of his height and the length of his arms. At Royal Rumble, when Bret Hart skidded ribs-first into the ring post and then spent 5-10 minutes in Razor's stretch- that was a good exchange. Khali, at his size, could try a new variation of the move, maybe working a slam or sorts into it, but the Abdominal Strecth, when sold right by the opponents and the announcers, is a devistating move. Work with me here - do you want to keep re-inventing the exhausted power bomb / choke slam / fireman's carry that every big man in the company uses or can we go old school and get creative?
D-x 4evr
05-22-2007, 06:49 PM
I totally agree with irishcanadian , Khali i think has the potential to be a very sucessful wrestler in wwe and if he is given a very "devastating" maneuvere, then he will become either really hated or really cheered by fans for being so dominating, depending which way wwe show him on tv
What surprises me most is that no one has mentoined the IC champ - Santino Marella? Lets face it he is a nobody on raw at the moment and to get really over with the fans he needs an impressive finisher. Right?
Any suggestions people???
Mistaap
05-22-2007, 09:21 PM
It sucks that Helms does not use it.. but I think that MVP should use the Vertabreaker.. That is my favorite move of all time. Is it on the Banned list?
TJ2069
05-22-2007, 09:46 PM
It sucks that Helms does not use it.. but I think that MVP should use the Vertabreaker.. That is my favorite move of all time. Is it on the Banned list?
Yes the Vertabreaker is on the banned list. The reason it was put on the banned list there was way too much of a risk of a slip up and a wrestler could break there neck are worse.
Echelon
05-23-2007, 01:29 AM
I totally agree with irishcanadian , Khali i think has the potential to be a very sucessful wrestler in wwe and if he is given a very "devastating" maneuvere, then he will become either really hated or really cheered by fans for being so dominating, depending which way wwe show him on tv
What surprises me most is that no one has mentoined the IC champ - Santino Marella? Lets face it he is a nobody on raw at the moment and to get really over with the fans he needs an impressive finisher. Right?
Any suggestions people???
Santino used the Fujiwara armbar in OVW, he also used the Triangle Choke. If he were to keep those and use those in WWE that would be fine by me, as he seems to be loaded enough, unless WWE decides to completely change his moveset, then I don't know what I want his finisher to be.
I take hommage with anyone who uses a "choke" maneuver. It's sickeningly hypocritical, and allowing wrestlers such as Tazz to use the Rear Naked choke tells me two things: 1) WWE is totally unconcerned about consistency, as referees continue to administer 5-counts for chokes done face to face (a la classic Undertaker), and 2) the WWE is genuinely scared of how UFC and MMA have erroded their fan base and tried to combat that by taking a very minor maneuver from MMA and allowing a select few to use it as a finisher.
Here's one more idea for Khali - I am not sure ifthis move has been used in indies before, but I saw it written somewhere once and this is how I envisioned it - wrestler hooks the head of the opponent under their arm like a Slop Drop or Reverse DDT (opponents face turned upwards into armpit with back bridged) and the wrestler executing the move lifts the opponent up into a reverse suplex, holds them, falls backwards effectively slamming the opponent's midsection and face into the mat. Since the mid-section of a person's body is known as the "Solarplexus" the move was coined "The Solar Plex." At Khali's height, I think the move has even more creedence.
For me, the jury is still out on Marella until I see more of what his style is - high flyer, high impact, or submission. I again give a vote to the Texas Cloverleaf or the Crossface Chicken Wing, but if Marella is more high impact or high flyer, there are a litany of choices.
I leave you with one final note - one of the greatest wrestlers in history to never hold a world title is one Rowdy Roddy Piper, and with the exception of a brief time using the Sleeper Hold, he listed his finisher as "anything that comes to mind." Then again, maybe that is why he never won a World Title.
Mistaap
05-23-2007, 07:08 PM
Yes the Vertabreaker is on the banned list. The reason it was put on the banned list there was way too much of a risk of a slip up and a wrestler could break there neck are worse.
Hey do you know if Helms ever hurt anyone with it?
joet1102
05-23-2007, 11:44 PM
The only person that I can think of that needs a finisher is Santino Marella, but I havent seen him long enough to know what kind of a wrestler he actually is. By the looks of him I'd like to see him do a Razor's/Outsider's Edge.
Cracker5000
05-24-2007, 05:14 AM
The only person that I can think of that needs a finisher is Santino Marella, but I havent seen him long enough to know what kind of a wrestler he actually is. By the looks of him I'd like to see him do a Razor's/Outsider's Edge.
To do a decent Razor's Edge you need to be tall and strong. I doubt Santino can pull that off unless he's against cruiserweights.
Insanity_X
05-24-2007, 11:28 AM
Hey do you know if Helms ever hurt anyone with it?
nope, otherwise he wouldnt be allowed to use it. cirtain moves such as piledrivers are banned to most wrestlers wheras those who have been delivering piledrivers for years like the undertaker, kane and shawn michaels can ues them whereas, say john cena wouldnt be allowed to. i.e. they are restricted.
However some moves (notably the 450 splash and the shooting star press) are totally banned you could be Jushin Liger or rikishi you still wouldnt be allowed to use them. i.e. they are banned.
personally i'd say that the vertebreaker is on the list of restricted moves as he does still use it.
Code Red
05-27-2007, 02:23 AM
I haven't seen Helms use the Vertabreaker once in WWE.
justinsayne
05-27-2007, 02:34 AM
I haven't seen Helms use the Vertabreaker once in WWE.
that's because it's on the banned list, they won't let him use it, I think he did get away with it once on heat though, on some jobber that was never to be seen again, this was years ago, when heat was still on MTV I beleive
ratedrsuperstartoronto
05-28-2007, 07:31 PM
I think that MVP needs to have a new finisher, maybe a submission one
Also, I think that Kennedy needs another finisher since both of his are off the turnbuckle
I also think that Carlito may need a new one since his isn't really that special
Also, I think that Haas needs to use his finisher more often
Haas of Pain is sick
shalliin
05-28-2007, 10:56 PM
i somewhat agree. i always liked the downward spiral that edge did. but then scott steiner started doing it and made it look horrible.
i don't know much about ROH and TNA unfortunately but the pepsi plunge is kind of loke a pedigree, right?
:twocents:
Steiner's move, that others have adopted, isnt' quite the same as the Downward Spiral Edge used to use, and that Kanyon used in WCW as the Flatliner. They held the opponent a little further on the left side and drove their face and forehead into the mat like a DDT. The Steiner move, which was called the Complete shot, and has also been known as the Jihad Bomb when Muhamed Hassan used it, and that the Undertaker is using, actually drives the person into the shoulder more like a kind of reversed twist of fate, or falling clutch jawbreaker. The impact is on the jaw, not the head.
But it would be great ot have someone pick it back up.
wrestler90
05-28-2007, 11:32 PM
that's because it's on the banned list, they won't let him use it, I think he did get away with it once on heat though, on some jobber that was never to be seen again, this was years ago, when heat was still on MTV I beleive
That jobber was aj fn styles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfayvn3PPbo
5star
05-29-2007, 11:44 AM
The Miz defentally needs a good finisher. not only is it weak, he just looks gay when he does it. (maybe its the hair)
Moneymaker_90
05-30-2007, 06:55 PM
Obviously Kennedy. The Green Bay Plunge is a great finisher but it isn't practical.
Also obviously Umaga. That Samoan Spike it's just crap.
London also needs one because all of his finishers are banned (Double moonsault, shooting star press, 450 spalsh...)
brahma62
05-30-2007, 06:58 PM
carlito needs a new finisher, it doesnt look as if it hurts at all, when he does it the person on the receiving end looks like they are thinking "um ok i guess thats the end of the match"
donniegronau
05-30-2007, 07:31 PM
I think Khali needs a new finisher.He picks them up in a double choke & basically just drops them, not even with that much force.I understand that the height is suppose to be why the move is devistating but it's lame.He needs to tweek the move like Cena did with the FU before Cena would pick up his opponent on his shoulders basically a firemans carry & just slam them over it looked like nothing more than a modified bodyslam,but then he started going down with them he modified it.That's exactly what Khali needs to do modify & tweek his move do a split leg sitdown double handed choke slam it will end up looking alot like the Batista Bomb but more impact because og his height & size.It will be like Ron Simmons say's "DAMN"
TheShiznetNo1
05-30-2007, 08:41 PM
I think with Khali's height, a great move would be a power bomb. Sort of like how Kevin Nash used to do it. Or The Chokeslam the big show/Giant used to do when he went down with the opponent.
WilzyWWE
05-30-2007, 10:53 PM
Considering what happened when Khali powerbombed Brian Ong a few years back I doubt WWE would allow him to use any move like that, the double-handed chokeslam at his height is dangerous enough. Granted, it was Ong that was at fault, not Khali, but one must understand the dangers associated with high risk moves, especially being performed by giants.
Besides, Khali should be fired, not given a new finisher.
In my opinion I think a hell of a lot of the older guys need new finishers, and a lot of other guys who’s finishers are either simply too weak or ridiculously crap, or don’t support their gimmick. I mean HBK has had Sweet Chin Music for 15 years, Hunter has had the Pedigree for 15 years, etc etc. It's time for a change, when you see that move every night for that amount of time it looses its glamour.
Umaga desperately needs a new finisher, and with his size he needs a powerful one - jabbing someone with a taped thumb just doesn't do the Samoan Bulldozer gimmick justice. The high toss into the Samoan Drop is a really good and solid move when he performs it at a high standard, I don’t think it’s quite spectacular enough for a finisher but would be a real nice set-up for a finisher.
Kennedy needs something that he can perform viciously and quickly out of nowhere on unsuspecting opponents, something that will end a match in an instant - not something that takes 20 minutes to set up on the turnbuckle and then doesn't look too great after all the fuss. Also, both of his finishers are from the turnbuckle so he needs a change.
Carlito's Back Stabber isn’t so bad when executed perfectly in the ring, the sound of the ring supports it, but when he did it on Flair last week on the mat at ringside it looked poor, very poor. The first one was a complete botch and looked like a baby could get up from it, and the second wasn't great either, and wasn't taken seriously as a devastating move after the piss poor first one. With that said, the one he gave Torrie this week was good and again, the crashing on the mat really gives the move some umpfh. But all in all, he needs a finisher that is good both in the ring and outside of it.
Cena has needed a new finisher for the past two years, it is quite simply terrible. Think about it, all it is is a modified body slam, a move thrown into a match during the middle of it. In the Attitude era you didn’t once see someone win with a body slam, it’s not a devastating move, nor is it victory worthy – and now we see Cena winning almost every single time with the FU and all it is is the same body slams we’ve seen in matches forever. You don’t see Kane winning with the side body slam do you? So why let the top guy win with a body slam? He’s supposed to be a strong and brutal tough guy.
Edge needs a new finisher, and especially now he is world champion. Like someone else said, he is a skinny, lanky guy and the spear he performs is just too weak, it doesn’t look impressive and it doesn’t look devastating. Also, his impaler DDT is poor too, it doesn’t look like it’s high impact and devastating. I think the only person who can pull off a real good impaler is Gangrel.
Santino Mozzarella doesn’t need a new finisher, he doesn’t need a new moveset, he needs to be sent to OVW. He is useless on Raw, he is useless as IC champion, and he is ultimately, useless in the ring. He can’t wrestle, he can’t sell, and he finds it difficult just to jump up onto the second turnbuckle to deliver punches or to celebrate after a match. If you saw his match with Shelton Benjamin last week on Heat (and for the segment with Masters on Raw) then you’ll understand, the crowd was completely dead, and as we know the worst thing to happen during a match regardless of whether it’s cheers or boos is to not have any noise at all.
Lashley’s Dominator used to be very powerful and impressive when he debuted on Smackdown but for the past few months he’s used a really poor running powerslam. He definitely needs a move powerful and impacting move, a Brock/Goldberg style finisher. His spear is acceptable and is quite good, and serves as a good set-up for a dominating finish, just not the running powerslam. The F-5 would be suitable if he could maintain a perfect execution of it – it would be useless to give him it only to perform it poorly over time in the same way he has with the running powerslam. Also, as Vince has wanted to build him as an unstoppable force, he needs something that supports him as this force, something powerful and impressive.
CM Punk’s finishers are both poor. His GTS is atrocious, and he can’t perform it great at all. It really ruins a good match and just isn’t believable as a finishing move. Also his Anaconda Vice is just too boring and again puts a lame and unimpressive end to a good match.
MVP, Nitro, Benjamin, etc all need moves that they can pull out of nowhere, quick ones and ones that are slightly technical with spins and snaps etc, and ones that ultimately, act as a real good finish to a match and get the job done.
There are tonnes of other guys who need new finishers, but they’re the main ones that everybody’s talking about so I just highlighted those ones.
bigpoppapump69
05-30-2007, 11:14 PM
i think if kennedy or mvp wants to be a big time player they both need new finishers
blueflame
05-30-2007, 11:20 PM
i think khali should do the last ride simply because tht shit would hurt from that high fall from khali is a big motherfucker. also stop disssing edge about the spear
bigpoppapump69
05-30-2007, 11:28 PM
i agree with blueflame edge does the spear well and i think john cena is perfect for the fu when he gets someone huge on his back and slams him hard to the mat everyone goes insane
justinsayne
05-30-2007, 11:29 PM
i think khali should do the last ride simply because tht shit would hurt from that high fall from khali is a big motherfucker. also stop disssing edge about the spear
only problem with that is the guy would probably kill someone with the move, think about it Khali isn't the safest guy in the ring, he rarely looks like he knows what he's doing, I think something like the Torture Rack would be a good move for him, a Domioniator from that hieght would be pretty brutal too
WilzyWWE
05-30-2007, 11:36 PM
Khali is only allowed to have a very limited moveset with little risk moves, the double-handed chokeslam is dangerous enough.
You're obviously not watching him then as his spear is poor. It used to be passable but Edge's in-ring work has declined SO much the past 4 years, he needs to step it up a notch and get improving.
Yes Cena fans go insane for the FU, but that's because they LIKE Cena - the move itself is horrendous.
tap-out
06-03-2007, 05:46 PM
First off, many need a new finisher. It is hard though because Vince has put the straints on what can be used and not used. So basically for those who all need new finishers they have to come up with some variations of ddt's, powerslams, etc.
I would have to say that MVP is one for sure that needs to have a new finisher especially if they are going to push him big like they have been doing. He has a great name for the one he uses now the "playmaker", it fits his gimmick perfectly. Now he just needs a solid maneuver to go with that name. Otherwise he may end up like Johnny Nitro.....pushed big with the IC title runs but never really had an established finisher and is now...well with Kenny teaming up.
Egg McMuffin
06-03-2007, 05:49 PM
MVP's doesnt even look like it hurts so yea definately his. The playmaker now looks like his knee hits the floor and other than a bit of a twisted neck how does that hurt the oponent?? Id definately say MVP.
sXeBoy40
06-03-2007, 06:35 PM
CM Punk’s finishers are both poor. His GTS is atrocious, and he can’t perform it great at all. It really ruins a good match and just isn’t believable as a finishing move. Also his Anaconda Vice is just too boring and again puts a lame and unimpressive end to a good match.
He just needs to work on it a bit, he just started using it. He doesnt even use the anaconda vise anymore. And you cant really blame him for not having a good finisher, Vince wont let him do the pepsi plunge.
duckhollywood
06-03-2007, 06:53 PM
John Cena-He should drop to his knees when he flips his opponent off his back and drive them head-first into the ground.
Trevor Murdoch-The Canadian Destroyer doesn't work for him. he needs something like Kid Kash's Moneymaker
Chris Masters-He would do good using a Brainbuster DDT
Kennedy-I'd like to see him use the People's DDT
Khali-He should use a GTS from the Gorilla Press position
Brian Kendrick-I think he should try the Canadian Destroyer, but before flipping into a piledriver, he should underhook like a pedigree
Paul London-Someone let him use the c-4 that Paul Birchill did
Cade & Murdoch-with their push, they need the 3D move, although that's being used in TNA
MVP-He needs like a rolling Spinebuster
Tommy Dreamer needs to win, but i like his spinebuster
CM Punk-his GTS on Elijah Burke when he turned on the New Breed, it sucked. he needs the Anaconda Vice.
Jeff Hardy needs a grapple finisher
Lashley is okay
Just release matt striker PLEASE!
Sandman would need one, but i dont think he will be with the company much longer
I like the RKO, but when he did it to RVD monday, it was kinda fake looking. and i hate Orton's new temple kick
Umaga needs to use his toss and somoan drop
and finally, Snitsky. he needs sumthin like a throw.
That's all i can think of for now
shalliin
06-03-2007, 11:21 PM
Shelton Benjamin needs to go back to the go back to his original T-Bone with the greater height into the slam. and then a submission or a pinning combo like the dragon suplex or deathlock with bridge.
Nitro could use the old Tiger Bomb (double underhook powerbomb)
Edge can go back to his old Downward Spyral, Edgucution DDT, Edgucator submission(a variation of a sharpshooter but only half step over to te side instead of sitting on the back)
Lashley could use the Towerhacker bomb ( pick up like a torture rack, throw over the head into a powerbomb.) Or the Jackhammer.
Batista should start using the Pearl River plunge (doubleunderhook into sit down batista bomb).
CM Punk, I like the Anaconda Vice, but the GTS is worse looking finisher since Hogan's legdrop. He could do a pretty good Spinning Fishermen plex and combine it into the Anaconda Vice.
MVP, the playmaker(overdrive) suits him for nowwhen the move is done properly.
HHH needs a new move. The pedigree is old and has always been overrated. At his size and strength, he should be using a more high impact move. Something like the move the Craddle Shock(a fireman's carry spin into a driver/bomb drop)
Kane needs to go back to the Tombstone Piledriver, if he ever is used as anything more then a glorified jobber again.
Umaga's Samoan Spike is pretty solid for his character, and with his splash and Samoan Drop, he's fine the way he is until his character grows.
Cena's FU and the STFU are also okay for where he is right now. He's shown he can get the larger guys up and still have impact on the move, so no need to try and change him now.
Someone needs to get a move like the Spinning Bottom(hold like going for a Fall Away Slam, then throw legs and drive down lchest/head like a rock bottom). someone on the edge between light/heavy weight size.
If you want to give Khali something new, then give him a simple Military press.(Lift over head, press like with weights, hold high in air and drop person on their front/ back)
Mark Henry shoudl do the Earthquake squash pin instead of a splash.
Kennedy is fine, but for a little variety, a DDT/suplex.(grab like Steiner does for the Complete shot, but lift and throw over the shoulder onto his head instead of driving it down)
Jeff Hardy could add something like a Falling powerslam or Cobra CLutch bomb.
That's it for now, anyway.
Jay_Dawg
06-04-2007, 05:08 AM
Lashley needs like a repeating powerbomb like jericho used 2 do MVP is fine Nitro could have a suplex into a facebuster it would suit him Triple H should have the pedigree and the pepsi plunge CM punk should have a lift up STO into a Anaconda Vice would add more intrest and jeff hardy should do the reverse twist of fate. i really wanna see sumone use a powerbomb into a DDT it would look awesum mayb Lashley could use it!
phillop
06-04-2007, 06:22 AM
repeating power bombs look stupid though, they look as if they have very little impact. id like to see carlito have a top rope finisher, maybee like kennys leg drop, thats a cool move, pitty kenny dont get 2 use it enough.
edge needs somthing better than a spear 2, hes world champ!! and spears are just to common these day. bring back the edgucution, or a top rope edge o matic. and hhhs pedigree is the most over move in wrestling, why change it?? also lashley to make the f-5 his
Joe Cena
06-04-2007, 09:06 AM
i agree that kennedy needs a new finisher , jeff hardy has the swanton bomb and its his defining manouvre , however i sense that kennedy is gunna get a massiv push wen he returns so a move that goes down with the fans , such as the swanton bomb would be a good way to giv him face appeal. but , it just doesnt look as good to me as when jeff does it , i reckon some kind of spinning ddt (although overused by the wwe) would look good
Legendkiller64
06-11-2007, 05:29 PM
I think Lashley should go back to the dominator and as for MVP how about the tko is hasnt been used since marc mero and is a sickass move.
The Champ
06-11-2007, 07:33 PM
IMO, Bobby Lashley definitely needs a new finisher. I really don't understand why they decided to get rid of the Dominator. I thought that it was a really cool finisher, and the only thing I really enjoyed about Lashley. Now, he has a boring running powerslam, and a spear, which pretty much everybody in the WWE uses from time to time.
Randolph H
06-11-2007, 11:13 PM
IMO, Bobby Lashley definitely needs a new finisher. I really don't understand why they decided to get rid of the Dominator. I thought that it was a really cool finisher, and the only thing I really enjoyed about Lashley. Now, he has a boring running powerslam, and a spear, which pretty much everybody in the WWE uses from time to time.
They have him being too much like Goldberg... Talk about recycling WCW gimmicks... :icon_sad:
mikemib
06-12-2007, 01:01 AM
I was thinking about different finishers that maybe Marella seeing he needs one or CM Punk, which would be better than the GTS. What about using the Diamond Dust that Masato Tanaka used to use in the old ECW days.
tap-out
06-13-2007, 02:35 PM
Some of you have siad that Kennedy needs one....at least one. I agree. He definitely needs one that he can pull off with out really having to set up. Doesn't have to be something like the RKO where it comes from nowhere with no set up, but something like the stunner or pedigree where you set him up with a kick and then go. I woul like to see him go with the double arm ddt or impaler ddt. He is not super huge so it wouldn't work if he did a high impact move like a powerbomb.
JRG66
06-17-2007, 03:29 PM
Batista definently needs a new finisher. His Batista Bomb is soooo shitty. if he had a finishing move such as an F5, maybe i'd appreciate him more(ok maybe not an F5 cuz only Lesnar can do that but something along those lines)
Y 2 Jake
06-17-2007, 03:31 PM
Batista definitely needs a new finisher. His Batista Bomb is soooo shitty. if he had a finishing move such as an F5, maybe I'd appreciate him more(ok maybe not an F5 cuz only Lesnar can do that but something along those lines)
Agreed. How can somebody fuck up a decent move like a powerbomb? It's one of the most devastating looking moves out there. And yet he frequently struggles to pick up wrestlers. I would shit my pants if I was on the receiving end of one.
kieran_devlin
06-17-2007, 06:40 PM
Lashley has only got a few moves anyway so any move would help him lots.
I think Snitsky need a new finisher, come on a big boot and a powerbomb, okay a powerbomb is okay but he is a huge guy he could do some sort of slam aswell ora ddt from Snitsky would be devestating.
Aswell Mr Kennedy could use a submission easy to set up and would suit him perfectly and CM Punk could do some sort of turnbuckle move involving him flying off the turnbuckle or putting someone on the turnbuckle and doing a move to them.
Evan Snow-Wolf
06-18-2007, 12:18 AM
Batista.
I've never liked it, ever. Its a sit out powerbomb. Its not very unique or flavorful at all. Granted, it looks kind of high impact, but so do a hundred other maneuvers that would look a lot more interesting.
Big Ray
06-18-2007, 11:25 PM
wow this could take a while
John Cena..a guy this strong that is carrying the company deserves a better finisher..maybe make the STFU his only finisher and have the FU be a set-up
Umaga..a thumb to the throat? come on..that samoan drop he did was fine
Santino Marella..4 words..champ without a finisher
Elijah Burke..its knees to the back ..nothing special
Thats it
mr_shwiggy
06-18-2007, 11:43 PM
Lashley has only got a few moves anyway so any move would help him lots.
I think Snitsky need a new finisher, come on a big boot and a powerbomb, okay a powerbomb is okay but he is a huge guy he could do some sort of slam aswell ora ddt from Snitsky would be devestating.
Aswell Mr Kennedy could use a submission easy to set up and would suit him perfectly and CM Punk could do some sort of turnbuckle move involving him flying off the turnbuckle or putting someone on the turnbuckle and doing a move to them.
Lashley's been going back to the dominator which suits him well.
Snitsky used to use the Catatonic (fallaway slam to Uranage) which looks powerful and impactful
Kennedy could maybe use the standing version of the Green Bay Plunge as a finisher too
The sand man needs a new finisher....and a new moveset.......
jsn23
06-19-2007, 07:50 AM
i think khali could do a submission finisher... like a sleeper hold however it would be applied while the opponent is in the air (from the hold) - making it look like the person is being hanged!
he could also pull off a razors edge/last ride powerbomb... that would just look deadly!
jsn23
06-19-2007, 07:58 AM
oh i also forgot to add batista's name... the bomb is good but he should do better.
i remember goldberg was in the elimination chamber match a few years ago and he picked up orton for a military press. but instead of the usual over-the-head slam/drop, goldberg dropped orton on his shoulders and slammed the crap outta him - spinebuster style!!
now i believe Batista can pull that off & make it look great! since he already does a few military presses now and then, i think that move would suit him (get rid of his already-dull spinebuster).
chisfife
06-22-2007, 04:53 PM
king booker, the book end and the sccissor kick are just getting a bit old to me. hes experienced enough so id like to see him try something new.
Downward Spiral
06-22-2007, 06:41 PM
I'd like to see Edge drop the spear as an actual finishing move. Like people have said in another thread, the move just doesn't look good, and it's already overused too much, so a fresh finisher is needed from him. Right now, Edge's Edgecution (the lifting DDT) is used sporadically, and only as one of those near-fall moves, but I would really like to see that move reintroduced as Edge's finisher. It's different, and it looked really good when Edge used to spin around when doing it.
Hell, replace the spear with his old Downward Spiral (complete shot.) Muhammad Hassan used the move to great effect, and it's one of those quick, out of nowhere moves that Edge should have in his arsenal. I'm not saying that the spear can't be used to that effect, but I think that move has just grown old, and it just doesn't look good when you compare it to the other guys that use it now and make it look powerful.
Edge has had the move for too long, and I think it's time people started kicking out of it, or he makes it look good again (the last truly awesome spear that I can recall was when he absolutely killed Trish Stratus with it, but he just can't do that with the big guys.)
Jay_Dawg
06-23-2007, 01:33 AM
Ok Kennedy should have the TKO he is strong enough to pull it off and i think that nitro, carlito or someone fairly athletic like shelton benjamin should try the canadian destroyer! it would fit benjamin perfectly! The C-4 should come back aswell maybe for Carlito! and also Lashley should do like a Body Press into a powerslam he is strong enough and will fit him perfectly it would also make him look more unstoppable and suit his style of wrestling! It would also be big with the fans!
Esteban Ochocinco
06-23-2007, 10:35 AM
I'm in agreement with Edge. The character and the wrestler are near perfect, except the gaping hole for a finisher. I get it, Edge and Spear, it sounds cute and goes together, much like Sharpshooter and Hitman. The Spear should be a set up move, much like the Snakes Short Armed Clothesline. Edge's finishers, The Downward Spiral, Edgecution and Edgucator, should all make a comeback.
Mcmahon Hater
06-25-2007, 12:34 AM
Mick Foley because I have taken a Mandible claw. He needs a move like the frog splash. Mark Henry also needs a better one because i've taken worse moves then the world's strongest slam. The figure four leg lock hurts more then the world's strongest slam.
justinsayne
06-25-2007, 01:09 AM
Mark Henry just needs to modify the worlds strongest slam a bit, just start the move out as a Military press then drop them into the worlds strongest slam, though I'd rather see him use something like the torture rack, with his size and power it could be quite effective, Masters is another guy who needs something new, the Masterlock isn't bad, but it would be nice to see him use a slam or something
CanadaTed
06-25-2007, 01:35 AM
Now that Nitro is the ECW champion he should probably come up with a finishing maneuver... He seems to try out different ones from time to time but none of them ever stick.
BlackHoleCradleShock
06-25-2007, 08:58 AM
Chavo Guerrero needs a new finisher.
The Gory Special is a family tradition and all,
but it's not all that exciting anymore.
I've never been a fan of the egular Frog Splash,
I think it's boring.
Plus people boo him when he does it,
because Eddie over-shadows him.
He needs something fresh, innovative, and painful to make his cruiserweight run more interesting.
JRG66
06-25-2007, 01:37 PM
Johnny Nitro's finishing move that he used at Vengeance is probably the worst finishing move i have ever seen in my entire life! I could've kicked out of that at 1, even if he did that move 10,000 times!
What was wrong with CM Punk's Anaconda Vice? That was an amazing submission move! Now he's got that gay GTS thing.
BlackHoleCradleShock
06-25-2007, 02:02 PM
Johnny Nitro's finishing move that he used at Vengeance is probably the worst finishing move i have ever seen in my entire life! I could've kicked out of that at 1, even if he did that move 10,000 times!
What was wrong with CM Punk's Anaconda Vice? That was an amazing submission move! Now he's got that gay GTS thing.
Agreed, as a finisher. I don't like the GTS.
As a signature or set-up move sure, but it just doesn't work as a finisher.
I wish they'd just allow him to use his old finisher, the Pepsi Plunge.
If he did the top rope pedigree all would be well on the Punk ECW front.
michigan
06-27-2007, 10:42 AM
I agree Lashley needs something, but what about this.
1. The old Torture Rack from Lex Luger. I think it would be a nice fit. Good submission move.
2. When you want a pinning move take the man up into the torture rack position and spin him off your shoulders like an F5 and land him on his back. BOOM solid finisher. Match over.
legallyillegal
06-27-2007, 12:29 PM
give kennedy the float over ddt as a set-up for a kenton (nothing wrong with using a splash as a finisher)
lashley needs to go back to the original dominator.
faucheaux
06-27-2007, 12:35 PM
With finishers some people need to have a move only they do not other people. Ex Edge, Lashley, Batista.
Batista should stick to his spin buster and Batista Bomb. no more spear
The torture rack could work for Lashley because he is big just like Luger was.
Edge should be the only one with the spear.
Eugene needs his own gimmick that isn't what he does now and his own moves instead of doing former wrestlers moves.
Snitsky needs something besides a boot tot he face. I find that more as a set up move. Someone like him should have a powerbomb like the Jacknife powerbomb Nash did.
Umaga should use the top rope splash that he has been doing as his finisher. I never new how someone could lose a match by being poked in the throat.
Chris Masters should keep the Masterlock but get another finisher just because the Masterlock has been broken. He looks like someone that could use the Arn Anderson spinebuster.
MVP should get a high impact finisher now that he is a star. The move he does now was good when he was starting, but now that he has a title he needs something better. The Rude Awakening would be a great finisher for him or a neckbreaker like it.
Boogeyman should go back to the Boogeyslam which was the move he used to beat Simon Dean in his first match. It was different and Khali already uses the double handed chokebomb.
:xmen:
rickyricochet111
06-27-2007, 03:49 PM
I think umaga does; a thumb to the face doesnt look like it hurts that badly, and santino marrella doesnt even have a finisher
Rocketfire
06-27-2007, 10:02 PM
I'd say CM Punk should quit using the GTS it takes to long to set up and just like what happened last night on ECW Burke hit Punk with his elbow and countered it. I think he should go back to using the Anaconda Vice because...
1.) It's quick
2.) It targets multiple areas. The upper body, shoulder, wrist, and elbow.
3.) It can make people tap even if you haven't targeted those areas.
But that's just my opinion...feel free to respond.
Rocketfire
06-27-2007, 10:28 PM
I also think that Kane should go back to use the Tombstone Piledriver All he uses is the chokeslam and a top-rope diving lariat. Keep the chokeslam but add the Tombstone. One or the other to finish but not both like Undertaker that would just be copying the Deadman. Once again that's just my opinion...feel free to respond.
The Bearded One
06-27-2007, 11:31 PM
I don't know why people don't like like the Soman Spike. After getting hit in the throat would make it hard to breathe. You would be trying to catch your breath while you got pinned.
I think Elijah Burke needs a new finisher. The Elijah Express would be a good set up move. I can't think of another move for him though, but if they want him to be a main eventer, he needs something new and more devastating.
legallyillegal
06-28-2007, 05:51 AM
I also think that Kane should go back to use the Tombstone Piledriver All he uses is the chokeslam and a top-rope diving lariat. Keep the chokeslam but add the Tombstone. One or the other to finish but not both like Undertaker that would just be copying the Deadman. Once again that's just my opinion...feel free to respond.
kane's knees are shot, that's why he doesn't do the tombstone anymore, he also can't do very many power moves anymore... he can't even do the one arm sidewalk slam anymore
big pink machine
BlackHoleCradleShock
06-28-2007, 07:35 AM
I don't know why people don't like like the Soman Spike. After getting hit in the throat would make it hard to breathe. You would be trying to catch your breath while you got pinned.
I think Elijah Burke needs a new finisher. The Elijah Express would be a good set up move. I can't think of another move for him though, but if they want him to be a main eventer, he needs something new and more devastating.
I like how Umaga uses the butt bash as as et-up and then finishes them with the spike.
You can tell sometimes that he doesn't really hit them,
but as with most things in WWE, you have to use your imagination.
I'd like to see Elijah with a move I saw at an indie wrestling match with Derek Fraizer.
A spinning Unprettier,
it sets up the same way with their head behind your back and you're holding their arms,
but they're facing up instead of down,
then the wrestler does a spin and drops them on their face.
Pretty sick, I think it would work for him nicely.
Rocketfire
06-28-2007, 10:41 AM
kane's knees are shot, that's why he doesn't do the tombstone anymore, he also can't do very many power moves anymore... he can't even do the one arm sidewalk slam anymore
big pink machine
If "his knees are shot", can you explain to me how come he did a tombstone on Lita on Raw last year? And by the way he always does one arm sidewalk slams.
shalliin
06-28-2007, 11:50 AM
He's sort of a combination between Goldberg and Lesnar, but while he has all their combined in ring talents, he doesn't have the 'presence' to match them.
Echelon
06-28-2007, 11:52 AM
If "his knees are shot", can you explain to me how come he did a tombstone on Lita on Raw last year? And by the way he always does one arm sidewalk slams.
His knees are shot. Lita is a 130 pound girl and Kane is a 320 pound man. Kane could have a broken back and could probably still give give Lita a descent tombstone. Kane doesn't have the strength in his knees to constantly give men who are almost as big as he is, a tombstone piledriver, safely.
As far as the sidewalk slam, I agree, he still does the one arm sidewalk slam and the one arm tilt a whirl slam on occasion.
BrooklynBuc
06-28-2007, 12:15 PM
I'm not a fan of C.M. Punk's Go2Sleep, but it looks cool when it's sold well (like when Carlito took it in their match). I liked the Anaconda Vice too, but maybe it was too much pain for some wrestlers or maybe they didn't want him using the set-up move(the Uranage Suplex aka Rock Bottom/Book-End)
Khali should use the two-handed chokeslam more and Umaga should use the Samoan Splash more too. He looks like Fatu in his Headshrinker days when he does it, and that was when it looked devastating.
M.V.P. definitely needs a new finisher. The Playmaker/Overdrive just looks stupid. Why not let him use the Christian's reverse DDT when he dropped his whole body? It would fit his style pretty well, and it wouldn't be a blatant finisher copy, the same way that Taker uses a choke-slam as a set-up while Kane uses it as a finisher. Another good one is the sleeper slam, where the guy locks on a sleeper, then moves back and drops them into a slam. Jericho called it the Flashback when he used it.
Johnny Nitro might be trying to adapt the 2nd rope neckbreaker as a finisher, but he'd be better off going for a quick-hit move, something like a Downward Spiral or a Jarrett Stroke finisher. What about Jericho's Full Nelson Facebuster he tried for a time? (Amazing how Jericho had all those great set-up/finisher moves, and the most poular was a simple 2nd rope moonsault and a modified Boston Crab...)
Hulltech
06-28-2007, 12:33 PM
johnny nitro needs a finisher like the one i made up the destoyer a flipping piledriver
Papa Shango
06-28-2007, 12:50 PM
Cena and Lashley are already over, so they don't need new finishers, although Cena could do with mayb making a third finisher, maybe off the top rope. Carlito's Backstabber doesn't always look great, but it always gets a pop. as does Punks GTS, altough in my opinion he should use both the GTS and Anaconda Vice. Johnny Nitro, in my opinion, needs TWO finishers to get over. I think he should do a top rope somersault leg drop(Old School Booker T, remember the Harlem Hangover?) and a spinning Brainbuster. Umaga should use that monster Samoan Drop more often as finisher. Shelton Benjamin should use... aw who cares he's never gonna make it big in WWE. MVP needs to use ANYTHING bsides the playmaker. Chris Masters needs a power move to compliment the Masterlock, either a cool spinout Powerbomb or... Duh how about a full nelson suplex?! How did I never think of that before?
...Kane doesn't have the strength in his knees to constantly give men who are almost as big as he is, a tombstone piledriver, safely...
Not constantly Echelon, but i cant understand how Kane is still working with guys like Khali(wm23, when he BODYSLAMMED Kahli!!), William Regal(who isnt a feather, the guy is 240lbs or so...)Dave Taylor(even heavier than Regal by 10 or 15 lbs..) and now "the self proclamed Silver-Crap" Mark Henry (about 400lbs) and the WWE aproves it!! The guy is suffering with his knees from a long time, and he should take some time off right now! I cant see this happening though, because i have the feeling that Kane is next in line for a WHC shot.
anyway, it will be a shame too see Kane retiring soon because of a major knee problem....
Now, for a wrestler who needs a new finisher... I think Mr.Kennedy will need something new now that he returns soon, i really cant see Kennedy doing the green Bay plunge on Triple H, or Cena for example.... He needs something like a stunner or a quick submission move, maybe now he can take the sharpshooter and take it to another level!
isnt it ironic? if he choose the sharpshooter, he could call the move: The Kennedy Shooter...not too apropriate i guess.
BrooklynBuc
06-28-2007, 01:50 PM
The Kennedy Shooter?! You may as well call it The Grassy Knowl then.
Maybe Kennedy could use the Ankle Lock. Ken Shamrock used it first, then Angle took it, so maybe it could work for Kennedy too. He'd have to change his arsenal a little bit to be more technical to work the lower leg/ankle though.
Does anyone know, or can find it online, the WWE banned moves? It'd be interesting to know what besides DDTs and piledrivers are on the list.
kidkash3000
06-28-2007, 02:06 PM
The Kennedy Shooter?! You may as well call it The Grassy Knowl then.
Maybe Kennedy could use the Ankle Lock. Ken Shamrock used it first, then Angle took it, so maybe it could work for Kennedy too. He'd have to change his arsenal a little bit to be more technical to work the lower leg/ankle though.
Does anyone know, or can find it online, the WWE banned moves? It'd be interesting to know what besides DDTs and piledrivers are on the list.
ken kennedy using the ankle lock is a bad idea it would completely mess him up no one in the wwe right now could use the ankle lock
JungleBogey
06-28-2007, 02:24 PM
I like kennedy's greenbay plunge. sick move and looks pretty devistating.
Nitro should have the corkscrew moonsault as his finisher
basketball4life38
06-29-2007, 12:46 AM
In my opinion the playmaker overdrive is good enough for now...i mean he is a heel so he will be winning most of his matches because of interferance or other ways of cheating. its not a bad move imo anyway. Kennedy's green bay plunge is great, rmeember when he did it to hornswoggle at WM23. hahah i jumped out of my seat. The only one who needs a new finisher is CM Punk, it should be somthing kick related, what i mean by that is like a karate move or somthing like that because he like RVD is good at using his feet and kicking. either that or a top rope move...
Highway Boots
06-29-2007, 01:06 AM
I think no one really needs a new finisher but they should work on just building up to the ones they have in a match. Just think of all the great finishers and have them performed by current superstars
Examples
Paul London doing the pedigree (Horrible image and we'd call for a new finisher right?)
Cena doing the Stunner (LMAO - Too funny and yet we'd call for a new finisher)
Now if these 2 examples did more ring psychology we'd be behind them 100% It's not that they can do them it's that the don't build up to them in a theatrical sense. All the finishers could be more devastating if they'd play up to them.
astroid_blaster
06-29-2007, 05:09 AM
i feel MVP does Cuz all they do is give the same new people the same finisher. MVP just calls his the Playmaker.
As for Kennedy needing a new move Cuz its like a "cruiserweight type move" i disagree. Yes it is a move c-weights do, but cuz he is large, and doesnt seem like he work be able to pull it off, it shows how athletic he is. i do agree the build up is too slow tho as a person could easily move b4 he pulls it off, and to REALLY hit hit, you need to do a damaging move to keep them down. if you can keep them down long enough to do that, you may as well pin them. i see your point, but i feel the Kenton Bomb should still be used.
I agree with you all in the fact that MVP and Kennedy both need new moves. One move for one of them, don't matter what one, is the Widows Peak. Ok, I know it's a divas move right now, but Victoria is so underused right now, no one would notice, and you could always make it look a bit different ith a different name.
Another move seems more like an MVP move, the Unprettier. Someone already said that a while ago, but I'm quoting them on it, thats a great more.
One more move change, and I'm kinda worrying that I'm gonna get crapped on for this, as would CM Punk if he took this move, but can you guys imagine Punk with a Crossface? Not the "Crippler Crossface", but modify it and give it a different name. That'd be decent.
Rocketfire
06-29-2007, 11:27 PM
His knees are shot. Lita is a 130 pound girl and Kane is a 320 pound man. Kane could have a broken back and could probably still give give Lita a descent tombstone. Kane doesn't have the strength in his knees to constantly give men who are almost as big as he is, a tombstone piledriver, safely.
As far as the sidewalk slam, I agree, he stilll does the one arm sidewalk slam and the one arm tilt a whirl slam on occasion.
Ok, you got me on that one... but you have to admitt it would be cool to see Kane deliver a Tombstone (even though he can't)... I must say you know your stuff and I respect that.
i76hitman
06-30-2007, 08:13 AM
Ok, you got me on that one... but you have to admitt it would be cool to see Kane deliver a Tombstone (even though he can't)... I must say you know your stuff and I respect that.
Maybe let him do a Tombstone once in a while, or give him something else to use, maybe something like a modified "Go to heaven" would look great with his height if he could get a good rotation. Or even a Jacknife even though powerbombs are everywhere latley.
http://www.wrestlingencyclopedia.com/Moves2/GoToHeaven.wmv
jamesjd66
08-07-2007, 05:14 PM
Didn;t really know where to put this so I came back here.
WWE.com has a poll up about who has the best finisher on Smackdown. Aside from wwe's shameless promotion of King Leonidas from "300" the other options are the Masterlock(masters), the Celtic Cross(Finlay), and the Playmaker(MVP).
IMHO, the playmaker is one of the sloppyiest, "not making any sense", ridiculous moves and the fucked up part is that it's actually winning.
It sucked when Orton was doing it, and it sucks now.:twocents:
Kourtney_Game
08-07-2007, 08:48 PM
lol good call, that move just looks horrible, CM punk should have a different finisher bcus he will hot be able to use GTS on every wrestler its something how he did it to Cor Von
Sparky
08-07-2007, 09:14 PM
i think Mat Hardy needs a new finisher not dissing the guy or anything but he needs something other then the twist of fate it is to slow and easy to be reversed he should change it to something more fast something like the RKO or sweet chin music something that can come out of no where. he has had the twist of fate for as long as i can remember it needs to go, even the side effect looks better pulled off then that but ideally he needs something off the top rope as his finisher.
he is a Hardy he could pull it off easy.
Kourtney_Game
08-07-2007, 09:19 PM
I thinl the side effect would be a sweeter finisher than twist of fate also, even though it would be one of those "how can that possibly hurt?" finishers
InsomniacZombie
08-14-2007, 12:51 PM
Sine the WWE has an obsession with Cena, god give him a high impact finisher, the FU is just too weak.
Kennedy needs A finisher, the Kenton has disappeared due to JEff Hardy returning. And that top rope firemans roll only works on smaller guys.
I also agree on the spear being too used nowadays.
Banes88
08-14-2007, 01:00 PM
Give Kennedy a dominating finisher as he is obviously going to be a fast rising superstar due to the new McMahon angle.
Edgeh
08-14-2007, 01:14 PM
Definetly Eugene. Instead of the impersonations it'll be some sort of superman deal.
Also Shelton Benjamin The t-bone is so rarely used and really doesnt seem like it would hurt too much, with vine's new MMA approach maybe it'll be some type of submission.
CM punk badly needs one. If he wants to contend for world title he needs a decent finisher.
chickenfinger47
08-14-2007, 05:43 PM
I really think that Kane needs a new finisher, while the Chokeslam is a devestating move, u see guys like Taker use it mid-match.
The Best Finishers
1) The 619 and West Coast Pop- Rey Mysterio- It takes so much athletic ability to pull it off, and Rey does it great
2) Tombstone Piledriver- Undertaker- Really looks like it hurts like hell
3) Sweet Chin Music- HBK- Again, really looks painful
4) Samoan Spike- Umaga- This really depends on how he pulls it off, sometimes it looks great, sometimes not so great.
5) Swanton Bomb- Jeff Hardy- U gotta respect the athletic ability it takes to pull it off
The Worst
1) Chokeslam- Kane- Just doesnt exite me
2) The FU- John Cena- Does not evan look like it hurts
3) The GTS- CM Punk- L love Punk, but he should go back to the Vice
4) Batista Bomb- Ripoff of JBL's finisher
5) The Twist of fate- Matt and Jeff Hardy- If its not sold it looks HORRIBLE
bucksavage
08-14-2007, 07:10 PM
I really think that Kane needs a new finisher, while the Chokeslam is a devestating move, u see guys like Taker use it mid-match.
The Best Finishers
1) The 619 and West Coast Pop- Rey Mysterio- It takes so much athletic ability to pull it off, and Rey does it great
2) Tombstone Piledriver- Undertaker- Really looks like it hurts like hell
3) Sweet Chin Music- HBK- Again, really looks painful
4) Samoan Spike- Umaga- This really depends on how he pulls it off, sometimes it looks great, sometimes not so great.
5) Swanton Bomb- Jeff Hardy- U gotta respect the athletic ability it takes to pull it off
The Worst
1) Chokeslam- Kane- Just doesnt exite me
2) The FU- John Cena- Does not evan look like it hurts
3) The GTS- CM Punk- L love Punk, but he should go back to the Vice
4) Batista Bomb- Ripoff of JBL's finisher
5) The Twist of fate- Matt and Jeff Hardy- If its not sold it looks HORRIBLE
JBL had a powerbomb but it wasnt his finisher. Batista has a sit down powerbomb while JBL his finisher. JBL was the close line from hell
"THE FIERCE ONE" MIKE W
08-14-2007, 07:21 PM
Cena needs a new finisher or just needs to use the real death valley driver. Kennedy should use the tko or something Why doesnt cm punk use the pepsi plunge? and lashley def needs a new finisher maybe an f-5 into a bodyslam.
TheOneBigWill
08-14-2007, 07:28 PM
I'll try to give a top 5 best & worst list later.. but for now, this is what I have..
C.M. Punk's GTS is good, but only if it connects right. I mean, come on, its a solid knee to the jaw, how is that not effective?!
Jeff Hardy's Swanton being respected? Its a fricken summersault, he just tilts differently as he's flipping. You wanna respect someone for their finisher? RESPECT Gregory Helms when he used to do the Vertibreaker.. just the slightest wrong move & the opponents neck is literally broken. Career over, done for...
Regarding wrestlers who need finishers, or better finishers..
John Cena - FU (its a fireman's carry, glorified)
Santino - sneaky pins (no wonder people hate him)
Chris Masters - Masterlock (its been broken, its no longer effective - neither is a powerslam)
Now then, final note. Batista's B-Bomb.. I'm surprised he hasn't blown out his knees. It looks like everytime he does it, he waits until the last minute to sit down. I'm awaiting him seriously getting hurt when he finally mistimes it so bad, that he blows out a knee cap, somehow.
PrimoEco
08-14-2007, 07:31 PM
no matter how good the move, if it isnt sold right, then it wont look good. thats obvious. regardless, alot of finishers look as weak as a regular body slam. John Cena probably has the worse move. it's a standing fireman's carry. not exciting at all. but since Cena sucks so much anyway, he shouldnt even waste his time with getting a new finisher. Kennedy should get a new finisher. right now, his finisher is the kenton, which is impressive when you consider his size compared to jeff hardy. but kennedy is not hugh morous or val venis or macho man; his finisher should not be off the top rope for that very reason. kennedy is an up and coming star and he's going to bigger than jeff hardy because of his mic skills. his finisher shouldnt be the same as another star on the same roster. i'm not saying that kennedy should stop doing the kenton, but it should be used mid-match like how undertaker uses the chokeslam.
kurtisraw07
08-20-2007, 04:27 PM
I think the superstar who needs a new finisher the most is Mr. Kennedy. I've thought long and hard about what that move could be and I've decided that it should be a Spiked DDT. More commonly known as an Evenflow DDT. Kennedy has a tendency to work the head of his opponents and even gives them the facewash boot to the face in the corner. It would be perfect seeing as Mr. Kennedy likes to play mind games and the head pertains to the mind. Yea I'm done, but you get my point.
strafro
08-20-2007, 05:01 PM
What you guys all fail to realize is that finishers are not necessarily supposed to be huge impact moves that cause much pain. I mean let's look back at some of the great and what their finishers were:
Hulk Hogan: He had a legdrop! However lame the finisher was, it was over with the crowd and people believed in it. Despite being one of the lamest moves of all time, it was probably the one "high-flying" move Hogan could do without pulling a quad or blowing a knee out.
Stone Cold Steve Austin: Now is it just me or does the Stunner just look totally lame? I mean we all love it cuz it's Stone Cold's move, but in all honesty how much would it hurt you to take the Stunner?
The Rock: I mean the guy does a dance and then drops the lamest elbow ever, he doesn't even jump. Oooooh he threw his elbow pad into the crowd, but still everyone loved and appreciated the People's Elbow.
Do you see my point, finishing moves have nothing to do with how much pain they cause or how effective they are, the effectiveness of a finisher in the end is not even dictated by the person delivering the move, but rather by the guy on the receiving end who has to sell the move and make it believable.
As far as who actually needs a new finisher, John Cena definitely does not need a new one as the FU fits my criteria of an effective, the fans know that's his move and he often uses it to win matches, despite it not really being a move that would cause much pain. Kennedy IMO does not even really have an actual finisher, I mean how often does he use the Kenton Bomb or Green Bay Plunge to win a match? I would love to see someone bust out old school Jericho and use the double powerbomb as their finisher.
And on a side note, would the 630 splash really be that much more effective that a Swanton? I mean that extra somersault just makes it look cooler and doesn't really make it more effective.
End of rant.
aRush
08-21-2007, 12:45 AM
Edge - Give him back the Edgucator, it was original and looked better and the Spear would work as a good setup move for it.
Lashley - Give him back his Dominator, or something different. I could see him with something like a Torture Rack flipped into a DDT. That could work for him
Kennedy - The GB Plunge is a cool move but just doesn't work for everyone. For his strength maybe a pumphandle reverse DDT or something like that.
Masters - Base it off the Masterlock, a Full Nelson Facebuster like what Jericho used would be good for him. He already works the head, and that and his submission would fit right together so he could easily do one then the other right away.
Shelton Benjamin - I could see him with the Omega Driver, or maybe a submission move like the Koji Clutch.
Agrex
08-21-2007, 12:03 PM
Batista needs a new one really bad. He won't get one though, he'll stay with the "Batista Bomb"
C.M. Punk also needs one the GTS looks very sloppy and painless. He should go back to the Anaconda Vice.
ICEMAN_92
08-22-2007, 04:58 AM
i think if hulk hogan wrestled in more matches he would have to change his finisher because lets face it, its 2007 and who get pinned 1-2-3 with a running leg drop?!!!
hardcore holly also needs a new finisher cuz the alabama slam is over-rated and it dosent look like it hurts sum1 that much to have them lose a match.
and jerome lol lawler needs to change his move asap just because!
thats all i can think of right now
Stosser7799
08-22-2007, 05:48 AM
People who need new finishers.....
1. Mr. Kennedy- this guy needs a new finisher bad and since coming to Raw i don't think fans even now what his finisher is....may I suggest one...The Death Valley Driver...would put Cena's glorified Fireman's Carry to shame. And is a move no one on the roster is using so it would stand out.
2. Bobby Lashley- This guy is a helluva wrestler but needs a finisher that fits him better....I think since they(meaning wwe) have gone out of their way in my opinion to make him their new version of Lesnar....the whole NCAA background stuff and his jump from the floor to the apron....why not give him Lesnar's move the F5 or Verdict or whatever you want to call it. I think that move would fit him very well and i think improve his standing with the fans.
3. John Cena- I am sort of torn on this cause I absolutely love laughing at the glorified Fireman's Carry and it makes it even easier for me to hate Cena besides all the other reasons to hate him.....And he also needs to get rid of the submission hold.....Techincal Wrestlers use submission holds not brawlers which Cena clearly is. Benoit, Hart, Flair and Kurt Angle get submission holds cause they can wrestle......Cena in my opinion isn't worthy.
4. Shelton Benjamin- This guy can wrestle no doubt about it....Hell give him Cena's submission hold.....and i think you can have the next Chris Benoit...The guy is also a high flyer as well....but since WWE has outlawed most of the good top rope moves the only left is the frog/five star splash and that would not be a good choice for Shelton.
Freedom 35
08-22-2007, 12:10 PM
To me Cm Punks move is pretty sad, doesn't look like it would hurt at all
actually when its done right the GTS is actually a pretty good move.
the person i think needs a new finisher is MVP the playmaker/overdrive is ok but he needs a more serious move maybe like the death valley driver, i know someone said it for kennedy but i think it would fit MVP better.
mochalman
08-22-2007, 09:22 PM
i agree with the finisher has to be something powerful, one of a kind, and can be pulled out whenever. like HBK, his kick can come out of nowhere. i think someone such as johnny nitro should get a new one if he is getting the new push to be a next top wrestler. give khali a big powerbomb, that'll be sweet. bring back some of the high rope finishers to.
Freedom 35
08-23-2007, 02:17 AM
Another wrestler i forgot was Mr Kennedy. he really doesnt have a set finisher right now so what i think would be a good finisher for him is a move he already does, i think he should use the green bay plunge but from a standing position set up like the FU then he does the flip onto the person and makes the FU seem basic(which it actually is)
you all have named the obivious and i agree but how about the not so obivious names like
Jimmy Wang Yang - his moonsault is nice but does his opponent really need to be standing up. with his eleavtion it would cause more damage just to land it reagualry
Cody Rhodes - don't even know waht it is but if you wanna become established as a major up-and-comer you have to have something besides roll-ups and School Boy pins
The Sandman - In ECW a white russian leg sweep was fine due to the extreme rules but take the cane away and it's just a regular Russian Leg Sweep and the rollng rock looks just like that....a big ass rock falling off the top rope
Mark Henry - The World's Strongest Slam is just a dumb move all around you pick someone up and fall...this could be more damaging on someone with some more weight like Viscera(Big Daddy V) or even Khali but Henry although big is not big enough
The Miz - his swinging neckbreaker is...well actually it's ok but needs a lot of work to help with the impact and force
drmagic326
08-23-2007, 01:49 PM
I think MVP do. The playmaker doesnt cut it for me. like ive seen a handful of superstars to do his finisher. like Matt Striker...Randy Orton and more but he needs something original.
Captain Bean
10-07-2007, 02:29 PM
kennedy needs a new one, so does shelton and MVP.
finishers shud b devsatating and fast. eg. STUNNER, ROCK BOTTOM CHOKESLAM SPEAR SWEET CHIN MUSIC PEDIGREE etc these cud cum out of nowhere.
submissions = walls of jericho, ankle lock and crippler crossface
electryfying moves - PEOPLES ELBOW:D
Show188
10-08-2007, 12:31 AM
i agree kennedy does need a new one cause finlay and rvd used to used it as a regular move and it looks too dangerous to constantly do it off the top rope
MvP also.. I never really liked that finisher cause when its used in the wwe its never preformed right
gitarguyhhh
10-08-2007, 12:50 AM
I also think Kennedy needs a new finisher.
The Green Bay Plunge is weak and getting old. Also if they want to establish him as a main-even player he would deff need a new finisher. A finisher that he could do out of nowhere like the RKO or the Stunner but hey that's just my opinion.
Marcus_Prime
10-08-2007, 01:32 AM
Ok I'm going to put the wrestler's name "suggested" finisher.
*Bobby Lashley - The Dominator (what was wrong with that move?)
*Hardcore Holly - The Falcon Arrow (but he has to study the way Hayabusa did it)
*John Cena - Death Valley Driver (The F-U is a glorified fireman's carry, why not just do the DVD, it has more impact and looks much better)
*Mr. Kennedy - Hawaiian Smasher
*Shelton Benjamin - Blockbuster
*Umaga - Top Rope Splash
*The Major Brothers - Give them a new gimmick!! LOL and new moves period.
*Edge - Downward Spiral (Don't know why he stopped using it, that spear has got to go!!)
*MVP - Last Rites/Roll the Dice
*The Great Khali - The Iron Claw
*CM Punk - Uranage to Anaconda Vice (He doesn't do justice to the GTS)
big bad brian
10-08-2007, 01:32 AM
M.V.P. should use the mvp as his finisher........ More Vomit Please
Kennedy should have a Green Bay Cheesehead........ Stick his opponents face in his armpit (nasty boys ), then stunn them.
Freedom 35
10-08-2007, 01:34 AM
Kennedy should have a Green Bay Cheesehead........ Stick his opponents face in his armpit (nasty boys ), then stunn them.
honestly Im ok with kennedys current finisher the green bay plunge from a standing position still puts the FU to shame even though its not from the second rope.
dipwu201
10-08-2007, 01:38 AM
PAUL LONDON IS IN DESPERATE NEED FOR A NEW FINISHER, I MEAN DOES HE EVEN HAVE A FINISHER? IF THEY WONT LET HIM USE THE 450 OR THE SHOOTING STAR PRESS WHY NOT A STANDING SHOOTING STAR PRESS OR THE Legsweep DDT THAT HE USE TO DO IN ROH
Marcus_Prime
10-08-2007, 01:40 AM
PAUL LONDON IS IN DESPERATE NEED FOR A NEW FINISHER, I MEAN DOES HE EVEN HAVE A FINISHER? IF THEY WONT LET HIM USE THE 450 OR THE SHOOTING STAR PRESS WHY NOT A STANDING SHOOTING STAR PRESS OR THE Legsweep DDT THAT HE USE TO DO IN ROH
Sucks that they ground all the high flyers except Mysterio, but yeah, that Legsweep DDT was a pretty good move or the standing shooting star could work, either him or Morrison should use that....Morrison really needs new ring attire too....
crowdevil
10-08-2007, 02:20 AM
Chris Jericho---needs to do the original Lion Tamer..(knee to the back of the neck, not a boston crab)
The Great Khali---any wrestleing move would be nice
Umaga---full nelson slam
Mr. Kennedy----Front face lock drop (Michael Hayes)
Tommy Dreamer. A simple DDT doesn't really cut it for me as a finishing move as lots of wrestlers use it as a simple move.
a7xoff
10-08-2007, 08:38 AM
Cena needs to loose the STFU. I'm not going to say why consedering it's been said time and time again in the John Cena thread.
I'd also like to see RKO get a second finisher. I remember a DDT that he did to RVD a while back when Orton won the IC title back when Evolution was around. He set RVD's legs up on the top turnbuckle and DDT pretty much at a 90 degree angle. That move won him the match and the title, but I havent seen him use it ever since then I don't think.
Show188
10-08-2007, 02:55 PM
Cena needs to loose the STFU. I'm not going to say why consedering it's been said time and time again in the John Cena thread.
I'd also like to see RKO get a second finisher. I remember a DDT that he did to RVD a while back when Orton won the IC title back when Evolution was around. He set RVD's legs up on the top turnbuckle and DDT pretty much at a 90 degree angle. That move won him the match and the title, but I havent seen him use it ever since then I don't think.
-Well HHH was the victim of that rope DDT Last nite...lol
-The Spear is being overused in the WWE .. The kings of that move will forever be Rhyno and Goldberg
-Cena Used to do the Death Valley Driver at first( I remember Rikishi being a victim of it..lol)
- Lashley should just do the F-5 he already has lesnar's entrance poses..
-Edge should go back to the downward spiral or the edgecution DDT
- I do agree that CM Punk also has to go back to the old finisher he had.. cause not everyone sells The GTS the way it should be sold
frylock
10-10-2007, 02:07 AM
Matt Hardy definitely could use one. Maybe a submission move, but they went that route with Khali. I just see Matt more of the type of guy who will make you tap out to put the match away.
MattJay177
10-10-2007, 05:05 PM
I think Carlito should start using some sort of submission move right after his backstabber...it's a pretty good move but not a great finisher
tap-out
10-10-2007, 06:13 PM
Finishers bring more credibility to wrestlers and complete their persona. With that said here are the ones i feel need a new finsher and the reasons why.
1. Kennedy- How often does he use one of the so called finishers he has? Thats not a good sign. People identify to the wrestlers by their finshers. If Kennedy could grab onto another finisher his progession would improve immensly. I suggest for his size and stature and ability something like: Double arm DDT, Impaler DDT, Downward Spiral, a form of the Perfect plex.
2. Cody Rhodes- WWE is trying hard to push him because they need him. Sorry Cody, the only guy who really got over and made a name for himself using the DDT was Jake the Snake. Time to scrap it and come up with something more you. Simply put, it is just an idea: Go off of the name your daddy made and expand upon what made him...the bionic elbow.....something like a HBK like elbow drop might work for his soze and quickness.
3. Lance Cade- Bug guy who has the heel look to become pretty succesful as a single wrestler. Gotta have a nice power move though to end all matches. My suggestion: Suplex into a big front slam or somethin like that (kind of a variation of the jackhammer)
4. Santino Marella- Great on the mic and could be a nice heel to have people feud with if he started winning matches cleanly as a heel by using some sort of a finisher. My suggestion: Any type fo a submission. (I just see him being better on the ground doing some sort of submission), or give him the Double arm DDT.
Again fans can relate to the wrestlers better when they have the total package and the above mentioned are missing the final piece.
AnthonyMango/NoFate007
10-10-2007, 07:22 PM
I agree that the finisher should be something you could pull out of nowhere for a shock ending, PLUS, it should be something that the fans can look forward to. Sweet Chin Music can pop out of thin air or he can "tune up the band". The Stone Cold Stunner could come out of a reversal or he could do the normal middle finger/kick to the gut/stunner combination. With that said...
1. Mr. Kennedy - Doesn't seem like he even has a finisher, really. He's great on the mic and he needs to get a move that the fans will identify with.
2. CM Punk - The GTS is really bad in my opinion. Too many finishers in the WWE right now involve the same set up (Kennedy's, Cena's, etc).
3. Carlito - The backstabber should be his set-up attack before his finisher, not the finisher itself.
4. Rey Mysterio - I'm sorry, but I think the 619 is awful. The setup for it is so awkward that it takes a giant suspension of disbelief. I'd much rather see him do a finisher that incorporated a top-rope maneuver.
5. Finlay - Does this guy even have a finisher? I don't know, because every match I've seen him win ends with him hitting the person with the shillelagh, lol.
6. Bobby Lashley - Seems a little stiff to me, like his work on the mic. Downplay the spear a little, too. Too many people trying to pass that off as a finisher.
7. Edge - Though he's the best at doing the spear, in my opinion, I've always felt that the big men like Batista are more suited for it. I'd like to see Edge use a more technically sound move...not such a brute strength one.
8. Umaga - I'd like to see his setup go this way: He gives someone the Samoan spike, knocking them to the ground. Then he drags their body to the turnbuckle and does that "Samoan Wrecking Ball". Since both are near a turnbuckle, finish them off with a Vader Bomb-like move. That way it delays the inevitable but it also gives you the reversal opportunity. If someone manages to get hit with the first two and you want the fans to think its all over, then surprise, the victim rolls out of the way of the VB and there is your turning point in the match. Naturally, he wouldn't name it the Vader Bomb, lol.
ZoomHBK
10-10-2007, 08:59 PM
Shocked.
Cody needs a new finisher, matter fact the boy doesn't even have one? O wait! He does, and it's a roll-up.
He needs to get a new finisher, and don't ride his last name to get him to the top.
Rey needs a new finisher also, it is bloody awful and the way it is done is extremely wicked stupid finisher ever, FFS.
Another I have to say is CM Punks, it is so gay and awful just like him. Send him back to ROH and threaten the fans to take the belt and win.
tap-out
10-10-2007, 09:09 PM
John Morrison- I like the gimmick, his whole theme has worn on me. As for the finisher he used the moonsault corkscrew and he has done something along the lines of a corkscrew neckbreaker. I woul like to see him have an established one that you relate to John Morrison. For some reason i would like to see him do the razors edge.
Elijah Burke- The whole running and hitting someone with your knees up just doesn't do it for me. I like the idea of having a fast paced maneuver for him, but i think the one he uses is just bad and pure laziness on behalf of the creative team or whoever gave it to him.
Khali- i have an idea for the creative team. Dn't even waist your time on coming up with something for him ust pack his backs and send far far away. What a piece of crap. Kind of hard to participate in a wrestling match when it is awkward for you to walk.
Soundwave47
10-12-2007, 09:32 PM
I'd say MVP,santino,cody rhodes and lashly
MVP:his overdrive(playmaker) is getting old and he doesn't even use it that much
Bobby lashly: He needs an original finisher
spear: used by edge,goldberg,batista,etc.
dominator:used by farooq
runing power slam(dominator):Britsh bulldog and batista(sometimes)
santino: no finisher
Cody Rhodes: no finisher either
Big Fella
10-13-2007, 12:45 AM
4. Santino Marella- Great on the mic and could be a nice heel to have people feud with if he started winning matches cleanly as a heel by using some sort of a finisher. My suggestion: Any type fo a submission. (I just see him being better on the ground doing some sort of submission), or give him the Double arm DDT.
I pretty much disagree, completely.
Santino dores need to establish something, but he doesn't need a devastating finisher to continue to get over. He is annoying, yet hilarious. I'd like to see him go on a run of wins by cheating, using the ropes, that kind of stuff.
NightWalker
10-13-2007, 06:53 AM
In my opinion Shelton Benjamin is one guy who definetly needs to come up with a new finisher.The announcers keep calling his an exploder suplex but it's not like any exploder i've ever seen.The last time i saw him use it it seemed more like a hip throw slam.We've all seen how agile and athletic Benjamin is and i think he should put that to good use by using a move from the top turnbuckle.That way he could use the mat to top turnbuckle leap that he does to set himself up for his finisher.Something like Val Venis's Money Shot would suit him...Just an idea.
I also agree with most people on these pages when they say Kennedy should get a new finisher.His Green Bay Plunge is visually good but it's bound to take a toll on his body if he executes it in all his matches.I think the Perfect-Plex would be a great move for him to use or maybe it's just that i think it's a good move and i'd like to see somebody bring it back as their finisher.
:headbanger: :headbanger: :headbanger:
Orton689
10-13-2007, 10:26 AM
I think the bobby lashleys best moves are gay because he got them from all different wrestlers he needs to make a move without copying someone.
CM Punk he needs a new move his move is from lots of different wrestles maby like the playmaker by MVP.
Tommy Dreamer his move is soooooooo old he needs a new one.
Santina Meralla He does not even have a damn move.
Cody Rhodes same with him!!
Randy Orton actrually i think his move is good for him it wouldn't be good for someone else
PapaSmurF
10-14-2007, 02:42 AM
I agree that the finisher should be something you could pull out of nowhere for a shock ending, PLUS, it should be something that the fans can look forward to. Sweet Chin Music can pop out of thin air or he can "tune up the band". The Stone Cold Stunner could come out of a reversal or he could do the normal middle finger/kick to the gut/stunner combination. With that said...
5. Finlay - Does this guy even have a finisher? I don't know, because every match I've seen him win ends with him hitting the person with the shillelagh, lol.
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he has one is called celtic cross...
cobb723
10-16-2007, 12:28 AM
cody rhodes needs A finisher
edge- spear just doesn't do it for me from him
id like to see kane with something new of his own to separate from the takers moves
again lashley and shelton
i too would like umaga with a five star
id kinda like to see triple have a new set up move besides the spinebuster
jback
10-16-2007, 12:50 AM
I think when Cena comes back that he needs a new finisher. The FU & STFU are both getting lame and don't look very affective. Maybe he could just modify the FU to become a more F5 type move.?
Sportsperson411
10-16-2007, 01:42 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing Lashley scooping someone up, acting as a powerslam, then spin around and then slam the opponent with force. Khali needs some more signature moves like a chop similar to Big Show along with the turnbuckle elbow, a running turnbuckle clothesline or smush similar to Mark Henry, a different headbutt, possibily the final cut, the hog lock Big Show uses, well just give Khali the Big Show's moves.
TripleHBK
10-16-2007, 11:01 PM
I really think Cody Rhodes will be great once he gets a great special move. The multiple roll-up attempts are startin to get veeerrrrry old. The cross body splash off the top turnbuckle would be a nice one, but along with a normal grapple move. Maybe some sort of submission or multiple strike combo for starts. Also Santino needs a finisher, and Shelton needs to use the T-Bone but another one, a stronger of high-flying one, as well.
pockets
10-17-2007, 02:35 AM
im sure many ppl already said the FU so ill think of something else...i say matt hardy should have another finisher in his arsenal, the more moves for him the better. i think hes done all he can with the twist of fate and that rock-bottom-type slam. and i think john morrison should GET a finisher.
cobain
10-17-2007, 02:42 AM
Randy Orton actrually i think his move is good for him it wouldn't be good for someone else
the RKO is pretty much just the Diamond Cutter, Diamond Dallas Page was very good at using it in his career, long before Randy Orton was a wrestler.
I think Carlito needs a new finisher. The Backcrack seems more like a setup move than a finisher, kind of like the Rock or Triple H using a spinebuster.
Even if he stole a move (the fameasser maybe) it would work for him.
RatedR_HBK11
10-17-2007, 02:47 AM
and i think john morrison should GET a finisher.
John Morrison HAS a finisher. It's actually pretty sweet looking.
Val VenOs could use one...the Money Shot is very old and played out. Umaga needs a new one too besides sticking his thumb in someone's throat.
awb25mn
10-17-2007, 04:34 AM
Kennedy needs a new one...he's gonna break his neck one of these days...id say a TKO like mark mero used to do
CM Punk too...go back to the Anaconda lock or whatever the hell it was called
great khali needs one too...hate that stupid head vice...Torture Rack would be great
MVP needs one too...that leg thing is just weak and horrible to watch...just give him the rock bottom or maybe the razors edge
Finley should just use his submission and lose the Celtic Cross
Candice Michelle needs one too...the spin kick aint cutting it...a quick ddt would be fine or maybe something like Christopher Daniels move...that might be asking to much though lol
And give Santino one too...even though i don't thing he will ever reach main event status...a good finishing move would be a step in the right direction
Cody needs one too and so does selton...but i have no clue what...im sure they can give them both something cool
Esteban Ochocinco
10-17-2007, 08:23 PM
MVP: The Playmaker is a sweet ass move, but it depends so much on the other guys ability of selling the maneuver. When MVP hits it on a smaller guy, it looks sweet, but when you have a giant sloth like Kane, it looks sloppy as shit and just bad.
CM Punk: The Go 2 Sleep is a sweet ass finisher as well, but not CM Punks version of it. If you've seen the real version of this finisher, you know what I mean. Punk is a good wrestler, but he still has a long way to go before he is great.
Umaga: The Samoan Spike, guh, why not just use some power move. The guy is ultra talented, and I'm sure he can use something besides a taped up thumb as a finisher.
RVDgurl
10-17-2007, 08:37 PM
Umaga: The Samoan Spike, guh, why not just use some power move. The guy is ultra talented, and I'm sure he can use something besides a taped up thumb as a finisher.
The Somoan Spike actually makes me laugh out loud each and every week. It is absolutely pathetic for someone who is main event status. He is a very athletic guy for someone his size. Surely they can come up with something that uses a bit more power and athleticism. What ever happened to the really cool finishing move (don't know what it's called) he used to do? (AJ has just informed me it's the Samoan Drop). That move was cool as shit. It was powerful and innovative.
jback
10-17-2007, 09:42 PM
I also think that Kenny Dykstra needs a new finishing move!(wait a minute wats his finishing move) my point exactly his finisher is so horrible that I cant remember what it is. Wait it maybe a gullotine leg drop? but anyways if he ever wants to become "a future hall of famer" he needs a new finisher. I think maybe some kind of torando impaler ddt or even a submission move like CM Punk's andaconda vice(that was pretty cool). I just think Kenny needs one that people will remember.
Y 2 Jake
10-18-2007, 02:09 AM
Umaga: The Samoan Spike, guh, why not just use some power move. The guy is ultra talented, and I'm sure he can use something besides a taped up thumb as a finisher.
What? It's a brilliant move. I'd shit myself if a taped thumb was coming at my throat. Especially if it was a fat ass Samoan's. The thumb's taped up so it win't buckle. I suggest you try it on a cat or baby and see the effect of it.
pettit
10-18-2007, 02:25 AM
Umaga: The Samoan Spike, guh, why not just use some power move. The guy is ultra talented, and I'm sure he can use something besides a taped up thumb as a finisher.
Yeh i agree, i think that he is very athletic, and should have a batter finish, i thing the frog splash.
What? It's a brilliant move. I'd shit myself if a taped thumb was coming at my throat. Especially if it was a fat ass Samoan's. The thumb's taped up so it win't buckle. I suggest you try it on a cat or baby and see the effect of it.
Y2 Jake, i think what he is trying 2 say is that his move is good, but he would be more capable of a better, more athletic finisher, but i agree, this move would be one hell of a scary thing if you were on the receiving end.
Mr. Kennedy needs a new finisher, the build up is way to slow, and once he gets on that top rope you just kno the ending of the match already, he is one hell of a wrestler tho.
TheOneBigWill
10-18-2007, 03:00 AM
What ever happened to the really cool finishing move (don't know what it's called) he used to do? (AJ has just informed me it's the Samoan Drop). That move was cool as shit. It was powerful and innovative.
I believe you're thinking of the spinning Rock-Bottom type move. Billy Gunn used it as well. If this is the one, its the one where he'll hold you sideways, then spin you around & drop you into a Rock-Bottom type ending.
Y2 Jake, i think what he is trying 2 say is that his move is good, but he would be more capable of a better, more athletic finisher, but i agree, this move would be one hell of a scary thing if you were on the receiving end.
Who needs athletic ability when you have shear power. It seems to work wonders with Khali, Mark Henry, Big Daddy V, & Funaki!
TheGreatMurphy
10-18-2007, 03:27 AM
The Great Khali although he's a big man would probably kill someone with the abdominal stretch as he's so shabby in the ring, see the Shawn Michaels match in June for reference, HBK made him look good with effort. Even giving Khali the Clothesline as a finisher would be better the Claw
TheOneBigWill
10-18-2007, 03:33 AM
The Great Khali although he's a big man would probably kill someone with the abdominal stretch as he's so shabby in the ring, see the Shawn Michaels match in June for reference, HBK made him look good with effort. Even giving Khali the Clothesline as a finisher would be better the Claw
Honestly, if you want to give Khali a finishing move that could look as if its absolutely deadly.. have him deliver a "Last Ride" powerbomb. Of course the man would need enough talent in his body to know how to deliver a powerbomb.. so thats out.
Imagine Khali pulling off moves you'd never expect him to do. Such as.. a frog splash off the top! Or even a 5 star off the top!! Better yet, if you have a great imagination.. imagine Khali performing a 619, now that is amazing! hahaha
king of kings icon
10-18-2007, 05:37 AM
Honestly, if you want to give Khali a finishing move that could look as if its absolutely deadly.. have him deliver a "Last Ride" powerbomb. Of course the man would need enough talent in his body to know how to deliver a powerbomb.. so thats out.
Imagine Khali pulling off moves you'd never expect him to do. Such as.. a frog splash off the top! Or even a 5 star off the top!! Better yet, if you have a great imagination.. imagine Khali performing a 619, now that is amazing! hahaha
HAHAHAHAHA KHALI WITH 619 OR (SORY BOUT CAPS MY KEYBOARD BREAKING GETTING NEW ONE) MABYE EVEN UM IMAGINE THE CROWDS REACTION IF THEY SAY HIM DOING OH I DONT KNOW UM THE PEDIGRE (I THINK THATS HOW U SPELL IT) OR LOL GET READY FOR THIS .................................................. ....................
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SWEET CHIN MUSIC / SUPER KICK / SHAWN MICHAELS FINISHER LOL IMAGINE THAT HIM WITH THE LEG UM DOING THE BEAT KICKING THE FLOOR BOOM BOOM BOOM THAN A KICK TO THE HEAD........ :blink: :blink: :blink:
OR IMAGINE HIM DOING THE ......... CRIPPLER CROSS FACE NO OFFENCE TO THE R.I.P BENIOT BUT IT WOULD BE FUNNY JUST IMAGINE THE CROWDS REACTION PRICELESS LOL :lol2:
samediff
10-18-2007, 06:11 AM
I'd like to see Kahli to the "I'm off back to india" finishing move!!! that would be brilliant! what he does is, gets a plan, sits on top of it, and flies off into the night....ahh....
I'd like to see MVP get a new move.....isn't the playmaker the same move Carlito used to do ages ago? the "Overdrive" ....or someone used to do it, coz it was Carlito's finisher on Smackdown Vs Raw 2006. lol.
I'd like to see more Submission Finishers now....get Dean "1001 Holds" Malenko to teach the development people to do some submissions....or of course wait for Chris "1004 holds" Jericho to come in and teach everyone ARMBAR!!!! hehe (I watched that last night on Youtube....sooo funny!)
daravenzzz
10-18-2007, 07:33 PM
I Think John Morrison needs a new move, he never uses his snapshot anymore and I think he needs a new cool high flying move such as a spinning Heel Kick, or like a new and improved snapshot,or somthing cool like that.
kenfuu
10-18-2007, 11:54 PM
With Tommy though he's an established guy who's used the DDT as his finisher for like 15 years, same thing with Raven, it would be like if HBK decided to change the Sweet Chin Music it's what he's known for. Now I'm not sure if it was his finisher but the DDT Cody Rhodes does looks so painful they should just make that hs finisher cause the DDT is a really impactful move but has been wrtered down over the years but I think Cody could make it work.
WhatCripplesTheLegend?
10-19-2007, 01:37 AM
Its too bad Tommy Dreamer got his finisher stolen by Rikishi or else he could remain doing the sitout tombstone esque move.
I would have to say that all wrestler cease using the super kick as a finisher. I like when a guy uses it as an out of nowhere leverage boost. But not as a finisher beyond HBK. Any Kick variation would work for me just not the super kick...I even enjoy Helms' quick kick off the rope to the face whilst opponent is down.
They should just rehire Mike Nova Simon Dean Bucci to come in a design finishers. The man is a genius. He got ripped off more than a convience store with his moves. The buff blockbuster, the downward spiral, the spin doctor, the celtic cross ala the kryptonite krunch, and even more that i'm not even bringing to the table. The man is a genius.
Orton needs a new finisher. I hate that they gave him the "RKO" sure he'd modified the Diamond Cutter but really, let DDP have his day in the sun. However the super RKO is pretty fuckin marvelous I think.
Petey Williams...just joking!
Road Dogg Jesse James - haha fuck what a character...I can't even believe he's an armstrong the way this guy wrestles he uses the pumphandle slam for god sakes.
Someone already touched on this point but I'd like to reitterate. Any move can suit any wreslter if it's perfectly suited...hence the finishing move in the first place. I would even go as far as to say that eons ago a finishing move was simply a move pattened by a performer as favourable not even necessarily the most devastating. So in retrospect for us to expect so grave new innovation every time at the bat is a little haughty I think. Kennedys flip fireman carry is sick don't even front like it doesn't entertain you. If it takes longer to do on a bigger guy, that's called anticipation brothers and sisters. Burchills flip rock bottom is pretty fuckin sick as well. To go on with my example, when Tomko first got his big push and they had a gimmick where his big boot was knocking people unconscious. That was a great angle and sold this move perfectly. Even retrospect to The Narcisist Lex Luger days when he "got in a motor cycle accident and got a steel forearm replacement" and his finisher was a running forearm subsequently. Plausible enough.
megaman
10-20-2007, 02:37 PM
kevin thorn and candice michelle what are they doin stealing finishing moves from nigel mcguiness and christian cage, they cant pull the moves off like they do, didnt they learn that when trevor murdoch attempted petey williams canadian destroyer in a match with matt hardy, candice is a weak womens wrestler so she should stick to a weak finishing move like that spinning wheel kick or whatever its called, you know the one she defeated melina with at vengeance to win the womens title and kevin thorn well he should stick to a ddt like cody rhodes cause its the only move thats suits them, they are both pure crap only raven, jake roberts and tommy dreamer in the old ecw could pull off a good ddt, gangrel actually had a good jumping ddt if i recall
EPN17
10-21-2007, 11:04 PM
Kennedy. He never does the plunge from the second rope anymore (probably because its a hard setup) and now all he does is that gay forward somoan drop. He really needs to come up with something new.
THe WHoLe FuCKiN SHoW
10-22-2007, 11:53 PM
how about wen chris jericho gets back?? he's got the lionsault but how about changin the walls of jericho back to the way it was in his wcw days. in the wwe they made it look like a boston crab n the boston crab is a rotten finisher.
bigshot316
10-24-2007, 12:09 PM
KENNEDY!! The top rope move thingy is an O.K move but the most succesful finishers are nearly always the ones that can be done BAM! quickly. The Stone Cold Stunner, Twist of Fate, Ravens DDT, The Rock Bottom, backstabber etc. or alternatively a cool submission move.
Also that overdrive move is so gay!! MVP needs a cool finisher, like a flatliner or a reverse DDT or something!!
Also I preferred HBK's Sweet Chin Music back in the day, where he just came out with it, not all this theatrical broadcasting the move crap!
mateoontherocks
10-24-2007, 02:29 PM
Umaga, no question. The Samoan spike makes me want to turn the channel. It's not even as powerful a blow as just a punch would be. I'd rather he did the stink face.
The spear needs to get out of the WWE all together. It's just a stupid tackle.
And I seriously hope to god I never see another STFU.
Hendo9
10-25-2007, 10:26 PM
MVP needs a new one as the Playmaker is just an overdrive
Kennedy rarely hits his top rope Green Bay Plunge, so id say give him a new one as the standing one doesnt look that great.
Id also get CM Punk using the Anaconda Vice more, as I always thought it was pretty good.
Oh, and if we've got to put up with Khali, at least give him a decent move, I cannot stand to see another "Vice Grip". It looks so pathetic!
credible
10-26-2007, 09:43 PM
they got rid of cm vice submission because of the benoit tradegy and it looked to much like the crossface he should bring back the pepsi plunge he was using the pedigree type move off the top ropes
Darsolo
10-26-2007, 10:28 PM
first off, umagas thumb to the throat has to go. then ill just spew out a few horrible ones, billy gunns famous fameasser, chuck poldumbo's, stinksky, test, any others that use that stupid pump handle slam, bobby lashleys dominator, jon cenas anything, i could go on for hours on the bad ones.. the best few i seen in a while would have to be teddy harts hart attack, jack evans 600million flip, joes muscle buster still gives me giggles, and of course the best finisher that we NEVER see anymore, petey williams canadian destroyer.
let me finish with this, does this really make sense to anyone???
Diamond Dallas Page has held every Heavyweight Title in the WCW.
dalemc2k7
10-27-2007, 09:43 AM
umaga should have the move where he catches them with something like a spinnin rock bottom but he always gets the 2 count he could use tht much beta than a samoan spike-mvp needs one and great khali needs more power in his double handed chokeslam -and maybe even lashley could do the double powerbomb like lesnar n y2j
TeenWolf0021
10-27-2007, 01:25 PM
MVP's leg neckbreaker sucks!
He is awesome and need a better finisher.
I like the fameasser tho, i think he could make it look cool.
The Whole (Van) DAMn Show
10-27-2007, 01:38 PM
MVP, Kennedy, and Khali can each use an upgrade in the near future
Cena's STFU isnt sellin it to me, and the FU is retarded because they have him hit it out of no where, it doesnt work with a move like that... when Cena comes back they gotta reinvent him into a halway decent wrestler at least
Rubberband Man
10-27-2007, 04:23 PM
I agree with everybody that has said CM Punk and that the way he does the GTS is week. Heck, the opponent usually actually lands on their feet first before he knees them. I wouldn't mind him doing something like James Gibson was doing a few months back, where he falls and puts his knees into the opponent's gut, maybe modifying it in some way to make it look a bit more 'main event-ish', if you know what I mean. To me, that looked alot more painful than Punk's GTS.
I wouldn't say that Shelton Benjamin needs to stop using the T-Bone, but I reckon he definately needs another finisher to go alongside that. The T-Bone works awesomely when Shelton is playing the underdog, like many have said he can suddenly come and hit it out of nowhere, and I definately think it works as a finisher because he tends to go straight fo the pin, while the opponent still doesn't know what's hit them. That's all good, but to me he needs something else to use when he's actully in control of the match, because if he's gonna become as big of a star as the IWC wants him to, he can't only have a finisher that he can hit when he's on the defense.
I also agree that if MVP and Kennedy are to become World Chapions they'll need new finishers that, as has been pointed out as a quality of a good finishing move, they can hit out of nowhere.
Also wouldn't mind Elijah Burke being hooked up with some sort of Superkick, DDT, or something like that. While his current finishers are good, it's not as if they can be hit out of nowhere. Of course, for the Elijah Express the opponent needs to be in the corner which after a while will just get predictable, and you can't see his other Stroke-like finisher really being hit out of nowhere - you have to hook his head, his arm, then hook his leg with your leg, by the time he's set up for it, the shock would have probably already passed through the opponent.
OutsiderDX
10-27-2007, 05:12 PM
Cena- the FU is so pathetically simple. so it basically fits someone who knows zero wrestling moves like cena.
Kennedy- The second rope rolling fireman carry doesn't have the surprise factor, and the senton has been seen so many times. Both are great in his arsenal.
Lashley- see Cena. Disgustingly easy.. with a whole lot of Lame.
Batista - wrestlers who use their own name and have to add "bomb" on the end need to find a new move and some originality. A sit down powerbomb, let me count how many times i saw that move on Monday Night Nitro / ECW
Gregory Helms needs to bring back the Vertebreaker
Chris Jericho - When he comes back, he needs to unpack the elevated Boston Crab... the Liontamer with the knee in the back. Looked more painful. Not as easy for opponents to escape. And didn't leave him as susceptible to attack.
Finisher i love- Superkick, RKO, and despite popular belief, i love the GTS... unique, recognizble, easy to sell.
I still believe that stars should have 1 submission finisher and 1 power finisher. It can add to the psychology of the match.
booyakah
10-28-2007, 08:45 AM
I actually think CM punks GTS is cool and Kennedy's move where he puts them on his shoulders.
What I think is stupid is Randy Ortons RKO, along with Matt Hardy's twist of fate although the twist of fate hardly ever works because its always reversed. It wouldn't even hurt a 5 year old and its to similar to DDP's diamond cutter and Austin's stunner. John Cena's FU is to simple aswell. Khali's vice grip is just stupid and annoying it was better when he did the double chock slam.
Uncle Phatso
10-28-2007, 04:19 PM
i think the people that need a big finisher right now would proly be the boogyman people might not say he's good but the boody slam its like shoot i dont even no what its like hes at like high cruzer weight lvl right get hs ass flyin! lol then john moroson ware the hell is this guys finisher did it just take a vacation ... yea john ill screw it im not comming in just kick his ass with your sissy gymnastics lol and mvp deffinatly needs a new finisher whats it called the play maker or somthin?
Los666
10-31-2007, 07:34 PM
MVP definitely needs a new finisher.
Bobby Lashley is gonna have to change his finisher, D.H. Smith has more of a right to use the running powerslam then he does, and does it better as well.
Whats Kenny Dykstra and Santino Marella's finishers again?
The guys with the best finishers are the ones who go on to become world champions!
E C Dub
10-31-2007, 07:44 PM
Santino needs one if he is going to get a push.. I'd like to see him feud with Jericho as well.. I don't think Santino even has a finisher to begin with
Kennedy needs one as well.. One he can pull off during a run in or something.. It's so key to a wrestlers future..
OutsiderDX
10-31-2007, 09:02 PM
An added note on finisher, is that its the ability of the opponent to sell. What position he ends up after its applied.
As an example- the stunner is perfect cause the opponent has the option of selling it thousans ways. They can bounce and fall on their back. Crumble to their knees, Flop around.
On the contrary, something like the FU- which the oppoent has no option, he lands on his back and waits to be pinned.
Superkick is another good example of a sweet finisher to sell.
Keeps this is mind when looking at who rocks the Finisher
tap-out
11-01-2007, 08:59 PM
first have to say i loved watching harry smith...i mean d.h. smith win with his pops running powerslam. I hope lashley was watching the correct way to pull it off.
the problem with this is that vince has continued to abolish moves and it limits the type of moves that can be used for finishers which in turn has brought us to this topic. How many guys can you give a ddt to, or swanton bomb to.
Carlito- Just like what i mentioned some pages back about elijah burke, this knee to the back thing looks more like a sudden shock to the opponent, not a final blow. This would be nice to use as his "favorite" like jeff using his whisper in the wind. I would like to see carlito use his back stabber and then hit em with some sort of a lionsault type move.....that would be cool!
Kennedy- i mentioned him b4 but thought of another because this guy really needs a new move. How about something like the test drive?
jobradovic21
11-01-2007, 10:16 PM
khali needs to go back to his chop and double handed chokeslam. his vice grip is ok, but he shouldnt do it every match or 5 times in one match
Father_Nelson
11-01-2007, 10:26 PM
First of all Khali is one of the worst wrestlers, but if he has to pick one of his three finishers it would have to be the double handed chokeslam. The other two are just exaggerations of his strength that are simplistic and can be used about 100 times a match.
SuperXero
11-01-2007, 10:33 PM
I'm gonna start off by saying Mr. Kennedy. If he wants to be a big star, he needs to come up with an iconic finisher. The Rock had the Rock Bottom, Stone Cold had the Stunner, Triple H has the pedigree. All Mr. Kennedy really has is a sloppier version of Jeff Hardy's swanton bomb, but then again, he rarely wins enough to use a finisher anyway :P
Vince11
11-01-2007, 10:40 PM
Kennedy has the green bay plunge. He hasn't used a swanton in quite some time.
I don't like MVP's move. Make it a Big Boot or something.
lesnar_power
11-01-2007, 10:55 PM
He sometimes does the Green Bay Plunge, but while standing up. I think that's it. Also I think he does a DDT Finisher.
Besides Kennedy I think everyone has a good finisher nowadays...
ArmyBratGurl500
11-02-2007, 01:22 AM
Speaking of the guys improving much more of their finishers after the match, I think it would be a good idea if the divas too should have some good finishers or improve their finishing move a little to finish off their opponents after the match.
baileyboy
11-02-2007, 08:02 AM
Umaga could do with a better finisher, some kinda submission i reckon!
Agree with the kennedy and carlito suggestions
I wish kane would get a different one to! chokeslam is good but he could get better!:xmen:
Wrestlefest07
11-09-2007, 07:04 PM
I would like to see Bobby Lashley return as a heel. and use Goldberg's finisher "The Jackhammer." I think this would reestablish his character and give him an edge not to mention heat. Publicity would skyrocket for him as THAT guy who stole Goldberg's thunder. That would be tight!
JadeShocker
11-09-2007, 08:11 PM
Yeah.. That's exactly what we need.. A black Goldberg... Holy christ.. Do you listen to yourself speak? Cena needs to stop that half-assed Death Valley Driver, and steal Bob Holly's Falcon Arrow.. Meanwhile... Holly needs to be fired.
Jacob H. (SURGE Soda Fan)
11-09-2007, 08:50 PM
Carlito and Kennedy are givens and have been stated before.
I have a lot of problems....maybe I'm a perfectionest....
wtf is up with Morrison...his finisher goes back and forth from one to another, that one off the top rope looked like hell...and his corkscrew neckbreaker is stupid in my opinion...i mean it is a neckbreaker....but he flips first?
Even though it risks injury, HHH needs to go back to his old Pedigree...or at least he could use it at the most oportune times.
When Tommy Dreamer wins, which is grantedly almost never, he always uses his DDT...I know his DDT is supposed to be more powerful than anyones, but come on....I think he should go back to the Dreamer Driver.
C.M. Punks GTS is alright....personally I liked the Andaconda Vice better, and a lot of the wrestlers dont sell the GTS very well...and GTS is a crap-hole of a name...i cant think of a catchier one....but aint that what WWE Crative is for? And when they call it the Go To Sleep instead of by its initials it even sounds worse.
I'm really gettin tired of people puttin their hands up on HBK's Sweet Chin Music...it takes the umph that it once had out of it....it has been great though over the span of him gettin Orton, cause Orton blocks his chin and has got it in the temple like 3 times streight now.ouch,
For some reason, I've always hated the RKO....maybe its because Randy botches it a lot...but truethfully, I've always seen the RKO as a Stunner rip-off....I mean its a Stunner, with no kick...I think he should use the DDT to Punt as his finisher.
hmsrenown
11-09-2007, 09:45 PM
Dreamer needs to use more Spicolli Driver, but I'm fine with his DDT, cause it's really a trademark DDT by now. (and he better win more matches, please)
And Morrison really don't have a set finisher, and it's the league of split-leg cockscrew moonsault, cockscrew neckbreaker, etc., he's athletic, great promise ahead, better get a finisher now than never.
Personally, I would like to see a submission finisher, like a figure four necklock or something like it. (haven't checked if that's legal or not though)
Inferno30
11-09-2007, 10:21 PM
I think the Spear is a good set up move, but not a finisher. Especially when too many guys use it. Rhyno, Goldberg, Batista, Edge, Lashley I mean come on.
I like Morrisons corkscrew neckbreaker, and I really like his corkscrew moonsault. They play to his strengths and make him unique. I'd much rather see him do those moves that not many people can pull off, instead of someone using a move like a DDT or a spear that any jobber can pull off
Marquis
11-09-2007, 11:00 PM
For some reason, I've always hated the RKO....maybe its because Randy botches it a lot...but truethfully, I've always seen the RKO as a Stunner rip-off....I mean its a Stunner, with no kick...I think he should use the DDT to Punt as his finisher.
The RKO known as the cutter came first then the stunner so its no rip off.
But i think kennedy needs a new finisher the greenbay plunge is fine but i think it takes to long to actually perform it. And by the time he lands it you feel like anybody could have probably gotten out of it by then.
The Pretender
11-10-2007, 12:56 AM
MVP... I don't think anyone takes him seriously with that move.
Kurt Angle... ok the ankle lock can stay but the Angle Slam is horrible.
Kennedy... The Green Bay Plunge just doesn't cut it I guess.
Save_Us_Y2J
11-10-2007, 03:17 PM
MVP - The Playmaker is more of a normal move and would not finish any match! I think he should ditch it altogether and do a fameasser that would suit him.
John Cena - I admire the fact that WWE gave him the stfu because I think it's pretty cool and would make someone tap, but the FU is an inverted firemans carry. It can be used as a momentum move, but won't finish the match. I think he should go to teh STFU primarily.
Bobby Lashley - Bobby Lashley is being used as the African - American version of Goldberg and i dont like it. Goldberg did the running powerslam for momentum and would hit a spear afterwards and then a jackhammer. Bobby Lashleys powerslam finishes people? I dont think so. He should stick to the dominator it suited him well.
The Great Khali - The vice grip sucks. He should go back to the double handed chokeslam it suited him very well.
Shelton Benjamen - He is the most athletic wrestler in the WWE today. I think he should use the Canadian Destroyer and then run to the top ropes and hit a moonsault, that would be pretty dam sick.
Cody Rhodes - Everyone knoes that just like Orton did, Rhodes will main even someday and cannot win the title with a spike DDT. I think cody is capable of doing alot. When orton came he won matches with a crossbody and the na rollup, but when he went to evolution picked up the RKO. Rhodes needs to make sumthing famous like maybe he can dodge a move and hit a quick kick to the midsection and then a spike piledriver out of nowhere with like the person poping up.
Santino Marella - for those of you who are saying, he doesnt even have a finsher, your wrong. Santino finishes all matches he wins with a rollup pulling the tights. I dont even think he sho0uld be a wrestler but if he was to have a new finisher it would be a brainbuster.
Snitzky - Pump handle slam? i dont think so, its a normal move used by many ppl in the attitude era, stizky should do a sitout chokebomb with alot of impact, that would be good for em.
CM Punk - I kind of like the GTS, but wwe needs more submission and the anaconda vide was great i loved it.
rkopaton
11-10-2007, 07:00 PM
KENNDY definately, since the green bay plunge he has had nothing and it isn't helping im at all. Also I would mind Big Daddy V to stop using the elbow, only the rock can do that
RAW Is Jericho
11-10-2007, 07:18 PM
John Cena - He should have a finisher better than the FU, its pretty much a fireman carry.
The great Khali - His two handed chokeslam was actually a pretty good finisher for him but the vice grip just sucks.
Santino Marella - Does he even have a finisher?
I know theres more but that's all i can think of right now.
Screen
11-10-2007, 08:43 PM
This is a great topic and surely brought a lot of discussion. Ok so now; I think first of all, John Morrison has the best finishers right now. His place right now in ECW is pretty good, but he needs to get better competition. The CM Punk Vs Morrison is getting boring now, we need some more ECW stars. On topic now.
Great Khali should just stick with this two handed chokeslam, because the Vice Grip makes it look like crap. And also, if he can just wrap his hands around people's head, why can't he just do it right at the start?
Shelton Benjamin is probably the most athletic superstar in this buisness, and he can do some pretty damn amazing things. Stop it with the T-Bone, to me, it's just another way of doing a scoop slam. Get him to do more moonsaults or something.
Agrex
11-10-2007, 08:58 PM
Kane needs a new finisher. Undertaker uses the chokeslam halfway through a match and rarely finishes a match with it. Which makes it look weak, as Kane uses it as a finisher. Not only that, but he's been using that move for a long time now, he should freshen things up. He could even use a simple move like a half nelson driver, but already it's fresher.
Big Beck-ah Roethlisberger
11-11-2007, 12:11 AM
MVP - The Playmaker is more of a normal move and would not finish any match! I think he should ditch it altogether and do a fameasser that would suit him.
I believe most people underestimate the Playmaker, the move does look painful but MVP can not make that move work by himself. It is up for him to execute it, and the opponent to help follow through to make it look like it is painful. His one against Matt Hardy at their last PPV match was god awful, but that's because Matt Didnt help the cause either, and other times he makes that move look painful. I believe the one he did too either Deuce or Domino looked devastating, but MVP can't pull that move off w/o the opponents help. So i believe it is a good move for him.
John Cena - I admire the fact that WWE gave him the stfu because I think it's pretty cool and would make someone tap, but the FU is an inverted firemans carry. It can be used as a momentum move, but won't finish the match. I think he should go to teh STFU primarily.
Most wrestlers aren't basically known for there finishing move, some of the best wrestlers had some of the worst finishers ever. I being a Rock Mark believed the people's elbow was terrible, but he was able to do the move and make it look like it hurt. One's wrong with the move anyways? It's a standing modified version of a fireman's carry. Besides, wasnt the original firemans carry done on the knees?
Cody Rhodes - Everyone knoes that just like Orton did, Rhodes will main even someday and cannot win the title with a spike DDT. I think cody is capable of doing alot. When orton came he won matches with a crossbody and the na rollup, but when he went to evolution picked up the RKO. Rhodes needs to make sumthing famous like maybe he can dodge a move and hit a quick kick to the midsection and then a spike piledriver out of nowhere with like the person poping up.
Meh, Cody's spike DDT is a good finisher, he does it with some force and it really looks painful, some of the best wrestlers used a DDT as a special maneuver, such as Jake the Snake, and he turned out alright.
Now to contribute to the thread a little more, i believe Snitsky needs a new finisher, he is such a large man, and uses a pump handle slam. If he ever expects to get over, he is gonna need something better than that. I would say maybe like a running powerbomb or something in that range. The pump handle slam is such a bad move for a guy of his height and strength, it just makes him look weak and so non athletic.
shalliin
11-11-2007, 08:41 PM
I think that Shelton Benjamin needs a new finisher. He's got a great set of moves and is a phenominal wrestler but he doesn't have that main event like finisher. The T-bone suplex doesn't seem like that great of a submission to me and i think that he's capable of so much more.
others that need new finishers are CM Punk, b/c his GTS finisher doesn't seem all that great and i took a liking to the anaconda vice finisher. it was kool do'nt know why they gave him a different one.
Lashley needs a new finisher.no one does a spear like goldberg. and the running powerslam doesn't really suit him either.
and that's all i can think of right now.
The Tbone isn't a submission move. And Lashley should do something like the jackhammer as teh spear is over used and the powerslam should bo to Davey boy's son who's in the WWE now.
shadowjones
11-11-2007, 10:30 PM
Now the finishers that need to go are MVP's Playmaker hello can you get any stupider than that, Khali's Vice Grip ok you got your point you can squeeze somebody's head like a grape yippee do da day, now to anyone who thinks that a DDT is a good finisher you guys got something physilogicly wrong with you, now the cool finishers Pedigree, GTS (one of the most painful looking moves ever) candian destroyer, sweet chin music, Spear (from Edge) F-5t hose are the cool finishers :headbanger:
tap-out
11-12-2007, 05:37 PM
I don't mind the playmaker as a finisher i just don't like moves that you have to set up and take time. I like having the unpredictability of when the finsher can hit you, ie sweet chin music.
With Santino getting more and more of a positive reaction from the WWE upper management, they really need to start thinking about giving this guy some ring work with some nice maneuvers....and a cool finisher. The problem is that the WWE has banned so many moves it makes it hard and really lustlacker. That is the one thing i like about TNA, there matches. They have non stop moves being performed instead of continuos amounts of slaps and kicks.
If the WWE can come up with something catchy for Santino, i think this cat is really on a FASTER road up.
Can somebdy please be given the falcon arrow. It is really quite simple but still something different.
jamesjd66
11-13-2007, 09:35 AM
Kane needs a new finisher. Undertaker uses the chokeslam halfway through a match and rarely finishes a match with it. Which makes it look weak, as Kane uses it as a finisher. Not only that, but he's been using that move for a long time now, he should freshen things up. He could even use a simple move like a half nelson driver, but already it's fresher.
Well then there's the arguement who's got the best chokeslam which i think already has a poll in here. I agree though and they tried giving Kane the (Dont know what to call it) Lye Down powerBomb(?). He had it through the RVD shit and most of the Katie Vick story I think.
Santino needs a finisher badly. I'm planning on making a poll (once I figure out how) with a few finishing moves that aren't being currently used in the WWE to see what you think. (DVD anyone?) Hopefully I get a chance to today
TRaGiC
11-13-2007, 10:16 PM
I'd like to see MVP do his T.T.B. - Take (it to) The Bank / Tribute To Benoit (Arm trap crossface) in his indies, i think that would be awesome.
As for Santino, I think a variation of Angel's Wings (Daniel's Finisher) would fit nice to him, or the X-factor (lolz) or a flapjack-like move then into cutter (stunner) or maybe Santino can use Matt Striker's inverted overdrive (Golden Rule/Straight A's)
jakebreaker
11-16-2007, 03:02 AM
I think as far as finishers in general go, the Sleeper could use a modern-day makeover. Maybe have it be used by a light-heavyweight (I'm thinkin' Jamie Noble, personally) against a heavyweight wrestler.
Instead of doing the "slowly-going-down-ref-checks-1-2-hwwwAAAAHH!!!" comeback, the aggressor just kicks the crook of the victim's knee, forcing him to drop to one knee. The aggressor wraps his leg around the victim's waist, drops to the side, and scissors him up around the midsection.
The victim struggles for a bit, then goes limp like a dead fish. The ref stops the match, awarding the victory to the aggressor.
This might be a good finish for a newbie in ECW. Just starts sleeperholding random people. Referees, wrestlers, divas, announcers.
Which, of course, could lead to a bitchin' ECW newbie vs. Tazz feud. Tazmission vs. Sleeper. Awesome.
R-Weezy
11-18-2007, 04:46 PM
People are saying CM Punk needs to lose the G.T.S., I personally think he should stick with it. It's a move that gets him highly over with the crowd. Yeah, KENTA may be the innovator of the move, but when KENTA does the move, it looks horrible, mainly because his opponents oversell that move so much. Punk's opponents sell it perfectly. They don't go and flip over 2 times, they sell it like it should be sold. The Anaconda Vise was a great finisher as well, as it's different than other submission holds that WWE fans have seen, it's no Boston Crab variation, like the Walls of Jericho or Sharpshooter, it's a original move, that I believe no North American wrestler has used as a finisher. Another good thing about the Vise is that it can come out of nowhere, so it's a fast finisher to perform, so it's easy to pick up a win. Also, to everybody saying CM Punk was told to use that move, he wasn't. He chose to use that move, as a tribute to KENTA.
Also, MVP's Playmaker is a good finisher, MVP performs it very well, and he does make it look painful. If he is to change his finisher, he should use that Player's Boot, it's a very nice move, and the impact on the move is very brutal.
Now, for a superstar that needs to get a brand new finisher, it has got to be Bobby Lashley. Get rid of the Running Front Powerslam, you are not frickin' Davey Boy Smith. Get rid of the Spear as well, the Spear is used by too many wrestlers these days. Edge does it best, so leave it to Edge. Lashley should get a more powerful finisher. In my opinion, he should use the Dominator again, because he does that well, and makes the impact brutal. Or he should use a TKO or the F-5. Both have strong impacts, and inflict tons of damage. They both suit him as a powerhouse styled wrestler, and he can scoop his opponents up into the Fireman's Carry for the setup's out of nowhere.
A final superstar who needs a all brand new finisher is Rey Mysterio. The Tiger Feint Kick that he calls the 619 is just a horrible move, it's extremely weak looking, and takes a big setup to do. He even has to add a Springboard Leg Drop or Splash to add extra damage to even pin his opponent successfully. Rey should revert to using his classic Hurricanrana from his ECW and WCW days. He pulled them off fantastically. If not the Hurricanrana, he should use a Moonsault, or Moonsault Leg Drop. It would suit him well for his size, and athletic ability. He can easily perform them, and they would be more over with the crowd than a weak looking Feint Kick.
A-Train
11-22-2007, 12:58 AM
i just finished watching ECW and jesse and festus finisher is so weak. its a friggin flying forearm and thats supposed to knock someone out for the 3 count. also lashley definitely needs a new finisher, maybe sum sort of powerbomb or even the F5. mvp needs a new one too, maybe the impaler ddt or sumthin. btw this threads the bomb.
tbglover
11-22-2007, 01:13 AM
MVP definitely needs a new finisher. The playmaker is weak and the most effective finishers for heels are finishers that can come suddenly such as the RKO. A move that something as small as a distraction from another wrestler can set up.
hmsrenown
11-22-2007, 08:26 AM
Well then there's the arguement who's got the best chokeslam which i think already has a poll in here. I agree though and they tried giving Kane the (Dont know what to call it) Lye Down powerBomb(?). He had it through the RVD shit and most of the Katie Vick story I think.
Santino needs a finisher badly. I'm planning on making a poll (once I figure out how) with a few finishing moves that aren't being currently used in the WWE to see what you think. (DVD anyone?) Hopefully I get a chance to today
As far as DVD goes, I guess you do remember Dreamer Driver, but he doesn't use it anymore, or so they wrote.
I really wish to see more submission finishers to go around, and sometimes, it doesn't matter if the finisher is weak (people's elbow? Hogan's legdrop?), it's how they use them.
nailinthecoffin
11-22-2007, 05:23 PM
ide like to see more puro strike style finishers, like fair enough the sweet chin music blah blah blah but that just doesnt seem to cut it for me anymore, like i see it and just think superkick, when i see micheals do it i want to feel like he could knock someones head clean off
i love gregory helms shining wizard variation (even though hes out on injury :icon_sad: ) and i think that martial arts back kick jimmy wang yang throws about looks impressive as hell when he hits it right,
like the elijah express, admitedly it is alot like the busaiku knee but i can live with it, is an awesome move, especially the way its set up with burke pulling down the knee pads to make it look like he will kill them when he knees them in the back of the head
if anyone needs a new finisher to get them on track though its the miz, i mean fair enough everyones saying how shit he is and what not but i think if they repackaged his move set he could play a great heel, i mean hes great at getting heat off the fans, he just desperatley needs a way to draw out the big pop with a new finisher
cody rhodes- i feel he needs to lose the frickin ddt. its not a finisher anymore. it was 10 years ago but not now. I feel he should use like a moonsault or maybe the angels wings
John cena- he should use a throw back from the top rope. That would be sick!
Charlie Haas- i think he should keep his current submision but also use a tiger suplex pin. That is always painful looking!
DX_Guy
11-25-2007, 02:05 AM
quick finishers are the best, sweet chin music, RKO, FU, Pedigree, Twist O f Fate. Play maker your opponent has to be completely destroyed to d it, i mean you cant jsut pull someone under your leg and it doesnt even hurt anyway
jback
11-25-2007, 02:23 AM
I think Snitsky needs to be released.......but if he doesnt get fired than at least give him a different finisher. I really dislike the pump handle slam and to me its just a powerslam performed slightly different. As for a new finsiher maybe a generic big boot or a death valley driver??? I really see no point though since Snitsky sux ass, but it may help him???
FireAtWill
11-28-2007, 12:43 AM
I think personally, MVP needs to get a new finisher, like a variation of the diamond cutter like DDP used back in the day. CM Punk needs a new finisher as well. He should use a triangle choke like The Undertaker used on severel occasions. Cena should really stop using the STFU, there's not really been a call for it since he made kurt angle tap out in their submission match. Also Mr. Kennedy, he needs to get a different finisher, the green bay plunge? come on. That shouldn't even be considered as a finisher. He is a tall person, he needs to use something that is more suited for his height, not something that is considered as a cruiserweight finisher...Like a variation of a powerbomb or a DDT.
switch0723
11-28-2007, 03:53 PM
personally, i think kennedy needs a new 1 if he is going to get a push, i think a good one for him would be a powerbomb variation. Where he lifts his opponents into a powerbomb but instead of stopping at top and coming back down, just keep going so kennedy lands on his back and faceplants opponent with force face first, seems perfect move for kennedy cocky character
hugrad
12-11-2007, 01:22 AM
Santino Marella , shelton Benjamin, Lance Cade (by himself), Kane need new finishers. Kane I mention because any 300 pounder who held a world title can use a choke slam and finish someone. Kane needs something else to add to the choke slam and vice cersa. LAnce Cade is going to be a WWE Champ someday if marketed right and he needs to take lessons from JBL's career. Santino,just do a small package roll up and grab the ropes.
hardmick33
12-12-2007, 10:57 AM
Am I the only one who really likes Shelton Benjamin's new finisher? Kinda like a running reverse STO? I think it's original and the man, as he does with every move he performs, pulls it off very nicely. Just hope they come up with a cool name for it.
Santino needs a finisher, but first they need to have him stop losing every match he's in. He's a great heel and should be used as a mouthpiece for someone else who can't quite get the mic thing down.
My vote for who needs it most would be either MVP (Playmaker sucks), Lance Cade (what was his? an elbow drop?) and Cody Rhodes (I believe a small package is his now). All are promising, but need some help and a finisher will definitely help.
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